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Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 1 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2001 14:08 GMT
Amigaone isnt an os so edit it with just OS 4.0 becasue I know not everyone wants a crappy thing by eyetech. After all he even admits he will be suprised if he sells 50 of AmigaOne systems.I hope he sells none becasue all they are a pc.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 2 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 25-Oct-2001 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
WTF are you talking about??????????
How can you compare the Eyetech AmigaOne with an ordinary PC?
The Eyetech AmigaOne is everything I wanted a PPC Amiga to be, ufortunately it is lacking some features (faster buspeeds, agpX4, etc...).
But it still is quite a step in the right direction. The AmigaOne will be much faster than our current ppc boards and AmigaOS4 will hopefully feel damn fast on these machines.
"After all he even admits he will be suprised if he sells 50 of AmigaOne systems."
Please explain!!
Also keep in mind that Eyetech are a normal company, if the AmigaOne sells well, they have absolutely no reasons not to develope an AmigaTwo or what they would call it.
Anyway please stop posting your ridicoulos crap if you can't back it up with some facts, or even your name.
Troels Ersking
tersking@hotmail.com
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 3 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 25-Oct-2001 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Go away, the Amiga community does not need liars and scum like you anymore. This isn't "MorphOS Network News" you know!
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 4 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Oct-2001 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Graham):
Come on go back to AmigaOne ML. Be happy with your AmigaOne you'll buy
in 5 days.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 5 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Olsen on 25-Oct-2001 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Graham):
I take it it's Amiga Inc. Network News, then?
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 6 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht (darklite) on 25-Oct-2001 16:24 GMT
I dare you all to try to submit a news item that will not result in morphos-amigaos-amithlon-uae-amigaone-pegasos-boxer-amiga.org flaming?
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 7 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by AmiFreak on 25-Oct-2001 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Brecht (darklite)):
LOL
It does seem that every thread turns into a MorhpOS v.s. OS4 battle.
(Hmm maybe I should have said OS4 v.s. MorphOS battle otherwise people
will start calling me a pro morphos and/or anti OS4 guy).
IMHO if and when both products get released it's software support which will decide
their faith not the camp with the loudest screaming supporters. So lets all stop
fighting and wait, after all we've managed to wait since 1994 so a couple of extra
months shouldn't be to difficult.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 8 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by John Adkins on 25-Oct-2001 17:25 GMT
I just hope they dont base total sales on the 4.0 release. The 4.0 release will require an Amiga motherboard, and not everyone has a fully working Amiga motherboard. 4.0 was always said to be a developer based release. I think the real release will be 4.2, when you don't need a Amiga motherboard to run the new OS, because it will emulate all the required things. I think total sales of the AmigaOne should only be counted after AmigaOS 4.2 is released. Me personally, I will most likely not buy an AmigaOne until the 4.2 release.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 9 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2001 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Graham):
I suppose you think that the Amiga Community needs people like you.
Well done, you've managed to stereotype all MorphOS users by
implying that "lies and scum" are synonomous with that system.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 10 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 25-Oct-2001 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (David Scheibler):
I would probably be happy with an AmigaOne if/when they start making them.
Of course, if AmigaOne "all they are a PC" then so is Pegasos (actually even
more so, lacking the A1200 connector as it does, the one physical connection
any modern-day Amiga will ever have to the "classic" stuff).
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 11 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Oct-2001 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (AmiFreak):
Not when there is another product available were you only have to pay
150EUR and can get the same or even better speed than the PPC
solutions which will be 1000+EUR.
And it looks like that there are many who like the cheaper way (even
Amiga hardware developers).
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 12 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Wilhelm on 25-Oct-2001 17:45 GMT
I am naive,,,,,,so don't incinerate me too much for my inadequate knowledge
of OS design.
My question is why can't an AROS like Amigas-OS be written
in VP/Elate code to run on the fastest best hardware there is????
I of course would like to be able to run much of the wealth of the great 30,000
aminet legacy files that exist, have the best of the workbench kludges of the
past 10 years and have new software that could open and use a good portion of
microsloth type files I recieve and have to deal with and have a fast and
elegant browser.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 13 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Oct-2001 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (ehaines):
I personally don't care much about classic stuff like AGA. For example
I don't use AGA programs now and I think I won't start using them in
the future :-) What *I* want to run on future hardware are the
programs I use now and all of them are RTG/RTA compatible so there is
a big chance that I can run them without an original Ax000
motherboard. That's what I care about.
But saying A1 or Pegasos is a PC is of course BS, then you also have
to say that your current Amiga is a PC, as you use PC hardware
(i.e. PCI, PC graphic card chips, I even use a PC keyboard :-))
there, too.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 14 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Oct-2001 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Wilhelm):
Isn't there a UAE port for elate?
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 15 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 25-Oct-2001 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (David Scheibler):
Yes
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 16 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Oct-2001 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (John Adkins):
>I just hope they dont base total sales on the 4.0 release. The 4.0
>release will require an Amiga motherboard, and not everyone has a
>fully working Amiga motherboard.
Eyetech have plenty in stock.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 17 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Oct-2001 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Wilhelm):
"My question is why can't an AROS like Amigas-OS be written
in VP/Elate code to run on the fastest best hardware there is????
I of course would like to be able to run much of the wealth of the great 30,000
aminet legacy files that exist, have the best of the workbench kludges of the
past 10 years and have new software that could open and use a good portion of
microsloth type files I recieve and have to deal with and have a fast and
elegant browser."
All these things can be done, given sufficient time and money.
Probably the plan for AmigaOS 5 is much as you describe. But it will
take a few years.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 18 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by John Adkins on 25-Oct-2001 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Don Cox):
>I just hope they dont base total sales on the 4.0 release. The 4.0
>release will require an Amiga motherboard, and not everyone has a
>fully working Amiga motherboard.
>>Eyetech have plenty in stock.
How much more money will the extra A1200 motherboard add to the total cost though? Plus I am guessing the A1200+AmigaOne combo wont fit into a standard ATX case like just the AmigaONe will? (unless the A1200 motherboard fits into the SLOT REALLY TIGHT and is held in place hehehe).
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 19 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 25-Oct-2001 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (John Adkins):
I agree with you.... They have to work fast to make a version that doesn't need the A-1200. The sales of the a-1200 version will noty be that high.
I own an A-1200 but I am not buying the A1 until it doesn't need the a-1200 as I am currently building an Atx tower for the A1 myself. Not because I didn't like the Eyetech tower, just for fun...
Anyway i think Amiga/Eyetech are very well aware that sales of AmigaOne won't really take off until it's totally standalone.
Troels Ersking
tersking@hotmail.com
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 20 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2001 19:33 GMT
UAE is free.
Same speed and more compatible.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 21 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 25-Oct-2001 19:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
I am just sick and tired of MorphOS weenies having to post an anti-Amiga Inc or anti-Eyetech post at the beginning of every story, whatever the topic. So I base my opinion of MorphOS users on what I read, and I don't like what I read.
And it was quite clear that the first post was an attack against Eyetech with unfounded arguments by an Anonymous person. This correlates strongly with past posts by MorphOS users or people tagging onto the MorphOS camp to attack Amiga/Eyetech/H&P.
As to the person who told me to go back to the AmigaOne mailing list. This site is a site currently for Amiga computers. AmigaOne. A1200. A4000. A1000. etc. MorphOS is not licensed to use the Amiga name. Hence I have more rights to be here, talking about Amigas and Amiga's future. If Christian wants to rename the site "MorphOS News International" then fine. But don't you tell me what to do because you *possibly* made an anti-eyetech post as an anonymous user and didn't like the result.
If you want intelligent discussion about MorphOS, don't start by attacking their competitors. It is the first way to discourage possible customers, because consumers do not like to see that.
I am most likely going to be flamed by a load of MorphOS users now for saying this. Maybe you should think before you post - it isn't hard. Any gibberish, rude, insulting, etc posts will be ignored, as the poster will not have a brain and can consider themselves an official "MorphOS Weenie". Any posts saying one or the other is vapor will also be ignored, as neither product is yet selling to the end customer (yes, I am aware of the demonstration of MorphOS at the Italian show).
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 22 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 25-Oct-2001 19:44 GMT
Oh no! A fight has broke out againt, and my sword is nowhere to be found...darn...
-
Anyway, I voted for AmigaOne, and it appears most people agree...alright MorphOS/
Pegasos people, I see your point. I do think the Pegasos looks cool, and for the time
being, MorphOS has the advantage that there is actual proof of its existence, while I have
to take other people's word that OS4 is coming. That's all well, and I wish you all luck
with your project. However, you must realize that most people will follow Bill and Fleecy.
That's because we are now seing a chance to get what we have wanted to see for a looong time:
* A new motherboard with the Amiga name, PPC, backwards compatability and easy, cheap expansion.
* Some sort of centralized control over the platform. With a living, functioning mother company
standards can be set, making everything much easier for both users and developers.
* ONE AmigaOS. Developers shouldn't have to consider such things as "should I support
WarpOS or PowerUp?". With only one official OS, we can avoid splitting an already
small market.
So even if Morph/Pegasos turns out to be a better/cheaper/sooner released solution, you
can expect the majority will want to go the official way, I know I will. The Amiga market
can't afford a split, unless there is some significant expansion...
-
Kay
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 23 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Oct-2001 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Graham):
So if Amiga licences toilet paper then this is the right place to talk
about? I think I should post some news from http://www.amiga.at ;-)
BTW: MorphOS runs *Amiga*OS, so your point is?
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 24 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by anonymouse on 25-Oct-2001 19:46 GMT
it is about time eveyone admitted classic amiga is dead.
as much as i hate micro$oft, pc's actually let you do work on them very well no matter what you say and as much as wincrap is hated, it is not a bad platform (yes it has its flaws) but to use i prefer it to amigaos or dopus. when i think back to how much time i spent actually messing with amigaos and dopus instead of actually doing something on the computer productive i am amazed.
pc's are currently insanely fast as well as cheap, cost a fortune less than amiga's and the technology used is always the latest and in general works well. the only way amiga will survive and hope to gain a bigger following is to go the way of linux. plain and simple. it needs to run on pc hardware. plain and simple. i used amiga since 1989. i still use it and keep up with the scene as i still like amiga but in todays world amiga is not a viable option to the home user or the business. if it stays like this it will stay as a marginal platform with its loyal followers. i hope amiga sorts it act out. micro$oft could do with more competition
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 25 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Oct-2001 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
If you want a centralized control over the platform then Bplan is the
way to go. They produce hardware *and* software, Amiga Inc. only
software and relies on several hardware manufactures (Sharp, Eyetech,
Intel,...).
Of course your other arguments are understandable if you want the
"Amiga" brand. That's your choice and is perfectly ok.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 26 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 25-Oct-2001 19:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Oops...sorry for the foul text formatting. Anyone feel like making a decent browser
for AmigaOS? 3 half-decent ones suffice for much of the time...but there has been a
trend lately that I prefer to do more and more of my surfing with IE at my university...
-
Kay
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 27 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Oct-2001 20:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Graham):
BTW: Someone without a realname telling me that I would post
annonymously, oh dear. You made my day.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 28 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht (darklite) on 25-Oct-2001 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
There is nothing wrong with the Amiga browsers. I wish UAE wouldn't always crash when I use inet apps :(
The problems are the tons of idiotic webmasters (they should introduce a webmaster's licence or something) that design only for IE or use frontpage (which *happens* to generate HTML that f*cks up on anything but IE).
There is no such thing as the HTML4 standards, there's only the MS standard. Trivia time: who introduced HTML emails?
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 29 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 25-Oct-2001 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Brecht (darklite)):
Arrhh, I really hate HTML emails. I am pretty sure it was MS' idea. It fits
in nicely with their "make Windows the only OS that can view content
properly"-strategy.
.
Kay
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 30 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 25-Oct-2001 20:23 GMT
I am looking forward to the AmiOne, it is exactly
what what I am looking for in a new Amiga system.
Full compatibility with custom chip access and
new modern PPC based hardware design. Current
50Mhz 68060 based Amiga's are already the fastest
most elegent computer you can use for most tasks and
adding about 20-100 times the performance should go
a long way. Regardless of which platform you choose
you will have an AWESOME Amiga based system. However
I feel that Amiga Inc. is going in the direction that
I can personally support. Lets make it happen. :)
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 31 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 25-Oct-2001 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (David Scheibler):
Alright, fair point, works for Apple, but when I said centralized control, I
didn't really mean "the same company making the hard- and software"...
-
Kay
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 32 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by MAd Dr. Z on 25-Oct-2001 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (John Adkins):
I personally doubt it will nicely fit into a ATX case.
I currently have a 1200 + ZIV + Mediator PCI ZIV in a ATX case and it is not really the nicest fit.
I agree, a A1200 mobo does not add much more to the cost. I personally am thinking about picking up a second + 040 or 060 accel card mainly for AGA, for some toying with video some; mainly for work with some bluescreening.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 33 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Mad Dr. Z on 25-Oct-2001 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
yeah, but you also have to deal with the OS it is running under....
plus you lack AGA... which despite being old, does have it's uses...
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 34 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Floyd Dameron on 25-Oct-2001 20:45 GMT
Here is a little quote from the Eyetech web page;
"What about the reliability of the expansion connector on the A4000 compared to the A1200?
Remember that the AmigaOne is a complete single board (+ PCI/AGP slots) in its own right. The A1200 edge connector and A4000 CPU connector are only used for accessing the custom chips (at relatively low speeds) by applications that 'hit the hardware' directly. Eventually with a fully retargetable OS & applications the original A1200/A4000 will be redundant. "
To translate, you only need an A1200/4000 at this time to run clasic Amiga programs. The AmigaOne can run without the A1200/4000 just fine.
If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself at;
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/faq.php
-Floyd
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 35 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht (darklite) on 25-Oct-2001 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Mad Dr. Z):
Although AGA is only partially implemented (dunno if it made it to the main source tree yet), it works remarkably well. Most games and demos work ok (on 400+ mhz x86).
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 36 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Mad Dr. Z on 25-Oct-2001 21:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (anonymouse):
yeah, it is possible of doing work on a PC... but it more of a question of flavor... the only thing I can stand on the PC is DrDOS, but I don't care to spend all time custom writing stuff. For me, a electrical engineering student, it is a very viable machine.
Amigas to are easy to afford, until I start wanting some of the same stuff as I wan't out of my miggy.
-Easier genlocking/video mixing. To do what I am setting up to do, this, on a PC, require quite a bit of extrahardware, with a less desirable price for me.
-Far more expandable. I've never seen a PC with enought PCI slots to keep me happy. On my miggy, I have 4 PCI, 5 Z2, 1 video, 4 clock ports, SCSI2 and, once SharkPPC+ comes out, AGP. Now that is a nicely expandable setup.
In the end it all just about your flavor and what you need, but with what one needs, it has to do with how resourceful one is to. My self, I can survive on nearly any OS; I may not like it's flavor, but I can survive.
I may spend much time messing with the AmigaOS and the hardware, but is little compared to the time I spend messing with Windows, back when I was still using my parents comp befor I got a miggy. I messed with Windows much time with out getting any where near as desirable results as I got with Birdie, PPC dtypes, Vprefs, and MCP.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 37 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Mad Dr. Z on 25-Oct-2001 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
IBrowse and Aweb are both nice.
The problem is with the multitude of crappy web designers.
I am currently stuck using IE, becuase I am waiting for the Mediator MM CD to arrive so I can get fast ethernet. I have formed a all new dislike of IE.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 38 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 25-Oct-2001 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (David Scheibler):
Since when was Graham not a real name? Quit yer trolling, weenie. I ain't got nothing against MorphOS, only some of its followers.
Anyway, to get on topic again, I (hadn't you guessed?) want the AmigaOne to succeed well, and then at some point in the future for Amiga Inc. and Ralph Schmidt to make up a bit. It is good to have the technology driven by Amiga Inc, but to have competition in the hardware market. It is good that in a years time we will have a decent AmigaOS.
However, look at the features provided and integrated into XP. Sure, this integration is not good considering that MS is a monopoly and this will make countless video editing and audio software companies to go bust even if their product is 10x better then the stuff that Microsoft ships. To even start on the road to being a bigger OS, you need more stuff in the OS. Just having an OS on your OS CD these days is not enough. There needs to be help, tutorials, browser, multimedia, and all that stuff. These have to tie together (Arexx and SHEEP?).
We will see how MorphOS's and Amiga Inc's plans happen in this regard. Both are concentrating on the core right now, and this is very important. If it takes longer to get a properly working system, then so be it - people won't look twice if it messes up.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 39 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 25-Oct-2001 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Graham):
@grahm
>Maybe you should think before you post - it isn't hard. Any gibberish,
Maybe *you* should think first..article 1 contained *nothing* about MorphOS or
Pegasos. But maybe this is already the beginning of a smoke&mirror PR campaign
I expect for November to distract the people from the unfullfilled promises of
2 parties you try to protect a lot lately.
First we got blamed for these silly porno pictures with H&P
Then I`m called liar on amiga.org without interference of its
spiritual unbiased gurus....
Then we get blamed for this amiga.org incident...
Then we get blamed for that above...what will be the next blame ?
And before anybody thinks it would be creative to connect me with
Bin Laden don`t waste your breath...that has already happened on
amiga-news.de last week...
And always from people from the Amiga Inc. "interests union"....
revealing...
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 40 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 25-Oct-2001 23:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Ralph Schmidt):
No, it isn't the people working at MorphOS or bPlan (who are doing their job well it would seem judging from the Italian show), but the followers.
I should have made that more clear in my post, sorry.
We will see what happens in November - maybe you will be right, maybe you will be wrong.
Btw, when is the planned release of the Pegasos with MorphOS 1.0?
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 41 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 25-Oct-2001 23:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Graham):
>No, it isn't the people working at MorphOS or bPlan (who are doing their job well it would seem judging from the Italian show), but the followers.
So *which* "follower" in *particular*...name them.
The first response could also be a normal PC user which sees no
point in that hw, an Amithlon users which sees no point in PPC,
an AmigaXL user which seens no point in PPC, a normal amiga user
which sees no point in it for its hw specs, an ainc follower
which seens no sense in a HW connected to an A1200, or an amiga custom
chipset supporter, somebody interested into a Pegasos, somebody
interested into something from Merlancia, + a lot other options.
A lot options to choose from but you chose a specific one which
shows your prejudice.
>Btw, when is the planned release of the Pegasos with MorphOS 1.0?
When we're ready.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 42 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by wilhelm on 26-Oct-2001 00:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Don Cox):
Why would it take a long time to compile AROS or even for that matter Amithlon
into VP code? It seems like I have read that other programs have been compiled
"in several hours" to VP code. Wouldn't this approach give us an Amiga OS
running "everwhere" now?
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 43 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by mark on 26-Oct-2001 01:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mark Olsen):
I suspect that you are correct. According to the balance of the communist manifesto, Amiga Inc did in fact pay for the Kompany, the name and what ever other rhetoric you morons suggest. Amiga the name, the computer, the whatever belongs to Amiga Inc, not some want pundit calling white, black. or ann or whatever stating that they will never support aXYZ again. self serving hypocrites
remember no one ever remembers the idiot that cried wolf when in fact a wolf had never been seen
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 44 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by A NoN a Moose on 26-Oct-2001 01:58 GMT
These kind of articles and discussion appear because Team MorphOS and their followers are afraid.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 45 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Perry on 26-Oct-2001 02:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (anonymouse):
> when i think back to how much time
> i spent actually messing with amigaos
> and dopus instead of actually doing
> something on the computer productive
> i am amazed.
I've worked on a few machines in my (admittedly relatively) short lifetime. Classic Amiga kept me more productive than anything else for many, many years. I think PC's were starting to overcome what I needed about the time my Amiga 500 died. That was 3 years ago.
Agreed: I didn't need much. I taught high school and did most of my work on the Amiga (typing tests, writing programs, averaging, etc.). I browsed the web using a slow-as-molasses modem (all I could afford), used email, argued vitriol on newsgroups... and I got to have fun doing it, too.
I need an iBook or a PC to get my work done now (certain programs I need only work on those platforms). It works very, very well.
But there's no *real* reason it won't work on an Amiga, except the neglect of developers. There was even a version of Maple for the Amiga -- once -- and that's the big one that made me sell out.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 46 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Oct-2001 04:33 GMT
*I* made the suggestion for this poll, and Petra adopted it (with all the options I suggested) 1:1. If you want to flame, flame me. ;-)
But I seriously cannot see why there should be any reason for flames, except that I considered the possibility for multiple selections a must, however that´s not allowed by the voting software. A shame since it would be a much more interesting result then.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 47 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Oct-2001 04:35 GMT
...especially because we would finally be able to see ourselves who uses Amithlon in parallel to Windows, parallel to Linux or stand-alone, among other things...
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 48 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 26-Oct-2001 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Solar (BAUD)):
Solar, the poll is a good thing not least because it wakes people up to the alternatives.
This current slowdown is reminding me of 95/96 when very little was going on outside of a few real production houses, low frequency uploads to Aminet and lots of uncertainty.
The current plans for AmigaOS mean that we wont really get an OS to be /proud/ of until then. 4.x is catchup and waypoints. If they review well and I have the spare money at the time, they *will* be a candidate. Until then I will continue updating Linux68k to be user friendly on the Amiga as my plan b.
Why have I stopped evangelising for the Amiga platform as a whole? The sad agendas that have been revealed on ANN and other Amiga media sites recently. Im sure Im not the only one put off in the same way I was put off developing PPC based software because of the sad agendas exposed during the WarpOS/PhaseV faceoff.
Christian, how about an "advocacy" section where luminaries like Ralph et al can sound off and I can argue for Linux on the Amiga as the best plan b ;-)
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 49 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Oct-2001 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Dave):
Hmmm... shouldn't you try plan A before B? Just a thought... :-P
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 50 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 26-Oct-2001 05:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Samface):
Im running plan A as we speak, if I dont sort out plan B then there wont be a plan B ready to use if plan A fails - if you see what I mean ;-)
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