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[News] Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBSANN.lu
Posted on 16-Apr-2001 11:30 GMT by Christian Kemp48 comments
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Via Moo Bunny: Amiga Inc. has closed down the amiga.rulez.org online pirate BBS. A bit of good news for few companies still selling/developing Amiga stuff.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 1 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Bianca Campbell on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Damn. Does anyone know any decent warez sites that are still running?
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Posted by Seehund on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Bianca Campbell):
http://www.wincecity.com/boards/Ipaq/messages/6784.html
Why don't you have a look at what a gentleman says in the forum at the above URL and ask your question there. I also heard that there's a whole bunch of z3r0-d4y w4r3z at http://127.0.0.1
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Posted by Buzzy on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Bianca Campbell):
I don`t hope so. If you want software, PAY FOR IT. It`s people like
you who make companies stopping producing good Amiga-Software.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 4 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Christian on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Does anyone really believe the first comment is real? Probably some idiot trying to fill someone else's mailbox. Just ignore it...
-Christian
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Posted by David Shipman on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
If I may play devil's advocate for a minute, bear with me, this is a somewhat controversial opinion.
The ease of pirating software (yes, thats right, "warez") sold more Amigas than any other factor. Case in point : kids. Loads of people had an Amiga to play games when they were young... why did they want an Amiga? Because their friends had Amigas... they could copy games. Simple. Realistically, is a 10 year old going to spend his pocket-money on mail-order software?
I'm not proposing we encourage piracy, by any means... software developers need to make a living like anyone else. Just take a look at the big picture... I know of someone who made the move away from Windows to get a G3 Powerbook. Now he's swapping it for a loaded Athlon box because "the Mac warez scene sucks". He (like 90% of computer users in most countries outside the US) doesn't perceive it as wrong not to buy software; its not an issue. Many people who never buy a piece of software in their lives become advocates for a platform on the strength of pirated software, and while they don't buy software themselves, somewhere down the line, they're bringing cash into the Amiga industry by bringing other people to the platform.
Its all very well and good to say "we don't want these people, let them use Windows". Fine. Thats just a big portion of the market gone... think about it.
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Posted by redrumloa on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (David Shipman):
Yes that's a controversial subject. In the Amiga market it is a 100% *NO*. Piracy of current software has an enormous impact. In the current Wintel market piracy helps sustain the duopoly(actually triopoly with current AMD) of the X86/Windows platform.
Also there is an even more controversial subject of early Microsoft turning a blind eye to the pirating of the DOS/Windows OS itself to help establish a larger userbase by any means, which seems to have worked wonders considering Bill Gates is the richest man in the world.. However considering the state of the Amiga platform, such a conversation is moot... Amiga related companies need every penny possible from every user just to be able to justify it's existance.
In closing IMO OS3.9 and Payback are underappreciated, buy it if you havn't yet. Just my personal opinion dudes, don't flame that.
Jim
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Posted by redrumloa on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (David Shipman):
Yes that's a controversial subject. In the Amiga market it is a 100% *NO*. Piracy of current software has an enormous impact. In the current Wintel market piracy helps sustain the duopoly(actually triopoly with current AMD) of the X86/Windows platform.
Also there is an even more controversial subject of early Microsoft turning a blind eye to the pirating of the DOS/Windows OS itself to help establish a larger userbase by any means, which seems to have worked wonders considering Bill Gates is the richest man in the world.. However considering the state of the Amiga platform, such a conversation is moot... Amiga related companies need every penny possible from every user just to be able to justify it's existance.
In closing IMO OS3.9 and Payback are underappreciated, buy it if you havn't yet. Just my personal opinion dudes, don't flame that.
Jim
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 8 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (redrumloa):
I'm sorry about that double post, please edit and remove if you wish Christain
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 9 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by yardo on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Hi..
As a regular user of "The Bitch" (amiga.rulez.org), I found this BBS very useful, as i helped me look for products that ain't available in my Country.
The thing i liked about it most is that people uploaded the most obscure demos and scene material there. Even stuff that WILL NOT turn up on aminet/amiscene/scene.org. This is unfortunate as i really like to still be able to find all these obsure demo.
Anyone out there running a *LEGIT* scene BBS ? or a *LEGIT* scene FTP ? (aside from aminet, www.amigascne.org, and scene.org)
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 10 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 15-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (David Shipman):
> this is a somewhat controversial opinion
No it isn't. Software piracy is theft. There is no gray zone. As a software developer I don't care at all if someone buys another system because the warez scene suck. Especially in the current situation, Piracy is the most idiotic thing. They also don't bring cash into the market because they do severe damage.
Those people can use windows. They are not a share of the market gone because they have never been part of the market. A platform like the Amiga simply cannot afford piracy.
Worse still, companies start to abandon the *Windows* market because of piracy and go over to consoles. I don't see *any* positive point in piracy at all. The console market isn't attractive because of piracy, but because of sold units.
Regards, Hans-Joerg.
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Posted by Michael Jantzen on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In defense of warez on the Amiga (and I really don't know anything about this web-site... I guess it just had OS disks and stuff) - a lot of software just isn't availble anymore. For instance I needed a disk for an old A1000 the other year (those things DO go bad after about 13 years or so) - so I posted a message to a usenet group to get KS 1.3 replacement disk... I've never been so flamed in my entire existance on the net (ironically I got the disk anyhow - from someone that was thinking!). You tell me Amiga Inc where I'm supposed to get KS 1.3 disks?
Same thing happened with Movie-shop (a Macrosystem program for the Vlab motion). I ended up getting rid of the thing because I could never buy or get copies of movie-shop. Same with the tocatta board that went with it.
Same thing happaned when I was looking for a replacement disk for ADPro. Please tell me what defunct developer I'm hurting by getting a replacement disk - better yet if I pirate the whole thing?
How many of you have a zillion and one C64 disks for emulators? Or the same number of roms for a snes/nes emulator? Even though all those programs are obsolete, and you can't buy them anymore...
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Posted by David Shipman on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
re : console market
Actually I know a great many people who bought a PSX instead of an N64 purely because they could copy cds but not cartridges. Am I saying we should be lenient on piracy in the interests of attracting thieves? No. But if you don't acknowledge the reality of the matter (and that is : how *people* think), then you're not going to be able to make rational decisions. As a software developer, you are completely opposed to piracy. Of course, I agree with your standpoint 100%. On the other hand, a userbase of pirates is better than no userbase at all, isn't it? Even pirates are _potential_ purchasers of your software. Don't forget, just because someone copies one game/app doesn't mean they won't buy another.
Anyway, enough said
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Posted by twice-a-day on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Seehund):
ahahah!!! that post of the guy looking for software for his stolen iPaq it's the fanniest thing i have ever read!!
Good to see that there still witty people around! eheh!
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 14 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
No, Mr Frieden, it is not theft! *sigh*
Please, look up the definition in 242 StGB.
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Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
You are of course right by principle. However, if a person pirates a piece of software
which simply isn't available legally any more, I would hesitate to call him a thief. Can
there be a thief yet no-one being robbed? Of course, this hardly justifies most
piracy, but it is an example of a "grey zone", just to point out that they do exist.
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> Worse still, companies start to abandon the *Windows* market because of piracy and go
> over to consoles. I don't see *any* positive point in piracy at all.
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Heh :-) I would think that companies leaving Windows is the closest you get to a
positive point though...
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Kay
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 16 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Oh please.
Are you going to quote articles from the German penal code now?
Hans-Joerg meant "theft" not in the legal sense of the word.
Software piracy is a penal offense nonetheless, also in Germany.
If you want to lecture us on German law, you might want to consider that Hyperion has two lawyers on its staff.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 17 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
This happend a while ago...
But did they had lots of warez? I just think i've downloaded their sid archive with like 22500sids =P. But it wasen't possible last time i tryed =/
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Come on, instead of quoting paragraphs you should put your name there...
What I mean is that is is technically taking what does not belong to you. I don't care what the law calls it - it definately does not call it "legal".
Regarding Console piracy:
There are actually people that decide to buy a certain console because of the games, not of the piracy. This is the majority of people. If they decide to buy a playstation rather than an N64, I can happily live with that if I develope for the N64.
The usual excuse is "I wouldn't have bought the game anyway". I know enough people that *never* buy a game. The notion that a pirate should only pirate "bad" games and buy good games is hard to believe.
Even more, it doesn't matter for the Amiga market. You may not be aware that Turrican (which was a MAJOR hit on the Amiga) only sold 30000 copies... The Nintendo-Version sold over 200000. With the current situation on the Amiga market, how can you defend piracy at all? That is simply beyond me.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 19 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
damn, i bought a PSX just because of the ease of copying games for it ... No way I would have a N64 with 2-3 games (because N64 games are very expensive)...
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Posted by twice-a-day on 16-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (redrumloa):
yeah, that is right.
Also consider that it's known that Sony himself published unoficially the scheme to modify the Playstation in order to run copied games.
Consider also the fact that they tried again to do something like that with their "buggy" (yeah right!) DVD player of the PS2.
Those are just smart ways of marketing a product. Not a bad idea in my opinion. To quote Macchiavelli, an italian politician: "The goal justifies the means".
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Posted by Anonymous on 17-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (kriz):
I bought a PSX for the joystick, nothing more. Very much the same reason why I bought an Amiga the first time around... the operating system made sense. To me, the N64 controller is bulky and a pain the arse to use. The best N64 controller I've found to this day is an adapter that can be plugged into the console for use with a PSX controller. As for how easy it is to copy, I couldn't care less.
When it comes down to taking money from the pockets of the RIAA... I'm all for it. When it comes to taking money from the pockets of the developers, I think twice and encourage the same from my friends.
The RIAA is a much unneeded middleman that has every need to exist... it is a syngent being that thrives to do nothing more than live off the benefit of others... in short, a virus.
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Posted by DanDude on 17-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Whoever or which council accepted that must've been over-participating in too many Oktoberfests. That's one of the lamest laws in the entire world. Fully unacceptable.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 23 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden on 17-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (David Shipman):
Hi,
As someone directly affected: It might be true that the Amiga sold a lot of hardware due to piracy, but it also went down the drain due to that. In the current situation, I find it a bit hillarious to defend piracy. Do you konw that current Amiga games have a sold-piracy rating of 1:5 up to 1:15 ? This means for one game sole, 5 to 15 are copied.
No matter what aspect of piracy you want to defend, but this ratio is driving a lot of current Amiga software companies to extinction.
I've been flamed by a lot of people on other message boards for "whining" about the bad sales on Amiga. I'm about to accept if somebody says that he won't buy our games, because he doesn't like them, the hardware specs are too high, or whatever, but the amount of pirated copies out there clearly indicate that there is a lot of demand for Amiga software, but even today, people are still not thinking about what damage they do to Amiga developers by copying software.
Piracy might or might not have sold a lot of Amigas in the past, but in the current situation, piracy will give it the final blow. Piracy might boost the hardware sales, but it will kill the software, and that will bring down even the best hardware salse. This is exactly what happened to the Amiga once. Next time, it will be the last time.
Thomas
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Posted by Thomas Frieden on 17-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Please, don't split hairs.
Ok, it's not theft in the StGB. That doesn't make it legal.
Thomas
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Posted by Prefer not to on 17-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
90% of the Amiga warez people i know, are trading games like Mr. Nutz and F1GP, or Assasins, and LSD disks.
I've run two pieces of pirate shareware, because on both occasions the author didn't reply to my emails about registering.
I wonder how much 'warez' happening here is trading of 'abandonware' stuff, and how much is trading of current, new releases.
BTW, I bought an Amiga because all my friends had one, and we'd trade games.
Without the availabilty of free games in my A500. I'd never have bought an A1200, and wouldn't have spent hundreds, probably thousands of pounds support the machine and the authors of the software I use.
I'm not justifying warez, in a market like ours every sale counts. Just get off the backs of the people trading abandonware stuff.
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Posted by Ville Sarell on 18-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Somehow I find it rather rewarding to buy a piece of software cause in this small market every piece of software bought really counts. I bought Heretic2 just because I found that "hey, some1 is really supporting my PPC at last!", even if I haven't played it that much (I should add a bit of memory and I will..). I don't mind copying the abandonware case that's usually the only way to get the classic games no longer available and most of them are legalized anyway (by back2roots.org etc.). I really don't much care about people pirating software in a big markets like windoze, psx etc., but the Amiga market won't give developers any profit (or very little), they mostly support our belowed machine just the same reason as we users do: love to use this platform and to support it. Of course if you find a really innovative and original game on the other platform (originality is not the word to describe 95% of the games available), buy it..that's also a way voting for better games.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 27 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Splatt on 18-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (David Shipman):
Shit yeah.. thats the only reason Ibought a PSX..
I've only got 60 or so PSX games, but just got a burner.. so that number is likely to expand :)
I haven't paid for one PSX game.. If I had to I wouldn't of bought a PSX ;)
Also.. come to think of it.. I bought my Amiga 600 in 1994 because alot of my friends in school had Amigas, and had cool games.. that I wanted ;)
BUT.. It's different these days.
Something like Payback.. should really be bought, if you've got a pirate copy and enjoy it.. Buy it because I'd like to see more great games from the author of Payback. I'm gonna buy my copy when I get an Amiga that runs it :P
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Posted by James Whelan on 18-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Splatt):
Why in God's name is it "different these days"? What makes Payback (which in my opinion is a detestable piece of rubbish) worthier of your money than Amiga titles when you owned an Amiga? It's thanks to individuals such as yourself that many of the software houses jumped ship - you helped screw everything up for those of us who were willing to pay for our games. Cheers.
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Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 18-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Splatt):
60 pirated games? Why do you put a smiley behind that? Are you somehow proud of
not paying for the products you use? You're kind of like a parasite then, freeriding
on other people's effort? Sorry to be harsh, but I think you should consider getting
a sense moral. I know it's not politically correct to be politically correct, but please,
make some demands on yourself... :-/
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> BUT.. It's different these days.
> Something like Payback.. should really be bought, if you've got a pirate copy and
> enjoy it.. Buy it because I'd like to see more great games from the author of
> Payback. I'm gonna buy my copy when I get an Amiga that runs it :P
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If it's worth using, it's worth buying. It's as simple as that.
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Kay
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Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 18-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (James Whelan):
I would have to agree with you on every point, except one:
Payback rocks!
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Kay
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Posted by Splatt on 19-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (James Whelan):
I wouldn't of paid for them back then anyway.
As if a school kid has $80 to buy a new game evey month
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Posted by Splatt on 19-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
I never said I was proud.
I was just saying that the only reason I bought a PSX was because of piracy.
I wouldn't of bought one if they used stupid cartridges
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Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 19-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Splatt):
You did have the money for a burner, though (merely assuming it wasn't a stolen one you just got;)...I'm not particularly wealthy myself, being a stundent, living on 10m without my own income...
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Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to blow the heads off some zombies in my legally
aquired copy of RE3 ;-)
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Kay
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Posted by James Whelan on 19-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Splatt):
If you don't have the money for a game Splatt, guess what? You go without. It's a harsh world but you can't always get want you want.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 35 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Splatt on 20-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (James Whelan):
Well obviously theres a way around that..
And since theyre not Amiga games, I'm not harming any Amiga developers having new PSX games..
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 36 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (David Shipman):
TO comment 5:
By pirating they bring cash to the AMIGA??? Well, HOW???????????????
You never had to feed on AMIGA development, otherwhise you wouldn't
say such absolute BULLSHIT!
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 37 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Michael Jantzen):
ever thought WHY some AMIGA-software isn't available any more??
Warez is a system, harming anybody involved!
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Posted by Extensor on 21-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Thomas Frieden):
"As someone directly affected: It might be true that the Amiga sold a lot of hardware due to piracy, but it also went down the drain due to that."
Sorry but that's a load of crap! The Amiga went down the drain for 2 reasons.
No marketing and weak R&D. Stop rewriting history to support your flawed idea.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 39 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 21-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Extensor):
Flawed idea? Let me tell you what truly is a flawed idea: A system in which the
user doesn't pay for services. THAT is flawed. Stop rewriting reality to fit
your flawed sense of moral behaviour.
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Kay
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Posted by Alex on 21-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
French Amiga market has got many pirates too :-( We spend our time telling "piracy is bad for all, buy your own softs". It doesn't work. What should we do ? Wait to see them buying.. a PC :-)
Let's fight together against them. Our motto: "Pirates, on vous chie la gueule!"...
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Posted by James Whelan on 21-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Extensor):
No, I'm sorry but Thomas is 100% correct.
Anyone who thinks that the Amiga went downhill simply because of bad marketing etc. is deluding themselves.
It's true that the Amiga's popularity in the late 80s and early 90s was greatly boosted by the fact that games were so readily available to copy. If your friend or the family down the street had an Amiga with 50 games, all you had to do was buy a machine and you had access to all that software - and thousands of people did this.
However, this was another major body blow to Commodore and the Amiga. While it's great at the start because you sell tons of units, as time passes software developers become cheesed off at the amount of money they're losing and move on to other pastures - this leads to fewer releases, and hence fewer people buying the Amiga because of less software and, ultimatley, huge financial difficulties for you as a company.
Bad marketing *did* help kill Commodore and knock the Amiga from the top spot but so did piracy.
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 42 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (James Whelan):
> developers become cheesed off at the amount of money they're losing and move on to other pastures
Well, if we want to be exact they are not losing any money, just not gaining as much as they deserve or counted on.
With a large userbase that would be sad but more or less tolerable if their income covers much more than their expenses.
But it is obvious the Amiga market can hardly cope with such low numbers (maybe it is barely enough for a one-man devteam
like Paul Burkey?) - afaik the sells of Shadow of the 3rd Moon were a bad joke, but I was one of them and I enjoyed this
title very much.
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Posted by Harlio on 22-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
Hi,
I'm the programmer of Apocalypse.
Which some of you might remember, it did well in some reviews, however
it only sold 1850 copies.. And its estimated this game is in about 40000 games collections
Piracy is bad :((
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Posted by David Shipman on 23-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Its true, I 'never had to feed off Amiga development', although I'm not sure thats the reason I talk such 'absolute BULLSHIT' (sorry Christian, I was just quoting the previous post...). Do you think a user who bought an Amiga because it was easy to pirate games _stole_ his Amiga hardware? No, Commodore made money out of him... piracy sold Amiga computers. Thats all I was saying, and I don't think thats a matter open to dispute... oh, and also, piracy doesn't "harm" anyone literally... do you think a software developer actually has food go missing from his fridge because someone copies their work? No. However, to ask "Is it _right_ for that person to use the software without paying?" is another can of worms entirely, and one I'm going to steer well clear of...
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Posted by James Whelan on 23-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (David Shipman):
Piracy might have sold Amigas in the beginning but in the end it was another nail in the coffin for Commodore. Software is the lifeblood of any platform - without it a machine is dead in the water. If piracy hadn't been so rampant on the Amiga, less developers might have left to develop for other platforms which had media that was harder to copy.
Of course piracy doesn't "harm" anyone literally - nobody's saying it does. But if you were a developer who toiled over a computer for nine months coding a game or an application, wouldn't you want people to pay for using it? This is what drove a lot of small developers away from the Amiga market - and that harmed everybody.
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Posted by DanDude on 23-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
PIRACY KILLS!!!! There, I said it.
I don't believe for even one minute that piracy helped sell a lot of Amigas. What I do belive is this:
o Commodore-Amiga management in the early 1990's failed to allow better Amigas to be released
o Lack of advertising
o (correct me if I'm wrong) lack of enforcement on copyrighted software
It may have helped sell a lot of software when Amigas came out but later the software developers realize what kind of battle they're dealing with. And if they can't win, they simply go somewhere else. This is not a joke, IT IS REAL! Look at us arguing back and forth....Aren't you just one bit ashamed of owning illegally distributed software? Look at the programmers....do you want them to continue developing software for us or do you want them to go somewhere else??
I can't just put my foot down and say, "This piracy has to stop here and now!" because nobody would listen to me. Would they? I don't like this one damn piracy. I ---BUY--- stuff. In a way, I'm telling them "yeah! I like your software, make some more!" I shook my head when I found out that O.S. 3.5 was cracked a few days later it was released. It may be victory to those who do not want to pay but others telling this can't be happening. The future is dependent on keeping the dream alive. Thank you crackers for making our dream come true--going down the drain. >:(
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 47 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Extensor on 23-Apr-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
"Flawed idea? Let me tell you what truly is a flawed idea: A system in which the
user doesn't pay for services. THAT is flawed. Stop rewriting reality to fit
your flawed sense of moral behaviour."
I take it you assume that i steal software? No, sorry, i do not.
I do not condone piracy. I was stating the true reason for the Amiga's decline.
Are you aware that Gould and Ali (the heads of Commodore way back) were the highest paid executives in the computer industry?. They did not care about the future of the Amiga. They just grabbed all the cash that should have been spent on R&D and Marketing and watched it die. Ask the old timers if you don't beleive me.
eXtensor
Amiga Inc Closes Down Another Pirate BBS : Comment 48 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Watts on 04-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Extensor):
As an Excessively Old Timer, I can tell you about the TRS-80 market. Yes, there really was one--even for games. Interestingly, nearly all of the game publishers vanished within the space of a year, and it was a few years ahead of when the TRS-80 stopped being produced. By "vanished" I mean out of business or just out of the market in several cases. (The year was 1984, IIRC, a year before the Amiga came out; the last TRS-80 Model 4 was produced in 1988.) I recall the CEO of one of those companies, Computer Shack, being interviewed shortly before his company left the market. In the interview he said, "It's interesting when you're at a local computer show and 200 people come up to you to tell you how much they liked your game, and you've only sold 10 copies in that market."
Don't kid yourself. Things like that do get noticed, and they do influence business decisions. (Computer Shack went on to port one of their TRS-80 games, 'Time Bandit,' to the Atari ST and did quite well. Oldtimers might also remember Big Five Software, Screenplay Systems, and Micro Systems Software, all of whom started in the TRS-80 world.)
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