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[News] Fleecy explanations, part 4ANN.lu
Posted on 02-Apr-2001 14:32 GMT by Christian Kemp22 comments
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Fleecy explains developer contracts and quality assurance, the MorphOS and bplan situation, and gives the definition of QoS.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 1 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by twice-a-day (4.17.99.12) on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Those MorphOs people really need to stop it! Their behaviour is not acceptable.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 2 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Graham (132.146.209.94) on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (twice-a-day):
Agreed.
Sort it out guys. Get together, go to a pub, and talk together. You might even like each other. DO it for the Amiga.
Or just write a morphos.library for AmigaOS4.x, and viceversa, at least.
Graham
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 3 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous (216.90.48.4) on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (twice-a-day):
Why do you believe Fleecy over Ralph Schmidt, curious, ask the guys who came up
with the demos for the Sharp PDA presentation what they think of Amiga, and their
honesty?
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 4 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin (152.163.206.186) on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anonymous):
Why shouldn't we believe Fleecy? Do us a favour - stay hidden and stay quiet.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 5 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (62.149.151.32) on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anonymous):
>Why do you believe Fleecy over Ralph Schmidt, curious,
>ask the guys who came up with the demos for the Sharp
>PDA presentation what they think of Amiga, and their
>honesty?
Why? What's happened? Who are you, anonymous?
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 6 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Neil (212.50.182.45) on 01-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Look, Ralph doesn't own the rights to Amiga...Bill and fleecy do. I haven't had an Amiga for 18months but I still think that they might have an alternative that I want to use. I don't really give a toss about what other people think the Amiga should be, it needs to be took forward by AmigaInc, not solely to please the current users but to offer something to others who are using other os's and hardware. Best of luck to them.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 7 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Christer Jansson (211.4.238.85) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Hi!
It's just to face it. Amiga Inc. has a good plan and it's the only
plan to follow. If you don't agree it's just to start arguing on
other sites... I'm sure that Gates and Jobs will listen to you and
make comments.
Now when Amiga Inc are merging Amiga OS (PPC!!!) with AmigaDE, I don't
think we really can ask for more. They have secured some income now
with Sharp and they will spend some of that money to invest in Amiga OS.
It's only one way to run a company... with money, good people and a
great idea.
Amiga Inc. isn't the only company who rules their own product... but
they are the only one in the computer industrie that has the right
spirit and motivation to take make something new and intresting.
Thank's Amiga Inc. for all great news the last week!
/Christer
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 8 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by David Shipman (202.180.73.230) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Ralph Schmidt certainly holds a grudge... go to AmigaNet IRC and ask him yourself, he'll 'inform' you that later this week 'something will happen to change your mind'. I'm very curious to see what it is... after all the FUD he's been spreading, backed up only by a few anonymous posts, he better have some solid proof that AI are up to no good or I'm sure they could have some genuine grounds for sending him some real 'legal threats'.
Most of all, I'd like to know if bPlan are under contractual agreement to produce AmigaOS4 compliant hardware, and especially if they are required to ship AmigaOS with the hardware as part of this agreement. I know Ralph wants everyone to jump ship for MorphOS, but hey, a contract is a contract...
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 9 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (212.92.14.1) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anonymous):
Because we know R.S. yet.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 10 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by David Shipman (202.180.73.230) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
I note that a lot of people complain about H&P doing OS development, since many of their application releases have been quite buggy. For comparison with OS work, the only low-level H&P product I can think of is WarpUp, which was certainly far superior to P5's effort. Anyone who doesn't remember the context switching problems with PowerUp really shouldn't be posting in support of either side...
Oh, and just so it doesn't seem like I'm bashing Ralph unfairly... I do understand that H&P made some unethical decisions back in the day, but I wish he could take this up with them in a less public and more mature manner... dragging everyone else down into the mud doesn't resolve anything.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 11 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (64.216.140.171) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
> The Morph team are very welcome to contract with Amiga on AmigaOS4, but they
> need to understand that they cannot make ultimatums on design and who Amiga
> is allowed to pick as contractors.
After having a ppc card for a very long time, this sounds very much like the behavior of RS. I just find it pathetic behavior, coming from RS or not. Someone over at Morph needs to take a chill pill and start working with Amiga rather than against it. This isn't the first time I've seen something like this though and I'm sure it isn't the last. For example:
When you go to the store and buy a pound of ground beef to make chili or burgers, the package of beef isn't going to tell you it can't be made into burgers or chili and is only good for tacos.
See how pathetic that sounds? Anyone from the morph team want to stand up and comment on this in defense?
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 12 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Dagon (151.26.19.101) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christer Jansson):
I believe that AmigaDE exists only in the papers and thats
the reason they go for AmigaOS4.0 (that made H&P
one year before, in a show in Cologne I think that they brote
a prototype with a PPC card running AmigaPPC native)
So what will they give to sharp?
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 13 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve (209.50.4.117) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Dagon):
Huh!?!?
Boy are you ever dreaming! A huge multinational corporation
like Sharp didn't get that way by making decisions in the dark.
If Amiga Inc. haden't shown Sharp something concrete and very
good, Sharp wouldn't even be talking to them by now, let alone
working with them. No, it's pretty obvious if they have a company
like Sharp interested that they have something pretty cool!
And I have seen a lot of evidence (from other sources than
Amiga Inc.) that Sharp aren't the only ones highly interested,
in fact nowhere near the only ones.
cacha later,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 14 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu Suikki (195.197.180.66) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (David Shipman):
>of their application releases have been quite buggy. For comparison with OS >work, the only low-level H&P product I can think of is WarpUp, which was >certainly far superior to P5's effort. Anyone who doesn't remember the context >switching problems with PowerUp really shouldn't be posting in support of >either side...
PowerUp and WarpUp have quite the same context switch times. PowerUp can have a bit faster because you can control the cache flushing. Early PowerUp beta versions were quite slow because of a bug in interrupt generation, but these versions were not available to users.. Only to beta testers, such as H&P who then used this in benchmarks against WarpUp.
Comparing PowerUp and WarpUp is a bit pointless, both are just very low end thingies that allow ppc to be used as a co-processor. But imho PowerUp is more clean in design.. WarpUp has too much public system structures and design decisions which effectively prevent it from working as PPC-native operating system.
For more details, see morphos' warpos emu notes..
--
Teemu Suikki
wosemu author
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 15 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt (62.225.236.166) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
I don't eat meat...so you chose a really bad example:-)
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 16 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt (62.225.236.166) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (David Shipman):
BPlan is in no contract obligations with Amiga Inc.
Come on folks...read what fleecy said. Their Amiga4.0 is
meant for the Eyetech machine sometime summer if you follow
their "dates".
And then they plan to make 4.1,4.2,4.5 upto 5.0 to make it
fully native, add a MP/VM kernel, get it working on *non*
amiga HW.
BPlan's board is scheduled for *Q3* 2001 which needs most of
these features at *that* time and not a year later.
MorphOS offers a lot of these features already and there we
know what we're doing...we can test the HW with the SW and
vice versa.
Do you think BPlan delays their board to suit Amiga Inc's "plans"
for something nobody here has seen running on the field.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 17 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by David Shipman (202.180.100.178) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ralph Schmidt):
Ralph : Will AmigaOS4.0 (the 'official' release) run on the bPlan hardware?
You are going to lose a lot of hardware customers if it is planned as a 'MorphOS' machine and is not guaranteed to run 'Amiga' operating system products... besides, people like having a choice in hardware, and I know Phase5 always did excellent boards, I'd expect the same quality from bPlan, but it would be nice to know once and for all if bPlan boards will officially run AmigaOS.
Clear answer please...
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 18 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion (134.58.253.115) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ralph Schmidt):
Wrong. VM will be in there from the start.
Little point in an OS these days without VM.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 19 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by ike (213.132.134.182) on 02-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (David Shipman):
sure... my computer works fine on powerup, not on warpup. I think that's useless to speak about this. Everybody make his own choices. Stop to blabla and hope that everyone work's together (i have a lot of respect for P5, that's the only company who produce something interesting long time ago). They are fewer and fewer people who work's on amiga. Let the people with faith work's (even R.S, i don't know him but i think that he produces good piece of software)
on...Amiga.
ike
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 20 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by John Payne (128.117.10.43) on 03-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
> VM will be in there from the start.
For the purposes of AmigaDE, perhaps, but I gathered from what Fleecy
said that AmigaOS itself would be moving onto the VP, beginning with
4.2 Admittedly I was reading between the lines...
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 21 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (152.105.119.229) on 03-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (John Payne):
No, this is VM for AmigaOS.
We have had it for years from various 3rd parties, and many programs do their own VM (Samplitude, Art Effect, Image Studio etc)
So putting it in the OS will just be a tidier solution. It's worth doing.
Fleecy explanations, part 4 : Comment 22 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Tim Doty (131.151.64.163) on 03-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (David Shipman):
Just curious, how is Ralph supposed to guarantee that a product controlled by
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