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Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 51 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by special on 26-Oct-2001 06:03 GMT
Well time is passing and it WILL not stop for noone.If amiga inc is behind development well they must hurry up but don`t deliver a buggy board because they will go down, as for pegaso i start to watching it as a good alternative IF they give good documentation and development kit so even if morphos is failed a *nux can be as an os then they have a good change to attract ex-amigans which use *nux.
I will wait for the amigaone and i expect they will deliver what they have promised,i will give plenty of time to os 4.x to mature and getting the amione at full potentiall but i will fight ami1 if it is a buggy crap that is served for the ultimate amiga,hardware faults is very defficult to correct but software is more prefarable to errors and correction,i hope that ami1 WHEN WILL BE RELEASHED AS A FINISHED PRODUCT will have all sorted out,well better this that showing off incomplete mobo for encouragment.Time is enemy now but it can be ally if the products delivers what had promised.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 52 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Oct-2001 07:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Ralph Schmidt):
Ralph flaming time! ;-)
"Maybe *you* should think first..article 1 contained *nothing* about MorphOS or
Pegasos."
And Grahams article contained nothing saying it did. All he said was that it correlates with posts made by MorphOS users.
"But maybe this is already the beginning of a smoke&mirror PR campaign"
There's no smoke without fire. Amiga inc is the smoke, you're the mirror.
"I expect for November to distract the people from the unfullfilled promises of
2 parties you try to protect a lot lately."
Well, atleast they have the guts to make promises. All you ever say is we're ready when we will be ready, wich isn't much of a promise at all. If you were so sure about your own success, how come you're unable to make any promises?
"First we got blamed for these silly porno pictures with H&P"
I hadn't even heard about that one before, what silly porno pictures? Is there something you should tell us about, Ralph? ;-)
"Then I`m called liar on amiga.org without interference of its
spiritual unbiased gurus...."
Oh please! I made fun of your nick name, Liare. Don't be such a wimp about it.
"Then we get blamed for this amiga.org incident..."
I never did and I wonder if anyone did at all. All we know is that they were *probably* (no evidence, only probabilities) MorphOS followers since it was very similar to things posted by some of them around here.
"Then we get blamed for that above..."
Nope, you didn't get blamed for the above.
"what will be the next blame ?"
None, unless some unexpected evidence of otherwise shows up.
"And before anybody thinks it would be creative to connect me with
Bin Laden don`t waste your breath...that has already happened on
amiga-news.de last week..."
LOL! Maybe the guy was joking or just simply too upset to stay objective? You seem to take everything said so seriously all the time. You have to remember that people say things they regret when strong emotions flare up. Also, not everyone complies with the statements of others.
"And always from people from the Amiga Inc. "interests union"....
revealing..."
That statement is just as ignorant as when people accuse the MorphOS team for something made by fanatic MorphOS followers.
BTW, I'm supposed to be a spiritual unbiased guru? LOL!
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 53 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Oct-2001 07:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (wilhelm):
"Why would it take a long time to compile AROS or even for that matter
Amithlon into VP code? It seems like I have read that other programs
have been compiled "in several hours" to VP code. Wouldn't this
approach give us an Amiga OS running "everwhere" now?"
Although AROS is making good progress, it isn't ready for use as a
working OS yet.
It probably could be compiled to run on the DE player, but there
doesn't seem nuch point in running AROS on top of DE on top of
Linux/Windows right now. Amithlon and XL are simpler solutions.
AROS doesn't have its own 68k emulator.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 54 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 26-Oct-2001 08:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Samface):
Why should a MorphOS follower say that the AmigaOne is a PC? If that
was true then the Pegasos is a PC, too.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 55 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan on 26-Oct-2001 08:05 GMT
Current results of the poll show that
if Pegasos and MorphOS are re-labeled as AmigaOS and AmigaOne compatible..
there will be no problems...
Yes Pegasos/MOS project is ahead, but unfortunately without `Amiga` name,
things will be harder...The name will bring more sales to BPlan...
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 56 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Oct-2001 08:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Samface):
Hey Samface, I miss amiga.org, our favourite bashing arena. ;-)
> "Then I`m called liar on amiga.org without interference of its
> spiritual unbiased gurus...."
> Oh please! I made fun of your nick name, Liare. Don't be such a
> wimp about it.
If I remember correctly Ralph´s nick is "Laire", not "Liare".
> "And before anybody thinks it would be creative to connect me with
> Bin Laden don`t waste your breath...that has already happened on
> amiga-news.de last week..."
> LOL! Maybe the guy was joking or just simply too upset to stay objective?
Or he meant, *perhaps* Ralph isn´t even *responsible* for all the bad stuff happening recently... ;-) <- please! note the smiley...
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 57 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Oct-2001 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Samface):
Samface, what is the point in making promises which you can't keep, eh?
So you prefer AInc's approach of lying and making flase promises, getting people's hopes up and then dashing them again and again, to MorphOS's approach of "It'll be ready when it's ready"?
Interesting...
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 58 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Oct-2001 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Solar (BAUD)):
Hey there Solar. :-)
Back to our "original" bashing arena, eh? ;-)
Ok, guilty as charged. I misspelled Laire's Nick. Sorry. :-P
"Or he meant, *perhaps* Ralph isn´t even *responsible* for all the bad stuff happening recently... ;-) <- please! note the smiley..."
And my point is that nobody's actually blaming --->him<--- or any other member of the MorphOS team for that matter. The only thing said (well, out of what's been said around here the last few days, atleast) is that it's a *probability* that the attacks against Amiga inc and their partners is made by *followers* of the MorphOS team. Do we blame Allah for the actions of Bin Laden?
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 59 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Oct-2001 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
"Samface, what is the point in making promises which you can't keep, eh?"
Well, I don't know if they actually made a *promise*, they've just told us about their plans and timeframes, which isn't exactly the same thing.
Here's my theory about why they told us about their plans and timeframes:
1. They believe in their own product. If you can't even tell people about what your plans and timeframes are (with or without making it a promise), that shows a lack of faith in your own product.
2. As new owners of the Amiga brand, the community demanded to know what their intentions where. No matter how much information they give to the community, people always complain about them not telling enough. That pressure caused them to tell us too much. Too much about things that are subjects of change at anytime as their project runs along. Now they've learned from their mistakes but people still bitch about them not telling us about what's going on.
Anyway, I think it's also a sign that they do care about us, the community. Would they tell us anything at all if they didn't care? I mean, it's not like they just bought the name to screw us. I know better ways of wasting time and money.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 60 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 26-Oct-2001 09:47 GMT
Samface, do you rank Laire as high as Allah?
Or do you mean MorphOS believers rank him as high - but that would put them on the same level as Bin Laden in your picture...
All in all, I think that comparison wasn´t that nice... :-/ ;-)
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 61 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Oct-2001 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Solar (BAUD)):
"All in all, I think that comparison wasn´t that nice... :-/ ;-)"
Ask Wayne, are the ones that hacked Amiga.org nice?
Oh well, I made an exaggerated comparison, so what? I look upon the ones who hacked Amiga.org as IT terrorists anyway.
But I must say, Ralp is pretty far from beeing Allah. ;-)
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 62 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Oct-2001 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Samface):
Samface, face facts.
Bill stood up and publically stated that on 1st November 2001, we will be able to walk into a shop and buy AmigaOne and AmigaOS4.0.
He publically announced this a few short months ago.
Given the time it takes to get a completed product in to production and shipped to shops, and given the time at which he made that statement, they would have had to have development completed at the time.
So, either they had development completed and they are getting product to the shops for 5 days time (in which case SOMEONE would have heard about it by now), or they had completed development but they are not in production (unlikely), or they had not completed development and Bill was making promises he knew they could not keep.
Your call.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 63 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 26-Oct-2001 12:32 GMT
Here we go again...
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 64 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Oct-2001 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
"Samface, face facts."
Did I deny any facts? Well, I don't recall denying any facts.
"He publically announced this a few short months ago."
A few short? Do you know what months are in the IT community? I don't see your point. All I see is Amiga inc letting us know what their plans are and in what timeframes, *months* ago. Recently, they've been very quite, which is probably for the best. They've told us too much already.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 65 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Oct-2001 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Adam Waldenberg):
Yeah, I know what you mean. Sometimes I even cut n' paste my own earlier posts. :-P
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 66 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Oct-2001 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Samface):
It shows.
I particularly love the way you cut'n'paste the same old wrong info time after time - quite amusing really!
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 67 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Oct-2001 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Samface):
Samface, if you knew anything of the subject (hint - can you find out when Bill told us wewould be able to buy AmigaOnes and AmigaOS4 from shops in 6 days time? It was not very long ago at all. Look it up), then you would realise that when Bill made that erroneous announcement, in order to have met the timeframe he announced, they would already have had to have completed development and be finishing beta at that time.
Perhaps you might like to stop and think before you continue cut'n'pasting, eh?
Or perhaps not I suppose.
Tell you what, as you are so desperate to have it, you can have the last word. Really. Post whatever nonsense you like (you usually do), I shalln't reply.
Enjoy your dream world, whilst more of the rest of the people roundhere get on with the Real World.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 68 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 26-Oct-2001 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
"the Enjoy your dream world, whilst more of the rest of the people roundhere get on with the Real World."
Ok, here's your "real" world:
1. Bill & Co buys the Amiga name just to make history's most expensive and pointless hoax. It pleases them to lie to the community and that's all they ever wanted, to make big lies to the Amiga community.
2. An x86 or PPC version of the classic AmigaOS with the features of windows added to it is what will finally make the Amiga platform a viable alternative on the market again. Hardware independancy and innovative thinking like that will just flop.
3. Another failure of Amiga inc would be a good thing(TM). That would really make the Amiga market florish and be really attractive to investors, right?
Yeah... that's the "real" world all right...
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 69 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 26-Oct-2001 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Samface):
Well said.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 70 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 26-Oct-2001 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Samface):
Well actually I don't think they did know how much influence
the "community" has, at least they didn't know much about the European
Amiga users. It looked like they were a bit surprised that there were
some Amiga users who really asked how elate can be a desktop OS, etc.
But this first impression changed after they(Bill 'exciting' McEwen
himself) released the AmigaSDK on some fair in Germany in mid2000 and
dealers actually didn't sell many. Already on the second day the
dealers reduced the price of the SDK from 250DM to 199DM but then
again there were only a few users interested. Same goes to the
DevMachine.
After this their strategy more or less changed, they spoke about MP,
spoke about classic emulating *integrated* into elate and released
even OS3.9 which was of course developed by H&P and even then I got
the impression they didn't care much (50 000 sells for OS4.0, lol,
AFAIH not even 10 000 were sold). However when they saw that there
won't be a AmigaOne with elate native in Q1/01 they came up with the
idea of AmigaOS4. So it looks *now* that they care much about the
community but that wasn't IMHO from the beginning. Best example was
Mr. Peake who even didn't know about a former Commodore and Amiga
Techonogies member (the story with Rainer Benda).
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 71 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Oct-2001 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Samface):
>Recently, they've been very quite, which is probably for the best.
>They've told us too much already.
>
Yes, they had a very big mouth...OS4.0, 4.2, 4.5, 5.0 64bit blayadda.
Maybe they now see their _earthshaking_ promises and reality do not fit
together too well and now back off.
On the other hand, if the product is in store in five days I never say
anything against AInc anymore. ;-)
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 72 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Oct-2001 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
Yes, and before AmigaOS 4 was announced, when they were refusing to develop the OS, when they said their would be no OS4 until they sold X copies of 3.9, when they called DE the 'new' Amiga, and when they hyped their product with descriptions of what the 'classic' could do whilst at the same time patronising the 'classic' by tagging the name 'classic' to it. Back then the 'new' Amiga was to be released in December 2000. We have been waiting a long time for this 'new' Amiga. And the 'new' Amiga that is promised for 6 days time is not the 'new' Amiga they promised running up to end of 2000. They have chopped and changed their plans for nearly 2 years now, AmigaOS 4 was never part of their original plans - just look at their statements of that time if you don't believe me.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 73 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by CyberZorro on 26-Oct-2001 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Samface):
Samface, will there ever be a breaking-point when you stop believing in Amiga Inc?
Maybe when they finally collapse and all those lies suddenly appear? I feel pity
for you and all the other naive guys whose dreams will suddenly vanish and
reality finally hits them.. There neither will be an AmigaOne next week nor will
there ever be one. The only thing we are going to hear from "Big-Boss" Billy
is something like:"Sorry, we had to change our directions cos of this and that..".
Dont get me wrong, i would love to buy an AmigaOne but lately there have been
so many indications that even guys like you should have realized that something is
going wrong here.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 74 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht (darklite) on 26-Oct-2001 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Don Cox):
>AROS doesn't have its own 68k emulator
It would be relatively easy to replace the 68k AmigaOS parts of Amithlon with x86 native AROS parts. All it would take is adjusting some compiler options and some other minor things.
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 75 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht (darklite) on 26-Oct-2001 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Solar (BAUD)):
>Hey Samface, I miss amiga.org, our favourite bashing arena. ;-)
Did I miss something? ;)
Amiga-news.de asks: which system for 2002 : Comment 76 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 26-Oct-2001 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Brecht (darklite)):
darklite writes:
> It would be relatively easy to replace the 68k AmigaOS parts of
> Amithlon with x86 native AROS parts. All it would take is adjusting
> some compiler options and some other minor things.
It's much more complicated than what you make it sound, believe me.
I've done this with some AROS parts for MorphOS, and there *is* work.
AROS is not fully compatible with AmigaOS, and tracking all
incompatibilities, finding out why programs suddenly behave
differently, is a lot of work.
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