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[News] : individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001ANN.lu
Posted on 26-Mar-2001 09:21 GMT by Christophe Decanini10 comments
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From Individual Computers website: Just as last year, individual Computers will be present at this year's Gateway Amiga show in St. Louis. In addition to the known products, the prototype of the brand new VarIO Zorro-board will be presented. It replaces the totally sold-out Hypercom Zorro boards with some revolutionary new features. A new software system by Thore Böckelmann that replaces HyperIO and the silversurfer.device, gives new functions also for users who already own a Silversurfer or a Goldsurfer. In cooperation with Cloanto Software, the vendor of the "Amiga Forever" emulator, we'll show the Catweasel ISA controller that lets you read your Amiga disks with a PC. Further, there will be a class about Zorro-2 hardwaredesign on friday, march 30th. It is meant for beginners and advanced hardware designers.
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 1 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 25-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
Yea, great. An ISA Catweazel. Most modern PC donīt *have* an ISA slot anymore, and neither has the AmigaOne 1200 if memory serves correctly.
ISA was deprecated when they *started* developing this board. Why didnīt they go for a PCI design?
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 2 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph on 25-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Solar (BAUD)):
Perhaps because ISA is simpler and cheaper to design and build?
Besides Jens Schoenfeld posted on Amiga-news.de, that one of the "new" features
would be a PS/2-Interface accessable via a serial.device compatible device, so
i would guess that standard mice could perhaps be used with this new card. The
other goodies that are said to be there were not mentioned though...
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 3 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Federico Stein on 25-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Solar (BAUD)):
Yes, I have to agree... In some technological decisions, I find that that the (our :) Amiga community & Amiga Inc. lacks of some "vision" if you like to call it like these.
I mean, not to start a flame war, nor to criticize something about I do not know every detail but, for example, why start with a matrox video card, when in the market, the only growing and eating-the-competition company is nvidia? (Ok, perhaps has something to be to the close relationship with micro$oft... :) Not to mention how more advanced the nvidia cards are...
I had bought the SDK, I'm trying to do something productive, but my point is that I'm not always happy with the "I-want-to-stay-with-things-that-in-that-moment-were-cool" attitude that don't let them realize that *just perhaps*, that "thing" was made obsolete (or at least that there is something to replace it with a more modern approach).
Just my 2 cents...
Regards,
Federico
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 4 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph on 25-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Federico Stein):
Because nVidia is growing at the moment does only mean they are probably not
interested in really cooperating with a small company from Snoqualmie. In the
past other companys had their time - at the moment it is nVidia, tomorrow it
might as well be some today unknown company.
What is the problem in choosing a certain company that is NOT market leader
or whatever? Perhaps Matrox cards have other qualities and strengths that nVidia
don't have? And Matrox is the company being supported IN THE BEGINNING! Noone
says there will be no support for other manufacturers (be it from Amiga or from
a 3rd party supplier). Amiga has to concentrate on some key points because of
their limited resources. Absolutely fine with me so far!
Besides: going mainstream was never the Amiga attitude anyway ;)
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 5 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 25-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Federico Stein):
This is what I have a problem with. Why don't Amiga see that what THEY think is right is not what every other person is right. Well, ofcource I know the answer, as they are their own company. But what I don't see, is why every other Amiga user is so up in the haevens in what they do, at the same time as they really don't know anything - well, that means if they don't have some secret intelligence knowledge!
Anyhow, I am too suspicious. Ofcource it won't hurt me to wait, but the Amiga DE bandwagon is just hype, and hype and hype. We haven't seen anything special yet, and only "religious" words of confort from a religious Bill, no offence intended.
I can't associate with a "blessed" company that has a vision just as religious as the rest the Amiga "spirit". It is time to take action in the real world, and I think, still, that AROS can be that solution. Discussing development plans with the AROS team, ie. contributing with real ideas and so forth -> betatesting etc. That would be something. We've seen more from the AROS team lately, which is made of NO finance at all, than the "well" or "not-so-well" financed "secret/stealth" Amiga Inc.
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 6 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 25-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (m0ns00n):
I hope to see AROS on the DE soon. Perhaps it will be a part of the coming announcements.
I don't care to have a voodoo 3 or a Matrox instead of a nvidia. I don't see any good reason to play at 150 fps instead of 100 ...
It will be much better to have a few well supported drivers than a lot of bad drivers. You won't die if you have the n-1 gfx card: the pc users will when nvidia will have the geforce3 out for the Mac.
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 7 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Federico Stein on 25-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ralph):
>What is the problem in choosing a certain company that is NOT market leader
>or whatever? Perhaps Matrox cards have other qualities and strengths
>that nVidia don't have?
It's not that is a problem per se, but you start already behind the main focus of the market.
>And Matrox is the company being supported
>IN THE BEGINNING! Noone says there will be no support for other
>manufacturers (be it from Amiga or from a 3rd party supplier).
>Amiga has to concentrate on some key points because of their limited
>resources.
I agree completely, but I wish the key points were a little more "marketeable".
I think I'm too dissapointed with the previous commercial failure of the Amiga... in case you haven't realized ;))))
>Besides: going mainstream was never the Amiga attitude anyway ;)
Perhaps it should now
Regards!
Federico
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 8 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Federico Stein):
Now back to the Matrox discussion...
If I were at home ATM, I would pick up some issues of cīt Magazin (for the non-German, cīt is probably the finest technology-oriented computer magazine in Germany) and quote some reviews, but this way one has to suffice.
cīt Magazin issue 7/2001, comparing TV enabled gfx cards. Matrox Marvel G450 tested best quality, getting "++" grades in both signal quality ratings, "+" in video and sound quality, and "+/+/o" in ACPI compliance, making it the best card in the test field (with ATI All-In-Wonder / Radeon and Asus 7100 / GeForce2 MX for competition).
Amiga Inc. chose a gfx card company with a proven record for producing not the fastest in 3D speed, but the finest in picture quality and video support. Especially the latter should be of interest.
AmigaDE is about scaleability. PDAīs and servers couldnīt care less for 3D performance. Office systems couldnīt care less for 3D performance. If you arenīt exactly a gamer or a 3D gfx artist, you couldnīt care less for 3D performance.
If you *are* a gfx artist, youīll probably prefer a GL card instead of a GeForce.
If you *are* a gamer, well, youīll have to settle for the performance of the *next* generation Matrox chip, who knows how good that will be? Or youīll have to wait for the GeForce drivers, which will probably take just as long to produce as the games that actually *require* so much 3D performance.
Just to make it very clear, nobody ever said that Matrox chips will be the *only* ones supported by AmigaDE natively. (Note the *natively*, nobody keeps you from running DE hosted under Windows using a GeForce card.) They just stated Matrox chips will be the *first* ones being supported, which, regarding the high quality of the products, is a very good decision IMNSHO.
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 9 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Solar (BAUD)):
"Just to make it very clear, nobody ever said that Matrox chips will be the *only* ones supported by AmigaDE natively"
Ummm, I suggest you read the article a couple down from this one then...
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Fleecy: AmigaOne supported gfx cards Link
Posted on 25-Mar-2001 14:15 GMT, last edited 25-Mar-2001 15:15 GMT by Christian Kemp 25 comments (12k)
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AmiRaoul wrote: "Mr. Fleecy Moss, Vice President of Product Development for Amiga Inc. posted on the amigaone ML over the subject of what graphic cards AmigaOne will support: "It is the next generation card that Matrox develop. However, all that means is that for Amiga products, that is the only card we will support WHEN it comes out, and we cannot at this time reveal that information. The G450 will be supported, and I believe Eyetech have arranged for the V3 to also be supported.""
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See where Fleecy says that, once it comes out, this wonderous new Matrox card WILL BE THE ONLY CARD WE [AInc] WILL SUPPORT... ?
: individual Computers at the Gateway Amiga show 2001 : Comment 10 of 10ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Iīd suggest some of your own medicine - reading. ;-)
> "It is the next generation card that Matrox develop. However, all that
> means is that for Amiga products, that is the only card we will support
> WHEN it comes out [...]"
You read "exclusively" here, I read "at that day, things might change later on".
> The G450 will be supported, and I believe Eyetech have arranged for
> the V3 to also be supported.
So Amiga Inc. will provide drivers for the G450 and the NG chip (G550), and chances are Eyetech provides V3 drivers. So whereīs your assumed "G550, only"?
> See where Fleecy says that, once it comes out, this wonderous new Matrox
> card WILL BE THE ONLY CARD WE [AInc] WILL SUPPORT... ?
...until further notice, which means, as long as they can afford only one supported gfx chipset, this will be Matrox. Eyetech is free to write up drivers, and other companies are probably free to do so too. And as soon as Amiga Inc. starts to make billions of money, Iīd daresay they might think about creating some more drivers.
And I remember some statements from about 12 months back, when they lined out their strategy: No way they could do all the drivers, all the apps, all the codecs themselves. They have to make AmigaDE such a nice design that nVidia, RealMedia etc. feel like making their own ports.
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