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[News] Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA'sANN.lu
Posted on 10-Mar-2001 18:09 GMT by Christian Kemp13 comments
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Henrik Mikael Kristensen wrote: "Gary Peake sent an article to Amiga.org, stating that a company is developing two small PDA's, which are to be AmigaDE based. Specs: Screen Size: 240x320, 65k color, 3.5" reflective-TFT; and Screen Size: 176x220, 65k color, 3" reflective-TFT. He also wrote as has already been stated, that he's still looking for people who will develop commercial-quality software for the PDA's. More details at Amiga.org here."
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 1 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 09-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
Well, now I know that quotes are illegal in headlines. :-)
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 2 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Kevin Smith on 10-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
I like the idea of Amiga branching into new products, but is this really going to make a lot of money? Is there really any more room for a new PDA? I would consider a few points:
1. Palm series - Still #1 and no real signs of slowing.
2. Handspring - Basically the "cool" Palm. Has a fair amount of market share.
3. Assorted WinCE machines - I've heard that the Compaq iPAQ is a huge seller and could threaten the Palm. Who knows, but I doubt that.
4. The Cassiopea - Knocks out the low end on PDA's (not that I would expect the Amiga based PDA to be low end, but still)
5. The Cybiko - Don't discount this guy. Wireless radio based communicating PDA marketed towards teenagers. More advertising (and a color version) and the kids/gaming market could be locked up by this thing. Sorry Gamboy 2.
6. The Psion handhelds. They remind me of the old Poqet computers, only better. AFAIK, Psion pretty much owns the "More than just a PDA, but not quite a sub-laptop" market.
7. The Newton - Steve Jobs is a moron for ending production of this machine. Not that it matters, I just wanted to mention that! :)
In automotive terms, when SUV's are selling, you don't want a car lot full of compact sedans. And PDA's are definitely selling. But in my opinion, this had better be a better product than is available and/or at a better price or whoever is making this thing is wasting their time and money.
It will be interesting to see who this new PDA gets pitched to.
My $.02 anyway,
Kevin
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 3 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 10-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kevin Smith):
Well, I think the palm is boring, even if it's the most used one. And who cares to get the one "everyone else has"? Does it matter on a PDA? Sure, Palm makes a fine calendar(spelling) or phonebook, but it's bORING =)
I don't know so much about the other, I suppose M$ PocketPC products will be used often, because they can run the same software(i suppose). There are also a few companys who makes PDAs with linux, don't know why you would want a lightwight-serveros in a PDA...
And I think the AmigaPDAs was lowend, they just had 500kB memory for programs...(or, the apps shouldn't use more, i suppose there are some for storage to). I think Merlancias PDA(not that i would call an handheld computer for 1500$ a PDA.. anyway) will be more "highend".
So, why should ppl get an AmigaPDA? Simple, then AmigaDE is released, it will work on a large number of platforms. And the same binarys can run everythere, which means all AmigaPDAs can run the same programs, so you will have lots of stuff to run on it. And if there's something you're missing, you can easily code it yourself on your desktop...
Just a thought...
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 4 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by KSK on 10-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Hagge):
>Well, I think the palm is boring, even if it's the most used one. And who
>cares to get the one "everyone else has"? Does it matter on a PDA? Sure, Palm
>makes a fine calendar(spelling) or phonebook, but it's bORING =)
>I don't know so much about the other, I suppose M$ PocketPC products will be
>used often, because they can run the same software(i suppose). There are also
>a few companys who makes PDAs with linux, don't know why you would want a
>lightwight-serveros in a PDA...
...
I´ve tried several PDAs and Palm is the most interesting one. Great display, small size, long battery life, very fast, HUGE amount of applications... You really CAN do (almost) everything with it.
I think office documents can be read with any modern PDA.
But if people love windows & MS apps, then they better buy Pocket PC...
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 5 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
It is NOT saying that Amiga are developing PDAs.
It says there is opportunity to place Amiga content (games or other
programs) on two PDAs being developed by some company.
Remember that Amiga games could run on top of another OS such as
Linux. They only need the small runtime version of the OS.
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 6 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 11-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Don Cox):
Nice that you pointed that out. It still seems that a lot of people thinks that Amiga is still a hardware company -they aren't!
These PDA games/apps could be used on winCE and (probably) other devices aswell.
What will be very interesting to see is if Amiga are just delivering software content or if these PDA's will be running AmigaDE aswell? Guess we will have to wait until the St. Luis show before anyone will tell us:-(
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 7 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Troels Ersking):
My understanding is that are three "weights" of AmigaDE:
1. Minimal cut-down runtime version to allow an Amiga program to run
on another OS
2. Hosted DE running as a second OS on top of another (which supplies
the hardware drivers) - this is how the SDK is working
3. Full independent native OS with its own drivers for all
PCI cards and other hardware
My guess is that the PDA content is to use 1.
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 8 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 11-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Hagge):
My post higher up is "wrong"... i did like most other ppl thought they would be running amigade, and therefor consider them as amigapdas, which isn't true... It's ok to delete my post or something, so ppl don't belive me, and as i wrote "just a thought".
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 9 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 12-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Don Cox):
Hi
Thats also my understanding even though i am not sure if your point 1 & 2 won't be the same. I dont know if your point 1 (running a cut down runtime version) will not be the same as running a (smal basic) hosted version of AmigaDE?
Anyway I think your right about the minimal cut down version will be used for PDA content.
""My understanding is that are three "weights" of AmigaDE:
1. Minimal cut-down runtime version to allow an Amiga program to run
on another OS
2. Hosted DE running as a second OS on top of another (which supplies
the hardware drivers) - this is how the SDK is working
3. Full independent native OS with its own drivers for all
PCI cards and other hardware
My guess is that the PDA content is to use 1.""
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 10 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 12-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Troels Ersking):
1 and 2 _are_ different. 2 means you are able to run simply _every_ software
that is available for AmigaDE and 1 would mean that the runtime is linked
with and therefor _a part of_ the program (comparable to DBase/Paradox runtime
programs, if anyone remembers...).
Last I know is AmigaInc. wasn't sure if they would support the 1 solution,
could have changed by now. However, the AmigaDE would be what PalmOS lacks:
a multimedia layer (incl. OpenGL/Mesa etc..., you know).
BTW, Palm is rumored to introduce 2 new models within the next days (maybe at
german CeBIT fair), one of which fits quite well into Amiga's announcement. It
is a V/Vx follow-up called m505 with reflective TFT (see specs in news article
above; the only other device with reflective display up to now is Compaq 's
iPaq H3630...). Just to inform you, if you don't know already, that does not
mean anything.
Ciao, Alex
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 11 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
I think Amiga should copy the idear of the Dreamcast, it turns of its VM unit that it has. For example when you get so far in Sonic Adventure you unlock small games that then can be downloaded into the VM unit and played any where, well coundent they do the same for PDA`s/Mobile Phone? You get a AmigaOne game and when you get so far, a new PDA game becomes available, the same goes for Software.
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 12 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Alex Klauke):
"Just to inform you, if you don't know already, that does not
mean anything."
Please, explain it better...
Amiga: two AmigaDE based PDA's : Comment 13 of 13ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 13-Mar-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Well, I simply do not _know_ anything. There are many announcements these days
concerning new (colored) PDA devices. Sharp, Sony, Handpsring, etc.
What I read has not even been an official announcement by Palm, it is only a
news item from normally 'well informed circles' (heise.de/newsticker, german),
ya know?!
But that was the only piece talking of 'reflective display', just like Amiga.
And if it is a company able to aim for 7 million units sold this year, the
companies of choice are, ehh, not that wide spread. So it does not mean
anything, but..
But however I'll happily take the surprise AmigaInc. will be presenting on
April, 1st as it is (only) the beginning of a (possible) new era... (little
exaggeratin', i know, yeah, something's in the air ;-)
Nuff explained?? :-)
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