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[Forum] H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!!ANN.lu
Posted on 20-Oct-2001 16:54 GMT by Steffen Haeuser64 comments
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I phoned with Juergen Haage and can tell you that this rumour - or lie - is total nonsense. I just phoned with Juergen Haage and can tell you that he never did tell something like claimed in the post from "4play". H&P is *not* leaving the Amiga marketplace !!! And OS 4.0 is in no way doomed !!! And "Descent Freespace: The Great War" is even now available for Preorder at H&P !!! This "rumour" - more properly one should not call it a rumour, but a "lie" - was probably started by someone who wanted to damage H&P or Amiga. I suggest that the earlier post by "4play" gets removed. Steffen Haeuser Hyperion Entertainment
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 1 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 20-Oct-2001 15:48 GMT
Whell DONT blame me! i got the news from amiga.org!
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 2 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 20-Oct-2001 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (4pLaY):
It's not like Wayne to post a story without a link to the company involved and their web site.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 3 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2001 16:03 GMT
Maybe it is not so good to preorder (and pay) if H&P are indeed leaving the market...
:o)
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Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 20-Oct-2001 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (4pLaY):
Ah, sorry... did not know this... but the post without an email address
looked at first look a bit peculiar to me (and on amiga.org it was
already gone when I was hearing of this, so ANN was the first place
I came upon it, thought it originated here)
Steffen
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 5 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Smithy on 20-Oct-2001 16:20 GMT
Anyway, let's get on to more interesting topics. If H&P have nothing to do with OS4.0 anymore, as Mr Moss has reportedly said, then what is H&P's future business aims?
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Posted by Wayne Hunt on 20-Oct-2001 16:36 GMT
Sorry for posting this here guys, but I need to get this cleared up.
To the best of my knowledge, H&P are not leaving the Amiga market.
That story was posted to the site, not by me, but by a low-life who thought it
would be funny to completely destroy the site. I, in fact, was en route to a
different part of the country and over 200 miles away from an accessible computer.
That's right, the database is gone, and it was done by the same morons who
continually haunt ANN, Amiga.org, Czech and the other sites with their MorphOS
versus the world bullspit.
We have a backup of the data, but we're debating whether or not to bother putting
it back up, since it's obviously been compromised. In any event, I would have to
start from scratch and dedicate months to writing code to get it back to even
1/10th of what was there. With spitheads like this in the community, I don't know
if I have the drive or desire to do it any more.
It's a case of something great being destroyed by a few bad apples and I don't know
if it matters whether they "win" or not.
We had started a campaign to raise funds to alleviate these problems. Now, Amiga.org
will not be back without your support and that of the companies in the Amiga
community.
To the spitheads who did this. If I find you, I will kill you, cut off your heads and
feed them to the alligators in my back yard. Try me.
Any thoughts on this matter?
Wayne Hunt
Site Manager
Amiga.org
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Posted by Jürgen Lange on 20-Oct-2001 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Smithy):
Have a look at http://www.haage-partner.com and you'll see what their aimes are. I hope this helps.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 8 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Oct-2001 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
IMHO it's not from a MorphOS "fanatic" it's from an asshole who wants
to widen the gaps between the AInc and MOS. I think I know who he is..
(Remember the guy with the "mail H&P" trojans and the Aminet porn
uploads?)
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Posted by nihilvor on 20-Oct-2001 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Smithy):
This has not been stated. Not mentioning H&P in an email does not mean that they are not involoved. Don't read too muh into a simple omission.
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Posted by Darrin on 20-Oct-2001 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
I think that feeding these a-holes to the 'gators is rather unfair to the gators! How about staking them out in my back yards, covering them in strawberry jam and watching the fireants eat them alive - now that sounds like fun and it wont poison any large reptiles in the process.
PS. If this idea is a "go" then I'll be selling seats and beer to any persons interested in watchthing this entertainment.
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Posted by Don Cox on 20-Oct-2001 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
Any site that invites public posting (even with logins) needs
rock-solid security.
You do need that new server. Make sure it is running a reliable OS
(not IIS) and double-check permissions etc.
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Posted by kevin orme on 20-Oct-2001 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
Wayne, is there any way we can help on other sites? Namely, maybe archiving old news, etc. maybe > 2 months old in a flat file or something that people can simply download? Thus you only have to restore a far smaller slice of information and yet the news and other info are avail. to the Amiga Community as well. . .
Maybe uploading a '6 month news batch' to Aminet or something? It might mean a lot of work short term but you'd only have to do it once and then never again. . Others of us out there could then put up lha archives for download if people wanted to read these items.
are the items in an exportable format? I'm presuming you still are using MySQL . . .
kevin orme
amiga university
www.amigau.com
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Posted by AmiFreak on 20-Oct-2001 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
> To the spitheads who did this. If I find you, I will kill you, cut off your heads and
> feed them to the alligators in my back yard. Try me.
What about making it a pay per view event ?
That way you could also raise some money to make amiga.org better then ever :-)
Anyway, here's hoping that you will put amiga.org back (IMHO it is (was?) one of
the best amiga news site so it would be a terrible waste if it would disappear.
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Posted by Mikey C on 20-Oct-2001 17:27 GMT
Wayne,
Don't let it get you down, Don't worry about restoring the archive, just get back on pronto.
-Without Amiga.org - well, it just ain't the same.
You guys provide a very essential service, so please come back soon.
Missing you already ;)
Regards
Mikey C
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Posted by Graham on 20-Oct-2001 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (kevin orme):
It would be good if Wayne did the MySQL database backups regularly, as a simple
DELETE * from table;
can really mess things up. And once you have access on a box, getting the SQL passwords is easy as they will be littered throughout the PHP code.
With a box of your own, you can set up the tables to be write and read only, but no delete or modify. Make root or another user the only person to be able to delete entries from the table. And use postgresql if possible.
I really feel for you, as you put a lot of work into the site, and so did other people (e.g., the person who did the graphics and icons). To have that ruined by a stupid, misguided, misrepresentative (I must emphasise that) idiot is really sad.
I hope you raise enough to get a box and a colocation account. If you are in the UK, Inweb are good and cheap, and will accept standard mATX cases, not just rackmount cases. Claranet require rackmount cases (up to 4U), but you get unlimited bandwidth for the (high) price.
Hell, if a hundred Amigans put up £10, that would be enough for the box and the colocation at Inweb for a year. You might have to cut down on the graphics though because of the bandwidth restrictions at that price.
Prices in the US will be about the same, but the bandwidth restriction level will be higher, which is good if you are there.
Use FreeBSD or OpenBSD as the hosting platform. These are more secure than the average Linux build, although even that should suffice. There is little difference in the end - better VM in FreeBSD, but bad Java support (which Amiga.org never used, so it isn't a problem). Disable FTP, Telnet, etc, and use only SSH for access and filecopy (scp).
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Posted by Samface on 20-Oct-2001 17:34 GMT
@Wayne
Please don't let "them" win, keep fighting for the good cause! :-)
Let me know if I can be of help, my server will always be at your service ;-)
May something horrible happen to the guys who did it. >:-(
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Posted by AndyC on 20-Oct-2001 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
This is unreal: I can only imagine how you feel Wayne...
I had planned to donate to the site and I will if it will do any good! In light of a few comments made about Amiga.org, I'd like to say that its been invaluable over the course of the last few years for keeping track of events.
Now with the imminent news od something new for Amiga, this is the last thing we needed.
If you have a backup, I pray that you decide to put it back up, put a big f**k you to the assholes who did this.
You have my support, if that means anything!
Regards,
Andy C
Edinburgh, Scotland.
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Posted by anonymous on 20-Oct-2001 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
PHP-Nuke had obvious, known security holes for some months, if you do want to bring it back up I recommend using Post-Nuke as opposed to PHP-NUKE.
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Posted by Graham on 20-Oct-2001 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Samface):
Hey, I forgot to vote on method of death.
I say go for the pay-per-view fireants.
Samface, I would offer my server for amiga.org as well, if it wouldn't cost me £3000+ because of the bandwidth usage for Amiga.org throughout a year!
I suggest Amiga.org migrates a bit to the side - becoming less of a links site (Slashdot for Amigans) and having reviews and proper articles as well. Articles are easy - they are longer story posts, reviews are tougher, as they are long, with loads of pictures of motherboards and cases, etc.
Heh, stick the server on an NTLWorld cable modem, and just block the NTLWorld portscanner hosts with a simple firewall on the box. It is only 128Kbps uplink, but it is cheap. Same goes for any US cable service, if they are not all owned by Microsoft yet. Thing is, you need good burst speeds for a server, even if the overall bandwidth use isn't that high, and cable/dsl will not provide that. You need 1Mbit burst at least...
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 20 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Brian J Hoskins on 20-Oct-2001 19:00 GMT
Hey, that pay per view idea is fantastic. I'll take a seat at that, thankyou very much!!
Seriously though, I have noted my feelings towards the scum that did this on the other post, and also to offer my support for Amiga.org, but I would just like to say here, once again, thankyou very much Amiga.org for the support and hard work you have already shown the Amiga community.
I can't believe it was actually an Amiga user that did this?? You have shamed us all, you f*****g freak. Get a life you muppet :o(
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 21 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Flame me :) on 20-Oct-2001 19:22 GMT
It was probably a MorphOS user/fan who did it! i already think i know who and its about time we push the mos users away from the community! this isnt the first time the "mos community" shows us that thats where all the assholes have gone.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 22 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Oct-2001 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Flame me :)):
I will flame you... First of all not a MorphOS user.
By saying what you say, you fall into the trap of the guy that did
this. If it's the one I think, he did this in the past too and
attacked ralph too. He just tries to widen the gap between MOS and
Amiga Inc. Don't fall into his trap... He is NOT a Morphos
fan...that's for sure...
And you also turn yourself into a fanatic too...
eg.
Let's say, OS 4 fails. What will you do? I personaly will go MOS.
If OS4 gets released I'll use it. Always be open minded and neutral.
Do not act as a fanatic of either side...
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 20-Oct-2001 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Flame me :)):
I am no fan of MorphOs myself but your accusations are based on..What?
Why do you think it was a morphos freak that did it?
And why don't you use your REAL NAME when accusing people of things like that, even Morphos (which you seem to dislike)author Ralph Schmidt uses his real name when posting here!
So please don't accuse people of something when you doesn't use your real name or have ANY evidence to back up your claims.
Troels Ersking
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Oct-2001 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Troels Ersking):
A chicken maybe? :)
An anon chicken...
Tired of those...
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 25 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 20-Oct-2001 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
Please, I know it's upsetting for you to lose your work and your probably very upset, but these things happen, and to blame MorphOS posters or whatever is silly, and doesn't help solve the issue of improving your security problems. Check www.securityfocus.com for insights to the *known* vulnerabilities for months that php-nuke has (even caused a fork in the development, because of such issues).
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 26 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Flame_Me :) on 20-Oct-2001 20:11 GMT
using my real name would make no difference since im a nobody as far as the "big shots" in the amiga community goes! and if OS4 fails i wont look to mos i will look too aros! and as to why i think its a mos user! its cause Wayne himself said in an ealier post here and i quote from it:
"That's right, the database is gone, and it was done by the same morons who
continually haunt ANN, Amiga.org, Czech and the other sites with their MorphOS
versus the world bullspit. "
thats good enough reason?
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 27 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Oct-2001 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Flame_Me :)):
And if you followed the threads on ann.lu when the same thing
happened, you'd know that the same guy attacked lairy...
Would a "morphos fanatic" do that? Think.
And we're talking about PPC here... AROS is NOT a PPC option...
there are 2 ppc options right now... OS 4 and MOS. If something
happens to OS 4 we do have MOS. You can't tell the same about AROS.
And don';t forget that Morphos uses SOME aros code and AROS uses
some MorphOS code...
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 28 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Oct-2001 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
And if anyone wants to flame, use your real name...
I personally did write bullshit, did flame, did swear
on comments, even said shut up to someone... And
ALWAYS with my name. If you have the guts to flame,
have the guts to use your name too...
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 29 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Benny Brockie on 20-Oct-2001 20:37 GMT
Hi all..
As a daily user of Amiga.org, I am sadden by the way the site was treated today.
Wayne Hunt has done a remarkable job at keeping the Amiga community together! This has taken years for him to build Amiga.org to what it is today, only to be crumbled by a pathetic soul! - who'm I don't believe is an Amiga user himself..
I was just wondering if you (Wayne) could "simply" re-install PHP-Nuke and continue from there. I know it's hard to just say goodbye to everything you had built up so far, but I personally as a loyal user of Amiga.org believe that the community will back you up on this, and help you in every way we can! :o)
I think you should contact the police, so that they can make an investigation, and track this m*r*n down!
As for the future of Amiga.org, please don't take this as a personal insult. The hacker was only after the Amiga community itself, not you..
Thank you for your commitment to us after all these years!! - You're like the Petro of the Amiga web!!!
Kind regards,
Benny Brockie
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 30 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 20-Oct-2001 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Flame_Me :)):
Well in my opinion it's not enough...
You write you know who he is, but doesn't back up your claims with any documentation, not even a link to Wayne's statement.
I would like to hear from Wayne if he has got any idea of who this guy is?
Why do you think it's a Morphos fan, Wayne?
Troels E
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 31 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 20-Oct-2001 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Troels Ersking):
I think they are an Atari ST user myself.
Whoever did this was clearly not acting on behalf of MorphOS (or AmigaInc obviously). They are clearly trying to divide an already divided community even further.
c.f: whoever did this was clearly not acting on behalf of Islam (or Christianity obviously). They are clearly trying to divide an already divided world even further.
or: whoever did this was clearly not acting on behalf of the Irish people (or NI people obviously). They are clearly trying to divide an already divided nation even further.
or: whoever did this was clearly not acting on behalf of all Palestinians (or Israelis obviously). They are clearly trying to divide an already divided nation even further.
Heh, with this logic I can see how America is trying to classify hackers (crackers) as terrorists!
Okay, I know the above might be a bit extreme of a comparison, but I have posted it now.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 32 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Arild Kvam on 20-Oct-2001 21:56 GMT
It makes me sad to read about these kind of attacks on innocent people/websites.
Hack some quilty parties instead, like micro$oft.
Although very sad, it is also interesting to see that someone is willing to
spend their time making Amiga-virus'es or hacking Amiga web-sites.
Someone is apparently considering the Amiga-community to be a competitor.
If You give up, You have lost for sure. If You still fight, You still have a
chance.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 33 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 20-Oct-2001 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Darrin):
Darrin:
As regards your idea for a spectator event, block 10 tickets.
Lessee, I'll invite Ryan, Harv, Dave, Gary, larry!, Asha, Fred...
Better make that 20. Oh hell, 30. Hope Dave has brewed enough beer.
;')
-skal
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 34 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 20-Oct-2001 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Skal Loret):
Darrin, one other thing:
Do you think you can work Lawn Darts into the program?
Audience participation always makes for good theater...;')
-skal
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 35 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 20-Oct-2001 21:56 GMT
I would just like to say that it's time for some of you sumbitches with the m4d PHP sK1lLZ to step up to the plate(For the non-US reader: a baseball metaphor). If you can be any help for Wayne, volunteer. Help him get the site back up in a manner that takes some of the stress off of him. Coding talks, bovine-generated organic effluent walks.
Platitudes are nice,but at a time like this, gettin' on the good foot with the PHP code is gonna be a lot more appreciated. Perhaps some of you network security dudes could help him too, like with getting Snort going or something.
As for the rest of you, send the guy a few bux. Help him get the server of his dreams...;')
As for the guy who hacked the site? I hope you spend the rest of your life dragging around 12 feet of fly-specked, dirty and necrotic prolapsed colon.
I'll buy a pair of golf shoes if I see you. No, maybe outdoor track shows...
-skal
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2001 23:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
>To the spitheads who did this. If I find you, I will kill you, cut off your heads and
>feed them to the alligators in my back yard. Try me.
>
>Any thoughts on this matter?
>
Oh, death threats...surely you do not want to find a letter with fine white powder
in the next few days in your mailbox?
I think you should better stop this BS!
Don't you have any backups?
If not, you have learned it the hard way now -> save early, save often!
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 37 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Cooke on 20-Oct-2001 23:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
Amiga.org is my first stop every day. With AmigaActive at the very least changing course, the community needs amiga.org desperately. Please bring it back.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 38 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 21-Oct-2001 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Troels Ersking):
re: why Wayne "thinks it's a Morphos fan"..
Simply put, I don't. I never said I did. What I said was that it's done by the same morons behind all this Morphos versus the world bullspit. (or something thereof).
At this point, all I know is that this guy SPECIFICALLY mentioned "AI's move towards Morphos" in the crap post he put on the site. To be honest, I figure it's some a**hole who has something to gain by -- or thinks it's funny to -- drive a wedge between H&P, MorphOS and Amiga Inc. Pretty fscking sad actually.
Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org
wayne@amiga.org
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 39 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 21-Oct-2001 01:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Wayne Hunt):
>At this point, all I know is that this guy SPECIFICALLY mentioned "AI's move >towards Morphos" in the crap post he put on the site. To be honest, I figure >it's some a**hole who has something to gain by -- or thinks it's funny to -- >drive a wedge between H&P, MorphOS and Amiga Inc. Pretty fscking sad >actually.
Here;s how sad things have gotten. Just heard this:
Two guys from <insert name of country here> were slagging my employer on an IRC channel recently. Really going to town. When asked why they were slagging, had they done any business with us, whatnot, they responded "No. It's just fun to do".
I think that speaks volumes about a lot of this horse hockey, Wayne. I have this nagging feeling that they are not the only two like that. Hardly.
-skal
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Posted by Cybes on 21-Oct-2001 01:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"IMHO it's not from a MorphOS "fanatic" it's from an asshole who wants
to widen the gaps between the AInc and MOS." If your thinking the same person as me, then it IS a MorphOS fanatic.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 41 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2001 01:24 GMT
You'd have to be a bit dumb to not keep back ups ay.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 42 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 21-Oct-2001 02:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Anonymous coward
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 43 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 21-Oct-2001 02:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
Anonymous coward
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 44 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 21-Oct-2001 02:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Wayne Hunt):
I was fooled by the posting on your website. Then things got funky..Like a poll that didn't work about the so called announcement. Then it went down. The whole thing I think is sick. I certainly hope this is not the end of Amiga.org.
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Posted by Lennart Fridén on 21-Oct-2001 03:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Mikey C):
"-Without Amiga.org - well, it just ain't the same.
You guys provide a very essential service, so please come back soon.
Missing you already ;) "
Wayne, I'll second this! What's great with Amiga.org is not that it's a news site or a Amiga related forum, but it's the combination that makes Amiga.org the place to be for me. If you can get the forums and the news back up I couldn't care less for old news and forum postings (although I did enjoy being a "Hopeless Amiga Addict" for like 3 days or so...:-)).
Keep it up Wayne!
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 46 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 21-Oct-2001 03:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Flame me :)):
Unless you can back this up I suggest you get some fireant repellant. One shouldn't be as low as others and post rumors unless one got the facts.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 47 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Oct-2001 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Cybes):
I thought of RaMonster...
I think you already know who this asshole is.
H&P *not* leaving AmigaOS !!! : Comment 48 of 64ANN.lu
Posted by Cybes on 21-Oct-2001 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yep, and RaM is a MorphOS supporter. Aren't you RaM? :)
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Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 21-Oct-2001 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Cybes):
This whole thing gets ridiculous....
afaik so called "ram" is a PC user for some time since he
sells pc hw and has absolutely nothing to do with the MorphOS
scene. Neither have i've seen any prove yet that this person
was it.
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Posted by Zee3 on 21-Oct-2001 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Wayne Hunt):
Wayne, I'm all for getting the Amiga.org site back up, for years its been the best looking Amiga site (Engish at least, probably any language) out there.
I'm a PHP/mySQL (ASP/SQLServer as well, but lets forget that) programmer, if you need some help, e-mail me.
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