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[News] Bill announces de shop and player pricingANN.lu
Posted on 26-Aug-2001 12:48 GMT by John Block31 comments
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Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 1 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
It would be nice to also see an Amiga AmigaDE player.
This would also have allowed amigade to run on amigaone etc right
away.
For many people putting linux onto their amiga is too much hassle.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 2 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
I don't give a sh*t for this DE stuff.
Where's the Aone ? Where's AmigaOS 4 ?
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 3 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Nov.1st on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Name pretty much sums it up, there Mr. ..er.. Anonymous - if that's yer
real name;)
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 4 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Mart on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Nov.1st):
In my opinion 'Nov.1st' is just as anonymous as 'Anonymous' is.....
Hell, you can use an e-mail adress and it might not even be the REAL one !
Just my two euro-cents.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 5 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Mart):
Just like "Mart" is pretty anonymus:)
Anyway I never understood why some people won't use their real name and email adress. I have never experienced any problems with it and I know that people using their real name often are beeing taken a lot more serious than the anonymus ones.
Back to the thread....
AmigaOS 4.2 will be able to use AmigaDE apps, so when that is released all important markets are covered (maybe exept MAC).
At that time i bet we will also see ordinary desktop applications, right now Amiga just have to focus on the PDA stuff as that is their biggest market at this time.
When the DEplayer for win/linux has sold enough to justify spending time(money on larger non-pda projects I bet we will se announcements of other kinds of apps as well, we allready got Photogenics? as far as I remember it has allready been ported to AmigaDE.
Just my thoughts
regards
Troels Ersking
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 6 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Mart on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Troels Ersking):
Mart is my real name, I could put my FULL name here (I don't mind) but it still would mean nothing !
Anyway, about the Photogenics port....
So there is a 'DE' port, I know ! But why 2 more ports ? I mean a Windows and a Linux port ?
'DE' Photogenics should also run on Windows and Linux, right ?
So why would anyone already running one of the 2 OS's get the 'DE' port ?
And where is the write once run anywhere idea ? Now we've got 4 ports of PG....
ok, thats about it then....
Mart (my real name !)
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 7 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
what is this player? An emulator??
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 8 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by anonbulous on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
Someoe email Bill and tell him to hire a grammar consultant. He needs an English teacher handy to tell him not to misspell words in a press release. :-(
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 9 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (anonbulous):
Me "to"! Yup! :-) "to" should be "too". hehe
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 10 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
1) No, this player isn´t an emulator. It is a run-time environment for DE apps, just like a Java VM is a run-time environment for Java apps.
2) For the umpteenth time, there won´t be an "Amiga AmigaDE player" simply because of the fact that AmigaDE is based (some say identical to) Tao Elate, which is based on the VP technology, which DOES NOT SUPPORT 68k, period. AmigaOS 4.2 will come with AmigaDE support, which will be fully integrated in AmigaOS 4.5.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 11 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
> "Where's the Aone ? Where's AmigaOS 4 ?"
Announced for November 1st, if you care to read before flaming.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 12 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Solar (BAUD)):
November 1st or 4th Quarter?
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 13 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Anonymous, while you are obviously too lazy to even type in your name, I dug up the link for you:
http://www.amiga.com/corporate/080101-amiwest.shtml
Surprisingly, I found it to be 4th quarter - I would have sworn it was November 1st... dunno, seems like I got my sources confused...
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 14 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Solar (BAUD)):
Depends who you listen to:)
Amiga says Nov. 1
Eyetech say October.
On the not interested in amigade comment, check the amiga technical info, amigaos will also be a "server" for amigade running devices. So u0pir amiga will communicate making a digital environment. The possibilities are interesting.
Those PDA games are just the first step. A bit like Pong games machines came before amigas.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 15 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Tinman on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Solar (BAUD)):
Bill McEwan specifically said 1st Nov in his keynote, and I'm sure I've seen it on some websites too.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 16 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Solar (BAUD)):
>1) No, this player isn´t an emulator. It is a run-time environment for DE >apps, just like a Java VM is a run-time environment for Java apps.
Therefore DE must be finished.... so why do we have to wait til november?
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 17 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Solar (BAUD)):
I perfectly know about the 1st november.
And what if this date can't be hold ?
What if there are some last minutes problems ?
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 18 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Hippononymous on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Nov. 1 (or Q4, or whatever) is for:
- AmigaOne (which may be available in October)
- AmigaOS 4.0
- Amithilon
The DE, in its first shipping incarnation, will run on the Sharp Zaurus as an
application environrment (an app that runs other apps) on top of whatever OS Zaurus
uses (most likely Pocket Linux or another Linux device OS).
Some of the people here still don't get it. DE is NOT going to run desktop applications. Those of you who have PDA's may get this.
Imagine that you download a PDA app that can run on PDA's with different OS's AND run on your desktop AND run on the cell phone. That is what DE enables.
Sure, you could make a desktop app for DE, but if it doesn't scale well to a PDA or cell-phone screen, then you won't move that many copies of it, given Amiga's hardware target.
In Japan, desktops are not commonplace. Color-screen cellphones are and it's a hot market. European and American companies are trying to make that market
fly outside Japan. It's a tough sell, since desktop owners (majority of American and European computing consumers) are not as into handheld computing as Japan is.
Amiga OS 4.x-5.x IS NOT A DESKTOP OS, IT'S A SERVER OS FOR DE DEPLOYMENT!!! Sheesh!
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 19 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by TimeWillTell on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
October is the projected release for AmigaOne according to Eyetech's time line.
Alan states that this is still valid.
Nov.1 is the "NO LATER THAN" date that Bill came up with at Amiwest. This date
includes OS4 and Full DE releases.
I believe it also included a release of Amithilon. (sp)?
But then only TimeWillTell
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 20 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Nick on 26-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
So is this the AmigaDE purchasers of the PartyPack are supposed to be getting? I'm just curious. Heck, I never even got moy voucher for $100 off an AmigaOne or free AmigaOS 4.0/4.2.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 21 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 27-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Hippononymous):
> Amiga OS 4.x-5.x IS NOT A DESKTOP OS, IT'S A SERVER OS FOR DE DEPLOYMENT!!! Sheesh!
AmigaOne -> Desktop.
AmigaOS -> running on AmigaOne.
Thus, AmigaOS -> Desktop OS.
Or do you try to tell me that the AmigaOne specs are server specs? *lol*
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 22 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Keith_Blakemore-Noble on 27-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Solar (BAUD)):
Nope, you are not getting your sources confused, it's just AInc changing their statements as per usual.
Bill quite clearly stated Nov 1st in his speech (I have the mp3 here).
Seems they changed their minds before putting the info on the website though, to give themselves 2 extra months of slippage.
I wish they would make up their sodding minds before "announcing" things though as it does question why we should listen to a word Bill says if they are going to change his statements when they publish them on their website?
Oh well, I guess we just Wait and See [tm]!
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 23 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Keith_Blakemore-Noble on 27-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (John Block):
Sorry, there will be no Amiga AmigaDE player because TAO will not support the 68k series, which means no DE for an existing Amigas I'm afraid.
It is also one of the reasons there will never be AmigaDE running on any current generation of Palm (THE most successful PDA in the world so far) as that is currently based on a 68k derivative (although when Palm migrate to the ARM later, who knows?).
Mind you, from the apps they show so far (several old games), we won't be missing out on much! ;-)
Seriously, I can see nothing there to make me want to go out and buy the AmigaDE thingy to run on Windows, so I shalln't be buying it unless and until they have something useful to run - I ain't a charity (to paraphrase Bill)!
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 24 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 27-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
Wasnt there a demo of Doom or Quake running on the DE once?
Oh no, hang on, I think that was Transmeta...
:P
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 25 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 27-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Keith_Blakemore-Noble):
PalmOS used to be on the supported list.
I asked Bill on the amiwest Q&A session about this.
he said that they would not replace in the current version. (it is on the MP3)
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 26 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by TimeWillTell on 27-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Keith_Blakemore-Noble):
The fourth quarter of course starts Oct 1st, Eyetech's target. Bill's statement
which he reiterated a few times was. That everything would be released "NO
LATER THAN" November 1st.
I don't find conflict in any of this.
Of course only TimeWillTell
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 27 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 27-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben):
It was Doom running under QNX, most cetainly on an x86 processor.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 28 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Hippononymous on 27-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Solar (BAUD)):
Oh, please. The AmigaOne is a bridge system for lame-o's who still use A1200's as their main system. It is not the intended system for the AmigaOS' future. It is a starter to ween you off your crappy A1200 hardware.
Eyetech will sell, what, 10,000 boards total, if they're lucky. That's pretty pathetic.
Amiga Inc. has already stated that the AmigaOS 4x-5x is for home servers to deploy DE apps to the various devices you will no doubt have scattered throughout your home.
Think of AmigaOne (the first incarnation) as the hardware for you to start developing server apps. Of course, Bill already said if they don't sell a ton of AmigaOS copies, they will re-evaluate the whole thing, so don't expect much for the future.
DE and the games that run on it are how they intend to make their money.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 29 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (TimeWillTell):
Nothing will happen November the 1st.
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 30 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Marcel on 28-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Casey R Williams):
The also showed doom running on intent. From the first issue of AmigaWorld, in the "Inside New Amiga" link, they wrote:
"At Amiga 2K the TAO environment was shown running Doom and Quake at the same time. In fact, several Quake sessions were going at once. Then the demonstrator fired off several utility programs as well. Nothing slowed down."
Bill announces de shop and player pricing : Comment 31 of 31ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Hippononymous):
>Oh, please. The AmigaOne is a bridge system for lame-o's who still
>use A1200's as their main system. It is not the intended system for
>the AmigaOS' future. It is a starter to ween you off your crappy
>A1200 hardware.
Sheesh! ...and people said *I* was unkind to AmigaOne. Besides, in this context the A1200 has the advantage over the higher spec models, as they are completely dead in the water at the time of writing.
>Eyetech will sell, what, 10,000 boards total, if they're lucky.
>That's pretty pathetic.
No, actually I suspect they will be swinging from the rafters if they sell that many. Alan is no fool, he will have a pretty good idea of how many AmigaOnes he's likely to sell, and will have built his business plan acordingly. Judging by AmigaOS 3.9 sales, and the number of active A1200 users, 10,000 will be a very nice figure indeed.
>Amiga Inc. has already stated that the AmigaOS 4x-5x is for home servers to
>deploy DE apps to the various devices you will no doubt have scattered
>throughout your home.
That is the eventual purpose of traditional "PCs" running OS 5.x, but OS 4.x and the associated hardware is meant to be a transitional phase for the desktop users, one likely to last for a couple of years or so.
>Think of AmigaOne (the first incarnation) as the hardware for you to start
>developing server apps. Of course, Bill already said if they don't sell a ton
>of AmigaOS copies, they will re-evaluate the whole thing, so don't expect much
>for the future.
A "ton"? AmigaOS 4.x has NO chance of selling a "ton", any more than OS 3.9 would sell 50,000. The point is that the appliance market is for baby software (limited apps and games) - at least until some proper appliances are released (and who will be able to afford those??).
>DE and the games that run on it are how they intend to make their money.
No doubt about it, but seeing what's available now I wonder who would be buying? The level of software released is akin to the stuff being sold for the C64 in the earliest days, 20 years ago or so. (I'm talking about complexity, not programming quality)
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