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Posted on 04-Mar-2001 02:13 GMT by Christian Kemp34 comments
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Gran Grincho wrote: "I e-mailed Gary Peake regardinding student rates - I am a skint student after all :o) This is the reply I got: Not any time soon. We have license fees to pay plus man hours and books,etc here to pay for. We have priced the SDK as economically as we could. Fair enough I guess..."
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
hundred bucks is well worth it with the year of updates to the sdk. There are some developer packages that cost way more than that for students alone. In any case, at a hundred bucks a chop, I'll definately purchase one when I get into classes this next semester.
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Posted by Hagge on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
Why don't they understand that they would get more money if they sold more sdks. Sure, i suppose the manufacture cost of it is quite high to, anyway, i would by the SDK if:
1) They had lower prices for students, i don't want to pay 99$ for something which isn't complete. OpenBSD works well and it's free =P (errr, the sound support sucks, but i suppose the SDK doesn't support all soundcards either).
or
2) They promise me to get the full version when it's out.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Hagge):
What I think they should do, is to sell a cut down version for students, with no printed manual, and no tech support - how much does it cost to print several cds and post them - they can charge $40 or something. They should remember that student research work can lead to surprising and marketable products in the long-run. I for one, am looking at cross platform distributed computing, but I can't justify $100 for the SDK. Their loss, I guess.
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Posted by Gran Grincho on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Didn't mean for that last comment to be anon...
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Posted by Darrin on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
My heart really bleeds for you "poor" students who can't afford $100 for the SDK. Oh no... my box of tissues is empty again because I shed so many tears for you guys! Get a life - either you're all a bunch of poofters or you're so tight with cash that you must be Scottish Jews. Nearly every student I've met spends at least $250 a week on beer, fags and take-away food. So here's your solution - stay in your dorms with the door closed for 3 days and just drink water and surf the net, then you can buy the SDK with the cash you would have spent trying to get laid by a girl who is definately out of your league.
I don't know how you guys will survive when you finally leave school and suddenly discover that mortgages, car insurance, car notes, clean clothes and personal hygene costs money and doesn't come free. If you think the SDK is expensive then try and get a girlfriend and see how much they cost.
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Posted by Cedric on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
Right on! I remember having to pay $100 for a Turbo C licence for my class, 10 yrs ago. My friend just spent $200 for a 1 yr license to use a 'buggy' chem e program for her class. Either buy the SDK or quit whinning about the price. It's a lot more reasonable than what M$ is charging our department for their development software.
Later...
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Posted by Darrin on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Cedric):
Exactly :)
And 10 years ago your $100 was worth $100!!! Today $100 won't give you much change for dinner for two at a decent resturant. I remember when I wrote my "o-level" project at school in the UK. I had to buy an extended Basic, printer and a 5.25" floppy drive which, 15 years ago, cost over UKP460 ($860 then). It's amazing how much money you can raise by saving your pocket money and working "weekend jobs" - OH NO!!! I SAID THE "W" WORD!!!
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Posted by Cybes on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
> My heart really bleeds for you "poor" students who can't afford $100 for the
> SDK. Oh no... my box of tissues is empty again because I shed so many tears
> for you guys! Get a life - either you're all a bunch of poofters or you're so
> tight with cash that you must be Scottish Jews. Nearly every student I've met
> spends at least $250 a week on beer, fags and take-away food. So here's your
> solution - stay in your dorms with the door closed for 3 days and just drink
> water and surf the net, then you can buy the SDK with the cash you would have
> spent trying to get laid by a girl who is definately out of your league.
a. Your a stupid redneck racist dumb shit
b. You are obviously as stupid as your average PC user, get a clue dickhead.
c. If you were any more race/religion based deragatory you'd be confused for Hitler himself. You must be proud to reach levels as low as that.
d. If you're grasp of the world and reality itself extended beyond that of your mere existance you'd realise that alot of peoples finances, especially students, arent as well off as your rich suburbanite yuppie mates have it.
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Posted by Darrin on 03-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Cybes):
Ah, a comment from exactly the type of waster I've been waiting for. Keep it up pal and show the whole world who the real dickhead is - YOU.
a. Redneck? Sorry, I'm not even a Yank. You must be refering to the inhabitants of some of the Southern States of the USA. That's not a nice term... and rather racist of you. I wonder what word you use to describe blacks?
b. Stupid? Not me, but your lack of understanding certainly makes the word apply to you.
c. Racist and religious comments dragging me to low levels? I think I missed that. Where did I attack religion or anyone's race (that's what you did). I attacked freeloaders like yourself. I don't care what religion or race someone is, I judge people on their merits and you don't have any. So, either you imagined my remarks which make you a dumb or you can't read English as it's not your first language (in which case I'll let you off). Oh, I get it - it's the SCottish Jew joke I made!!! Sorry, but it is a joke. My race gets refered to as "sheep-shaggers", but I can laugh at it.
d. Now this is FUNNY!!! Reality? Don't understand finances?? Yuppie??? I went through school depending on 1 parent who depended on her widows pension to pay for everything. From there I joined the military and spent 9 years travelling the world in what can be described as "not the best paid job" and keeping the world safe so pecker heads like you can piss it up in bars. I don't have Yuppie friends either - they're all "working class". When I left the military in '95 I came to this country with no money and my life packed into 5 boxes. Everything I have now is through hard work - there I said it again... WORK. Nothing is free and lazy twats like you will learn that fast. The SDK was not developed for free and people rely on the royalities to pay for their homes.
If you think my attitude sucks then fine, in a democracy you're entitled to think that. If you think I'm wrong then go up to a McDonalds drive-through and order a combo meal, supersize it and then tell them at the register that you want it for free. They'll tell you you're a prick too.
I was a student and a lot of my friends were students (including some Scots and Jews and they laughed at "cheap" jokes too). I have friends now who are students and guess what - when they need something they work part-time for it or get a loan for it. I've seen girls in strip-bars sliding down poles to pay their way through school. You want the SDK? Go and stack some shelves for Walmart and pay for it. Better still, when the McDonalds manager tell you to "sod off" then ask him for a job application instead.
I hope you enjoyed your reality check.
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Posted by sutro on 04-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Darrin):
... and I thought lamers were extinguished from ANN. I guess I was wrong ...
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Posted by Darrin on 04-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (sutro):
If he was any more "lame" then he wouldn't have any legs :)
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 04-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (sutro):
I kind of enjoyed it actually. There was quite a bit of humor in his posting. Although tarnishing another race/religeon for the butt of a joke is not unheard of. Look at Eddie Murphy...
On the topic of discussion, "I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a cut down version of the SDK today" but I would still pay for the books and technical support as well, so I don't see a "cut down" version of the SDK happening any time soon. Seriously though, how can one expect to research materials without the proper documentation? It's like shopping for cars where you have to buy the GT edition if you want a Clarion/JBL factory stereo with 17" magnesium alloy wheel rims where as the GL version has better gas milage and insurance costs. Another example would be building a computer from scratch right down to the type of power supply and screws that hold the case together. "You can have any color that you want, as long as it's black" - Henry Ford. If the cost of the SDK was $200, I'd still pay for it... but wouldn't expect it to come with a years worth of updates.
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Posted by redrumloa on 04-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
Hehehe..I'm surprised no one called you a gay basher:-) Not many here is the USA knows that "FAGS" is slang in England for cigarettes. Your statement as read by a typical american would sound more like, "Spending your money to go pick up a few homosexuals"....So that would make you not only a redneck, racist, religon basher, PC user(Where did that come from?), but also a homophobe!
Hehehehe... I find this thread humorous:-)
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Posted by Darrin on 04-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (redrumloa):
OK, I'll admit to the "PC user bit" - please forgive me for that. I keep forgetting that over here saying you want to go and "smoke a fag" means "kill a queer" :) And in hind-sight, I feel the Scottish Jew remark might be genuinly to be offensive to people without a sense of humour, I've decided to teach myself a lesson, dip my wick in some jam and stick it in a fire-ant nest.
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Posted by Cybes on 04-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Darrin):
Other people have already laughed at you for the rest of your post, but ill address the one point worth replying to.
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d. Now this is FUNNY!!! Reality? Don't understand finances?? Yuppie??? I went through school depending on 1 parent who depended on her widows pension to pay for everything. From there I joined the military and spent 9 years travelling the world in what can be described as "not the best paid job" and keeping the world safe so pecker heads like you can piss it up in bars. I don't have Yuppie friends either - they're all "working class". When I left the military in '95 I came to this country with no money and my life packed into 5 boxes. Everything I have now is through hard work - there I said it again... WORK. Nothing is free and lazy twats like you will learn that fast. The SDK was not developed for free and people rely on the royalities to pay for their homes.
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Your assumptions about me are so completely off the mark its laughable, but then again so are you. Im not the 'lazy kind to piss it up in bars', nor did i EVER claim anything was for free. You made these assumptions yourself, sad really. But you totally fail to see the valid points i made regarding the pricing on the SDK which is the whole point of this thread.
There are PLENTY of reasons, and PLENTY of examples why student rates should exist for the SDK and DO exist in many many IT organisations to date, and even ones which previously existed (including Commodore itself).
So before you completely slandered off the whole existance of such a concept, you should stick your head out of the ground a bit more often. Especially as a PC owner u should be more than aware of the concept of Student Rates and why they exist. And if you understood it, you'd know why it is VITAL to the success of the Amiga as a general computing platform.
Incidently I can afford the SDK quite easily myself, but I am willing to stick up for the concept of student prices and the benefits it brings. So once again, your assumptions are completely mislaid.
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Posted by Darrin on 04-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Cybes):
Dear Cybes,
As you were so nice in your last post I'll declare a cease fire :)
In my initial comment I wasn't opening fire on you personally, but in "freeloaders" in general. You came back with a personal attack aimed at me where YOU seemed to assume a hell of a lot of things about me, so don't be too surprised if I decided to take a few pot shots back. So we both agree that we don't know each other and we both made some off the cuff accusations. Let's let that rest.
You still say that "students" should get a special rate for the SDK compared to everyone else as they don't have the spare cash to throw around on expensive software. It's a fine and justifiable point which I can understand you making, however I have to disagree on principle. I don't know where you live, but I was born and raised in the UK where items have one price and you either pay it and get the goods or you don't get anything. I've been living in the States for several years now and one of the things that really grips me is the system of double pricing they have over here. For example, if you want to buy a car in the UK you go to the showroom and there thy are, all neatly parked with the price (including tax) on the windscreen. Over here, there is a price, but it's not the "real" price. You have to play a game of "who can be the biggest arsehole" in order to get a lower price. Basically, the system rewards the best jerk so that jerks win and Mr Niceguy gets shafted. This also applies to a lot of other goods in many stores. This principle REALLY gets up my nose (as I've probably demonstrated in my earlier posts).
Now, I was brought up that all men are equal (although some seem to be more equal than others), reward the good and punish the evil. I therefore believe that everyone should pay the same price regardless of their income. The rich pay more taxes already, so why expect someone to pay more for other things just because of his income? We could end up having to take our pay-stubs shopping in order to calculate our final bill at the register!!!
My other point is that $100 really isn't that much to pay for the SDK. It's been pointed out that other students have to pay a hell of a lot more for equipment for their projects. Now I do sympathise with someone who is that hard up that he/she can't afford the $100, but if they can't afford $100 then how did they manage to buy the high-end machine needed to effectively run the SDK anyway??? Have you actually seen the specs for the "D'Amiga"? I mean, it's not exactly cheap to either buy one straight or cobble one together yourself.
Arithmetic: $100UKP69 = 27 pints of wicked strength beer = less than the cost of one beer a day for 4 weeks (or probably filling your car up twice with petrol).
PS. Does "Viz" still have the comic strip "Student Grant" in it? Now THAT was funny :)
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Posted by redrumloa on 04-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Darrin):
>OK, I'll admit to the "PC user bit"
Hey I own one to:-\ My A3000 is my main computer, but it's nearly impossible to get by without at least 1 PC in the house nowadays. I actually only know 1 Amigan who to this day has never, and will never own a PC.
Now if our 68K processors were a bit faster...Or if iFusion was out and ran MacOS perfectly(and maybe some faster PPC cards), we could get away with not owning a PC..What ever couldn't be accomplished in Amiga mode could most likely be done on the Mac side.
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Darrin):
>In my initial comment I wasn't opening fire on you personally, but >in "freeloaders" in general.
What is wrong with "freeloaders"? I am a student and I know that it'll be the last time in my life that I get discounts until I become a pensioner!!!! If I can save cash (legally!) then I bloody will try!
Steffan the "freeloader" - and proud of it :)
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Posted by Darrin on 05-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
lol - and I don't want any "old farts" getting it cheaper either!!!
:)
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Posted by Gran Grincho on 06-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Darrin):
Er...
Wow - I post something and come back 1 day later and all hell has broken loose - Basically, loads of companies have discounted SDKs and software - I for one, would prefer to see a reduction for student prices as I am doing a PhD, where you put life on hold for three years (after four years of undergrad debts - I'm paying for all this myself) and eat beans! $100 is substantial, when I can go out and get something else for my RESEARCH for free - You see, as I am doing RESEARCH (what students do) and not being an Amiga fanatic, seeing what is out there is very important and much of it is free (eg development tools etc...)
By pricing it out of the "hmm sounds interesting; wouldn't mind looking at that for a few minutes" market that is usually very large in research, Amiga Inc are missing out on a opportunity to spread the word to non-Amigans who may have the potential to do something very original with it.
Furthermore, student S/W have a limited license (usually) so that you can't publish work commercially - you have to go off and get a full one - so that is an even greater benefit.
Price banding is done a lot, and done for a reason (usually to maximise a companies profit - do you really think Richard Branson really gives a **** when he gives students 33% off a train ticket - NO! he is just making more money buy filling a small amount of seats in the last minute that would otherwise go out empty) - SO... Amiga have an SDK for sale. They want to spread the word, and get that killer app... so price it cheaply, so that BUYING THE SDK IS NOT AN ISSUE AT ALL, and poor research students can look at something new, without having to justify $100 (I would rather spend that on JBuilder4 and will - I'll DEFINATELY use that). I know am not the only one thinking this...
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Posted by mark on 07-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Darrin):
You seem to be making the assumption that prices are set according to how deserving or how skint people are. No one's suggesting that students should get a lower price because they have less money. Even so, there are various reasons why a student discount makes sense for the company selling the software (be it Microsoft, Apple, Amiga).
First of all - it doesn't matter how many pints of beer the price equals. The question is, how does it compare to other systems (where you can download SDKs for free and get student discounts for developer software)?
It's not just that students have less money, it's also that they're most likely going to be needing the software as part of their course, and not so they can make money out of selling software they write. Therefore, they're more likely to simply look for whichever company gives them the cheapest deal as opposed what's necessarily the best development environment. Also, for a company to maximise its revenue, there's a balance between price and sales - too high a price, and no one buys it, too low a price, and they don't make much anyway. The price point at which their revenue is maximised will be different for different markets, in particular it will be lower for students. So if a company can make these distinctions, it will do so. This is the reason you see software discounts for students (and for freeware programmers as opposed to commercial) - it's not because they are skint, or shouldn't have to work. Do you think a company would really care about that?
At my university, Microsoft gave everyone doing computer science several hundred pounds worth of Microsoft development software - so does this mean that Microsoft are fools for believing the tales of student hardship? Or, just maybe, they'll persuade the next generation of commercial developers to develop for and using Microsoft products, as opposed to turning to something like Linux or BeOS?
Now, I'm not saying that Amiga are in a position to give away such freebies now, but when they have a OS released for sale, I would hope that they would offer things like student discounts (and more generally, a free SDK for non-commercial use). But whether they do or not has nothing to do with how hard up students are, whether they are freeloaders or not, or whether they should work to pay for the SDK. It has to do with how much revenue they will make at a given price point, and how much they need revenue now (as opposed to giving away freebies to increase long term revenue).
As for "one price", I live in the UK too. Have you never had to buy insurance? Have you never seen student discounts for software? Have you never gone into a shop where the shopkeeper is prepared to knock a little off the price? Have you never gone into a nightclub where women get in cheaper? Have you never bought anything second hand? I don't know where you get this stuff about "all men are equal" - that may be true for some things, but a company or person can charge what it likes to who it likes, whether that's $100 for everyone, or offering discounts where it thinks it will be more profitable.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Darrin):
"a. Redneck? Sorry, I'm not even a Yank. You must be refering to the inhabitants
of some of the Southern States of the USA. That's not a nice term...
and rather racist of you. I wonder what word you use to describe blacks?"
With your above ignorant statement, you've made yourself look like a complete
asshole! What you are saying is that the inhabitants of Southern States are
rednecks. You are a stupid FUCK!
You've watched way too many stereotypical Hollywood movies. For your information
jackoff, there are what might be considered rednecks everywhere in the United States,
and the most frightening ones I've personally ever seen are from the Northern States.
particularly New England, but not exclusively. You have rednecks up North, out
West and all over the US, and I get sick of morons like you equating rednecks
with the South. For your information asshole, the largest membership in the Ku
Klux Klan is in several Northern States, with Ohio having the highest membership.
Also, the Grand Wizard is from the state of Ohio. Last time I looked at a map, Ohio
wasn't in the South. You are without doubt an ignorant asshole, and I doubt that
you even have enough sense to walk the streets by yourself.
You go down South and start spouting this ignorant stereotypical bullshit and someone
will probably shove your head up your ass! I don't care what country your are from
but your ignorant stereotyping of the Souther States makes you look like s stupid
sheep fucker. You are a dumbass...
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Posted by Ian Otter on 07-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
I could not aggree more with you. Why is there so many tight arse Amiga users out there? You will get a shock when you leave Uni and start stacking shelves at Wall Mart and find what bills you have to pay in the real world. $99 for the SDK is a bargain. If you care in slightest about the future of this once great machine you should not mind paying the price.
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Posted by Frederik on 07-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
It is not funny being a developer for the amiga, because ppl still think that every thing is for free..
still I think some things are a bit to expensive, but if ppl would buy SW instead of pirating it, then maybe, just maybe SW would bee i bit cheaper, because of the greater number of sold items..
Just my opinion...
BTW funny post...
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Ian Otter):
Err... have you read the posts at all? I am not a big Amiga, and many people don't even know an SDK exists - what we are saying is that there is a business motivated reason for price banding products, to place them in the student market for example. Research students don't fully use every program they install - they look at it and see if it is relevant - not exactly worth $100 right? It just worries me a bit when a company like Amiga ignores these potential and untapped markets - it does make business sense, and the fact the Amiga are not doing this leads me to think that they lack some (not all - they seem to get a lot of things right too) of this sense.
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Posted by redrumloa on 08-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Oh yeah, there are no rednecks in Alabama, get a clue. Certainly the mason-dixon line has blurred, but the "DEEP SOUTH" certainly still exists in large pockets in the SOUTH. Areas where the police depts are run by good old boys and blacks walk on one side of the street and whites on the other.
Think before you speak and understand WTF you are talking about. A mercedes driving yuppie in New Jersey who is in a white supremist organization is most likely not a redneck. By the same token not all rednecks are racists. Grow up.
BTW-I know I should ignore cowardly anonymous trolls, but this guy was too much of a moron to ignore.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (redrumloa):
You are an ignorant anti-Southern bigot. Don't deny it. It's
blatantly obvious to anyone reading your dribble.
Let me tell you something ASSHOLE, there are rednecks in California,
in New York, in New Jersey, in New Mexico, in Arizona, in Minnesota,
in EVERY FUCKING STATE...but your pea brain cannot comprehend that
fact. You are in denial, and you are making a total jackass out
of yourself with your blatant anti-Southern bigotry.
Some of the most frightening people I've ever seen came out of the
backwoods of New England. New Jersey is a prime example, where I
have encountered numerous toothless inbred morons. It's rampant
in New England.
You are an arrogant ASSHOLE, you are a bigot, you stereotype Alabama
out of pure ignorance. You've watched way too many movies potraying
Southerners as rednecks. I'd love for you to take me to ANY town
in the state of Alabama and show me one where blacks walk on
one side of the street and whites walk on the other. You are
a clueless fucking idiot! The only place where anything like
that exist is in your pathetically deluded mind, and in the
script of some lame ass Hollywood movie. I'd bet you a large
amount of cash that you could not pull such a town out
of your ass if your life depended on it because IT DOESN'T EXIST.
It is assholes of your ilk that keep the myth of such places alive.
I for one get sick of listening to moronic assholes like you spout
your sterotypical hate of the Southern states. You're probably the
offspring of Norhtern white trash, probably cousins...or maybe brother
and sister? Perhaps, you're an inbred from California, the ONLY state
in the Union where it is legal to marry ones first cousin? Most
states will not let anyone closer than 3rd cousins marry, but hey
in California you can marry that cute little perky 1st cousin with
the blessings of this "enlightened" state. Bwhahaha...what a buch
of jerkoffs. California is like a fucking bowl of cereal. Those that are
not fruits or flakes are nuts. Now we know why! Way too many 1st
cousins getting married out there.
I would ususlly have let this pass, but inbred white trash assholes like
you make it too easy. So asswipe give up the lame tired old bullshit
sterotyping of the South. It shows just how fucking stuipid you are!
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (redrumloa):
Oh yeah...you moronic asswipe. The "DEEP SOUTH" is is one of those
mythological places kind of like the "LAND OF OZ!" The myth is kept
alive by the far left wing lunatic media and politicians who can only
survive by scaring blacks and old people. It is further kept alive by jerkoffs
like yourself, who are so stupid you actually belive this bullshit.
You are without doubt a FUCKING BRAIN DEAD ANTI-SOUTHERN BIGOT and an
IDIOT! Get a clue yourself dickhead! You're a brainwashed fool, and
YOU are the one who doesn't know WTF YOU are talking about.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (redrumloa):
Oh and just one more thing asswipe...
There have been several recent high profile cases of police
shooting unarmed blacks dozens of times, and for no apparent
reason other than the fact they are black. All of these happened
in the highly racist North and in racist California...not in
any Southern State.
Did these happen in your mythological "Deep South". No dickhead
they didn't! They happened up North in New York City and various
other places, and numerous such incidents in California.
You see...you really are a stupid fuckhead, ignorant in your own
pathetic anti-Southern bigotry. I guess anyone capable of having
a lucid thought can see that it is police departments in the
North and in California the land of fruits, flakes and nuts were
"good ole boy" police gun down innocent unarmed blacks just because
they are black.
What a pathetic little fool you are. I usually try not to abuse
idiots, but in your case I WILL break with tradition and will do
so with glee!
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (redrumloa):
Oh and just one more thing asswipe...
There have been several recent high profile cases of police
shooting unarmed blacks dozens of times, and for no apparent
reason other than the fact they are black. All of these happened
in the highly racist North and in racist California...not in
any Southern State.
Did these happen in your mythological "Deep South". No dickhead
they didn't! They happened up North in New York City and various
other places, and numerous such incidents in California.
You see...you really are a stupid fuckhead, ignorant in your own
pathetic anti-Southern bigotry. I guess anyone capable of having
a lucid thought can see that it is police departments in the
North and in California the land of fruits, flakes and nuts were
"good ole boy" police gun down innocent unarmed blacks just because
they are black.
What a pathetic little fool you are. I usually try not to abuse
idiots, but in your case I WILL break with tradition and will do
so with glee!
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Posted by redrumloa on 08-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
Terry Cooksey lives!! Thanks for the laugh Cooksey! That was good reading. Thanks for showing the world that the cast of Deliverance are alive and well!
:-)
Student SDK information : Comment 32 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (redrumloa):
I'm so dissapointed with your reply. Is the best you can muster?
I've presented the FACTS about the racist north and California,
and you cannot dispute them. Your reply is pathetic. You ass is
in a corner with facts and you have no way out. This lame reply
calling me Cooksey is quite dissapointing, and you should be
embarassed as all hell that other people are reading your ignorant
rantings!
You are nothing more than an anti-Southern bigot. You have shown
yourself as such.You cannot even make a lame argument about
the good ole boy cops riddling unarmed blacks with bullet holes
in the North and California. The north and California in particular
are filled with racist bigots, who have the nerve to spout bullshit
mythology about the "Deep South."
Your one ignorant asshole, and indeed the cast of Deliverance is alive
and well wherever you are located...thats for sure!
Give it up loser. You've made no valid arguments, you have NO facts.
All you can do is spout anti-Southern bigorty, tell myths about towns
in the South where blacks walk on one side of the streets and whites
on the other. You are confusing New York, California, etc...with the South.
Tell us all where these towns exist in the South. You can't because the
DON'T exist at all, and as I said before you couldn't pull one out of
your ass if your life depended on it. However, we can talk all day long
about the racism in the North and in California, etc, with facts not
myths which you cannot even dispute. You're a pathetic inbred bigot.
With all your words you don't have one shred of evidence for your
stereotypical bullshit. Use your brain...that is if the inbreeding
hasn't caused you serious mental damage. It's my guess that it
has.
I told you before I generally don't abuse idiots, but in your case
you just keep making an asshole out of yourself. It's time you give
it up, because you can't even back up your ludicrous claims about
the South with any facts...only stereotypical myths.
You claim the Mason-Dixion line has been blurred...still you rant
on about this mythological "Deep South". The only thing that is blurred
is your thought process. You are a brainwashed fool however you are
amusing in a pathetic kind of way. I feel sorry for deluded brain dead
assholes like you!
You know NOTHING about the South, and you're nothing more
than a common garden variety anti-Southern BIGOT and a closet racist.
It makes you feel better about yourself, by trying to cast your own
diseased bigoted racist mind on others by stereotyping the South.
I strongly urge you to seek professional psychological help. Perhaps
one day you can come back the land of reality. You nor the original
bigoted sheep fucker who is not even from the country know NOTHING
about the South other than what you've heard from some other anti-Southern
BIGOT asswipes. I know one thing for sure, you are one of those cases
of California inbreeding where your father and mother were 1st cousins.
Only in California is it legal to marry ones 1st cousin. I suspect
brothers and sisters will be next in land of fruits, flakes and nuts!
Student SDK information : Comment 33 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 09-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
Keep posting!! I am sure getting a hell of a laugh out of your rantings! I am starting to suspect you aren't actually terry cooksey after all! Oh no, Terry wasn't quite so flamboyantly gay. I am starting to think you are cooskey's gay half brother! Let me take a wild guess here.. Lamar Cooksey? Hehehe.. How do you argue with someone who is a gay cooksey? You can't! I bet Terry pays you a dollar everytime you suck him off eh?
And oh yeah, the Deep south exists. That's a fact. I have friends in law enforcement in "The deep south" who cannot stand the good old boy mentality or the daily racial profiling of blacks. I also LIVE in the south, but luckily it isn't the town out of Deliverance where you come from. But I guess you are too busy jacking off to the picture of Rikki Martin in Tiger Beat to see real life!
Anyhow, write back how I am an anti-southerner and all, it's quite a good read!
Student SDK information : Comment 34 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Tipu on 11-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
Just for some peoples information: When students leave uni sure they will have to face large bills for mortgage shopping etc BUT they will be earning nice salaries too.
Anonymous, there are 34 items in your selection
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