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[News] AmigaONE to be released next yearANN.lu
Posted on 30-Oct-2001 15:57 GMT by Christian Kemp204 comments
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Alain writes: Eyetech made an annoucement. Check it out
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 101 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 31-Oct-2001 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Jürgen Lange):
"all the projects they had planned had stopped (AmigaDE for set top boxes etc.)."
What's the source of that information ?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 102 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Geforce 3 on 31-Oct-2001 07:16 GMT
I guess this may put the Amiga coverage in Micro Mart under threat.
They won`t waste editoral space on a system that is delayed, again and again and again......and probably will never be released.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 103 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 31-Oct-2001 07:33 GMT
@ smithy:
> When the money runs out people stop working. Would you work for free? No?
> Neither do software developers - they need to eat as well. We live in a
> capitalist-driven economy and nothing is free, especially software development.
smithy, if Amiga Inc. developers were this kind, the Amiga would never have
surfaced the first time. Double-check on Amiga history, about how often people
working on Amiga related projects got nothing in return.
It is not that unusual for startup employees to go through months without
getting payed.
@ Sinan:
> I guess buying a Pegasos mainboard is a better choice in the long term..
> Sooner or later, Hyperion/Eyetech will support Pegasos mainboard...Since
> they have to sell more games, apps that they are developing/porting
There are two problems with that:
1) The Pegasos doesn´t support the plug-in of AGA boards, and so cannot
run AmigaOS 4.0 - read the Eyetech statement again.
2) If the Pegasos board doesn´t run AmigaOS 4.0 but MorphOS, especially
Hyperion *cannot* support it (as they publically stated previously) since
their porting licenses include *AmigaOS* *only*, and MorphOS does not
qualify as *Amiga*OS.
So, no Pegasos support until AmigaOS 4.2 ("make OS4 fully device retargetable,
allowing all applications to be able to operate without the need for physically
attached older Amiga hardware").
And I still don´t see the significant advantage of the Pegasos board,
technology-wise.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 104 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by AlBolone on 31-Oct-2001 07:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Jürgen Lange):
@ Jürgen:
We're talking about information policy here. Great, that you knew about everything, but didn't! and what's worse is that they kept telling us that everything's going smoothly and fine... this is what I surely blame them for!!!
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 105 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by dark ness on 31-Oct-2001 08:05 GMT
I am also very disapointed about the fact that AOne will not be available.
Maybe should we wait for an official information from Amiga to put some light on the situation...
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 106 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 31-Oct-2001 08:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (dark ness):
Yes, it is dissapointing that Amiga have not released a statement but the Eyetech one should suffice as AmigaOne really is *their* project.
I wonder if Amiga had been more open about their problems whether or not the members of this "community" would have been big enough to volunteer /skilled/ assistance for free ( or pay on returns ) to help them.
Its real easy to sneer at what you are not part of, if you run with a startup for no further monetary reward then your house, your family, your livelyhood and probably your entire financial future is on the line.
I admire anyone with the guts to do that.
Dave
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 107 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 31-Oct-2001 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Dave):
I second that. I can imagine how hard it is to find financial backing these days, even without disclosing information on your financial troubles to a "community" public that scares off investors.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 108 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 31-Oct-2001 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Sinan):
I suggest you think twice before you say Hyperion will support "sooner or later" bPlan and Pegasos.
Unless you're a hidden Frieden brother or a hidden Heauser twin. Or maybe you've made a Voodoo puppet of Ben Hermans and manipulating him ? But maybe you're just my counter PR Manager ?
In the meantime, Hyperion has now a lot of work on the OS 4.0 and still has no plan for Morphos/Pegasos.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 109 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 31-Oct-2001 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Ben Yoris/Hyperion):
Go for it, Ben!
Oh, by the way... you still don´t happen to plan for an AmigaOS 4 emulated on generic hardware, do you? :-/ ;-)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 110 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by dark ness on 31-Oct-2001 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Dave):
I do not totally agree with you when you say :
[...] as AmigaOne really is *their* project [...]
AOne is the project of different companies. That's why the project stops when an actor of this project was not able to fullfill his goal.
So welcome on the team Hyperion !
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 111 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by dakang on 31-Oct-2001 09:17 GMT
Hey Chrisitian,
How about another poll:
"Do you think the Amiga One with Amiga OS4.0 will be out by March 2002"
:)
Sarcasm aside, Good luck to all involved....
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 112 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 31-Oct-2001 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Solar (BAUD)):
Hmm for some reason Voyager isnt letting me see the bottom of this
page so Im really replying to the comment below this one.
AmigaOne is the Eyetech part and all the hard work so far on that has
been AFAIK Eyetechs.
AmigaOS4.0 was H+Ps part, and now that is going to be coordinated by
Hyperion.
As this release was primarly about the AmigaOne I see no reason why
Eyetech should not be the ones to make the press release albiet on an
"Amiga Inc" sanctioned project.
What has happened is just real life.
My plan B - Linux 68k/PPC and porting applications to run on GG - is
still ticking over despite the delay in plan A. It gives me more time
to finish porting the lizard onto the GG codebase.
The MorphOS direction to me does not have much appeal , and its
credibility has in my eyes been undermined by all the bitching ( to be
fair much provoked ). But I intend to keep an open mind about it and
on its release seriously consider it as a developmet platform.
Once all these *currently vapourware* products have been released they
will stand up on their own strengths and weaknesses. Until then all
this bickering is just tedious propaganda.
Dave.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 113 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by CyberZorro on 31-Oct-2001 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (dark ness):
>So welcome on the team Hyperion !
Why welcome? They have been in the team since the announcement of OS4.0.
Although Hyperion is well into converting 3D-games I really
dont believe they can manage to deliver a complete OS in just about maybe 4 month or so. I expect them to have equal manpower to the MorphOS-team and they have needed much more than one year to get to current beta status. So if they really get it out one day the pegasos/morphos thing will be on sale for at least some months with support for "classic" PPC-Amigas as well and much better hardware specs.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 114 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan on 31-Oct-2001 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Ben Yoris/Hyperion):
You misunderstood me or I didn`t choose the right words..
I am not talking about MorphOS support..I am talking about Pegasos motherboard
I wanted to say that; When the time has come for OS 4.2 development, I hope Hyperion
and Bplan comes to agreement for hardware details...
Some months ago Warp3D support for Mediator was seen as impossible..But at the
end companies came to agreement and drivers are now official...
I am just hoping that same will happen between Bplan and Hyperion in the future..
I apologize if I upset you..
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 115 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 31-Oct-2001 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (CyberZorro):
Nota bene that AmigaOS 4.0 isn´t a completely *new* OS, but basically it´s AmigaOS 3.9 tweaked to run on PPC hardware, with some more things becoming "integrated" that previously required third party software. Thus, they have a head start over, say, the MorphOS team.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 116 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 31-Oct-2001 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Sinan):
No prob.
But don't please let's not anticipate on who will be working with who on such things etc...
Let's just see what happens and judge when it's real and there.
So far you may see the Pegasos/Morphos in a few weeks, and some weeks later you may see OS 4 running first on a CSPPC, then on an AmigaOne. It will be then the time to judge and choose your favorite toy.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 117 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Christoffer Aronzon (xchristofferx) on 31-Oct-2001 09:53 GMT
Hrm, well, too bad we won't see the AmigaONE this weekend. But, as always and as a lot of people have already said, delays are common in this business, have ANY Amiga projects actually been released on time the past seven years? None that I can recall... so this isn't really a big deal.
I also keep reading that no development has been done on OS 4.0? This seems odd since I've read noumerous press-releases that beta testing of parts of the OS has been don eon Amigas equiped with Prometheous boards and also, some parts were/are beeing tested by CS/BPPC users.
Oh well, I'm not going to dig into the old conspiracy and flame-box.
Come on Eyetech, just bring us this machine as soon as you can okay? There are a lot of us waiting for it!
Best of luck to you all.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 118 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 31-Oct-2001 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Sinan):
It should be understood that work on OS 4.0 has already been under way for months and that we are NOT starting from scratch.
Work was already undertaken by Olaf Barthel, the P96 team, H&P, ourselves and quite a number of other developers.
OS 4.0 still relies on the custom chips so it cannot be made to run on the Pegasos mobo "as is".
Whether the Pegasos mobo is supported in OS 4.2 or before, is a decision for Amiga Inc to make, not for Hyperion.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 119 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Darren Glenn on 31-Oct-2001 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Mikey C):
I'll be travelling down too, Ive already said i'll be there even if I have to walk a few hundred miles :)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 120 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 31-Oct-2001 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Im leaving this post in protest at a Voyager bug that means I cant see
the last post in the topic - by leaving this post Im hoping that it
will nudge the last post up enuff to see!
Ive also *for the first time ever* just used calculator on the Amiga (
OS 3.9 ) and it has a terrible casting error - type in 30000 and then
hit * once to see what I mean.
Was it ALWAYS this sucky?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 121 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 31-Oct-2001 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Im leaving this post in protest at a Voyager bug that means I cant see
the last post in the topic - by leaving this post Im hoping that it
will nudge the last post up enuff to see!
Ive also *for the first time ever* just used calculator on the Amiga (
OS 3.9 ) and it has a terrible casting error - type in 30000 and then
hit * once to see what I mean.
Was it ALWAYS this sucky?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 122 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 31-Oct-2001 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Dave):
Probably. You're just the first person to ever use it, that's all. :)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 123 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan on 31-Oct-2001 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
That was what I wanted to hear...
I guess Hyperion has nothing against Pegasos motherboard,
so if Amiga Inc makes the decision in the future, Hyperion
will provide support...Is that right ?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 124 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Redhouse on 31-Oct-2001 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Mike Veroukis):
Mike Veroukis said in comment 89:
"It does not clearly state when EyeTech suspended development of the AmigaOne. It simply states when they felt Amiga Inc was in trouble. To assume that they stopped development the instant they saw a sign of danger is jumping the gun a bit. Take special note of the "Hope was still high..." comment. They may have given Amiga Inc a grace period of a few months, perhaps assuming that Amiga Inc could pull through. Infact, it's quite possible the OS4.0 developers continued on for some time after May before halting. Infact, the date OS4.0 development was halted could have been very close to the date that H&P released that infamous statement that started a huge flame war here a couple of months ago. Infact this timing fits perfectly well with some theories as to when development actually stopped. To simply assume everything fell apart in May and Amiga Inc has lied to the community for months is a bit of a reach. The quote above does not clearly state or imply this. "
Mike is correct.
I try to use the clearest possible English in the status update but I have obviously failed to get the message across properly to everybody :(
Nowhere in my update does it say that OS4.0 had not started - and of course
quite a lot of work *has* been done - but that the original plan required
funding for OS4.0 to be *FINISHED*, and Amiga Inc had other priorities with
their restricted funding. Bill has made no secret of the financial
constraints that Amiga Inc were under at his public presentations at St
Louis and Sacramento this year.
What I said is that WE decided to put development of the A1 on ice UNTIL we
had a guarantee of a FINISH date of OS4.0. Of course development did not
suddenly halt immediately, as we were all expecting Amiga Inc to obtain
funding 'any day now'. But eventually other revenue-earning priorities took
over.
I have absolutely no difficulties with any of Amiga's decisions or actions.
They are exactly the same sort of business decisions that I would have made
in their position.
We went into the AmigaOne project with our eyes wide open knowing the risks
associated with events outside our control, and in no way hold Amiga Inc
responsible for OUR decision to suspend development of the A1. In fact -
again as I said in our update - we have all been trying very hard to obtain
an all round satisfactory resolution to an OS4.0 completion date that would
allow us to complete the A1 development and roll out into production. And
no, there is no point in announcing that a potential crisis exists whilst there
is still very real progress towards a resolution being made.
We obtained the agreement in principle earlier this week. This obtained, I
wanted to set the record straight immediately to dispel some of the rumours
and make sure that nobody made long journeys to WoA-SE on false expectations. As it is WoA-SE attendees will witness an historic contract signing.
Much of OS4.0 was planned to be implemented using the CSPPC in parallel with the
development of the AmigaOne hardware. The decision to expand the market for OS4.0 was an integral part of the 'no upfront cost to Amiga' part of the agreement.
Hope this helps
Alan
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 125 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 31-Oct-2001 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Alan Redhouse):
Thank you very much.
*takingahumblebow*
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 126 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 31-Oct-2001 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Sinan):
We're actually much more caring about the immediate future than any other further probability.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 127 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 31-Oct-2001 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Solar (BAUD)):
@Solar
It's always possible to do AmigaOS+WarpOS applications running fine
under MorphOS if people really want it.
Some ppc.library applications authors already do that since years,
making them running with ppclibemu too.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 128 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 31-Oct-2001 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Nicolas Sallin):
That´s not the point. It might be technically possible, but the contracts of Hyperion, as they said repeatedly themselves, only encompass ports to *Amiga* operating systems, i.e. any OS that comes from Amiga Inc. - and MorphOS does not, so Hyperion cannot support MorphOS with their ports because they would have to purchase yet another license for it. That´s what they stated, repeatedly.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 129 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by dark ness on 31-Oct-2001 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Alan Redhouse):
Thanks a lot for all those explanation Mr. Redhouse.
/* just a quote to all AOne 'actors'
Next time will it be possible not to forget the AOne site affirmation :
"Whenever Amiga One news happens, it appears here first." [http://www.amiga.com/products/one/news.php]
(it could help us think unity is not broken. Thanks.)
end quote */
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 130 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea on 31-Oct-2001 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Solar (BAUD)):
No, it wouldn't break any licence, unless it was a native MorphOS version. I mean, ensuring that the standard WarpOS versions runs under MorphOS emulation doesn't make it a different conversion, as long as the same executable is being used. If Descent:Freespace 68k happens to work under AmigaOS XL, and I see no reason why it shouldn't, as long as W3D works, would you say they broke a contract, because the game would actually be working under QNX, which is a different OS? I don't think so... There are just so many programs out there that are tested under UAE, too, for complete compatibility. This doesn't make them PC programs. In the end, even if Hyperion doesn't want to support MorphOS directly (understandable choice), making sure that their products work on it wouldn't do any harm to anyone. Instead both parties would benefit (from the presence of good products and from a wider audience respectively).
But of course, there's a lot of PRIDE on both sides preventing this from happening.
Kind regards,
Andrea
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 131 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Oct-2001 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (dark ness):
Ah but you commented it out therefore we dont have to read it.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 132 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Solar (BAUD) on 31-Oct-2001 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Andrea):
And quite some amount of extra testing (costs), don´t you think?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 133 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 31-Oct-2001 15:02 GMT
Right then, I think that wraps this thread up then. Here's what I understand.
The A1 has been delayed until the new year since OS4 will not be ready until then.
OS4 has been in development for a long time and Hyperion are also assisting in its prodcution.
Neither OS4 or A1 will be appearing at the WOA show on Saturday.
Neither will Annex.
There's a weird bug in the Calculator.
I hope everyone feels as enlightened as me to the current situation.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 134 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 31-Oct-2001 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Alan Redhouse):
>I wanted to set the record straight immediately to dispel some of the rumours
and make sure that nobody made long journeys to WoA-SE on false expectations.
On behalf of a lot of people THANKS !
That's clearly something that Fleecy failed to do some time ago...
(It was good luck that I did not manage to allure more than one workmate to do the 600km trip to meet him, Fleecy did not show up. When Petro did the same in 1999 (same week that Jim Collas was kicked out), he at least sent dozens of great prizes for comfort. Now it seems there might not be enough funds to arrange the meeting in future...)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 135 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Julian on 31-Oct-2001 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (smithy):
>QUOTE:
>However in May this year it became clear that Amiga Inc could not afford to >pay its subcontractors the amount it had budgeted - and agreed - for the >development of OS4.0. Hope was still high that funding would be imminent, but >venture capitalists do not make investment decisions lightly or quickly in the >wake of a tech stock melt down. Without a guaranteed delivery time we, >Eyetech, effectively suspended the development of the AmigaOne pending a >resolution of the OS4.0 developments.
>END QUOTE:
>Plain & simple facts:
>Eyetech has said OS4.0 development stopped in May.
>May was more than 3 months ago.
>May is not in August.
Amazing. Everyone going ape at Amiga, but if you read the quote again, you should all see something else that's bloody obvious and nobody has yet mentioned it. I'll quote the relvant bit again
QUOTE
Without a guaranteed delivery time we, Eyetech, effectively suspended the development of the AmigaOne pending a resolution of the OS4.0 developments.
END QUOTE
Not only has OS4 not progressed since May, but NEITHER HAS AMIGAONE (or so Eyetech claim)!!!!!!
Everyone's complaining about Amiga not informing them about the delay to OS4 and praising Eyetech over their 'honesty', but Eyetech have known all this time about the delay, have delayed their own dev of the AmigaOne, and left it until now to tell everyone. Eyetech sweeter than light? I don't think so!!!! During the past 3 months, why didn't Eyetech inform the public of the delay they knew would innevitably happen? If AmigaOne was really simply waiting for OS4, why didn't they instigate their deal with Amiga sooner, rather that wait for such a long time knowing that OS4 wasn't getting anywhere, and that their A1 depending on it also wasn't getting anywhere? There's only one reason, namely AmigaOne was never going to be ready by November irrespective of AmigaOS 4.0.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 136 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Douglas McLaughlin on 31-Oct-2001 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Julian):
WRONG! Progress on OS4 has been proceeding on MORE THAN ONE front WITH NO STOP since well before AmiWest'01.
I can't say more, but believe me, I speak the truth.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 137 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Julian on 31-Oct-2001 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Douglas McLaughlin):
The quotes I used were from Eyetech and unmodified. Eyetech themselves said that the A1 was put on ice. If Eyetech have been honest and the quotes are accurate, please inform me how I am wrong?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 138 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Julian on 31-Oct-2001 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Douglas McLaughlin):
The quotes I used were from Eyetech and unmodified. Eyetech themselves said that the A1 was put on ice. If Eyetech have been honest and the quotes are accurate, please inform me how I am wrong?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 139 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 31-Oct-2001 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Julian):
Actually, you interpreted what Eyetech said to mean more than it did. Here's what they said:
-In May, it became clear Amiga Inc could not FINISH the funding for OS 4.0. This does not mean ALL OS 4.0 development stopped, only that for which lack of funding was a major obstacle.
-Eyetech decided to stop AmigaOne development until a delivery time for OS 4.0 could again be guaranteed. This makes sense as without OS 4.0 AmigaOne could not be sold to pay the developers, and you can't keep completed but unusable stock hanging around doing nothing for very long.
There are still lots of unanswered questions, and lots of loose ends that don't add up, but you shouldn't expect to get the full low-down picture in a situation as complex as this. Cut Alan some slack, as he's not to blame.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 140 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 31-Oct-2001 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Rik Sweeney):
See, thats a thread with added value. Rare.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 141 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 31-Oct-2001 18:24 GMT
>No, Mike! I'd been told in March that Amiga Inc. were out of money. They had >no income after closeing their German office because all the projects they had >planned had stopped (AmigaDE for set top boxes etc.). The Party Pack was >something to get a little money for Bill's Cola and one or two pizzas. That is >real life.
So who are you and how do you know Bill so well that you know what he likes to drink with his Pizza??? Everyone talks about what they heard... But heard from who??? And I've heard that Elvis lives! Do you believe that too? There's enough rumours, half truths and lies in the community to start up several tabloids.
- Mike
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 142 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 31-Oct-2001 18:40 GMT
>When the money runs out people stop working. Would you work for free? No? >Neither do software developers - they need to eat as well. We live in a >capitalist-driven economy and nothing is free, especially software >development.
After reading Alan's post about my comments which you have replied to above, I don't feel I really need to reply to this, but I will anyways just for fun.
First of all, what do you know about their payment arrangements. Would Amiga Inc pay them in advance or on completion? Were they paid daily, weekly, bi-weekly, semi-monthly, monthly....??? Is Amiga Inc paying for the full cost of development or is it a joint investment? Amiga Inc have stated a 'no upfront cost to Amiga', which implies that funding by Amiga Inc is minimal.
FYI, most companies that budget from week to week don't hang around very long. Any company like H&P would have some cash reserve to cover their operating costs for some time. From what I can tell is that Amiga Inc is only assisting in the funding of the development of these projects, not fully funding them. So if their assistance stops it's quite likely that the actual developers themselves would have enough cash reserve to continue for some time. After all, developers like H&P and Hyperion have invested into the project already, might as well keep going and hope things clear up. I would imagine that things kept on going until sometime in August when it reached a critical point. I won't venture a guess as to what that may have been.
As a software developer myslef (on the WinTel market I'm afraid) I've seen this sort of thing from big multi-national companies. Delays happen all the time. Things get re-written or tossed out, or whatever. If Amiga delivered it on time I would be more then impressed! I'd be surprised!
- Mike
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 143 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mart on 31-Oct-2001 19:18 GMT
Hey, here something to be exited about.....
-Every month delay means that almost every part that A1 is made of wil be
cheaper and cheaper (example: RAM.HD,CPU's costs more today then they will next month)
-So, the final retail price of the A1 will shrink with every month delay, OR they will
use 'better' and 'faster' parts for the same price tag...
I'm I totally wrong here ? ALAN ?
Mart
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 144 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Lange on 31-Oct-2001 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Julian):
I think, Alan isn't telling the truth. In May Haage & Partner stated, that they were not able to finish their part of the OS without the hardware. There was no hardware in May, there was no hardware in August and there is no hardware today.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 145 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 31-Oct-2001 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Jürgen Lange):
While it is true that the AmigaOne hardware isn't finished, and that AOS 4.0 can't be finished itself until it can be tested and completed on a fully working AmigaOne, you shouldn't believe all the statements you heard in May.
Or August, for that matter.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 146 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 31-Oct-2001 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (Mike Veroukis):
Actually I think Amiga dealers know quite well what's going on behind
the scene.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 147 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Lange on 31-Oct-2001 19:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (Mike Veroukis):
Who was telling that Bill is drinking Cola? Oh, it was Bill himself. Mike, what makes you believe, that Alan is telling the truth?
It isn't true, that all development for AmigaOS 4.0 was stopped. It is true, that some of the third party developers had stopped working for AmigaOS 4.0, because they saw no chance to see a finished AmigaOne.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 148 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 31-Oct-2001 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Jürgen Lange):
>I think, Alan isn't telling the truth. In May Haage & Partner stated, that >they were not able to finish their part of the OS without the hardware. There >was no hardware in May, there was no hardware in August and there is no >hardware today
Assuming your quote above is accurate, then all that tells me is that H&P can't finish OS4.0 until the AmigaOne is done. It does not state that H&P (or anyone else for that matter) couldn't have continued developing OS4.0. It is quite obvious that they would need the actual hardware to finish the OS, however, it was also stated at the time that development of the OS was done on existing PPC cards. Perhaps I'd agree with you if back in May H&P stated that they are at a stage where they require the AmigaOne hardware for continued development. However that was never stated, so why assume it?
- Mike
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 149 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Lange on 31-Oct-2001 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Bill Hoggett):
What is wrong with Haage&Partner's statement? Why shouldn't I believe this, Bill? One result of this statement is AmigaOS XL. And this is a real product (thanks to Bernie, Harald and those who have done the XL part).
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 150 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 31-Oct-2001 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Jürgen Lange):
>Who was telling that Bill is drinking Cola? Oh, it was Bill himself. Mike, >what makes you believe, that Alan is telling the truth?
Well, to put it simply, I don't know you, or your relation to Amiga Inc or EyeTech. I know who Alan Redhouse is and how he's connected to Amiga Inc. To put it more simply, he's an insider and you're an outsider (just like me). Until you can show to me that you really know what you speak off to be true, I don't know why I should take your word (or anyone else's) over someone like Alan's. You might be 100% right in all this, but you can't just throw out statements like that without any credibility.
- Mike
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