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[News] Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP BugANN.lu
Posted on 20-Feb-2001 10:08 GMT by Christian Kemp28 comments
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Sinan Gurkan quotes a Usenet posting from Jim Drew: "The Blizzard support library has some sort of memory mapping (from what we can tell) problem. H&P does not test using A1200 systems at all. H&P does not even have an A1200 setup with a Blizzard (strange - since the Blizzard for the A1200 was the most sold version)." Unfortunately, I could not find the posting via the URL provided. Here's another thread though with related information. "The Blizzard support library has some sort of memory mapping (from what we can tell) problem. H&P does not test using A1200 systems at all. H&P does not even have an A1200 setup with a Blizzard (strange - since the Blizzard for the A1200 was the most sold version).

iFUSION works flawlessly on any other PPC card setup. We don't have the source code to the Blizzard hardware library (or any part of the WarpOS), so we can not figure out exactly what the problem is. We would like to move on and finish the PPC version of PCx. We have been at a stand still for nearly a month.

The question now is: do we go ahead and release the product to Blittersoft for shipping, or do we wait for a fix for this problem? We do not want to have to ship out secondary CD-ROMs because a problem with the WarpOS (not our fault), so we are stuck - and we would like your opinion (publically here, please don't email us directly).

Thanks for your continued support, and I appologize for the delay... "

Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 1 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Luca Ricossa on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
I pre-ordered and pre-payed iFusion to Blittersoft. I have a CyberstormPPC. It
should work, shouldn't it ? Thenl PLEASE, release at least a CybPPC version!
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 2 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by SimplePPC on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Luca Ricossa):
I pre-ordered it aswell, and i have a BlizzardPPC. Releasing one before the other
isn't very nice IMHO. Weird that all other software works on BOTH PPC cards, and thos one doesn't.
There is however ONE DIFFERENCE and that's the ppc.library that is loaded on startup
on a BPPC.
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 3 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Gents,
Thank you for your posting, I have an A1200 T PPC (runing the Phase 5 Cards) system, as do most
of the users in the usergroup I attend.
Most of us are chomping at the bit for IFusion and PCX PPC - We want it now!
Please fix it asap, as the majority of sales you have will be to A1200 Phase5
card owners.
While I am at it, I would personally like to state that I am sick and tired of
your constant running battle with H&P.
Can't you guys behave in a grown up, professional way?
Please sort out your problems and deliver a product that is well and
truly wanted by the Amiga Community and stop the petty bickering, we want the
product and we want it now. Not excuses.
(Okay, i'm off my soap box)
Regards
Mikey C
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 4 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gurkan on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
I think Microcode Solutions should release iFusionPPC at its current state...
At least BlizzardPPC users can debug/beta-test the product while Microcode and H&P is trying to fix the problem...Also with this, it is possible to track bugs on different BlizzardPPC + A1200 setups...
What do you think ?
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 5 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (SimplePPC):
It's not the only software with problems on BPPC, MorphOS had problems too, due to a hardware bug, Quake dies randomly on my BPPC, while it works fine on CSPPCs, and then the "multitask-bug" a lot of persons have been experiencing, which also only happens on the BPPC.
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 6 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Did they try running it under the new MorphOS WOS emulator? :)
We live in interesting times... :)
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 7 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by dennis on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
speakingh as an a1200/ppc user
please release the version thats finished - at least those users who it works for can try it out and tell us how good it is - plus they might find bugs that would otherwise be found later.
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 8 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Kent Seaton on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mark Olsen):
> then the "multitask-bug" a lot of persons have been experiencing, which also
> only happens on the BPPC.
Not so. I can reporoduce the "multitask-bug" whenever I want on any system with a PPC regardless of it being CS or B. I'm not sure if it has to do with hardware or software, but I can guarantee that I can get Warp or PowerUP to crash taking the whole system with it in a matter of 30 seconds after a full and clean boot. Knowing how to avoid that is another situation all together. Keeping on topic though, it would be in thier best interest to release a product that's known to work on the csppc and continue testing for the bppc. Doing this will bring extra income that they did not previously have and can continue testing. Also, knowing that the base is being done so that they can have a full emulator on other platforms other than Amiga, it will help iron out any problems that they might not have seen or overlooked. Granted the extra cost for licensing of the roms, os disks, or bios images would not be all that cost effective at first however just a little funding would help a long way for the team at microcode. I'll say release it for the CSPPC and continue to test and develop for the BPPC.
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 9 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Philippe Torrelli on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Johan Rönnblom):
As Ifusion relies on mmu tweaks, it won't work on the morphos' warpemu, according to warpemu release notes.
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 10 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Franklin Cheney on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Immediately start shipping to CyberstormPPC users. You do
like money, don't you? Then buy the ( ) {you fill in
the blank} at h-und-p a blizzard to test, and feel free to
chronicle their actions or lack therof, on all Amiga forums.
...hope you sell thousands and thousands!
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 11 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Doesn't make much difference to me...the delay in the release looks like it will render the product useless by the time I get it...
I have already sold my BVision in favour of a Mediator w/Voodoo3. Will iFusion run on P96? According to Blittersoft, the answer is yes, according to Microcode, the answer is no. That was bad enough. Now it seems that by the time they make it run on BlizzardPPC, I will have a Shark or AmigaONE instead. Wonderful. I'm feeling rather stupid for paying up front now...
Kay :-(
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 12 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 19-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
I thinkd it's very strange that iFusion won't run with P96 as it runs nearly all Cybergrf software, but don't be afraid...Like the 68k MAC emu's we'll see a P96 dusplay driver soon....
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 13 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 20-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Hi!
Well, I never found a WarpUP bug, but due to my experience with H&P concerning
some bugs in the StormC 3 compiler (these bugs are no longer in the StormC 4
compiler, BTW :) ) H&P reacts quite fast on bug reports. If this has not been
done already, I recommend to report details on the problems appearing (as far
as possible) to the H&P people, so that iFusion can be released as soon
as possible and nothing stands in the way there anymore :).
Personally I would advice to release the version for CyberstormPPC
*now*. If it is really a bug in the warpHW.library of the A1200 nothing needs
to be changed in the iFusion code anyways.
And if it is a bug in iFusion a small update which could fit on a
disk (and also be published on Aminet) could be done once it is fixed.
My opinion at least...
Steffen
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 14 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 20-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Franklin Cheney):
: Immediately start shipping to CyberstormPPC users. You do like money, don't you?
:
well, they have ALREADY taken the money of those that have preordered, haven`t they ?
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 15 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 20-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
yeah they have ..
Steffen hausser: Totally agree! release it now, and a warpOS fix could be made later on..(everyone earns on this)..
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 16 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Well apparently it's not a bug in WarpOS afterall, but a error in the BlizzardPPC. MorphOS is said to have the same problems on Blizzards connected to anything but revision 1D mainboards.
Maybe H&P and Ralph Schmidt could work together to track down this timing bug and make a workaround :)
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 17 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Chris on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amifan):
> Maybe H&P and Ralph Schmidt could work together to track down this timing bug and make a workaround :)
Yes, and maybe pigs will fly, hell freeze over and my next pay rise be over inflation (I work in a
British university, need I say more?). All of them are more likely than H&P and RS working together ;))
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 18 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by phil on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
I'm asked since three month to have a refund on these vaporware product...
I send a priority letter to microcode solution and a ton of e-mail.
I send mail to blittersoft (only one answeer by mister Lesurf who told me,
just ask to.... MicroCode Solution).
So what, they don't produce anything in fact, just bad news. they don't
respect her words, no refund.
Who is these company. That's the first time i'm preorder, this the last time
too. Microcode Solution are just lyer.
Phil (i'm not happy :)))
nb: For the price it is possible now to find a real MAC, so the offers is not
interresting...
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 19 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by B. van der Meer on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (phil):
In reply to previous message:
>nb: For the price it is possible now to find a real MAC, so the offers is not
>interresting...
Here in the Netherlands prices of Mac's with 604e processors (or even 603, 601)
are a lot more expansive then FusionPPC is. The prepaid amount in Guilders was 325,-
so about 140 Dollars - that is mostly the price of a 680x0 Mac with no are small
harddrive.
Regards,
BM
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 20 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amifan):
I tested MorphOS on some mobos with my blizppc rev2.1 noscsi and the same setup.
It worked on my old 2b motherboard (now fried) and on an 1d.4 and it doesn't work
on my new 1d.1:(((
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 21 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by phil on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (phil):
It is possible to find something here (belgium). Honesthly it is a litlle
bit more expansive than ifusion but you have something REAL in your hand.
You can sell it after if you want, ifusion not, coz it is a software
and is not ... (more than one year late).
phil
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 22 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by John Millington on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
If you're convinced that your code is correct, and if it really does work
on the other PPC systems, then ship it.
The only disadvantage that I can see is if someone, who didn't already
pre-order, buys the product, not realizing that it won't work with their
setup yet. IMHO, this will be a very small number of people, as most people
who are interested in the product, either pre-ordered, or else keep themselves
fairly well informed, and research Amiga products before they buy. It's not
like iFusion is going to be sitting on a retail shelf somewhere, where it
snags an unsuspecting impulse buyer.
If you release the product (especially to those for paid for it a year and
a half ago), and then there are complaints from the A1200 users, it'll put
more pressure on H&P to release a fix, since they'll be getting complaints
from lots of end users, instead of just you. Yes, you will get some flak
too, but you're probably quite used to it by now. ;-)
Ship it.
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 23 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amifan):
>Well apparently it's not a bug in WarpOS afterall, but a error in the >BlizzardPPC. MorphOS is said to have the same problems on Blizzards connected >to anything but revision 1D mainboards.
Hey, I have a 1D motherboard. I feel lucky now allthough I have the diskdrive problem that the 1D4 motherboard has.
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 24 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 21-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Remco Komduur):
Hehe I've had a littl problem with my diskdrive too on my 2B mainboard.
Elbox shipped their MrOochek PC mouseadapter on a HD. It gave me lot's of read errors.....
But then I remembered that Escom used altered PC floppy drives, so the drive recognized the disk as a HD.....
Ahem....a littl tape did the job :)
I know I know...a totally off-topic....:)
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 25 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 22-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
There is a bug in the second batch of blizzppc rev0 which cause some weird crash.
There are some bogus memory adresses too, never try to write them with the ppc or you will have some problems...
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 26 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by rvo on 26-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
Yeah you know what? I dont want IFusion no more.. I'll get myself the real thing this is taking way too long! When the first ppc boards came out.. Mac Emulation was one of the main reasons I bought one. So I soon pre-ordered iFusion.. After 2 years (or even longer?) of waiting, G4 Macs rule the world and there's no way my 603e can beat that performance.
Sorry Microcode but you f*cked it up big time!
Now lets see if they still got my money.. (probably not)
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 27 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 27-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
They can simply sell the CD, and then send out .DMS patch disks, or LHA/LZX patched files. Shipping now beats shipping never.
Jim Drew on iFusionPPC and BlizzardPPC WarpUP Bug : Comment 28 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by phil on 27-Feb-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (rvo):
As i said before. Microcode and Blittersoft don't answeer about
'Refund'. Services, services, ....
I've send mail to Microcode and mister Paul Lesurf.
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