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[Forum] HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga MarketANN.lu
Posted on 20-Oct-2001 16:22 GMT by Cyberwlf46 comments
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Despite rumour's the info that they are leaving is to quote Harv is 'utter horseshit'. Fleecy has confirmed that the post was indeed not true. MorphOS people playing sabotage again?
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 1 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Cyberwlf on 20-Oct-2001 14:24 GMT
Further clarification regarding the situation from Fleecy:
"Amiga made it very clear quite a few months ago that
it was taking control of the AmigaOS and its future. H&P
were not pleased about this. They did a good job after
Petro gave it to them, but that was because Gateway wasn't
interested in the AmigaOS - we recognise it as core to
our future success and with that said, there can only be
one captain and one course to steer.
I wish H&P all the best, and hope that they do reconsider
the Amiga market, but be under no illusion, Amiga is
cutting away all that has held the Amiga back, politics,
in fighting, incompatabilities, and is moving it forwards
for the better."
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 2 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2001 14:36 GMT
>MorphOS people playing sabotage again?
Be cautious with throwing dirt at MorphOS people, it does not make you any
better than this clown posting his crap about H&P leaving the Amiga market.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 3 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 20-Oct-2001 14:36 GMT
Have a look at messsage 18 from Juergen Haage!
BTW: with world events being upsetting, whoever posts cruel hoaxes like this
is a really nasty piece of work.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 4 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Cyberwlf on 20-Oct-2001 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Well almost any time some rumour about Amiga Inc seems to happen it comes from someone from that camp. Even though its purely speculation to point the finger, precedence works in my favour there.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 5 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Steve Greenfield on 20-Oct-2001 14:45 GMT
<P>Has <b>ANYONE</b> checked with H&P, or is everyone just rumor-mongering? I just looked around their website <a href="http://www.haage-partner.com">http://www.haage-partner.com</a> and didn't find anything to indicate they are leaving Amiga.
<P>Here is their news page:<br>
<a href="http://www.haage-partner.com/e.htm">http://www.haage-partner.com/e.htm</a>
<P>Just because it is on Amiga.org does -not- mean it is true. It is still possible, but unlikely.
<P>Nothing was on Amiganews.de or Amiga.com websites. Has it occurred to anyone that this could be a hoax designed to cause FUD, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt?
<P>It is very common for Microsoft stooges to get in
forums like Amiga.org and pull crap like this. It says "announced this morning" and this was posted to Amiga.org on Friday, Oct 19th, but no one else has any reference to it, including H&P? Not likely.
<P>Please investigate before fanning the flames!! Even if it turns out to be true, that is beside the point as you and others have repeated it without any corroboration. Please do not contribute to the problem!
<P>BTW, anyone who thinks all conspiracy theories are
just paranoid bunk, needs to go read this:
<a href="http://www.guerrillanews.com/cocakarma/">http://www.guerrillanews.com/cocakarma/</a>
<P>Oh, and paying attention to the news would help, too.
<P>Steve
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 6 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Steve Greenfield on 20-Oct-2001 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Steve Greenfield):
Doh! I'm an idiot... sorry about the HTML. I'd been trying to post that to Amiga.org when it went down this morning and just did a cut and paste.
My apologies.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 7 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 20-Oct-2001 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Cyberwlf):
So at least it is now clear that H&P are not working on OS4 anymore.
It's now even more interesting if Amiga, Inc. can achieve an agreement
about H&P's OS3.9 software contributions which are copyrighted by H&P
(mainly workbench add-ons I think). If they can not they have to
reprogramme most of the stuff H&P already did for OS3.9/5.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 8 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Oct-2001 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (David Scheibler):
Most of them(if not all) are by Olaf Barthel and some other 3rd
parties. It will be easy as pie to get these extensions, Olaf
is already working for them.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 9 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Smithy on 20-Oct-2001 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Cyberwlf):
>Well almost any time some rumour about Amiga Inc seems to happen it comes from >someone from that camp. Even though its purely speculation to point the >finger, precedence works in my favour there.
Ralph always posts under his own name so it couldn't have been him. He has no reason to spread false rumours that will be rebuked in no time and make him look bad. I think it was more likely someone who wanted to cause trouble for MorphOS.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 10 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 20-Oct-2001 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
So what about WarpUp...?
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 11 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 20-Oct-2001 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Smithy):
What it really turns out to be is more crap that we swallowed, hook, line and sinker.
Our news sources need to do better fact checking and tighten up moderation on their dynamic websites, so we don't have another thing like this happen again.
Oh yeah: I swallowed it hook, line and sinker as well. Why? Because I trusted the news source. Make of that what you will.
As for those who will undoubtedly take no end of potshots at Mr. moss, in their usual reflexive, dysfunctional manner, for his post in this dogpile, I suggest some traumatic combat proctology, utilizing said potshots as their primary surgical tool. Once again, this "went live" on a trusted source, where the assumption of at least *some* fact-checking and story confirmation is assumed.
While I am not attempting to white-wash fleecy, I would suggest that there is more than enough blame to go around, in this latest of sordid affairs.
So much for the old saw, regarding the word "assume".
-skal
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 12 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 20-Oct-2001 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Smithy):
I would submit that every sub-camp of the Amiga Diaspora has more than it's fair share of drooling, mouth-breathing idiots who seem to think that they are striking a brave and audacious blow for their "side" by pulling something sordid like this hoax.
I can say that the company that I work for, as well as some of the people who work with said company, have received no end of phonecalls, at both the office or at home, that strain the bounds of credulity. Some people out there who, sadly, call themselves "Amigans" are Bull Goose Looney. Bad crazy. Certifiable.
Others are just misfits, for whom this sort of thing represents their heights of humor.
Look, at the end of the day, we need to get this thing tightened up, or we will succeed in nothing but being one of the bigger running jokes in the tech industry.
Is there not some way that we can firewall ourselves from these wankers?
-skal
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 13 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 20-Oct-2001 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Skal Loret):
> Our news sources need to do better fact checking and tighten up moderation on
> their dynamic websites, so we don't have another thing like this happen
> again.
Things are not that easy.
1) do better fact checking
ANN is currently run by just one person. Christophe moved to the US, and right now I'm not sure if he's still on the team (I'm pretty bad at keeping in touch with people over email). I work fulltime, and attend evening courses four days a week, three hours each. I spend about 100 minutes a day commuting. There is just no time to research any story that is posted. Especially not since right now, advertising on ANN barely pays for hosting and connectivity. Finding trustworthy moderators isn't easy. First of all, because many people like reading news, but only few are prepared to contribute. Secondly, because in most cases I cannot verify if a potential candidate should be trusted, since I neither know their names, nor their involvement into the Amiga scene (they would need to be fairly impartial, ie. not favourise any solution over another, etc.).
2) tighten up moderation
The same statements from the first paragraph apply: my time is limited, and only few people are willing to moderate.
For ANN's future, I have something in mind that resembles kuro5hin or metafilter's moderation techniques, but no code has been written yet.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 14 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Oct-2001 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Christian Kemp):
I could do it, whenever I got free time (I do have lot's of it).
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 15 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 20-Oct-2001 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (David Scheibler):
It is simply untrue that H&P will no longer be working on OS 4.
This is absolute rubbish.
I guess Fleecy assumed that the fake news entry on Amiga.org by this crazed MorphOS fanatic was reality and made his comments in response to that.
H&P will be contributing their 68K emulator, VM solution, OS 3.5/3.9 codebase and further additions to OS 4.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 16 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Keith_Blakemore-Noble on 20-Oct-2001 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben - you do, of course, have proof of who posted the fake nonsense, right?
I mean, you are stating that the idiot is a "MorphOS fanatic" therefore you must know who it is in order to make such a judgement.
Or is this just more fscking mud slinging?
So come on Ben, who was it?
Put up the name, or shut up with the stupid pointless and, indeed, childish "it was a MorphOS fan" crap.
*sigh* I really wish people woudl just GROW UP.
FWIW, I would place my money on it being neither a MorphOS "fanatic" nor an AmigaOS fanatic nor an H&P fanatic. I'd place my money on it being a lame sad **** who simply wants to split the Amiga camps even further - and with the type of comment you have just come out with Ben, you are falling into the lame loser's trap :-(
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 17 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gürkan on 20-Oct-2001 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans
How about a joint announcement about who is working on AmigaOS4 ?
(I am OS4.x TCP/IP-FFS beta-tester)
This would clear the confusion of the people who are waiting for OS4
Btw who is doing Sound update ?
Thanks...
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 18 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 20-Oct-2001 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Keith_Blakemore-Noble):
I am entitled to my opinions.
Freedom of speech also applies to managing partners of one of the last remaining professional Amiga companies.
Have a problem with that Keith?
Let's get real here: there have been documented incidents of people spreading trojans which bombarded H&P with hate-mail and now this "incident".
It seems some people's fervor occassionally spills over into criminal behavior.
Yes, that's right Keith. Hacking is a criminal offense.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 19 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 20-Oct-2001 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Wrong. Fleecy made several comments one of them was that he
doesn't know if that was true and that he has not heard from H&P that
they will leave the Amiga market. The other comment about OS4 has
nothing todo with that rumour/lie.
And I doubt that H&P will contribute anything without a contract.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 20 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 20-Oct-2001 20:48 GMT
Ben: So? What in the world does that have to do with MorphOS?
Track this loser down and you might find out he prefers MorphOS,
AmigaDE, Linux, Windows (statistically most likely) or Atari, but
frankly I don't see why this would matter in any way at all.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 21 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Keith_Blakemore-Noble on 20-Oct-2001 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben - indeed hacking is an offense.
As is libel, you may wish to remember...
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 22 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Keith_Blakemore-Noble on 20-Oct-2001 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
No Ben, I have no problem with "freedom of speech".
However, Ben, surely you realise that "freedom of speech" also carries with
it responsibilitties (as do all freedoms and rights).
Freedom of speech does not grant you the right to throw wild and unproven
accusations at your competitors, for example, Ben.
Yes, you have freedom of speech, but you also have a duty to consider what
you say before saying it.
Your implication that MorphOS is somehow implicated in the hacking of
Amiga.org or the spreading of malicious lies about H&P does you zero credit.
Yes, there have been morons who have launched attacks on H&P. But, Ben, H&P
are far from the only company ever to have been attacked. ALL parties in
the Amiga arena have been attacked and subject to lies in the past - AInc,
H&P, MorphOS, Merlancia, bPlan, the lost goes on.
Now, unless you have proof of who the moron behind this latest attack is
(and if you did then you would already be taking legal action, and thus
unable to make your baseless speculations here), then you do not know who it
was, let alone what their agenda is.
Therefore, your baseless assertion that those connected with MorphOS in some
way are directly responsible is completely unfounded, Ben.
Hell, it could be someone who is completely anti-Amiga, stirring things up
(and, by the look of the reactions round here, doing a bloody good job of it
sadly).
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 23 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 20-Oct-2001 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Keith_Blakemore-Noble):
>Yes, there have been morons who have launched attacks on H&P. But, Ben, >H&P
>are far from the only company ever to have been attacked. ALL parties in
>the Amiga arena have been attacked and subject to lies in the past - AInc,
>H&P, MorphOS, Merlancia, bPlan, the lost goes on.
Errm...Keef, considering I am employed now, by one of these concerns,(I know: The *shock*, the *horror*.OH! THE HUMANITY! ;') I am not now, nor have I ever been "lost.
I just didn't know where the #%^* I was...='D
-skal
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 24 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2001 23:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>I guess Fleecy assumed that the fake news entry on Amiga.org by this crazed
>MorphOS fanatic was reality and made his comments in response to that.
>
"by this crazed MorphOS fanatic"
Do you have _any_ proof it has something to do with MorphOS or do you only
want to badmouth Ralph's _hobby OS_? Freedom of speech...LOL!
I would have expected better from a lawyer, but maybe this shady manner of
maligning a foreign product or its supporter fits perfectly into your official
firm policy...
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 25 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by James on 21-Oct-2001 01:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
MorphOS followers are often anti Amiga Inc / H&P / Hyperion people. (Not referring to the people coding / managing MorphOS) so it is a fair assumption for Hyperion to assume , like many others have, that a MorphOS fan did it.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 26 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 21-Oct-2001 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben Hermans / Hyperion wrote:
> I guess Fleecy assumed that the fake news entry on Amiga.org by this crazed
> MorphOS fanatic was reality and made his comments in response to that.
You only make yourself and your company look bad by making loose accusations. I will remember that Hyperion takes cheap shots, and speaks without knowledge.
The MorphOS team have a respectable history in support of the Amiga. They have always REJECTED fake news postings and attacks.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 27 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Keith_Blakemore-Noble on 21-Oct-2001 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Skal Loret):
Hi Skal,
Argh, typos, dontcha hate 'em?!
In me post, for "lost" read "list".
Sorry 'bout that!
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 28 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 21-Oct-2001 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Daniel Miller):
The MorphOS team are one thing, its supporters another.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 29 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 21-Oct-2001 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Bill Hoggett):
And saying MorphOS users are criminal is as wrong as saying all Linux
users are criminal because the Microsoft homepage has been hacked.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 30 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 21-Oct-2001 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Keith_Blakemore-Noble):
Is it too much to expect people to read carefully what I said?
I said "a Morphos FAN". I NEVER said that anybody from the MorphOS team was involved.
I'm sure they have better things to do that this type of criminal activity.
Jeezus, even reading your native language is beyond most people these days.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 31 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 21-Oct-2001 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Keith_Blakemore-Noble):
Lecturing me on the law, Keith?
Libel?
You might want to consider that libel would entail me identifying a specific person rather than a general description like "Morphos FAN".
That's not considered libel.
Not more so than saying a site was hacked by a Britney Spears fan (which did happen recently) is tantamount to libeling Britney Spears.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 32 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 21-Oct-2001 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Bill Hoggett):
Thank you Bill, at least somebody with common sense.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 33 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Keith_Blakemore-Noble on 21-Oct-2001 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, you know exactly what I am getting at.
With absolutely ZERO evident or proof, you decide that the lame-ass moron behind the hack on Amiga.org HAS to be a "MorphOS fan".
And then you wonder why people (not just me) pick up on this and question your motives for pointing the figure toward MorphOS (via your claim the hacker is a "MorphOS fan").
Now, Ben, given you admit that the MorphOS team are not involved, can you explain just what it has to do with anything whether or not the moron behind the Amiga.org attack likes MorphOS, Nescafe, Elvis, peanut buttern, Manchester United or Britney Spears?
Why do you feel the need to try to drag the name of a competitor through the mud because some moron hacks a site, hmmm?
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 34 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 21-Oct-2001 18:11 GMT
Geez ppl *THINK* for once.....
There are three groups with an interest in the amiga:
1) AmigaInc/OS4 "followers"
2) MorhpOS "followers"
3) Anti amiga ppl
Anti amiga ppl could have done it but then there's still a sort of option left (MorphOS), so they would probably attack that too. Anti amiga ppl would try to attack AmigaInc directly by the way, and not some news site......
So that leaves only two possibilies. ERm...yes, i''ll skip the excuses from the AmigaInc/OS4 followers for some obvious reasons so that leaves only some MorphOS fanatic. Yes Yes, I don't have evidence and in the western world you need hard evidence to be able to point a finger to someone, but let's be fair. Does the US have had evidence that Bin Laden is the man behind 11 September?? Sometimes it's sufficient to *think*
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 35 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Oct-2001 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Amifan):
Amifan: No, it's not sufficient just to "think". Because you know, you
may not be very good at it. And if you're not, you wouldn't know.
I don't think this is the place for another pro-war/anti-war debate
btw.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 36 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 21-Oct-2001 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
With such statements it's hard to believe that you didn't post the
"hobby OS" comment and it's even harder to believe that Hyperion is
neutral in the whole situation regarding MorphOS/AmigaOS/... as your
programmers always say.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 37 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 21-Oct-2001 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Johan Rönnblom):
Same applies to you I guess....
But be asured that this isn't really hard thinking, so just give it another try
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 38 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by zootzoot on 21-Oct-2001 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Amifan):
>1) AmigaInc/OS4 "followers"
>2) MorhpOS "followers"
>3) Anti amiga ppl
But which group would have most to gain by the accusations afterward? MorphOS has taken the heat... did someone intend for it to take the heat?
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 39 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 21-Oct-2001 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (zootzoot):
Comspiracy theories :) It's the other way around. And personally, I would take AmigaInc, because it's them publishing AmigaOS4. But let's go even further:
Maybe it's someone from the MorphOS camp, playing innocent now and let the user believe that it's someone from the "other camp" to in order to get more simpathy, but in fact it's the morphOS camp, playing innocent know and pointing the finger to the AmigaOS4 camp and accuse them from getting playing a dirty game but in fact winning sympathy by this accuses :)
Do you still get it? :)
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 40 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by zootzoot on 21-Oct-2001 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Amifan):
>Do you still get it? :)
:)
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 41 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Oct-2001 20:06 GMT
Amifan: I don't claim to be able to think further and conclude who
actually did it. But I can show that I'm able to think further than
you did. Let's just add some more possibilities:
4) someone who just wanted to cause a stirrup and saw the opportunity
5) anti-amiga.org people
6) Harv, just to get a reason to shut down amiga.org [conspiracy
factor: high ;) ]
7) a leet haxxor who finds out it was possible to hack amiga.org and
with no real motivation apart from that
8) a combination of several of the above
9) something neither of us thought about
Personally I'd find 8) most likely, followed by 7), 4), 5), 9), 3),
2), 1) and last of all 6).
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 42 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 21-Oct-2001 20:47 GMT
Do you know who I think did it? Someone really lame. And that's about all I
know. Anything beyond that would be pure speculation, and more importantly,
very uninteresting and serving little purpose.
-
Peace...
-
Kay
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 43 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Oct-2001 06:14 GMT
The various miami/datatype trojans were done by Digital Corruption, they distributed the OS 3.5 sources, the optimized MUI 020 library (with an included trojan, of course) was done by Digital Corruption, the unofficial powerUP flash update was done by Ramonstein and its crew: Digital Corruption. DC has shown their support to powerUP/MorphOS and they hate WarpUP, H&P and co.
Ummm now let me think who has done it...
oh! the Digital Corruption name appears in my mind... why?
It's sad that talented people waste their time and efforts that way :-(
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 44 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Oct-2001 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Keith_Blakemore-Noble):
Because MorphOS fanatics are the only people with this type of blind hatred of H&P.
Open minded people don't give a rats ass about the whole WarpOS versus MorphOS debate or wouldn't go to the trouble of trying to discredit an SME from Germany.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 45 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Oct-2001 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Keith_Blakemore-Noble):
Because MorphOS fanatics are the only people with this type of blind hatred of H&P.
Open minded people don't give a rats ass about the whole WarpOS versus MorphOS debate or wouldn't go to the trouble of trying to discredit an SME from Germany.
HAAGE & PARTNER Computer GmbH (H&P) are *NOT* leaving Amiga Market : Comment 46 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 23-Oct-2001 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
There are a lot of accusations flying. We have amateur Perry Masons building a case on nothing but suspicions. When one asks "why do you accuse that group" the answer is "well, someone accused them last time, there must be something to it."
The truth is that MorphOS supporters have totally REJECTED and CRITICIZED hoaxes like "H&P is leaving the Amiga market." That sort of thing just stirs up trouble, and doesn't help MorphOS and bPlan in their delivery of an Amiga-compatible. Therefore it was not done by a supporter.
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