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| Posted on 29-Oct-2001 15:59 GMT by Cloanto | 32 comments
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Cloanto is proud to announce that it licensed both the "Picasso96" software from Alexander Kneer and Tobias Abt, and Brian King's "UAEgfx" Monitor implementation, for use in Amiga Forever.
CLOANTO LICENSES PICASSO96 SOFTWARE
Cloanto is proud to announce that it licensed both the "Picasso96" software from Alexander Kneer and Tobias Abt, and Brian King's "UAEgfx" Monitor implementation, for use in Amiga Forever.
A shareware version of Picasso96 has been providing RTG (Amiga retargetable graphics) functionality to the emulation software which is part of Amiga Forever since 1997. With the new license Cloanto would like to acknowledge the precious contribution of the Picasso96 Team to the ease of use, compatibility and speed which made Amiga Forever so successful, and further contribute to the future development of the Picasso96 software. The new license replaces the shareware status of the Picasso96 software included in Amiga Forever. Support and upgrades will continue to be provided by Cloanto as part of the Amiga Forever product.
Thanks to the Picasso96 implementation in the Amiga emulation, when an Amiga program makes a function call to open an RTG screen, or to otherwise read or change its contents, that functionality is in most part executed as native and very fast x86 code. Furthermore, the Windows versions of the emulation programs included with Amiga Forever (i.e. WinUAE and WinFellow) fully exploit the latest versions of Microsoft DirectX, which is normally used by games and multimedia applications to provide maximum performance by providing low-level access to specialized hardware features, without having to re-write hardware-specific code. In practice this means that while other emulation programs only offer proper support for a handful of display cards, Amiga Forever has been running fine and will continue to run fine with hundreds of different display cards, including most graphics card currently available, and those which will be released with Windows drivers in the future.
The combination of Picasso96 and DirectX technologies provides palette-based, hi-color, true-color and multi-monitor screen modes well beyond the functionality and speed of the original Amiga hardware. Also, while other emulation packages do not even support simple peripherals such as a USB mouse, keyboard, joystick and speakers, DirectX includes DirectInput and DirectSound, which allow the emulation as included in Amiga Forever to support all popular input and sound devices.
The Picasso96 software is just one of the many components which have been carefully selected, preinstalled and tested for compatibility in Amiga Forever, to make Amiga emulation a simple one-click experience which works on the widest possible range of different PCs. Hundreds of other items, including for example GIF/LZW code used under license from Unisys Corporation (and not available in the version of Personal Paint included on Aminet), ColorFonts and AnimFonts by Kara Computer Graphics, and anything from entire software packages to single icons are carefully listed in the Copyright and Credits sections of the Amiga Forever documentation (which includes 8 KB of text only to list the individual third-party contributions).
In spite of increasingly difficult times Cloanto keeps improving its own software technology and licensing valued third-party contents to constantly improve Amiga Forever and offer continued support and compatibility to the Amiga community. Cloanto is grateful to all of its valued customers for supporting these efforts.
LINKS
Picasso96 Home Page
http://picasso96.home.pages.de/
Amiga Forever Home Page
http://amigaforever.info
Cloanto Home Page
http://cloanto.com
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 1 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Oct-2001 15:06 GMT | | Bleh, take that UAE shite and stuff it. People should go buy real Miggys! |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 2 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Björn Hagström on 29-Oct-2001 15:15 GMT | Sound very positive :) Hope the P96 guys got some good money out of this.
/Björn |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 3 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Dave on 29-Oct-2001 15:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Not easy these days and besides when a basic usable system that is nippy enough from new costs around a thousand UKP ( plus ) vs a PC that would run faster at several hundred pounds plus cost of Amithlon, XP or Amiga Forever theres no comparison. Especially if like me you need to work on the move - I couldnt "live" without UAE on my laptop.
Once AmigaOne comes out and IF its excellent then this story may change. The main board is small enough to fit into a reasonable laptop case, but is no use really for laptop computing - everything needs to be surface mounted OR use a v-adapter with a GFX card, sound card etc which would be VERY bulky /if/ you managed to sort out the synchronization problems.
Ho hum, there had to be one kneejerk reaction tho. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 4 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by kevin orme on 29-Oct-2001 15:35 GMT | for so long now, the Amiga Forever/UAE stuff has been the only way to have an Amiga Laptop (barring a couple intrepid hackers that have built their own) - even on the crappy hardware support of NT, it works really good! Now if we can just get an Amiga Forever that boots without winblows, that would be great - oh yeah, you can't separate out all those technologies from winblows or it falls apart, as MS (didn't) prove last year in court. . . :) thanks for all your hard work to the P96 team, UAE developers and Cloanto!
kevin orme
amiga university
http://www.amigau.com |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 5 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 29-Oct-2001 15:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 4 (kevin orme):
one work: amithlon :) |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 6 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by kevin orme on 29-Oct-2001 16:10 GMT | right, now that's the buzz (and I fully intend to get my copy! :). but Amithlon didn't even exist until early last summer when the australian dev's handed a copy to Bill McE. Cloanto has been supporting the community for several years with AF. So both are worth our support and praise for sticking by the rest of us who aren't expert programmers. . .
kevin |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 7 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bernd Meyer on 29-Oct-2001 16:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
And just in case there is any doubt: That one word comes with a fully paid for P96 license, and has never ever come with anything less (most notably, it certainly never came with any shareware version).... :) |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 8 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 29-Oct-2001 16:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Amithlon does NOT support all OCS/ECE/AGA modes and is therefore NOT a full replacement for a real A1200/A4000. It does NOT run all classic software and is therefore NOT a full replacement for a real A1200/A4000.
It's time some people out there realised that Amithlon is not competition for UAE. UAE is designed to provide a virtual CLASSIC Amiga for those of us that want to run CLASSIC Amiga programs. Amithlon currently offers me nother (certainling nothing worth spending $200 on) while I have been happily using WinUAE for years on my laptop.
It's good that Cloanto have decided to license P96. I was always amazed that the P96 team hounded Elbox for including P96 with the mediator and left it to the USER to register the product while Cloanto were doing exactly the same (and in a greater volume) and yet there was nothing said about that. Double standards? - YES, especially when the Mediator can be used WITHOUT P96 (use CGX instead). |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 9 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham on 29-Oct-2001 17:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (Dave):
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-- The main board is small enough to fit into a reasonable laptop case,
-- but is no use really for laptop computing - everything needs to be surface
-- mounted OR use a v-adapter with a GFX card, sound card etc which would be
-- VERY bulky /if/ you managed to sort out the synchronization problems.
I saw an article (on http://www.extremetech.com/ I believe) where they took apart a modern laptop. I assure you, the motherboard in that laptop was about the size of an A1200 accellerator, and very wierdly shaped. Components surface mounted on both sides, highly integrated, etc.
I think it was a thin laptop, which would explain that, but even so...
Laptop design must be quite interesting, as it is challenging. I am hoping that one day there will be a real native Amiga laptop, running a G5 with a 15.1" display and the works, basically... but who has the resources to make one? |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 10 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Dave on 29-Oct-2001 17:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Graham):
Laptop design IS fascinating - there is a concept at work in progress of a "laterally modular" motherboard.
The idea being that you can take apart the motherboard and replace sections. Candidate sections
are the sound and graphics chipsets, the cpu etc. For those of you that have a PicassoIV you u might
get the idea - the "snap here" section of the board. Hopefully modular without the snap. Kind
of lateral PCI slots. Hmm not sure I got that across clearly.
As for who has the resources, if we buy and evangelise whatever Amiga based
system is released/is the best then perhaps the providers will have sufficient resources.
Eyetech certainly have the skill. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 11 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alastair Marett on 29-Oct-2001 18:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Graham):
Who will make a Amiga laptop?
Try here! |
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| Posted by kevin orme on 29-Oct-2001 18:43 GMT | of classic amigas, the only possibility barring the A600 which has been done already once, is really the CD32's with the accelerator and SX addons to make it a 'full' A1200. that motherboard is a lot smaller than even the A1200's and probably would fit quite nicely in a pc laptop case. But again, you need to likely be an electronics wizard to pull off the rest or at least very handy with a soldering iron. Amithlon or Amiga Forever on a PCLaptop is what most of us are going to use, ultimately. And barring custom apps like a video toaster that require specific hardware, we're going to be looking pretty good. Cinema4D works great on my NT laptop/Amiga Forever setup, as does TVPaint and likely (haven't installed it yet but ultimately will on an Amithlon setup) ProStation Audio. ..
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 14 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Paolo D'Urso on 29-Oct-2001 21:47 GMT | | Cloanto is brilliant.. every release of AmigaForever brings something new with elegance. I'm looking forward to AmigaForever 5 when they'll release it! Ofcourse, people can download from warez sites the 3.1 Rom and use WinUAE JIT, but Cloanto are offering an easy and complete solution to all the lazy people that doesn't want to spend time with the UAE setups (like me) :)) |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 15 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Dave on 30-Oct-2001 08:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Paolo D'Urso):
Id hope thats not just the only reason - laziness. I would hope that the thought of joining the warez w*nker section of society would put you off as much as the thought of also illegally breaking copyright and license laws. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 17 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by jAy on 06-Nov-2001 23:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 7 (Bernd Meyer):
> And just in case there is any doubt: That one word
> comes with a fully paid for P96 license, and has never
> ever come with anything less (most notably, it certainly
> never came with any shareware version).... :)
"Anything less"? Sure, in your dreams...
Are you aware of the sheer quantity of unlicensed or otherwise illegal items included in an average CD by H&P? As a rule, they first put something on their CDs, then if you complain they ask, and unless you sue they don't remove it.
Remember this:
http://www.ajk.tele.fi/~too/amitcp.txt
http://amiga.emugaming.com/amitcp393.txt
Well, they have again included it on your nice Amithlon CD.
So, still sure about "anything less"? Not enough? What about the ReAction GUI when it was first included in 3.9, do you think they asked first? Or about those copyrighted Star Trek images on the Amithlon CD?
BTW AFAIK Amiga Forever included Picasso96 with the full permission of the authors. Whether they received or not any compensation I don't know, you must ask them, but I know there was an agreement. Instead of talking about things you don't know you should be writing drivers and partition managers, you know, the modern equivalent of what Sisyphus liked doing... ;-) |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 18 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Juergen Haage on 06-Nov-2001 23:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Darrin):
> I was always amazed that the P96 team hounded Elbox for
> including P96 with the mediator and left it to the USER
> to register the product while Cloanto were doing exactly
> the same (and in a greater volume) and yet there was nothing
> said about that. Double standards? - YES, especially when
> the Mediator can be used WITHOUT P96 (use CGX instead).
Maybe Cloanto asked first, or otherwise had an agreement, while Elbox did not? At least, on the Amiga Forever CD it says the shareware version of Picasso96 was included with permission of the authors. I think you should be the one checking before writing these allegations though. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 19 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by From Italy on 08-Nov-2001 11:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (jAy):
Please forgiv my english. I have one example also of how mister Haage work. I was in Pianeta Amiga at Empoli the last month. In Italy tsoftwares piracy is a big problem and we have a law which say that all software must be registered with "SIAE" (like copyright office in America) and have holographic adhesive given by SIAE on all the copies (for sale and also free sample). Law is criticized because also applies to free software like Linux, but is law, and must be respected, and has punishment maximum of three years prison. So is criminal law, not civil law. If you have softwares from USA or Germany or other country law is still valid, you must attach hologram sticker when you import and before sell. Everybody in Italy know this. All computer shops ecc.
Amiga OS XL at Pianeta Amiga did not have hologram sticker from SIAE, so it was illegal. I saw mister Haage sell Amiga OS XL and sign it and give free copies also after Battilana from Cloanto and other peoples said to him this was not correct way of doing. I can understand Haage is from Germany and not know everything about Italy even if software his work, but after he told, he must have stop or do in the correct way. Instead he decided to continue with wrong way, illegal method.
I think mister Haage knew what he were doing and he is a criminal and must go to prison. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 20 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Unisys on 08-Nov-2001 12:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 7 (Bernd Meyer):
Bernie, you don't know the people you are working with. Or maybe you do, and you are beginning to have second thoughts.
I must apologise for using Anonymizer to post this (see the IP address, probably 168.143.112.8). I'd like to go public, but then I know H&P could retaliate against me, as they did in the past.
But what I tell you is the truth, and I could tell you many things, but here is one you can easily verify.
You probably know that you need a license for software that reads or writes GIF images. H&P knows this, yet they have been selling ArtEffect, which since 1997 supports GIF, without a valid license. Actually, on their web site they say that the "GIF royalty" is "trouble". So they admit in public that they need the license, but they do not want to pay for it.
I sort of suspected this before because I know somebody who works with them, but I also asked Unisys if this was true, and the reply was shocking: "Unisys does not have a license agreement with Haage & Partner". You do not believe me? OK, then ask yourself, write to LZW_INFO@UNISYS.COM (address found at www.unisys.com/unisys/lzw/).
But ArtEffect is not the only software with GIF sold by Haage and Partner: they tell you to download a GIF file (which also requires a license, but has none) for the ImageFX package they sell, and they also have GIF DataTypes in Amiga OS 3.5, 3.9 and... XL (which also includes ArtEffect, which I verified can load GIF)!
Hey, Bernie, what a nice legal package your software is on!
On the opposite end, who is our example of competence, morality and legality? There is only one company I know of which not only carefully worked on the problem, but also licensed GIF from Unisys, in spite of not liking it. That is...
www.cloanto.com/users/mcb/19950127giflzw.html
Only, it looks like they were (or possibly feel) really stupid if Hacks & Patches was allowed for so many years to sell GIF and compete with Cloanto (ArtEffect vs. PPaint), without getting caught! What do you think?
st |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 21 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ben on 08-Nov-2001 14:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (Unisys):
The whole .gif issue seems to be some sort of horse, barn-door type situation isnt it?
Haage may be licenced via other parties/company names - this must be taken with a pinch of salt - can someone can verify some mention of Unisys in the ArtEffect software about box or docs?... |
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| Posted by Mike Veroukis on 08-Nov-2001 14:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (From Italy):
>I think mister Haage knew what he were doing and he is a criminal and must go to prison.
You're an idiot |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 23 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by priest on 08-Nov-2001 15:00 GMT | Outrageous if someone in the community is sick/stooped enough to e-mail unisys if the puny Amiga market have not paid for gif loading/saving.
Also, it is stooped if Unisys thinks it would be worthwhile to sue H&P or any other company in Amigaland...
Morons. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 24 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mike Veroukis on 08-Nov-2001 15:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (Unisys):
I really don't understand why a company like H&P bother with the Amiga market anymore. If I was them I'd move on to more profitable pastures. All the bickering and in-fighting is just so annoying. I can't believe that in a small market like this there are people who would like to see more contributing companies be sued or arrested out of existance. You people are pathetic! I love the Amiga technology, that's what keeps me here. But the community makes me sick!
- Mike |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 25 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 08-Nov-2001 19:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (priest):
Yep there seems to be lot's of total idiots who would do anything to harm or destroy H&P :P I don't understand why H&P bother to support Amiga when Amiga community is so full of morons these days :P |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 26 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by John McKenzie on 08-Nov-2001 20:09 GMT | Although I realise Unisys has everything legally locked up, the poster mentioning it had a tone that H&P was being imoral because of the gif issue which I would like to dispute.
Considering that the reason the GIF format got approved as a web standard was that Unisys and everyone else involved clearly stated that gif would be and always will be totally and completely free for everyone for all of time, then suddenly started to go after royalties, I have only respect people who do not pay the licence. It is not a licence issue, it is extortion.
Regardless of any other problems some one might have with H&P, I just wanted to say why I don't think you can hold up gif licencing as general indication of moral turpitude. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 27 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 08-Nov-2001 20:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
> Yep there seems to be lot's of total idiots who would do
> anything to harm or destroy H&P
To me the point seems to be that some companies and people play by the rules, why others play dirty. I am more and more convinced that H&P have always been playing dirty. Helping Amiga is one thing, but using this as an excuse to make money without respecting the rules is a different thing I think. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 28 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Troels Ersking on 08-Nov-2001 20:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (From Italy):
"I think mister Haage knew what he were doing and he is a criminal and must go to prison."
Hehehee... it's a stupid law.
Besides, you don't send people in prison for things like that.. :-)
Troels E |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 29 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mike Veroukis on 08-Nov-2001 21:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
>To me the point seems to be that some companies and people play by the rules, >why others play dirty.
Well I think you play very dirty! I play by the rules (well, alteast on a forum such as this). I back up every comment I make with my REAL name. Why do you feel you have to hide in the shadows? It is quite obviouse to me you don't post your name out of fear. Fear of what? Perhaps out of fear of being sued yourself for all the slanderous comments you make on almost a daily basis!
- Mike |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 30 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Meh on 08-Nov-2001 22:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (Unisys):
Fuck your a sad pathetic excuse for a human being only set to maximise on the misery of others and for your own greedy self fucking over others over you stupid little crusade. Get fucked. |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 31 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jeremy Taylor on 08-Nov-2001 23:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (Mike Veroukis):
> Well I think you play very dirty!
> I back up every comment I make
> with my REAL name. Why do you feel you have
> to hide in the shadows? It is quite obviouse
Please excuse the provocation, but, what does your name add to what you
write? Who are you, hiding behind a "real name"? Why is your logic better
than one with a different name, or no name? Isn't truth the only thing
that counts? Why are you attacking those who may have a reason for not
writing their name in a public forum, and who admit doing so, while you
are apparently not even considering what is being written? Don't you think
the allegations deserve attention?
Jeremy
---
What ’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.
William Shakespeare
(in Romeo and Juliet. Act ii. Sc. 2. 1) |
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| Cloanto Licenses Picasso96 Software : Comment 32 of 32 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by djnick on 09-Nov-2001 00:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (Unisys):
Oh pleez, we don't need more fears like this... Gif picture licence?
Big deal! Please, I'd suggest you ppl to leave all these stuff away...
Lets see new Amiga appear, new AmigaOS appear... Then GIF licence should be
bought / licenced whatever.
Geez... What will happen next? |
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