| [News] MorphOS runs on BPlan System | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 30-Aug-2001 13:04 GMT by Christian Kemp | 99 comments
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Ralph Schmidt wrote:
MorphOS runs on BPlan's development system to offer the first ppc native Amiga(TM) API compatible HW independent OS on modern PPC Hardware.
A technology breakthrough for the amiga market.
In observance of the development schedule, the Pegasos
system officially offers as of today a second operating
system platform. In addition to Linux
( since this years` second quarter ),
MorphOS now also supports the development systems in its
full functional range.
The modern concept of a slim micro kernel system combines
perfectly with the innovative hardware of the Pegasos
systems. The outstanding scalability of this combination
allows the user to fully and transparently carry out his
applications from a single processor machines up to multi
processor cluster machines.
This offers, beside investment-safety, the simple adaption
of the used hardware to system requirements regarding
performance and costs of purchase and operating.
As an additional feature MorphOS includes a highly optimized
Motorola 680xx emulator, which allows full usage of the actual
programms of this widespread family of processors.
Here, the achieved speed exceeds the capability of the
native 688xx systems many times over. With the integrated
mixed-mode-ability, developers are enabled to port there
applications step by step, for example in performance-critical
areas to power PC native code. This reaches out far beyond the
capabilities of a standard emulating-system and presents itself
superior even to highly optimized JIT Compilers.
BPlan
MorphOS
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 1 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sinan Gurkan on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | Hi
Could you please give more information about performance (in comparison to 603 and 604) when running MorphOS ? |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 2 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mark Hone on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | Nice work Ralph and team!
Now, two questions from me as no-one else has commented yet:
[oops - they have now - my comment didn't submit at first!]
1. What is the intended release date for the Pegasos m/b and are there any UK dealers appointed?
2. Will MorphOS be ready to ship with the Pegasos when it is ready?
Cheers and keep up the good work!
Mark |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 3 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by m0ns00n on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (Mark Hone):
MorphOS now has it's own PPC platform. Wonder what this means for the AmigaOne/AOS4? And I wonder if they are to compete? What will happen next. I hope we recieve more information soon, as I don't see what is going on here clearly. Does the morphos team have a go signal from Amiga Inc? Is the pegasos going to run os4? |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 4 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hagiz on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (m0ns00n):
Why would the MorphOS team have to have a go signal from Amiga Inc? MorphOS is an OS independent from Amiga, it has nothing to do with Amiga Inc. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 5 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by m0ns00n on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 4 (hagiz):
Hmm. Interesting :-D
Well, I am still not sure if they are breaking any patents, but if it is true, sent me screenshots etc! :-) I might be interested in this. Just as I am in AROS. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 6 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amifan on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 5 (m0ns00n):
You can consider this message like Pegasos is able to run BE or MACOS. The only differences between MorphOS(TM) and other non amiga OSes is the fact that MorphOS (TM) is able to run 68k amiga software. It's like this Amithlon, no AGA emulation etc..... |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 7 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 5 (m0ns00n):
If they are, then the lawsuits will be flying soon. Try not to get too excited as it's only running on the "development boards"... it may be a while until we see a production board. If an Amiga Inc copyright law is infringed then perhaps Amiga Inc will get a major cash infusion after all :)
One big plus from this news is that it will certainly keep the AmigaOne/OS4.x developers working 25 hours a day to meet the November 1st release date (and Eyetech claim to have that beat already). |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 8 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | | Morphos can also run PPC PUP and WOS software IIRC. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 9 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 6 (Amifan):
Very true, and this is where I see a problem. Not only do we have a potential split between PPC and x86 branches, but now each is faced with a mini-split: PPC users (will) have AmigaOne/OS4.0 and MorphOS, and x86 users (will) have Amithlon and Haage & Partner's AmogaOSXL (putting the advert from AmigActive 24 and the review from issue 23 together). The only similarity between all of these is that they will run retargatable 68k apps and games OK.
Someone desperately needs to get a grip. These competing products can't simply be made to "go away", so what we all need is a competent guiding hand to take us to the expected utopia of OS5.0 and hardware independence. What we don't need is a four-way split, and that is what we have. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 10 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 6 (Amifan):
Actually, that's not quite true AmiFan.
As you already know, MorphOS not only runs all OS3.x-compliant Amiga 68k code, it ALSO runs PowerUp and WarpUp PPC code.
Thus, unlike AmigaOne / AOS4, MorphOS runs virtually all existing OS3.x-compliant code, be it 68k or PPC. Whereas AmigaOne / AOS4 doesn't. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 11 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anonymous on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Bill Hoggett):
that is if AmigaOne ever ships...I've heard that H&P don't even have hardware yet to finish (start) a port or partial port of Amiga OS 3.x to ppc. And this product is supposed to ship by November 1? Ya right. I'll believe it ONLY when I see it.
So, what have H&P done? Come out with an alternate solution (an emulator based on QNX). Personally I don't really blame them. But it looks like it will be out far ahead of Amithlon so I can see Amithlon's sales being crushed.
Then you have the rumours that VMC and Bernie aren't on the greatest terms with Amiga Inc...
Take all of this together and you realize that so much is going on behind the scenes....I think Amiga users, once again, are being taken for a ride.
The only people that have stuck to their guns (from what it seems from the outside) have been the bplan/morphos crew. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 12 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (anonymous):
>>that is if AmigaOne ever ships...I've heard that H&P don't even have hardware yet to finish (start) a port or partial port of Amiga OS 3.x to ppc. And this product is supposed to ship by November 1? Ya right. I'll believe it ONLY when I see it.
You've "heard". Really? From who? Where? Bollocks.
>>Then you have the rumours that VMC and Bernie aren't on the greatest terms with Amiga Inc...
More "heard" rumours??? Wow - I'm glad we have a quality sh1t-stirrer like you to keep us informed about who's sleeping with who. PS - in your expert option using your trusted informants, why did Tom Cruise and Nichole Kidman really split up???
>>Take all of this together and you realize that so much is going on behind the scenes....I think Amiga users, once again, are being taken for a ride.
Oh, ok. We're to take the BS and the rumours together and sumerise that Amiga Inc are giving us the shaft? Thanks for this enlightened deduction. Sherlock Holmes couldn't have come to a better conclusion... NOT.
>>The only people that have stuck to their guns (from what it seems from the outside) have been the bplan/morphos crew.
"Seems from the outside"? You mean you admit you don't know what's happening on the inside???!!! Gosh, why don't you just take a stab in the dark - it's all you really seem to do. Hell, if the worst comes to the worst then just make something up. Oh, you don't want to? Why is that? Blind support for the MorphOS team while slagging off Amiga Inc...
I think we all have something to bring to this discussion, but the best thing you can bring is silence. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 13 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christian on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (anonymous):
>Then you have the rumours that VMC and Bernie aren't on the greatest terms with Amiga Inc...
Ok, so why did they send the CD with the current version at the time to Amiga Inc in the first place? Because this is what was shown at AmiWest (and caused the slight change in direction, as no-one knew this piece of software existed)...
-Christian |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 14 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by anonymous on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (Darrin):
Look, "Darrin". this information comes from Jurgen Haage himself...and my other informations come from highly placed people...so back off. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 15 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ryan E. A. Czerwinski on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Christian):
Say not that no-one knew of the software (other than AI) from VMC before AmiWest. That would be entirely incorrect.
Cheers
-=RC=- |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 16 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Andy Hall on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (anonymous):
And I get all my Amiga info from Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny, not to mention when I go down the pub with Dave Haynie, Bill, Fleecy, Ralph Schmidt, Bill Gates, Linus Torvolds, Bruce Willis, Sadam Hussain (Billy Gates insists on bringing him along), Drew Barrymore, and Nicole Kidman (Tom used to come, but doesn't anymore since the split).
Anyone can post anonymously and claim anything, either prove what you are saying (and who you are) or grow up. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 17 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ian Shurmer on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (Andy Hall):
LOL! Yeah well Jurgen Haage knows far more about the Amiga than Father
Christmas so just BACK OFF!! :) :)
Yet again, people writing under anonymous names and assumes this gives them
right to post whatever crap they want. *sigh*
Ian |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 18 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Brecht on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | Howdy people,
looks like this is gonna be one helluva thread again :o)
In the paste few days I got used to running linux, maybe the rest of you should do the same thing :p
Anyway... what's this H&P x86 AmigaOS rumour now? Can we get some facts please?
Ciao,
Brecht |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 19 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (anonymous):
>>Look, "Darrin". this information comes from Jurgen Haage himself...and my other informations come from highly placed people...so back off.
Tell you what mate, when Jurgen himself posts these remarks with a verifiable IP address then I'll back off. Meanwhile, I refuse to give any credit to annonymous trolls which are simply spreading rumour and misinformation to an already tired, fed up and abused community. Amiga Inc don't just have their reputations on the line with regards to delivering a viable product - they have their whole lives on the line (and mortgaged to the hilt). Other companies like Eyetech, Power Computing, H&P and Software Hut (to name only a few) are practically "charities" trying to keep the classic Amiga alive until the new hardware/OS arrives. If you don't have solid facts then don't bother posting. If you want to spread blantant lies then come out of the shadows and leave a name and address for the lawyers to chase you later. Better still, stand up at an Amiga show and make these allegations in public.
This community doesn't need you or those like you. If you really are "genuine" with your remarks then give us the names of the people who make these claims along side your own, and be prepared to provide some hardcopies to go along with them. What exactly did Jurgen say to you (word for word) and (if he even said it) when? As OS4.x is being developed on "existing" (Phase5/DCE) hardware, I'm sure that H&P have had no problems in coding for the new OS. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 20 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Brecht):
>>what's this H&P x86 AmigaOS rumour now? Can we get some facts please?
Facts???!!! On this thread???!!! Do me a favour :) |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 21 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by gz on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | What on earth is some of this hostility towards morphos and pegasos?!?
At least those products do exist and work, and hopefully will be on
sale soon...
Something which cannot be said about amigaone/aos4.0
There seems to be ppl around who think that if it doesent read AMIGA
in big letters somewhere on the product, it can't be an amiga.
Thats the only way I can explain hostile comments about the
pegasos/morphos alliance.
Even if amigaone will(?!) arrive someday it still wont have anything
to do with amiga any more or less than the pegasos.
They are both totally different hw from the amiga mb's and are
therefore completely new computers. The only difference is that
eyetech and AI cunningly named their product AMIGAone to get eyebrows
raised by loyal amiga users.
The time has come to move on or be stuck forever and I for one am for
moving on. Thats why I welcome pegasos/morphos. They are just one more
alternative.
However I must agree with ppl who see dangers in splitting the
community once again into smaller pieces with different systems and
os's...
Time will tell what will happen but untill then I wish the best of
luck to everyone who is trying to keep the amiga flag up (which is all
thats really left of it, just the name) |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 22 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (anonymous):
Except that H&P don't like to spread rumours of any kind. If you knew some of the background to all this you might realise this.
As for a fallout between the Amithlon authors and Amiga Inc, I doubt anything of the sort has happened. There was always going to be some discussion about contractual and technical details, so disagreements would be normal. I'm certainly not aware of any blowout.
Will AmigaOSXL come out before Amithlon? Who knows, but it's worth remembering that H&P need a license from Amiga Inc just as the Amithlon does.
Anyway, my comment was about splitting the market even further, not about who is better than whom. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 23 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 15 (Ryan E. A. Czerwinski):
Yes indeed. LOTS of people knew about it, in relative terms. The knowledge wasn't in the public domain, that's all. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 24 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
See AmigActive issue 24, released yesterday. Page 21 has a full page colour advert from H&P regarding the AmigaOSXL, so that's a fact.
The connection with the emulator previewed by AmigActive in issue 23 and the rumours that it is based on QNX are mere conjecture, but how far out do you think?
However, it is worth noting that the URL given in the advert leads to a restricted page, so perhaps release and deatils aren't as imminent as our anonymous friend thinks.
One interesting thing to note is that the advert also promises a "Web Browser with SSL, JavaScript, Java, Macromedia Flash-Player, MPEG-Player and RealAudio-Player". Hmmmmm...... |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 25 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | I seriously doubt that H&P have gotten very far porting AmigaOS to
PPC, but what do I know? You can't prove a negative and I don't see
the point of even trying in this case. Of course it would be sad if
MorphOS died becaue everybody hanged around waiting for something that
never materialized, but I think that threat is nothing compared to
that of another major split with hostilities all around.
I wish H&P and everyone else the best of luck of producing something
either by November or anytime, and whether I will buy it or not
depends on one thing.. whether it fits my purposes or not. It really
does not matter that much to me *as a customer* who hates who and who
used a dishonest argument three years ago. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 26 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (Bill Hoggett):
Thanks for that info Bill - it's the first I've heard of it... time to subscribe to Amiga Active. As I'm 30 minutes helicopter flight from the nearest dry land, perched ontop of an oilrig, is there any chance you would scan that article and email it to me? Cheers. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 27 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ehaines on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
> As you already know, MorphOS not only runs all OS3.x-compliant Amiga
> 68k code, it ALSO runs PowerUp and WarpUp PPC code.
>
> Thus, unlike AmigaOne / AOS4, MorphOS runs virtually all existing
> OS3.x-compliant code, be it 68k or PPC. Whereas AmigaOne / AOS4
> doesn't.
This is blatantly false. Eyetech specifically said AmigaOne *WILL*
run existing WarpUp PPC code, and yes you can look this up in the
AmigaOne mailing list if you so desire. By extension, because of
the PowerUp emulation library, it will also run most PowerUp PPC
code.
So both MorphOS and OS4 will run virtually all existing OS3.x-
compliant code. OS4 will have somewhat better WarpUp compatibility,
MorphOS will have somewhat better PowerUp compatibility.
The problems will come from MorphOS *specific* programs, or OS4
*specific* programs, which will not run on the other OS. 68K or
Warp/PowerUp PPC stuff will be pretty much compatible with both. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 28 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ehaines on 29-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Johan Rönnblom):
> I seriously doubt that H&P have gotten very far porting AmigaOS to
> PPC, but what do I know?
Nothing, the same as the rest of us who aren't actually involved.
You can believe that OS4 hasn't even been started yet, or you can
believe that H&P ported the OS to PPC years ago but Gateway stopped
them from releasing it. Both rumors have equal credibility at this
point. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 29 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mike on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (Bill Hoggett):
"One interesting thing to note is that the advert also promises a "Web Browser with SSL, JavaScript, Java, Macromedia Flash-Player, MPEG-Player and RealAudio-Player". Hmmmmm...... "
Is that not the standard QNX web browser, also known as "Voyager" ? I remember playing in QNX and the browser had all the mntioned features of above. Maybe they will just re-work the GUI a little? |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 30 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Gothic on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | "Eyetech specifically said AmigaOne *WILL*
run existing WarpUp PPC code, and yes you can look this up in the
AmigaOne mailing list if you so desire. By extension, because of
the PowerUp emulation library, it will also run most PowerUp PPC
code."
My only question on this thread : will it run Ifusion and Shogo with the same warp up libs ?
I've heard there was some problems concerning powerpc allignment so 2 different
warpos libs were needed ? |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 31 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alcemyst on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (gz):
Amiga HW is just a name given to a bunch of chips on a PCB.
if the amiga had not been made untill now, the chips on the PCB would be compleatly different.
& you would'nt be able to say , THATS NOT AN AMIGA as you would'nt know what an amiga was as it was not invented untill now.
Amiga.Inc can make what ever SW they like & call it what ever they like as long as the name is not owned by another company.
the Os dont have to be anything like what we are used to...to be called AmigaOs its totally up to Amiga.inc.
Amiga.Inc Make a new Os from scratch. it would be logical for them to call it AmigaOs.
they can also call what ever HW they put together or get some other to do so an AmigaOne.
like BMW can make a new car & it could look nothing like the BMW's we are used to seeing & still have every
Right to call it a BMW.
now it would be upto you if you go along with the NEW stuff or not. BUT you can not claim that AmigaOne is not an
Amiga. that is up to Amiga.inc....but yes you can say that its not like the old amiga cos it aint its the new Amiga.
what if i said that the A1200 is not an Amiga cos the first amiga did not Have AGA in it.
Hey thats not an amiga, amiga dont have AGA in them...CBM what are you trying to pull here?
& hey you there with the A4000 thats not a true amiga cos the A1200 is & it dont have a Buster chip ?
SO stop telling ppl who want to go with what Amiga.Inc are doing thats it not the true way.
as we already know cos its the New way like it or not.
i dont know the true facts but look at windows i bet its nothing like it was when it first came out.
WindowsXP is called WindowsXP cos MS want to call it so. even tho its nothing like windows years ago
& you dont get ppl moaning about it cos most ppl think it better in someway.
if humams evolv to have 4 hands & 3 feet in 10000 years time we will still be called humans untill we decide not to
be called so.
now the Pegasos is a nice modo if it will run AmigaOs 4 & up then all the better.
but if it cant then it is not an Zico or an AmigaOne compatable modo,computer,
so cant be included if the Amiga compatable range.
MorphOs is MorphOs it not AmigaOs.
so if you go the Pego & Morpho way then thats fine, but dont claim that you have an Amiga zico or AmigaOne compatable
computer or PPC AmigaOs. as you will have a Pego mobo & PPCMorphOs that can run some Amiga apps.
An Amiga Emulator on the Mac or PC can run amiga apps but it dont turn them into amigas.
so there will be i hope new AmigaOs & AmigaHW & they will be what Amiga.Inc decides they are.
sorry for the dis-jointed reply. as i could not cut & paste the parts i was replying to :) |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 32 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Elwood on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | Pegasos/Bplan versus Amiga/H&P/Eyetech: 1-0
Is it football ? Ehmm, will it turn to boxing ? |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 33 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by José on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | YES SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT IT...
Who said H&P are the only ones working in AOSPPC? Hyperion are making the 3D API, wich will rock. Some group of people (amiga said they had one of the best team in audio) are making the audio support of the OS. A new file system will be made, that will be so much more faster then the current FFS. A new TCP/ICP stack is being written...
THIS INFO IS FROM INTERVIEWS, BUT YOU GUYS SEEM TO EAT TO MUCH CHEESE.
AND WHAT'S THAT TALK ABOUT AOS4.X NOT RUNNING WOS/PWRUP SOFTWARE? BULLSHIT AS HAPPENS EVERYTIME WE HAVE MORPHOS RELATED STUFF HERE.
HEY WHERE'S THE FLASH ROM INFO OF THE CYBERSTORM/BLIZZARD? MORPHOS TEAM DOESN'T WANT TO SUPPORT YOU THEY JUST WANT TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES... SEE MY MIDDLE FINGER? BYE... I'M OUTTA HERE |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 34 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by TimeWillTell on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | I find it to be very interesting, this battle to carry the Amiga spirit forward.
I know this if AMIGA INC. fails the entire Amiga movement will die. If Bill
hadn't purchased Amiga from Gateway, we wouldn't even be having these discussions.
The few million dollars that Bill paid kept us all in hope. The next thing you
know we have everybody trying to go their own way. It is beginning to appear
this dissension is in fact going to tear down all of the work that everybody has
done.
I have to trust that Ralph could not in good conscience make a deal with Bill
and that his efforts are the only avenue that he felt was open to him. I don't
know him, but I certainly respect the work that he has done. However, I will
once again say that if Amiga doesn't survive then nobody will, at least not as
Amigans. Product identity for Amiga does exist. What will the survivors be
called? Morphs? Now there is a brand recognition icon for you.
Oh well I am just frustrated by all this stuff, and after all only
TimeWillTell |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 35 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (Darrin):
>in your expert option using your trusted informants,
>why did Tom Cruise and Nichole Kidman really split up???
>
I think it was because of some differences in relationship
to scientology? O:-) |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 36 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (Alcemyst):
I think you made your point clear, but I beg to differenciate between a true Amiga
and other Amiga labeled things - e.g. a "BMW" labeled Bike doesn't make it a true BMW as
we all know (I hope). And no, I don't mean the socks, boxers oder Amiga watches... ;^)
>
>now the Pegasos is a nice modo if it will run AmigaOs 4 & up then all the better.
>but if it cant then it is not an Zico or an AmigaOne compatable modo,computer,
>so cant be included if the Amiga compatable range.
>
Pegasos is Zico because it complies to the specs.
It would be AmigaONE if bplan would license the name and work together with AInc to get
their OS running on the HW.
>
>MorphOs is MorphOs it not AmigaOs.
>
True, but the idea and only use of MorphOS will be to run AmigaOS (at first).
>
>so if you go the Pego & Morpho way then thats fine, but dont claim that you have an
>Amiga zico or AmigaOne compatable computer or PPC AmigaOs.
>
Well, its (Zico) specs are according to AInc's wishes for AmigaONE computers, are
they not? I do not see where there should be any incompatibilities hardware wise.
As for PPC AmigaOS...Exec and the performance critical parts are native - does it
make MorphOS a PPC AmigaOS? At least they cannot claim the name, but you get the idea. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 37 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (José):
>Hyperion are making the 3D API, wich will rock.
>
If you say so...
>
>Some group of people (amiga said they had one of the best team in audio) are making
>the audio support of the OS.
>
What is this mystery audio workgroup?
Did AInc hire some guys from Creative?
>
>A new file system will be made, that will be so much more faster then the current FFS.
>
Oh well, then it will be numerous times faster than MorphOS PPC SFS I bet. ;-)
>
>A new TCP/ICP stack is being written...
>
And you are sure it will be better or easier than MiamiDeluxe?
>
>[Rant about Flashrom]
>
I do not get the point. DCE owns the PowerUP hardware bought from Phase5. Maybe
they can make a new FlashROM if there are problems? |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 38 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kent Seaton on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | There is a common swell of hope in the Amiga community on both sides of the fence. While Amiga users who have the top of the line setups yearn even for just a hint more speed or more applications while those who do not have an Amiga per say are chomping at the bit to really feel the power beneath their fingers again (I know I am). This same aroma of Amiga in the commonplace is not to far from the same feelings of MorphOS developers and their hopes for the bPlan success. I believe it is this common ground which all of the Amiga communities will reunite over, there is no question about it.
Many people who support MorphOS will state the ideas follow the original Amiga dream before Gateway sucked the life out of us all. Many others still will claim anything with the AmigaOS as an Amiga and follow true to the WarpOS movement. While these avenues exist, we can't forget this will never be the last because we all know the Amiga spirit will never die.
Regardless of the current situations in the multitude of Amiga communities, the future of the idea we know as Amiga all boils down to one word, Hope.
I wish bPlan & MorphOS the best of success in the years ahead. Having worked at Gateway in the past and many conversations with Bill McEwen I have chosen to follow OS4 with H&P's WarpOS. By no right do I have to claim any bad marks on the efforts of bPlan or MorphOS for my decisions. So I ask any of those opposed to one or the other (or even one that has yet to be) to let the dead horse lie, it has been beaten enough.
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Kent Seaton
Public Relations - Amiga.org |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 39 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (Mike):
This emulator is for PC right ?
Well, H&P should consider this thing : there's already some really good web browsers for Windows which run on the same hardware and with more features.
This emulator mania is null and void... |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 40 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (José):
What a well-reasoned argument there!
</sarcasm>
You really do need to chill out, dude. Calm down before you burst a blood vessle or something... |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 41 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Sinan Gurkan on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | Hi
I guess BPlan will want to sell as much boards as possible...
I think they won't turn down AmigaInc when AmigaOS 4.2 is ready...
More OS pegasos supports, more customers and more money for Bplan... |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 42 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Thomas Frieden on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (gz):
> At least those products do exist and work, and hopefully will be on
> sale soon...
> Something which cannot be said about amigaone/aos4.0
Uh, as soon as you can actually *buy* a product, it does exists. If you can't buy it, it's just as vapor as anything else.
So, can you buy a Pegasos now ? No ?
Regards, Thomas |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 43 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
Assuming you WANT to run Windows, of course. However, some people are sick and tired of Windows (and they will be even sicker come XP in October) and would like to run something else. Amigans (and some ex-amigans) would like to run AmigaOS, it's that simple. As such a fully featured browser would be nice, but I doubt the one mentioned in the advert was for AmigaOS anyway.
What is it with some people who assume that everyone with an x86 PREFERS to run Windows? I run 5 (that's "five") operating systems on my PC, including AmigaOS via Amithlon, and I never go back to Windows just to browse the Web, or read mail, or do FTP, or print, or...
I DO go back to play games, but that's only because I can't get the same games at the same price for the other platforms. Oh for the day of binary compatibility, eh? |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 44 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (Thomas Frieden):
Well, there's vapour and there's vapour. In other words, there are vapour products which exist but are as yet unreleased, and there are vapour products which don't exist at all, except for the hype.
I'll let the reader decide which products belong in which category... |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 45 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by trizt on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Bill Hoggett):
Comment to Bill(9):
The split is really old, begun with introduction of warpup/warpos.
I see MorphOS as the spearhead to which H&P should have tried to attach, but I guess the old split still is holding a firm grip over those guys and we won't see any unified way for a PowerPC Amiga future. Don't forget that MorphOS was giving us hope for PPC Amiga when Gateway talked about x86 based solution only.
Comment to Bill(20:
I don't think H&P would afford to base a future warp-thinggy on both Amiga and QNX, and even if QNX is free it's not open when it comes to the kernel, so it's more or less just something taken from the air.
Comment to Darrin(7):
When it comes to lawsuites, nothing that Amiga nor Gateway can do, as (at least as far as I know), you can only see MorphOS AmigaOS compatbility as a emulation of AmigaOS. If this would make it possible to sue one, then Windows would already have done that with the people behind bocha, wine and so one, while Apple had gone against Fusion, iFusion, AMax.
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I hope that we will soon have a MorphOS/bplan combo, as this will be a more professional feel and look than what H&P products have been, atleast when it comes to AmigaOS upgrades. I can't say anything else than that the AmigaOne just feels like a temporaty solution and addon (I know it can be run alone too) for the classic amigas. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 46 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (José):
"J" == "José" writes:
J> HEY WHERE'S THE FLASH ROM INFO OF THE CYBERSTORM/BLIZZARD?
Someone please explain what the hell do you want to do with
this flash rom info. There is nothing that you can do with it
that you can't do without, except making your card unusable.
If you want to override its contents, that's easy, just use
an empty resident module with the same name and a higher
version number. This is what is done for blizzards+warpup,
and this works fine. You need an extra reboot, but who cares,
you need it for 3.5/3.9 anyway.
J> MORPHOS
J> TEAM DOESN'T WANT TO SUPPORT YOU THEY JUST WANT TO SUPPORT
J> THEMSELVES...
The hardware informations about the ppc cards belong to DCE.
DCE has nothing to do with MorphOS. The contents of the flashrom
belongs to Ralph Schmidt, but since this is what you want to
get rid of, you don't need to know it, right ?
Anyway, it would be a bad idea to give those specs.
Sensible people wouldn't hack with them anyway, since if you
do one mistake, you make your card unusable and have to send
it to DCE for reflash. And no matter how careful you are,
software never work at first try, especially with this kind
of low level stuff.
J> SEE MY MIDDLE FINGER? BYE... I'M OUTTA HERE
Good. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 47 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Brecht on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (José):
>YES SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT IT...
Oh boy, it's him again
>Who said H&P are the only ones working in AOSPPC? Hyperion are making the 3D >API, wich will rock.
Rock? It's not gonna be faster then OpenGL or D3D for windows or something. Speed mostly depend on the drivers for your 3D hardware anyways.
>Some group of people (amiga said they had one of the best team in audio) are
>making the audio support of the OS.
Of course they say that, it's marketing.
We're gonna get a new sound API? What's wrong with AHI?
>A new file system will be made, that will be so much more faster then the
>current FFS.
Why re-invent the wheel yet again? SFS and PFS3 are as good as filesystems get.
>A new TCP/ICP stack is being written...
What's wrong with Miami or AmiTCP/Genesis?
All this 'new' stuff will only create more incompatibilities
>THIS INFO IS FROM INTERVIEWS, BUT YOU GUYS SEEM TO EAT TO MUCH CHEESE.
> AND WHAT'S THAT TALK ABOUT AOS4.X NOT RUNNING WOS/PWRUP SOFTWARE? BULLSHIT
> AS HAPPENS EVERYTIME WE HAVE MORPHOS RELATED STUFF HERE.
whuh?
>HEY WHERE'S THE FLASH ROM INFO OF THE CYBERSTORM/BLIZZARD? MORPHOS TEAM
>DOESN'T WANT TO SUPPORT YOU THEY JUST WANT TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES... SEE MY
>MIDDLE FINGER? BYE... I'M OUTTA HERE
Doesn't want to support? How about Amiga Inc. start showing some support (or even respect) for the MorphOS and AROS teams?
Salut,
Brecht |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 48 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by StAn on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
Web browsers on Windows might display the pages better, and interpret javascript & java correctly, but appart from that, they just suck.
AFAIAC. |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 49 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 47 (Brecht):
> Rock? It's not gonna be faster then OpenGL or D3D for windows or something.
> Speed mostly depend on the drivers for your 3D hardware anyways.
You don't know anything about our work, so please don't make any statements about it, Okay? |
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| MorphOS runs on BPlan System : Comment 50 of 99 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by gz on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (Thomas Frieden):
Hmmm so that means as freespace cannot be bought yet, it must be just
thin air too? ;)
Just teasing, I got your point :)
Anyway I guess debates like these simply happen because we have to
rely on the information that is given to us via "salesmen speech" on
AI/eytech&Bplan/morphos websites...
That is where I got my info from and that is why I expressed my own
thoughts about it in public. However my opinion never was intended to
be the opinion of others, it's just from my perspective. |
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