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[Files] AROS now HD installable and bootableANN.lu
Posted on 23-Aug-2001 07:54 GMT by Christian Kemp19 comments
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m0ns00n wrote: Matt's bootdisk (Matts disks) now let's you install AROS on your harddrive and make it boot as well. He says: Aros is now usable :-)
AROS now HD installable and bootable : Comment 1 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 22-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
What parts of AROS were (openly) used in AmigaOS 3.9?
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
I just tried it and it was really nice! But real slow when running from the floppy.
Would it be possible to run amigaprograms without recompilation? I guess no ...
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Posted by m0ns00n on 22-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
You would have to have Amiga x86 binaries, which doesn't exist (YET! Amiathlon may change that!) :-)
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Posted by Don Cox on 22-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Graham):
The colour wheel, I believe.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (m0ns00n):
I would like a PPC version. What lacks is a 68K emulator built in Aros.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (m0ns00n):
Well of course, how stupid of me! It all felt so much like an amiga, that I forgot all about different processors and Amiga specific hardware!
Well, it has been a while since I used an Amiga now, and I now realize that I kind of miss it. Perhaps I will take a look at WinUAE, that features both 68k and custom chip emulation ...
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Posted by Georg Steger on 22-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Graham):
colorwheel.gadget and gradientslider.gadget. Not directly
from AROS source, but from the colorwheel/gradientslider
back port to AmigaOS done by Stephan Rupprecht, who also
helped enhancing these gadgets (not just back porting).
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Posted by m0ns00n on 23-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
I think it is important to leave the 68k code alone in AROS. I don't see why every AmigaOS like system should be bloated with an emulator. A clean OS is what I want at least, and AROS is getting there. When AROS has a Workbench, full with icons and menus, then it will be a pleasure to make a partition for it. As of now, it only features AmigaDOS, as a usable UI.
AROS is getting towards becoming a fully fledged OS. And I like it :-) There are already a lot of software available, but you need to compile most of it on linux. Hopefully, they will set up a binaries folder on their ftp server, so people can install software, hopefully with the AROS C:Install command :-)
I think, if you give AROS a couple of months, it will be very great as an alternative to Linux. Obviously lacking more software, but even more obviously a good alternative if you can't abandone the great feel of handeling an Amigaish OS. :-)
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Posted by Marcel on 23-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (m0ns00n):
Hehe, Amigaish OS? Well, yeah. The AROS bootable floppy made my system feel like an A500. ;)
It looks like it is coming along pretty well though. Hopefully they will get more hardware support it there soon (i.e. it didn't boot on my Duron 700, but did boot on an old P150), as well as the Workbench environment, and something like Aminet going for people who want to write apps for it.
It looks promising at any rate. Hopefully promising works out to "works well".
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Posted by StAn on 23-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
Any plan to write an ARexx compiler for AROS ? :)
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Posted by Kjetil on 24-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
Like to point out some thing missing in this OS.
Think about the first usabale beta software you get for this OS and are constently trying to work, when AROS crashes and you most reboot over and over again.and this is linked to the lack of 2K Memmory protection code.
(on a pc this is about %0.00000001 of cpu usage)
and you know the avarage reboot time on IBM pc is about 10 minutes, whith scsi and ide scans and memmory counting. And all the crappy billbourds whith delys for showing what kind of GFX/SCSI/IDE/NETWORK card you have installed.
On the linux verson how about using the DRI or GLX drivers,
whith a transparent API for AROS, makeing support for 2D and 3D games.
(X-Windows supports display changing, and open a larger window)
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Posted by Georg Steger on 24-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (StAn):
AROS has a working Rexx Interpreter. Not Regina, but
something ported from PC called "BRexx" which should
be ~Borland Rexx.
A rexxsyslib.library based on this would still have
to be written.
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Posted by StAn on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Georg Steger):
Thanks Georg. I was asking because I think an (open source) ARexx interpreter/compiler would be very usefull..
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Posted by Richie on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Amiga is wasting our time with a PPc port.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Richie):
Oh Yeah... It's better to waste our time than waste the remaining
developers! A TRUE x86 port will kill the Amiga commercial development
opportunities. So you know that Hyperion sold more copies of their
Amiga ports than the Linux ones? They got HUNDREDS of emails asking
for free binaries. Why? Because the users bought the Windows version.
They dualboot between windows and linux. If they want a game they play it
on win, cheaper, and earlier. People had the windows version of Shogo, ie
the data files, and asked for free binaries, instead of buying the game.
Do you think that ANY user except of some die hards, will wait for an Amiga
port of the game that will come much later and cost more than the windows
version? NO. They will buy the Windows version and won't even bother buying
the Amiga one.
Signing Off...
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Posted by Richie on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Do you think that amiga people will continue to wait months/years for
ports of windows software? A very strange business model indeed.
Port software to a dewindling user base. Have you seen the prices
on Merlancia web site. 2000-2500 usd for medium speed computers.
At those prices the user base should continue to dewindle. Not much
hope for hyperion in this environment. Maybe every Merlancia box owner
will buy the next hot snot windows game to be ported.
I can only hope that Hyperion has success. I am not to optomistic
about overcoming reduced user base with new computers are way expensive.
I have a new computer, 749 usd. p3 933 128megs, 30 gig. the piece of
crap runs windows, all the hot snot windows games run on it even if it
has cheap on board graphics and sound. The piece of crap also can run
aros, winuae, and probably x86amiga.
The new amiga should not cost more than 1250 usd. With a ppc that is not
possible. That will lead to the demise of amiga. Not the stainless steel
box but the ppc.
I would think that ppc people would be worrying about moto pulling support
for ppc, like they did to 680x0.
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Posted by Richie on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
I think it could be possible to port to ppc.
But, why do it. ppc will run 4.0. the real McCoy.
Morphos runs on ppc, try that.
If you want to run aros why run it on a $2000 box
when the x86 flavor will run on a $500 box?
Get A Clue, ppc=expense.
I would like to see someone buy a MAC to run aros!
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Richie):
Tell you what: That's the situation, like it or not.
The new machine will be PPC. If you don't like it
WE DON'T CARE! Stop whining. Nothing can change.
As about waiting forever for Windows ports, do it
better if you can. Having experience as a beta tester
I know that porting to the current
AmigaOS is a slow proceedure. You have to add things
you wouldn't even bother with in other OSs, like
caching, making sure to avoid as many contex switches as
possible etc. Even beta testing a game is SLOW.
AROS now HD installable and bootable : Comment 19 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
Memory protection is an important issue with AROS. Memory Protection (or rather MP) is not easy unless you are happy to buy lots and lots of memory. At this stage of AROS, which is really still Alpha, it would be unwise to include MP. AROS needs to run on a basic a system as possible, so that it can run on as many machines as possible and allows easy testing. The crash situation is a well known one, especially for anyone who has been near windows. MP is certainly possible in AROS, but not without using lots of memory or lots of CPU time.
It would be usefull to think of AROS as being made as robust as possible so that in the event of a program crash the rest of the system can carry on (with the crashed programs resources returned to the system). If MP is really required (for developing and testing software in AROS) we have a special "box" solution, which will provide memory protection.
A desktop is under development. It should be ready not to long from now. When it works it really make AROS feel good (it will be fully workbench compatible).
AROS can run 68K software, we have started to make a special integrated version of UAE (runs so that you don't know it's there, with output directed to AROS), to provide support for old software that has no source code. It's not finished and it is a very low priority. The are much more important things to do first.
Finally, the C/C++ complier will eventually be ported to AROS. You will then be able to build programs within AROS.
To use the latest version of the single disk standalone verison of AROS please visit my site.
http://www.bloodline.freeserve.co.uk/aros/index.html
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