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Posted on 01-Apr-2001 10:41 GMT by Christian Kemp49 comments
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Fleecy writes: AmigaOS4 will only run on hardware that conforms to the zico specification - currently that is the Eyetech AmigaOne (which also offers full backwards compatibility with AA chipset access applications) and the bPlan AmigaOne, which will run AmigaOS4 apps and older apps which use retargetable coding. We look forwards to other Amiga hardware companies developing zico based solutions and are actively talking to them.
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 1 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
Great news! AmigaOS lives on :-)
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Posted by Daniel Allsopp on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
Ah, but why limit it to new hardware, what's wrong with the people who
are buying (and developing) PCI boards, G3 cards and the like to use
in the existing Amiga hardware. Should everyone stop now?
I'd say allowing compatibility with the old/new (current) Amiga
hardware is a pretty high priority.
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Posted by Bertrand PRESLES on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Daniel Allsopp):
Hello,
As far as i know, the only PCI solution + G3/G4 card is Mediator + SharkPPC.
And as Elbox said on the WOA 2000, the SharkPPC+ will be Zico specification compliant. So if you want OS 4.x on you Mediator + G3/G4, choose the SharkPPC+ instead of the SharkPPC normal :)
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Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
So it's official then - all existing Amiga owners are to be ignored by AInc.
Thanks a bunch, AInc. Nice to see our loyalty in standing by you and supporting you guys is to be repaid in this way :(
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Posted by Roj on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
I've felt that coming for some time now. AmigaOS 3.9 is a decent product, but it's also intended as a "market feeler" and the market has really been disappointing. There are a lot more "ex-Amigans" than there are Amigans, and there aren't enough active users left to support much on the C= side. I can't hardly blame people for leaving. It's just a bad situation that's going to take something resembling a miracle to pull out of.
That does not mean that a solid product and intelligent marketing strategy won't bring people back. If new PPC hardware, SharkPPC or whatever, comes in a preconfigured package with OS 4/5 and it actually has merit and as a powerful, flexible and forgiving system, the "ex-Amigans" won't stay "ex's" for long.
As far as the AmigaOne goes, it will REALLY have to show me something before I give up all my gear and make the move away from both "classic" Amiga and Windows systems. I know there's great potential there, but I feel there's equal potential for both the classic and the DE if both are properly presented (for a change).
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Posted by Bertrand PRESLES on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
Hello again,
What do you want AmigaOS 4.x to run on existing PPC cards?
It's time to go to G3/G4! We are enough late!
Yes of course you'll be able to run AmigaOS 4.x on your current Amiga IF you add a G3/G4 accelerator board (never mind if it's a SharkPPC+, or an AmigaOne 1200/4000).
So where do you see that Amiga Inc don't support the Amiga users. Of course they don't support the 68k and 603e/604e PPC users as AmigaOS 4.x will be a PPC OS, and supporting current PPC cards is a lack of time because today already the 603e or 604e is not enough for certain applications (games, DVD, Flash, 3D...etc). Let's go on G3/G4!
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Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bertrand PRESLES):
Yes, I *would* like AInc to support existing long-time PPC-Amiga owners - just like WE supported them (even giving in to their blackmail demands "Buy OS3.9 or we won't let you have OS4.0").
Yes, I am aware that the G3 and G4 are far more powerful. However, are YOU not aware that the G4, G3 and 604, 603 are all binary compatible?
i.e. your claim that the 604 et al are not supported due to lack of time is completely wrong.
Similarly, your claim that new "Classic" G3 & G4 cards will be suported is also wrong - they will ONLY be supported by OS4 *IF* the hardware design conforms to the zico spec - guess what? Classic Amiga plus PPC is NOT the zico spec.
So, as AInc have effectivly told us "Ha ha, we got your money now fsck off", give me ONE very good reason why I should buy an AmigaOne as opposed to, say, a Mac with MacOS X, or even abPlan with MorpOS (or even keep my PPC Amiga and run MorphOS on that)?
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Posted by David Scheibler on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bertrand PRESLES):
Because there is a bigger market for AmigaOS4 if it runs on existing
PPC boards?
Because I'd like to test the new AmigaOS4 on my existing hardware and
if it's good I can buy a better hardware with AmigaOS4.
So my only chance running AmigaOS on PPC is MorphOS at this moment.
Well, but Amiga Inc. seems to have lost one year. The announcements
they have made tonight could also have be made a year ago or so.
But that's Amiga Inc, they have a new strategy every new year.
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 9 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bertrand PRESLES):
The "problem" is that Amiga always bragged about how little resources are needed for
the DE - it will even work on PDAs! And as G3/G4 are not THAT different from the existing
603/604 CPUs it pretty much looks like a political decision (perhaps to force new hardware
sales to support the vendors and dealers). Gives a bad image IMHO. Cannot be so much work
to have it run properly on existing cards.
If people feel they are lacking CPU power they will upgrade by themselves - without a
"mother company" driving them into this direction. I even believe that 604e (at least)
are capable of doing quite a lot more than they do today. In existing Amigas they still
play a coprocessor role (so they suffer from those DualCPU design and from the fact of
not being fully integrated into the OS). Additionally the developers are very few in number
and have not yet experienced the real limits of the "old" CPUs very often, because the
learning curve is not very steep because of no "competition".
Looking at the MACs is a bad idea, as the OS there eats lots of CPU power (not as much as
Windows, but still a lot) and so the 604 can not show their real potential.
Heck - why do people always try to abandon everything that is older than a year? My car
was 13 years old and served me well all the time i used it (until i had to sell it because
of going to Japan for business reasons).
Noone says that the old 68k has to be supported by a new OS version, but intentionally
crippling it to push hardware sales (at least it looks that way to me) is not the
gentlemen's way... :-\
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Posted by Darrin on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
No they (Amiga Inc) haven't told you to "go away". They've simply said that the way forward is OS4/5 and Zico compliant PPC solutions.
Buy MorphOS is you want to, buy a Mac, buy a smegging plastic palm tree for your front garden while you're at it - who cares... just don't expect Amiga Inc and their partners to support non-official stuff.
I bet you cursed commodore for abandoning loyal C64 owners when they produced the Amiga 1000 :) "But what am I going to do with my $400 MPS801 printer and 5.5" floppy!!!"
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Posted by Martin Baute on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Daniel Allsopp):
> Ah, but why limit it to new hardware, what's wrong with the people who
> are buying (and developing) PCI boards, G3 cards and the like to use
> in the existing Amiga hardware. Should everyone stop now?
Excuse me, but what with the people that were on the cutting edge, buying dŽAmigas (x86 based, you remember) or SDKs (x86 based, you remember), because they wanted to support Amiga Inc. where it counts - and who now have to buy PPC based hardware to keep in touch with Amiga desktop technology, because the DE is "for PDAs and STBs only for the time being"?
I, for one, wonŽt.
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Posted by Bill Toner on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bertrand PRESLES):
> What do you want AmigaOS 4.x to run on existing PPC cards?
I don't (don't have/want one of those cards)
> It's time to go to G3/G4! We are enough late!
I'd LOVE TO, but I CAN'T. I have an A4000T. I'm screwed for having bought the
highest-end Amiga made. I'm screwed for having fallen for the "Buy OS3.5/3.9
and if enough people do then we will give you 4.0/PPC native", which would then
have given me a reason to buy whatever PPC card would fit my big-box machine.
Now, this sounds like I'm complaining a lot, and I don't intend itto be that
way, I really am very happy to hear about this 4.0 announcment, and have already
had an Eyetech AmigaOne 1200 package on order with software hut for a month or so
now, but I don't want my high-end 4000T to be left behind, I want both machines
up to date as they can be. Have money, will spend...
What about the G3/4 accelerator from those matay Prometheus guys? That would give
us 4000T users some hope, but will they get the license from Amiga Inc. to run
AmigaOS 4.x native?? It'd just be sad to see my US$(thousands and thousands)
machine set back to gather dust in favor of upgrading a $200 1200 I just bought
from a friend...
Now, I'm not trying to bash Amiga Inc. over this, just to express my disappointment.
I just hope they find a way to let the Matay, DCE, etc. G4 cards run 4.x. And/or
that eyetech decide to make me an AmigaOne 4000T...
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
Huh? All existing users are to be ignored by Amiga Inc?
What kind of BS is that? They are moving forward the classic OS on PPC with the features we need like VM, PPC native RTG system etc.
Explain to me how that can be construed as abandoning the users?
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Posted by Sinan Gurkan on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
Hi
I think that H&P doesn`t have hw details of P5 boards..i.e...they can`t write flashroms for those boards...
That can be one of the reasons why PPC boards aren`t supported...
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Posted by Steve on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sinan Gurkan):
thats not the problem they have all the needed stuff or how do you
explain the existence of warpdown? I think they don`t want to support
these boards to give eyetech a better market position.
It`s a shame that Amiga didn`t take Morphos so much time could save
now we have to wait another 5 months before something will be or
better may be released.
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Posted by ike on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
I think that the old boy have done his works (classic amiga). I don't think that Mac user are still using the first ppc 604e. they buy new computer (imac, ...), so it is time to 'left' the old to get the new or the old would be the last...
ike
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Posted by David Scheibler on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Steve):
Amiga Inc wanted to take MorphOS, but guess what: An "Amiga" company
said that the MorphOS guys are all bad and that they should take their
solution... AFAIR they also said to dealers: If you sell MorphOS we
won't allow you to sell our software in the future.
No, I'm not talking about MS!
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 18 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (David Scheibler):
Like one guy said, no we won't support the mediator??
Anyway....i'm sick of this crappy BlizzardPPC....a cold boot is fine....resetting is fine too, but never try to turn it off and then back on again.....I have to wait at least half a hour...
Eyetech AmigaOne 1200 is the way i'll go....full "classic" compatible and at least a modern sollution...not a G4 in a busboard in a gfx expansion slot in crappy BlizzardPPC....
Just wait for a high resolution mpeg file shwowing a burning BlizzardPPC...
AmigaOS4.0 PPC is the only real option and not a hobby os, mde by a couple of hobby coders called MorhpOS
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 19 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
I kinda feel the same way as some others here have stated... My A3000 was sure to get one of the upcoming G3/G4/PCI solutions. But looking at the new announcements of an all new PPC native AmigaOS, it makes me want a whole new machine to run the new OS on... Then things will really shine, and it will be moving forward in the Amiga evolution, finally. I am more than happy to end my A3k at OS3.9 and move forward with a brand new hardware and new AmigaOS from here on out. Let's just get it to market!
All I have heard from Amiga users for the last several years is "We need new PPC hardware", "We need a PPC Native AmigaOS", "I still want to be able to run my old software", and "the AmigaDE is not the AmigaOS".....Now we are getting all of these things...but the objection now is "but it won't run on my old hardware" or "if I can't make it run on my old hardware I don't want it"... Well....it's time for new hardware, people. As hard as that may be to deal with, it's the truth, and the only way that the Amiga name will ever be taken seriously again. It may not be REVOLUTIONARY, but it's a natural progression forward... Just my 2 cents worth.
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 20 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
No, Ben, it is not "bullshit".
AInc ARE abandoning all existing Amiga owners, period.
Tell me, Ben, how can I run OS4.0 on my A4000 + CSPPC? Answer - I cannot.
As Fleecy himself stated, OS4.0 will ONLY run on Zico-spec systems, which rules out ALL existing Amigas.
Simple facts, Ben - simple facts
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Posted by Darrin on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Amifan):
Please email me a copy of that mpeg when it's ready. And don't forget to put out the fire after 10 minutes by pissing on it. We wouldn't want the flames to spread and burn something important.
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Posted by Darrin on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Tony Gore):
My A1200 is getting an AmigaOne as soon as they're out, but I still hope that someone produces a means of expanding my A3000 to run OS4-OS5 too. I can live with a speed hit on the A3000 cpmpared with the A1200 as long as it's usable.
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Posted by Steve on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sinan Gurkan):
thats not the problem they have all the needed stuff or how do you
explain the existence of warpdown? I think they don`t want to support
these boards to give eyetech a better market position.
It`s a shame that Amiga didn`t take Morphos so much time could save
now we have to wait another 5 months before something will be or
better may be released.
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 24 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Darrin):
I agree with you Darrin, I still hope that someway it would be possible to upgrade the old A3k as well...It would just be fun to be able to run something that new and exciting on there, but I am not going to rant and rage if the new PPC Native OS requires me to buy a whole new system. I was trying to make a point that if this is what it takes to move forward, then so be it...let's move on. In the mean time I hope someone can come up with a way to use the new PPC OS on the old hardware...But I won't loose any sleep over it if it don't happen. As Fleecy said, the line has to be drawn somewhere. Doesn't mean you cannot still use the old system along side the new one.
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Posted by Darrin on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
Wrong - it rules out all Amigas that won't get an AmigaOne 1200/4000. So, save your cash and stick an AmigaOne 4000 card in it and run OS4.0-5.x. Please don't tell me you're happy with your existing PPC card and were not planning on upgrading it some time soon EVEN IF OS4.0 RAN ON A DCE PPC CARD. In 680x0 terms it's like saying you're happy with your 68000 7mhz!!!
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Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
I would also say that "Amiga Inc are abandoning us" is strange interpretation of
the recent announcements. Ok, so OS4.0PPC won't run on the old P5 ppc cards. Then
you'll simply have to use them with MorphOS, OS3.9, or upgrade your hardware. The
important thing here is that AmigaOS is moving on. If that means I have to upgrade
my Amiga to a past-1995 standard, that's ok with me.
-
> AInc have effectivly told us "Ha ha, we got your money now fsck off"
I think what they said could be more accurately translated as:
"Ha ha, we got your money, gave you a product in return, then announced another
product"
Nothing too strange about that, I think, except for the "ha ha" at the beginning.
-
Kay
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 27 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
I am an A1000 user - an original Amigan!!! I bought my A1000 brand new from the store in 87 and have been using it ever since. Where is the upgrade for my machine?!?!? All of you posers who are whining about A3000's, 1200's and 4000's not being able to run OS 4/5 are not even real Amigans! You dumped the A1000 as soon as the 500 came out and then were not happy with that and bought A1200's and 4000's . . . even though you had to buy a lot of new software because they were not fully backwards compatible . . . The standards should be based around the A1000!!! Only then is the new Amiga a true Amiga!!!
Of course I am not serious . .
Now shut up and move on!
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 28 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
I have 2 A-4000s. I intend to buy the new EyeTech Amiga-One bords
as soon as they become available. They aren't going to be near as
expensive as a Phase-5 PPC board for the A-4000 was, and they will
be a million times better. I consider this to be a much better AND
cheaper solution than has ever been available to us befor, and it
even has a future. You can do the same thing. How is that
abandoning us? I have tried, and I can't think of any possible
better solution. For a relatively small investment we get to have
our cake and eat it too, running our old software while still
ramping up into the new Amiga systems with modern hardware and still
our clean and friendly beloved Amiga O.S. is with us, in a much
improved and powerful form. And in another year, it will also run
directly on my x86 (presently Linux) machine as well!
The only thing that could possibly make me happier is if it would
run on the Boxer which I paid for 3 years ago (and may never see).
Oh well, if I get the Boxer I will just have to run O.S.3.9 on it.
My only gripe is that the A-4000 version of the Amiga-One is still
several months away and my A-4000s both hardly run at all anymore
due to dying power-packs. But with new cases and power-packs and
the Amiga-one boards, I will suddenly have two very powerful, modern
Amigas to run my software on, and I can buy cheap and wonderful PCI
and USB based cards and add-ons for them.
Cacha later,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 29 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Here here... Amiga is a company not a charity!
Ian
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Posted by Amifan on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Well, at least some of the Amiga's past discussions are alive again....
Remember de ECS vs. AG discussion....what?? I cannot run AGA games on my a500?? Do you expect me to upgrade?? Commodore just wants to get as much money bla bla bla....
Or what about the 68000 vs. >=68020 why not make your software run on a 68000, I can live with the performance hit bla bla bla.....
-There was a A1000 with the kickstart on a floppy....
Time to move on...so it written in a rom now...
-There was OCS/ECS...the PC was getting better gfx
time to move on, AG was born...OCS/ECS users felt like being left in the cold..
-AGA wasn't able to meet the demands of gfx manupulations anymore and offering high resolutions
Time to move on, GFX cards ecame more common
- 68060 was the last out of the 68k series, not enough power to meet te demands of gams like quake, and playing hires MPEG movies...or plying mp3 songs while still bein able to do something usefull with your amiga
Again time to more on...Dual cpu cards were developed by phase 5 (being a *bridge* between 68k and PPC!!)
- The latest game releses on the Amiga made one thing lear...we need faster 3Dgfx cards
Time to ditch the bvision and a temporarely sollution like the Mediator was born.....
- Soon there will e a PowerPC native sollution...New 3D api, actually a PC gfxchip manufacturer as partner (!) something we could only have dreamed about some years ago.
Time to move on and leave the bridge system, it served long enough (four years or somthing?). Bridge is not needed it's time to upgrade to modern hardware with (almost) the latest technology.
We are talkin about cpu's with a total of more then 10 GIPS cpu power (motorola likes to call them 10 giga multimedia instructions per second).
What about AGP?
64 bit 133Mhz (but only usable as 100Mhz) SDRAM
UDMA66 IDE.....we are talking about 20mb/sec at least (try to reach that with a Powerflyer)
USB
6 (!) pci slots.....
and last but not least....a CPU slot, just like th old commodore days...not a soldered CPU, but upgradable....
But in the end after so much great news, fact this was the discussion half a year ago...we need a nativ PPC os....we want nw hardware..., there are always complainers...
So what more do you want!!??
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Posted by Darrin on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Amifan):
>>But in the end after so much great news, fact this was the discussion half a year ago...we need a nativ PPC os....we want nw hardware..., there are always complainers...
So what more do you want!!?? <<
Pamela Lee Anderson please!!!
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 32 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by DAVIE DAVO on 31-Mar-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Amifan):
Yes! That was exactly what I was joking about in my previous comment (annonymous post # 27)!!! I actually have an A2000 and an A1200 - great machines - both have been updated through out the years - I love using them - but just like the A1000, A500, A600!! ;), etc. it is time to move on to better technology and take advantage of the most recent advances. I use the Amiga because I like the feel of the OS. Becuase every step through the years (HW & SW) has been a positive step forward and until recently always kept me on the cutting edge of technology. I want that back!! I don't want to be stuck with an A1000 in 2001 . . . It was great in it's time but even the great icons of Amiga's history found that they wanted bigger and better!
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Posted by Graham on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Amifan):
> We are talkin about cpu's with a total of more then 10 GIPS cpu power
> (motorola likes to call them 10 giga multimedia instructions per second).
Shame that only applies in certain situations. However the PPC architecture whoops all over the x86. However, AMD and Intel are ramping up the clockspeeds (2GHz by the end of this year), and brute force is leaving all elegance behind. How can a 1GHz G4 compete, honestly? Especially when the price is taken into consideration.
Luckily, people don't need a 2GHz CPU in general.
> What about AGP?
'bout friggin time. I hope it is AGP 4x.
> 64 bit 133Mhz (but only usable as 100Mhz) SDRAM
Catching up with the abandoned technology in the PC arena. DDR is modern. However, the PPC won't be able to take advantage of it properly yet, so no great loss. There need to be better PPC bridge chips really. the IBM CPC710 is nice (dual CPU support!, shame that the OS won't support it until Amiga OS 5.0).
> UDMA66 IDE.....we are talking about 20mb/sec at least (try to reach that with > a Powerflyer)
UDMA100 is standard now. IDE RAID is common. The AmigaOne is way beyond the old Amiga, but behind the current PC market technology wise. This is fine if it reduces costs significantly, but I doubt it will.
> USB
Nice. What about USB2? Firewire? Both were promised, but support will only appear in Amiga OS4.2 (what about 4.1? 4.3 and 4.4? Strange version numbering again...)
> 6 (!) pci slots.....
Standard on PCs these days. At least there isn't an AMR slot!
> and last but not least....a CPU slot, just like th old commodore days...not a
> soldered CPU, but upgradable....
Good. However, surely a socketable processor would be the best solution - it reduces costs. I do not know if IBM or Motorola are making standard PGA CPUs though, only BGA which require surface mounting, hence the requirement for pop in cards. At least L3 cache can be added, which will make up for only having PC100 memory. Also dual CPU cards might be a possibility.
Erk, that came out very negative - it wasn't meant to be.
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 34 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Graham):
Yes, the PPC 7450 uses a CBGA packaging (compact ball grid array).
Hence surface mount or slot based designs only, I am afraid.
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 35 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Mee on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
"Speed is over rated"
Oh?
Well then, someone had best tell Intel and AMD then.
Geesh, Amigan's are starting to sound more and more like Mac'ers now.
What sort of idiot would _not_ want the Amiga running at 1000 Mhz, right now!, on a board and cpu combo that runs $250?
Talk about dumb.
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 36 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
I am a PPC user and have bought OS 3.5 and 3.9. I say it's time to move on and stop living in the past.
What Amiga does now is great. So stop whinning.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Graham):
Honestly a PPC CPU is more powerful than any x86 piece of
crap.
You say AMD and Intel are going to have 2Ghz processors by
the end of the year! Big deal...
PPC processors are more powerful...a recent article benchmarked
a G4 750Mhz against an Intel 1.5Mhz processor. Guess what they
found?
They found that the 750Mhz G4 was 57% faster than the 1.5Mhz
Pentium IV. Half the clock speed and over 50% faster.
The PPC architecture is much superior to ANY x86 architecture.
Mhz mean NOTHING. Speed in the real world is what count, and
the PPC blows the doors off of x86's and will continue to
do so.
When the G4 Macs were released they were banned from being
sold to certain countries because they were considered a
Super Computer. Now...I've never read anything about any
IBM Clone being banned from export. Have you?
That should tell you something! Wake up and smell the friggin'
coffee!
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 38 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Kresimir Rogic on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
AMEN!
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 39 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Can you please stop to argue X86 vs PPC.
AmigaDE will run on top of both, perhaps we will have native versions later.
What count is that I can have my softwares running on my AmigaOne then run them on my PC at work and also on my PDA. AmigaDE point is you can run any hardware. So let the PPC users use PPC and the X86 users use X86 ...
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 40 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Andy on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Christophe Decanini):
I think that the'll find that the PPC is only going to be used first anyway. Fleecy did say that versions for future chipsets will be developed. Maybe they're holding out for the 64bit chips to come in?
--Andy
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 41 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Francisco on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
>My car was 13 years old and served me well all the time i used it
yeahhhhhhhh my car is 22 years old and it served me well also :)
Flecy says that AOS 4 could run in current PPC card but the entire system will
be slow.May be they made it after all
They are not abandon us.this is the best amiga news since the laungh of Amiga
1000.
about New pci solution:
Fleecy say that it only run on zico specs......umhhh all pci solutions with g4
accelerator complain zico specs so if you buy any pci solution you could run
AOS4, so they support current Amigans.......umhhhh many currents macs complains
zico specs, so may be i can run Aos4 on Mac:)
Fleecy also says that in transition to AOS4----->5 it will be hardware independence
so may be finally the AOS classic will be VP so it could run in every Hardware,
CPU.
HEY FINALLY THE DREAM COMES TRUE.AMIGA LIVES!!!!!WELL IN FACT THEY NEVER DIE!!!
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 42 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Otter on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
This is good news lads. Finally a tru upgrade of our best loved but out of date OS. Can someone please tell me.... The Amiga One upgrade from Eytech for the 1200 is great but I don`t want anything holding me back by having to connect to a ten year old computer. Is somebody bringing out a PPC board complete that will run OS4 and as time goes by, classic OS through software emulation? If we want new amigans we need complete new boards off the shelf at cheap and comparable prices. Thanks, Ian
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 43 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
"benchmarked a G4 750Mhz against an Intel 1.5Mhz processor. Guess what they found?"
That a G4 750MHz running Photoshop on the Mac was faster than the PC? Software hand coded to take advantage of Altivec beat bog standard x86 code?
Benchmarks shayhkiedfmarks. Meaningless. You can always find a benchmark to say what you want it to say!
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 44 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ian Otter):
Hi. I thought that the Amigaone boards were just using the A1200 for compatibility reasons, and that they will run the next genereation Amiga OS
natively when it comes available. Or am I completely wrong?! :)
Cheers, Ian
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 45 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Odin on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Hmmm,
all this discussion about Amiga left us in the cold bla bla, Intel sucks/Motorola rulez blabla bla, means nothing to me. For me, A Inc first has to prove itself. I want to see and feel and smell a concrete product. I've seen to much vapourware the last couple of years in Amiga land...Walker/Abox/MMC/uLose/whatnot else.
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 46 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Francisco):
Well... My oldest car is 41 years old, and it's better than new
cause I upgraded it. ;) (I'm an old hot rodder from way back -
1960 Austin-Healy 3000 with 550 Horsepower turbocharged Chevy V8,
special modified suspension and drive train, etc. etc.)
On the other hand, my newest car is the same age as my oldest
Amiga (1987 A500, 1987 Ford van) and niether one of them are
upgraded. ;)
But I have upgraded my A3000 and A4000 several times, and now
the A4000s are going to get an upgrade that will make them seem
right at home with my 550 horsepower hot rod!
Yaeeee - HAAAAAaaaaa We're COOKIN' NOW!!!!!
cacha later,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 47 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Donpovan Reeve on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ian Otter):
Amiga One won't be held back by the old motherboard, it will
run at full speed. The old Amiga motherboard will just appear
as another PCI card to the Amiga One. The old MB is only to
provide the old chipset for best compatability with old software.
The new software won't use the old motherboard at all. To the
old MB running the old software, the Amiga One will simply
appear as some sort of super-duper rocket-propelled accelerator
card which provides for all of its needs at light speed.
The Amiga one doesn't HAVE to even have an old MB attached to
it if you don't have one or want to. But if you do, some old
software will run that might not otherwise, or that might run
slower otherwise. It's only for the conveniance of those who
need or want to run a bunch of old software for a while yet.
Like me... I'm not ready to give up several of my old Amiga
art softwares yet as I havn't found viable replacements for
some of their features and ease of use, and I still havn't seen
a directory utility to match the simplicity of use of a couple
of old Amiga ones. And, believe it or not, I still prefer
Ibrows to either nutscape or ms interdebt deplorer. I HATE
the inflexibility and overbearing attitude of both of those,
as well as their bloated sloweness. I CAN'T WAIT to see lean,
clean and mean Amiga software running on super powered hardware!
Oops! Got carried away again. #;u)>
cacha later,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 48 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Graham):
Non-the-less, it is easliy proveable that the internal architecture
of the PPC is considerably more efficient for many types of things
than the x86 varietys, especially the intel chips... the AMD
varietys of x86 are better than the intels.
But, as someone has allready pointed out, it is not that big a deal
as the Amiga OS will eventually support both of these and more.
So, people will be able to run whatever they like. (AND, the
arguments over which is best will be much easier to escalate as
the Amiga will run on both asnd thus provide direct comparison)
;)
cacha later,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
Explanations from Fleecy, part 2 : Comment 49 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Ian Shurmer):
Nope. You are not wrong, you are totally correct.
The old MB is only a "compatability card"TM for old software
running on the Amiga One.
cacha later,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
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