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[News] New Executive Update at Amiga.comANN.lu
Posted on 12-Apr-2001 22:53 GMT by Christian Kemp20 comments
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Frank Brockway wrote: Bill McEwen's latest Executive Update has been posted with clarfication on future direction and summary of announcements made at the St. Louis Gateway 2001 show.
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 1 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Carl Mohlin on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
This is great. Now give me the damn products(this summer).
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 2 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
This clarifies a lot! But just to be clear. You can't run AGA programs on a AmigaOne with AOS4.0 without a A1200 mainboard attached, but it will be possible to run programs which can be promoted by Modepro or simular programs. Just consider it an a3000 which isn't able to to run AGA progs. On the other hand, paula is be a problem to for non AHI programs....
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 3 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by esseffe on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Reading part2 it mentions, motorola will produce an easy upgrade from 32 to 64 bit. Does this mean that it is possible to unplug a 32 bit G4 on the AmigaOne and plug in the 64 bit version without any problems or would a new daughter/mother board needed ?
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Book E, if I recall from a recent article somewhere, is the latest effort to try to keep IBM and Motorola PPC development from diverging. It's the shared game plan for the next howeverlong. Thus, I think Bill's comment means the 64-bit PPC won't be an Itanic. [Interesting sidenote- Intel has wanted to kill x86 for years, but the crufty li'l thing won't die. Looks like AMD will keep it alive for the near future...]
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Posted by m0ns00n on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
This update is really interesting, and in fact a bit reassuring. I will still wait and see what they will work out as of real products. But if they pull this through, the future of Amiga use will be very exciting. Hopefully, PureBasic will be on this platform so that I can get back to developing games and applications ;o) Remember those days of PAL/NTSC and AMOS? Hundreds of games and applications were made, because of the easy development language. If this would happen on the AmigaOS 4, everything would be bliss ;o))
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I will watch with patience and hope ;o)
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 6 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Marco Ridoni on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Amifan):
I think you're making a reference to paragraph #3 under the heading AmigaOS 4 which says:
>3. allow for full backwards compatability via the Eyetech AmigaOne (with a
>classic Amiga attached) or retargetable application compatibility via any
>AmigaOne
Actually I think this is meant for the whole family of AmigaOs 4.x and actually it will be possible to run retargetable apps without a A1200 attached only from OS4.2 onwards. Fleecy, can you possibly shed some light on this, if you're reading?
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 7 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by U. beckers on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (esseffe):
No it´s not the HW-aspect meant.
It´s only easy for the OS to go the path from 32 Bit to the 64 Bit challenge.
But if you build a ZIF Module containing a 64 Bit processor, then you´re in the
business, but I guess that wouldn´t make too much sense...
So for 64 Bit you´re gonna buy some new HW.
/u. Beckers
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 8 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by U. Beckers on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Isn´t the POWER series from IBM the 64 Bit schedule of the PPC-Family?
Heard the POWER 4 will get the cup from DEC to be the fastest CPU out there...
/U. Beckers
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Posted by Dave on 12-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (m0ns00n):
I've asked the author about PureBasic and he says he's keeping his eye on the situation and will consider an AmigaOS4 version if it gets released.
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 10 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by John Payne on 13-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
> PDP sensory processing system - PDP stands for Physical to Digital to Physical
> and provides a scalable system that provides for capture, conversion, representation,
> manipulation and presentation of sense delimited observation and interaction
I'm not sure I quite understand that, but to me it suggests that, at some point, you might be able to take your AmigaOS computer along with you wherever you go...walking under its own power.
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Posted by Istanbul on 13-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
The version number intervals are weird. 4.0 4.2 4.5 5.0.. where is 4.1? why skipping it and 4.3? Are they kidding? And 5.0 specifications points today's world's best OS, get serious!
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 12 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by John Payne on 13-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
> Orthogonal Persistence
> Safe and Unsafe environment
> Semantic Context
This is all really interesting!
Someone's obviously been doing their homework...
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 13 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 13-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Now if somebody going to explain what the hell those things are??
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Posted by Chris Roccati on 14-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (John Payne):
> > Orthogonal Persistence
> > Safe and Unsafe environment (*)
> > Semantic Context
> This is all really interesting!
> Someone's obviously been doing their homework...
Looks more likely that they're trying to impress the crowd with
buzzwords...
(*) and also that the memory protection "alternative" will still be
demanded to mechanisms inherent to the programming language instead of
being properly placed in the OS...
New Executive Update at Amiga.com : Comment 15 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 14-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Chris Roccati):
Wrong.
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Posted by Tony Gore on 14-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Well, after reading everything in the Exec/Tech Update, it sounds real promising. I'm cautiously optimistic (a bit excited even) about the new AmigaOS, and the roadmap for upgrades. I think that all along, we have all wished that there was some way to move our beloved OS forward and now Amiga have promised to do just that. Let's hope things move forward and on time. I'm hoping that other big name companies will now begin to see the new AmigaOS systems as a viable alternative market, and jump into the hardware end. This would give the platform some badly needed credibility, and maybe we would see local vendors carrying Amiga product once again. This is the only way I see to gain NEW Amiga users that don't know what Amiga is all about. It has to be in stores for them to see and tryout, and not just available to existing users.
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Posted by Christer Jansson on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Yes, this is truly exiting and promising information from Amiga Inc!!! I guess nobody would dare to hope for such news one year ago...
So I'm willing to wait... just a little bit more for Amiga OS 4.0 and AmigaOne :)
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Posted by Chris Roccati on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> Wrong.
Could you please provide some more insight?
Or we should rely on the usual "Keep the faith"?
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Chris Roccati):
The memory protection will be placed inside the kernel of OS 5.
All the rest of those "buzzwords" are genuine features of OS 5. There is little point in producing yet another OS with more or less the same features as Linux, MacOS X, Windows 2000.
That's not what Amiga did in 1985 so I see little reason why Amiga Inc should do the same in 2002.
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Posted by Chris Roccati on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> The memory protection will be placed inside the kernel of OS 5.
The safe and unsafe environment COULD be related to sandbox "virtual
machine-like" protected spaces designed for security reasons, but the
mention of special "safe" languages (SafeC) which would be pointless
in a memory protected environments is dubious...
> All the rest of those "buzzwords" are genuine features of OS 5.
Let me see... Orthogonal persistency? Semantic Contexts? PDP sensory
processing system?
If you seriously ponder the meaning of the terms you see that they're
thrown around with marginal correlation the "meaning" explained in the
sentence they're mentioned, and it sound more like playing with big
words than providing real informations...
> There is little point in producing yet another OS with more or less
> the same features as Linux, MacOS X, Windows 2000.
What is provided is *EXACTLY* the same features provided by the other
OS'es (expecially in 1-2 years), only expressed using "big words"...
> That's not what Amiga did in 1985 so I see little reason why Amiga
> Inc should do the same in 2002.
In fact in 1985 amiga provided *EXACTLY* the same features provided by
others, the point was that the accessibility of these features: you
could use hires graphics, high quality sound or even multitasking, but
you'd have to pay an order of magnitude MORE than you had to pay for
the amiga. THAT was the revolution.
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