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[News] AmigaXL for QNXANN.lu
Posted on 31-Aug-2001 11:30 GMT by Christian Kemp69 comments
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Solar (BAUD) wrote: The latest issue of German Amiga Plus magazine carries an article about an Amiga emulator based on QNX, to be sold by Haage & Partner. Follow the link to the (not yet active) product homepage.

So now we know what that "mystery emulator" (aside from Amithlon) was about.

I cannot keep myself from wondering, why do things we waited years for always reach market from several sources at once (PCI boards, fast emulators...)?
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 1 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Tinman (193.62.35.189) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
Conspiracy theory 101 would suggest that the reason no-one releases things and then three come along at once is because the vendors are happy to squeeze all the money they can out of the Amiga hardware market. No one sells PCI busboards because they'd lose money on 150GBP Virge graphics cards. No emulators for PCs because then no-one buys the 060 and PPC accelerators. As soon as someone comes along who has no interest in any of those other things, and can afford to sell e.g. PCI boards or emulators, then everyone else rushes to release them, not wanting to lose more money.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 2 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) (212.149.48.44) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Tinman):
Sounds reasonable. But I like the idea of this emulator package - gives me the opportunity to continue supporting AmigaOS as well as having a look into QNX...
(If theyīd only support my Kyro II gfx card, seems like I have to continue using my laptop for Linux / QNX / AmigaXL... :-( )
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 3 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Kent Seaton (64.216.140.107) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
It's possible this AmigaOS XL is something more than just an emulator. After looking at the source and a few of the other pages available through doctype directory structure, this may be the full IDE Amiga was talking about with H&P. To quote a section from the meta tags 'content="Integrated Development Environment (IDE) with CVS for QNX, Linux, Amiga, AmigaDE"'. Also, check out the /graphics/ section, there's an "Amiga Certified" (http://www.amigaxl.haage-partner.de/graphics/amiga_certified_small.jpg) image in there. This whole thing is perplexing but if it is to be the IDE spoken about... COOL!
This is pure speculation, no rumor starting please.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 4 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (154.32.107.70) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kent Seaton):
Fairly meaty speculation too. :)
Just as an add-on, let's not forget that the stuff you see in magazines is already "old news" - in the sense that magazines need to be submitted for printing etc some weeks before they actually appear.
As for the Web page, since it is restricted access, I'd say anything you find there matches Hyperion's "vapour" definition. :)
Let's all wait for some official announcements, shall we? So far, H&P have made no announcements whatsoever.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 5 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Hone (194.193.224.98) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Hoggett):
... apart from a full-page advertisement in the lastest issue of Amiga Active
Cheers,
Mark
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 6 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (154.32.107.70) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mark Hone):
You'll probably find that was booked a long time ago, maybe as long ago as before or around the AmiWest show. Lots of things have happened since then, and the URL in the advert only goes to a restricted access site, doesn't it?
I really think we should wait for some CURRENT announcements. Trust me.. :)
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 7 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Jari Pakarinen (194.203.68.46) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mark Hone):
Hi,
What was the URL in the advertisement ?
Jari
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 8 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (154.32.105.82) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Jari Pakarinen):
Teehee... looks like they finally realised that people were trying to access the page as put something there. It's no loger restricted, but it doesn't say anything either, except the name. :)
http://amigaxl.haage-partner.de
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 9 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Luca (24.216.218.10) on 30-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Bill Hoggett):
Found on the source:
<meta name="description" content="AmigaXL - Very fast Amiga emulation running on QNX">
<meta name="abstract" content="AmigaXL - Very fast Amiga emulation running on QNX">
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 10 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Dr Ryan E. A. Czerwinski (24.221.102.61) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
I won't comment too muc, as I want to keep quiet, but:
In my usage, AmigaOS XL is very fast, and is a really nice product. I ahve had a few problems, bytut they may be heat realted (PentiumIII-1GHz, purchased for the use of AmigaOS XL ONLY, as I don't personally care for X86.)
The product is very well presented, and is a blitz to install (Install took about 10 minutes, which is more thna I can say for 3.9 on my 4000T/PPC).
I await a review sample of VMC's product so that I may compare them for myslef. In the mean while, I must say that AmigaOS-XL is a very interesting item.
Cheers,
RC.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 11 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Dr Ryan E. A. Czerwinski (24.221.102.61) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Solar (BAUD)):
It may be supported int he latest QNX distro. You may want to check on it, or send an e-mail to the QNX software tem.
TTFN/RC
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 12 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen (213.237.39.227) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
As far as i understand, this is no more than UAE-JIT for QNX wrapped in some nice package. And will nowhere near aproach the speed of the Amithlon.
other points to be made is:
Amithlon dont need another Host os, it has a very highly optimized 68k jit compiler (AmigaosXL uses the standard jit version from uae-jit), Amithlon have direct hardware access, it can use amiga formated harddrives, and have a better implementation for running x86 code native under AOS.
All in all this 'new' thing from h&p looks very ordinary.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 13 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n (62.238.70.235) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Lasse Bodilsen):
And before anyone starts commenting on this. Having a linux kernel is not having a host os. Just have to be sure the low iq people won't misunderstand.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 14 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (62.254.64.5) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (m0ns00n):
I'm not clear why a QNX kernel + drivers is a host OS, while a Linux
kernel + drivers isn't.
But what matters is,
1. Which has the most drivers?
2. Which runs the most Amiga programs?
3. Which runs Amiga software fastest?
I bet these don't all have the same answer. We'll know by Easter.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 15 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (62.6.73.62) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
Much sooner, you have my word on that. Either way, the answers will come shortly.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 16 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall (62.7.42.6) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
A couple of questions open for debate:-
1) Why are H&P Fluffing about with this when they are supposed to be working with Amiga Inc. on OS4
2) Why did Amiga Inc. not choose this one instead? It appears they would have known about this one before (Amiga Active certainly did), then why didn't they choose to licence it (there are lots of people I know who say that H&P controls the classic market, this would prove them wrong), is AmigaOSx86 better than AmigaOSXL?
Discuss ;-)
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 17 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.83.35) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
And:
4. Which one is cheapest/free?
If the only purpose is to run an amiga emulator, the price will be a significant question ...
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 18 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen (213.237.39.227) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
lets ask Dr Ryan E. A. Czerwinski:
this emulator from h&p, does i boot directly into AOS, or do i have to boot into QNX first and from there launche the emulator, and boot into AOS?
i havent testet AmigaXL, but from what i have read, there is nothing in this product, that would impress anyone.
maybe someone could fill me in, on what the advantage this product might have over a standard Winuae-jit setup?
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 19 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (213.123.39.140) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Andy Hall):
Can't.
...yet.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 20 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Luca (24.216.218.10) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
Anybody thought that it could be the official name for Amithlon?
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 21 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler (217.228.213.148) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Luca):
No, it isn't according to Juergen Haage. It's a new emulator and to
quote Juergen Haage: "At the end the user will decide if he choses our
or Amiga's emulator."
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 22 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (62.6.64.228) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Luca):
You MIGHT be excused for hoping so. :)
However, you only need to have a read at the German threads in amiga-news.de to see that it isn't. (Mr Nerding - who is the "Partner" in Haage & Partner - says quite clearly that they chose QNX to run their product on. Amithlon has nothing at all to do with QNX, trust me.)
Of course, if H&P were to give us the best of both worlds: the performance, stability and features of Amithlon and the extras they plan to deliver with XL, then I for one wouldn't give a fsck what they decided to call it. :)
What I`m not interested in is a latter day variation on the Amiga Forever theme.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 23 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen (213.237.39.227) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
That really aint much of a choise.
Amithlon is by far the best product, acording to the recent reading ive been doing. so unless H&P pulls something more out of the hat than a simple port of UAE-JIT to QNX, it aint that difficult to choose.
Time will tell, and when there is done a good non subjective review of both products, it should be pretty clear to everyone, which product is the best.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 24 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht (212.100.181.170) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Lasse Bodilsen):
Wtf is up with these rumours, partial information and more rumours?
Do all Amiga companies get a kick from confusing us? IS it that hard to make a clear statement on something? I think we have the right to know.
And there's no need for mysterious advertisements either.
All we want to know are some facts.
Does AmigaXL have an x86-native-code API like amithlon btw? Will this be yet another amigaos fork? It is just a lame scheme tomake AmigaOS users switch to QNX?
I (and prolly alot of other people) are tired of this
Brecht
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 25 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by HammerD (24.42.253.120) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Andy Hall):
Because they are tired of waiting to get real AmigaOne hardware to finish the Amiga OS port? AFAIK they don't have any working AmigaOne hardware yet.
Companies need new product to stay alive. Also perhaps they realize the size of the X86 market and how many former amiga users have fast X86 machines already...
HammerD
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 26 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler (217.228.216.171) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Lasse Bodilsen):
Hm, the AmigaActive advert says: "virtual memory for the whole
AmigaOS" (see amiga.org), it looks like a mix of an emulator and a
port of the AmigaOS to x86. If virtual memory was only available for
new developed software (for the new emulator) than the rest of the OS
wouldn't have VM. Sounds good.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 27 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (62.6.88.56) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (David Scheibler):
It runs on QNX. QNX has virtual memory, therefore the emulator will use virtual memory, for the entire OS. Nothing really ground breaking there, and certainly no memory protection within AmigaOS.
It's amazing that an advert saying so little can imply so much more than it actually offers.
I suggest people do a Babel-fish read of the rather lengthy thread in the German section of amiga-news.de. Or better still, read it yourself, assuming you can speak German. :)
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 28 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler (217.80.229.216) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Bill Hoggett):
Well, that every single AmigaOS 3.x application can use VM *is*
ground-breaking ;-)
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 29 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (213.123.64.166) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (David Scheibler):
Yes, I know what you mean. :)
The trouble is that there are also some caveats which offset that advantage, but which I will not discuss until the final announcements are made.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 30 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Mulvihill (203.32.93.6) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Lasse Bodilsen):
Once you see Amithlon in action you will want to buy it. It's speed is amazing
plus I like the idea of building a new PC minus hardrives and moving my Amiga
harddrives into the box and booting straight into Amiga :-)
From what Burnie said at the demo of Amithlon (for our user group), Amithlon is
almost twice as fast as the H&P emulator and Burnie should know. He did write
the JIT code for UAE.
It remains to be seen if it will actually be published by Amiga.Inc. It seems
they are dragging their feet when it comes to the actual negotiations (money).
However there are others interested in publishing and are just waiting for
Amiga In. to fumble the ball.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 31 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd Meyer (130.194.226.132) on 31-Aug-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (David Scheibler):
No. What "virtual memory for the whole AmigaOS" means is that you can set the emulated Amiga to have up to 256MB of memeory (or really 256+8+2 or so), and if your machine doesn't have enough, then QNX will swap.
That's something every version of UAE has always done (and something which, in contrast, Amithlon does not do, because in Amithlon, it's AmigaOS that controls the memory, not the underlying kernel). The only thing H&P have added is the option of *disabling* that functionality (which is just one call to "mlockall()"; Calling that function simply tells the OS to always keep everything in real RAM). It wouldn't be quite fair to say the feature took more lines in the ad than in the source code, but it wouldn't be too far off.....
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 32 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by NoIdea (193.251.33.168) on 01-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
QNX might be a good OS, no comment on that. But would it support as much as hardware than an emu on linux basis?
Maybe they want to make QNX a bigger part in the AmigaOS than we think?
Java/JS/Flash web browser? In the AmigaOS? How?
It always amazed me when someone came up with something a few time later, maybe coincidence. Then the same incompatible issue thing suddenly came in.
Graphic API, WarpUP/PowerUP, PCI/PCI/PCI/PCI/PCI..
Is Amiga heading again on a splitting x86 emulation micro-mini-markets again?
Will a program with x86 components will work on both emulators?
Let me think yes but that would be utopia. So let's hope there will be some nice develloppers kit to avoid headaches.
Because "hardcore" users want it or not. These emulators are more than that. They're the actual missing thing to make us stay in course on modern CPU and add-on. In wait for native solution that could be too late, all my respect to these "emulators" coders that will make my Sony Vaio more useable with it's 32meg ram only ; )
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 33 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett (62.6.73.66) on 01-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (NoIdea):
>QNX might be a good OS, no comment on that. But would it support as much as >hardware than an emu on linux basis?
Debatable. The difference is the way it's handled: XL does the UAE trick and simply uses host OS resources by translation. Therefore it can use anything QNX supports. Amithlon does things the Amiga way, and so needs Amiga-side drivers even when there's Linux driver support built into the kernel. This is more authentic and efficient, but means less initial driver support (the sound issue is a prime example ATM).
There is more Linux support for drivers than there is for QNX, but whether this will translate to the emulators depends on the amount of support each gets from Amiga developers.
>Maybe they want to make QNX a bigger part in the AmigaOS than we think?
>Java/JS/Flash web browser? In the AmigaOS? How?
It only launches from AmigaOS, but actually runs on QNX. I don't think that's a helpful for Amiga developers. (why buy an x86 enhanced version of V if you can just use Voyager or Opera on QNX for free?)
And yes, I have no doubt QSSL see this a way to make another stab at the Amiga user-base via the back door. Seems H&P are willing to play along.
>Is Amiga heading again on a splitting x86 emulation micro-mini-markets again?
It does appear that way at least. I'm sure that's not what H&P have in mind though.
>Will a program with x86 components will work on both emulators?
No.
>Let me think yes but that would be utopia. So let's hope there will be some >nice develloppers kit to avoid headaches.
GCC for QNX, is my guess.
>Because "hardcore" users want it or not. These emulators are more than that. >They're the actual missing thing to make us stay in course on modern CPU and >add-on. In wait for native solution that could be too late, all my respect to >these "emulators" coders that will make my Sony Vaio more useable with it's >32meg ram only ; )
I'm not so sure how cool it is running QNX-RTP on that kind of spec, to be honest. I wouldn't like to run an emulator on top of it, that's for sure.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 34 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Thor Bertelsen (148.122.66.52) on 01-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (David Scheibler):
Well if you take a look at the amigactive ad for Amiga do XL (extra late?)
You will see a general "Coypright Amiga inc * Washington / Haage &+++++++
Maybe ainc looked at this, then came AMiathlon, and Ainc scrapped XL, and H&P got allowed to sell this then?????
Thor
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 35 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by NoIdea (193.253.249.11) on 01-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Thor Bertelsen):
If i remember, Amiga Inc. used to announce QNX as the new kernel sometime ago, no? And then Linux and then Amiga again?
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 36 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Chip (212.92.15.238) on 01-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
emulator!=Amiga
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 37 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) (217.226.117.55) on 01-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
Oh gosh... "emulator != Amiga", "QNX back-stabbing the Amiga user base", "Amithlon being twice as fast as AmigaOS XL"...
1) Both Amithlon and AmigaOS XL will be loads faster than any existing Amiga hardware.
2) IIRC, Amithlon doesnīt support ECS/AGA, and was flamed repeatedly for this. I donīt know any more about XL than you do, but I havenīt read anything so far about it *not* supporting the ECS/AGA chipset. That would be a nice feature indeed.
3) People still seem to stick to names. I tell you frankly, I very much welcome the opportunity to get a look at QNX RTOS first hand. If QNX RTOS delivers while Amiga Inc. fails with OS 5, Iīll be just as happy as with the other way round. Deep down, what we all want is a nice, friendly, fun OS that allows us to use modern hardware while being easy-to-learn, easy-to-maintain, configurable and expandable. Personally, I couldnīt care less if that nameplate reads "QNX RTOS", "AmigaOS 5" or "BeOS" or whatever.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 38 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by HAnk JAnsen (148.122.66.37) on 01-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (NoIdea):
Different companies, different Amigas, history.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 39 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Marcel (216.154.7.224) on 01-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Solar (BAUD)):
Qnx RtP is alright. Hardware support is what hurts it. USB is one that pops to mind.
I tried QNX RtP on a couple systems...
P150, Voodoo III 2000 pci, 64 MB ram, ps2 mouse, sb live, ...
Duron 700, ATI Rage 128, Dexxa ps2 optical mouse, sb live, ... (ATI Rage sold to someone who needed a DVD decoder card and bought Herc 3D Prophet 4000 XT, and mouse changed to m$ intellimouse optical)
On both systems, QNX RtP ran quite well. On the P150, I couldn't play any mpeg videos because it didn't have enough power to support it on rtp. On the Duron, it was quite nice with the ATI video card and the Dexxa ps2 mouse. Not the fastest os in the world, but real consistent. Program launch times are real quick.
As long as you have supported hardware (it doesn't work with my intellimouse and there are no kyro drivers just like in linux), it's quite a nice os. As the basis for a standalone Amiga emulator (+ more), it'll be quite nice IMO.
Anybody thought about the possibility of running AmigaOS XL on something like the compaq iPaq?
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 40 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) (212.149.48.44) on 02-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Marcel):
I doubt the iPaq has the CPU power to feed the hunger of an Amiga emulation. You cannot compare the embedded CPUs to desktop ones - while my HP Jornada packs > 100 MHz, it still needs >30 seconds to display a 200k text (!) file...
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 41 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n (62.238.70.235) on 02-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
QNX is an OK OS at the same level as Linux, BSD and Unix. But it can't possably replace the Amiga OS. I think I remember that it could deliver some similarities to AmigaOS for developers, not sure about that though, but to the user, the OS is just as unixish as all the other *ux variants. You can argue that it does not use the same kernel etc, but the file layout, and the OS structure etc, it is not similar to AmigaOS at all. I installed it several times. It does have a problem with hw, but that is not a main concearn. The main concearn is that it really lacks key software and is not created to desktop use in the first place. It has to be totally rearranged. You'd be best off with Linux and Gnome or KDE. It does the job much better. Try Mandrake 8 and see for yourselves. Linux also has the best UAE anywhere if you want to run old OCS games.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 42 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser (217.2.106.85) on 02-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (m0ns00n):
Hi!
>1) Why are H&P Fluffing about with this when they are supposed to be working >with Amiga Inc. on OS4
This thing does not mean they would NOT work on OS4. Actually when I first
heard about it (which was quite some time ago) I asked H&P about it. I got
the answer that this product would not mean they would not do OS 4. I can
live with that answer, though I am not too happy with another x86 Amiga
thing. But well, it is just an Emulator...
>2) Why did Amiga Inc. not choose this one instead? It appears they would have
Maybe they did not know of the second product ? Or the other guys made a better offer ? Not that I'd really care about which x86-Emulator gets the Amiga-seal.
Both are only x86-Emulators, after all...
Steffen
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 43 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) (212.149.48.44) on 02-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
> QNX is an OK OS at the same level as Linux, BSD and Unix.
As is the Amiga SDK.
> but to the user, the OS is just as unixish as all the other *ux variants.
Cannot comment on that, havenīt had a look under the covers yet myself.
> You can argue that it does not use the same kernel etc, but the file layout,
> and the OS structure etc, it is not similar to AmigaOS at all.
No OS is. I donīt care about the OS structure being similar to AmigaOS 3.x as long as it can be understood, maintained, and modified without having to be a Certified System Administrator and reading tons of books first.
> I installed it several times. It does have a problem with hw, but that is
> not a main concearn.
Lack of drivers hinders every OS until it becomes mainstream.
> The main concearn is that it really lacks key software
dito. Same goes for AmigaOS.
> and is not created to desktop use in the first place.
Just like AmigaOS isnīt designed for network / multiuser use. The key is, how good is QSSL in making up for it?
> You'd be best off with Linux and Gnome or KDE. It does the job much better.
> Try Mandrake 8 and see for yourselves. Linux also has the best UAE anywhere
> if you want to run old OCS games.
I tried RedHat as well as SuSE, and I think that allows me to say that Linux is a royal pain in the backside, even more so than Windows. And try as I might, I couldnīt get Linux UAE to run while Amiga Forever was installed just like that.
I donīt advertise Windows, but it still has several advantages over Linux, intuitivity being one of it. (Rating Linux as a 1 and Windows as a 3, which leaves AmigaOS somewhere around 8 or 9... ;-) )
>> 2) Why did Amiga Inc. not choose this one instead?
> Maybe they did not know of the second product ? Or the other guys made a
> better offer?
Or because Amithlon is based on Linux, and as such doesnīt depend on some (not-free) third party product?
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 44 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (62.254.64.5) on 02-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (David Scheibler):
There have been Virtual Memory utilities available for AmigaOS for
years. My recollection is that they worked with all programs, but some
needed setting up. I remember trying one out with ImageMaster, for
instance.
Now I have plenty of RAM, it's not needed any more. VM is very slow.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 45 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (62.254.64.5) on 02-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Solar (BAUD)):
while my HP Jornada
packs > 100 MHz, it still needs >30 seconds to display a 200k text (!) file...
As compared to less than 2 secs on a 60MHz Amiga using DOpus4.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 46 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Neodym (210.143.129.156) on 02-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Don Cox):
>while my HP Jornada
>packs > 100 MHz, it still needs >30 seconds to display a 200k text (!) file...
>As compared to less than 2 secs on a 60MHz Amiga using DOpus4.
What operating system (*ahem*) does the Jornada run btw.? Shame that even Solar got infected with the "judge-performance-by-MHz"-Virus ...
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 47 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Marcel (216.154.2.13) on 02-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (m0ns00n):
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"QNX is an OK OS at the same level as Linux, BSD and Unix. "
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In some ways yes (mostly only the shell), but in most ways no. QNX is much easier to use, administrate, and set up supported hardware than any Linux out there. Not to mention that installing software on QNX RtP is real simple. Linux has only reached that level (of RtP) recently with the release of Mandrake 8.0.
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"But it can't possably replace the Amiga OS. I think I remember that it could deliver some similarities to AmigaOS for developers, not sure about that though, but to the user, the OS is just as unixish as all the other *ux variants. You can argue that it does not use the same kernel etc, but the file layout, and the OS structure etc, it is not similar to AmigaOS at all."
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Paaleeaaseee. AmigaDOS is unixy. The only reason you think it's easy is that you're used to it.
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"I installed it several times. It does have a problem with hw, but that is not a main concearn. The main concearn is that it really lacks key software and is not created to desktop use in the first place. It has to be totally rearranged."
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RtP is meant as a development environment for developers writing stuff for QNX Neutrino/Photon/... That's what it is right now. There are some who want to extend RtP into the desktop, but that has nothing to do with what RtP is now. It just happens that RtP is pretty good as a desktop environment (on supported hardware).
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"You'd be best off with Linux and Gnome or KDE. It does the job much better. Try Mandrake 8 and see for yourselves."
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I've tried Mandrake 8 (and 7.2). It ran pretty well on my ATI Rage 128 equipped Duron machine. Not as well as windows me ran, and definitely not as snappy/quick as RtP. Linux + X still has plenty of performance issues, plenty more than windows.
I was impressed with Mandrake 8. I don't run it now since I've bought another video card (kyro) and given my old one away to a relative.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 48 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Markus Poellmann (193.159.10.212) on 03-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Lasse Bodilsen):
You can use Amiga Harddrives with AmigaOS XL, too.
Regards.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 49 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Markus Poellmann (193.159.10.212) on 03-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Lasse Bodilsen):
If you like, you can configure your system in a way, that QNX will boot immediately through to AmigaOS XL.
Regards.
AmigaXL for QNX : Comment 50 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Markus Poellmann (193.159.10.212) on 03-Sep-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Andy Hall):
AmigaOS XL is ready since April this year. Everyone who joined my StormC presentation on the St.Louis show, saw AmigaOS XL in action (but didn't know it). Amiga knows of AmigaOS XL since St.Louis.
Regards.
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