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[News] AmigaONE to be released next yearANN.lu
Posted on 30-Oct-2001 15:57 GMT by Christian Kemp204 comments
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Alain writes: Eyetech made an annoucement. Check it out
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 51 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 30-Oct-2001 19:37 GMT
Yeah, really nice work eyetech. Announcing 3 days before OFFICIAL launch that it will take another couple of months. Actually, when reading the announcement again, i am actually wondering if ANY work on AmigaOS4.0 is done yet?
I subscribed to amiga active again 3 months back to see my dream come true and actually read about a new amiga in 8 years in a magazine. So i thought a 6 month subscription would definately make it.
Oh well, my copy of Amithlon is on it's way.
Oh and, wasn't the first real target August? August->november->????
Oh what's new?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 52 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2001 19:49 GMT
come on guys i know its abit dissapointing but, i think the end result will be great!.
hopefully it gives them time to add new features make more drivers etc etc.
its good news about the cyberstorm ppc support my friend will be happy.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 53 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 30-Oct-2001 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ugr):
Bplan today made the announcement that the official presentation of
Pegasos will be on Nov 17th/18th at Amiga2001 in Cologne. They also
updated the specs on the website and named the graphic card producers
which are currently supported. But hey that's not MNN as Graham
always says.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 54 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht (darklite) on 30-Oct-2001 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
in reply to an idiot who thinks merlancia outdated, well yes to a certain degree but dam that shit that eyetech is sellign is even more so
1) I'm not an idiot
2) Yes, the A1 is ever more outdated
3) I like the Pegasos specs, although I have no intention to buy it (just to show that I'm no x86-good-everything-else-bad kinda guy :)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 55 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht (darklite) on 30-Oct-2001 20:09 GMT
Maybe we should set up a petition in an attempt to convince Hyperion to cooperate with the MorphOS, AROS and Amithlon teams?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 56 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mart on 30-Oct-2001 20:11 GMT
'All parties are now working flat out once more to ensure that OS4.0
and the AmigaOne can now be launched in tandem early in the New Year.'
EARLY in the NEW year ? What would that be ? January, February....
Doesn't sound like just 2 extra months to me.
I assume Bill knew about his own problems when he said 'November the 1st
will see the release of 3 new products: the AmigaOne, OS4 and AmigaOSx86'
How and why would/did he state something like this ?
'This allows the development of OS4.0 to start immediately'
WHAT ? I thought they stated that OS4 was already being worked on ?
Did they pull the plug on it only to start again ? or are they RE-starting it ?
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to hear something from the project !
(didn't bill say 'if it's not on the AmigaInc site its NOT true' ?)
Anyway, looking forward to the AmigaOne and hoping we won't hear something similar in Jauary !
Mart
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 57 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 30-Oct-2001 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (TRUTHSAYER):
Ladies and Gentlemen... may I present to you... Shawn "the arch-bus guy".
I think we've heard it all before on many mailing lists, even the ones that Shawn has been kicked off of. It's amazing really, because Eyetech are using "AmigaOne" as the name of the system he thought he would get royalties but since he couldn't he is a bit upset about it and takes his frustration out on Eyetech publicly when previously he was backing their efforts 100% (have a look at his web site for proof of that). You can lead a horse to the watering hole, but you can't make them drink. Mind you, this is not meant as an attack or a flame but more of an education to those who do not know Shawn a.k.a. "AmigaTheOne" and I appologize if this is taken any differently from pure educational value.
For those who say one system is outdated over another, the instant anything hits the shelves it is already outdated. It doesn't matter what it is or who makes it. That is just a fact of the technology industry at a global scale.
As far as northbridge chips being in low supply, that is a well known fact. If you are a small corporation and tried to get a lot of 1000 units back in may, you would not have been able to do so without subletting into private contracting with a specific chip maker. For proof of this information, look at the delays with the POP boards, the delays they had were for the same reason, lack of northbridge chipsets.
I'm glad Eyetech let the cat out of the bag though, it was going to be an interesting situation this weekend if nothing had been announced beforehand. I'm looking forward to hearing more about Merlancia, bPlan, and others... "Gentlemen... Start your engines!"
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 58 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 30-Oct-2001 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Brecht (darklite)):
<Amiga without the name
No. Morphos is nice (I'm all for more options), but MorphOs is not real port of the OS (I can't believe that some people are still confused about this). Morphos is a great alternative until a new OS take off-- if Amiga makes a viable and exciting 4.x, then there is suddenly a reason to upgrade. So there is no reason to wait, but if Amiga One is a success, then there is a real reason to leave MorphOs behind.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 59 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by S. Senff on 30-Oct-2001 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Brecht (darklite)):
If anyone with an amiga site in their hands makes a "one community - one
product" petition, I will surely sign it. Maybe even API compatibility or
something in this direction would already be a step into the right direction.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 60 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by geoff on 30-Oct-2001 21:08 GMT
I am probably one of the silent majority (hopefully), but I have to stick my head over the wall and say thanks to Eyetech for putting out the truth. I will certainly be at WoA, and look forward to it.
Anyway isn't the 1st April standard issue day for all things Commodore ? ;-)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 61 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Ralph Schmidt on 30-Oct-2001 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (the man in the shadows):
>As far as northbridge chips being in low supply, that is a well known fact. If you are a small corporation and
>tried to get a lot of 1000 units back in may, you would not have been able to do so without subletting into private
>contracting with a specific chip maker. For proof of this information, look at the delays with the POP boards,
>the delays they had were for the same reason, lack of northbridge chipsets.
Wrong..the MPC107 is available.
POP wasn't shipping because *its*(there are others) "northbridge"..others
say...pci/memory controller...wasn't working satisfying.
Expecially this custom chip excuse is so off the mark...the original design
was *ALWAYS* about some own 66mhz PCI mapped to AGP fpga chipset and 66Mhz
SDRam memorybus when it was the Predator project at DCE.
Using FPGAs for bus/pci controller limits your design to
o low frequencies -> ramclock is slow...66-83Mhz is realistic for
an affordable FPGA
o compexity -> no real buffer management which you need for
writecombining on the pci/agp bus as the PPC can't do bursts
to nocache areas.
That means..without writecombining pci/agp gfx *framebuffer* accesses
are slow.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 62 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by amidelf on 30-Oct-2001 21:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Brecht (darklite)):
>I dont understand why people are discussing and messing with MorphOS and bPlan? Why? AmigaOS is the original.. why cant MorphOS and those other AmigaOS alike OS'es be another choices? .. I am getting tired of the MorphOS people... Like Sama bin Laden prayers.. Just kidding :)..
Because MorphOS is/was AmigaOS4 without the name "AmigaOS"
Huh... its not.. AmigaOS is AmigaOS.. MorphOS is NOT AmigaOS! Get it! I have
nothing against MorphOS at all!!! But its not AmigaOS at all!
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 63 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 30-Oct-2001 21:25 GMT
Ok. It's very good they are being open and telling us what has been
going on. Great.
In my opinion there are two important facts in this release:
a) Serious development of OS4 hasn't even started yet (But it's going
to be started Real Soon Now (tm), since there is now some kind of plan
for how it will be done, although AmigaInc won't put any money into
the project).
b) When things look Really Bad (tm), we won't get to hear about it.
Unless things look a little brighter again, we won't hear a thing.
I wish Eyetech & Co best of luck. However, there's no way I'm going to
wait for what they are saying they are doing, if something else
materializes that I actually can buy and that offers me something I
want. Their work might obviously be suspended indefinitely without any
public notice. Which is understandable, but nevertheless something
that must be calculated with.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 64 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 30-Oct-2001 21:26 GMT
To be honest I reckon that if Eyetech (or whoever since I don't want to blame anyone) had said months ago that A1 had been shelved pending a solution but they would find one eventually, a large number of people would have just thought "Fuck this, I can't be bothered anymore." By leaving announcing a delay of a couple more months I think people will be prepared to wait a little longer.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 65 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by FUD on 30-Oct-2001 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Johan Rönnblom):
Yes, yes, this is all well and good.
As per the norm in the Amiga community, the senseless finger pointing has started. Minor delays are common in this industry. This is not uncommon, but what is uncommon may be denoted as follows:
Firstly, biased (and not surprisingly unconfirmed/ undoubtedly borderline slanderous)statement released by Eyetech, reeks of a covering of ones gluteus.
Secondly, one might suspect that Eyetech has entered into a non disclosure agreement with all parties involved in this venture, and has likely breeched it. I cant imagine that anyone could make any such statements without the express approval of their partners? Imagine HP making such a statement of M$ ??
I am starting to think that this is a hoax and that 60 odd posters have wasted their time.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 66 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 30-Oct-2001 21:49 GMT
Well, it seems as though Eyetech are trying to be honest with us, even if it did take almost half a year!
It does not look like Amiga are going to have any serious involvment in the Amiga OS after all! (a bit of a u-turn again!?)
On a positive note Hyperion generaly seem to release software eventualy!
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 67 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Oct-2001 21:49 GMT
>Well the problems must have appeared after August 1st as back then
>there was an announcement by Amiga Inc. that the AmigaOne is
>developing well and that they are only one week behind the schedule.
That makes sense. If the AmigaOne is to be out early next year (say end of January) then they're behind about Three months. Three months ago it was late July (or early August). So yeah, the problems could have started sometime after August 1st.
- Mike
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 68 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by SteveW on 30-Oct-2001 21:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (FUD):
this "hoax" is also present on Eyetech page
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 69 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 30-Oct-2001 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (David Scheibler):
Yeah, their list is : S3®, SIS®, 3DLabs®, 3Dfx®. Not good, not at all. What this means is they support Virge, Voodoo3 and permedia2. Why the hell they drop support for eg. Matrox ???? Matrox was mentioned on bPlan's page but it is not in that list :P I'm quite sure G550 would be much better than any of the cards made by companies mentioned in that list :P
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 70 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n on 30-Oct-2001 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (NihilVor):
All credit for Eyetech to step forward and lay it out "as is".
Firstly, on the odd occasion Alan has been as forthcoming as he could be.
Again this is the case.
At least he is transparent with his statement.
Here are my thoughts.
1. Its a bit late, could have headed a lot of critical comments and ideas by making an earlier announcement.
2. Why do I get a strange feeling that there is more of this than meets the eye ?
Amiga have ploughed the furrow of "nothing is true until we say so", but this kind of breaks the mould. I guess it can only go three ways ..
A/ Amiga endorse and work with Eyetech as stated
B/ Amiga issue a denial
C/ Amiga issue a clouded statement offering yet more confusion, or offer the usual silent wall of comment
Sadly, reading between the lines, it looks a bit like Escena had to bail and do some blue chip work to stay afloat.
It looks like Eyetech have made an honest attempt to get this out of the door with Amiga's limited and reduced ability to support as initially planned.
Eyetech have a history of producing amiga kit. And when I say produce I mean they actually get it to us the users.
I guess we will have to wait and see if it works out. Eyetech still seem to be left with doing rather a lot.
As for Hyperion, the talented folks there are I suspect as capable of getting an OS update out as much as anyone else. Lets hope they do that.
Despite people bashing H&P - I have to say that they did a resonable job on 3.5/3.9 on very limited resources, and its a shame that things are so very splintered these days.
There is still an amazing amount of talent out there, amid a fair amount of dross.
I just ponder if there had been a stronger mother company if this thing could have been far more solid and involved far more talent than the limits that are abound within the current scheme.
I wish everyone well with both the OS work and the hardware work. I would certainly not like to see Eyetech suffer for their investment.
AdmV
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 71 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by nemoo on 30-Oct-2001 21:53 GMT
Bill & Fleecy: Don't dare to make even one more of your misleading, illusionary and "excited" announcements... we're sick and tired of them!!! If you ever have something of real information value to adress, leave it to Eyetech... at least they know how to talk to a trusting public!
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 72 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 30-Oct-2001 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (FUD):
it's only a waste of time when 60 odd posters start flogging the same old dead horse again. This thread is certainly not the worst I've read. Either this stuff comes out in a few months, or we'll all be so far down a different road (Amithlon, MorphOS, etc.) so as not to care. Personally, that 1200-like design for $999 looks good to me...
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 73 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 30-Oct-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (HammerD):
HammerD writes:
H> My understanding is that many of the existing OS 4.0 code is compiled
H> also for 68K. Don't ignore these users when considering an update for
H> the OS.
My understanding is that the existing OS 4.0 code (namely, FFS and
RoadShow) has never run on anything but 68k.
Eyetech's announcement clearly states that besides those two parts,
the development of 4.0 hasn't started yet. That includes the kernel
and the emulator. Now 2-3 months is barely the time needed to remove
the *main* bugs from the system once the whole thing has reached
beta-testing level (an emulator is a *major* pain to debug).
So the new time line is just as ridiculous as the previous one.
Anything delay below one year is unrealistic. Either AI has no clue
about OS development, or they lie like they have done so far.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 74 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Oct-2001 22:02 GMT
>There was a thread on ANN a few weeks back which posted details of what H&P >had allegedly said on the OS4 topic. We can now see that this post was indeed >correct. Now, all the BAFs can apologise to Ralph for slandering, and making >personal insults towards him!!
I don't think so! To me it seemed like he was "informing" the community of the facts not for our benefit but to help Amiga's demise. Amiga of course being his #1 competitor. Not a very cool thing to do. It's like kicking someone when he's down.
Not to mention, he stated that there will be no AmigaOne, only Amithlon. By the looks of it, he wasn't exactly accurate on that.
- Mike
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 75 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 30-Oct-2001 22:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
They didn't say that they dropped Matrox did they? This is just the
list of the currently supported card suppliers which means that these
drivers exist *now*. And I guess there will be more graphic cards
supported when the board ships and if you followed the CGX news then
you might have seen that it seems that they are working on graphic
card drivers most of the Amiga users are/were dreaming about.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 76 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 30-Oct-2001 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Navvie):
Navvie wrote.
"Relying on a good attendance? From what i've heard you've made back the costs already,
what with exhibitors paying for their space and all, once one person walks through the door
you made a profit... I'm impressed really :) "
Hmm Yes, providing all the exhibitors/turn up/pay up on the day, we will have broken even on the cost
of hiring the venue only.
Has anyone actually seen a WoA SE Ticket? Nice aren't they and certainly not cheap. They cost a ton.
Add to that the money for the Public Liability insurance, the money for Employees Insurance.
(that is to cover a volunteer in case of an accident or I and anyone else involved could get sued to bankruptcy)
and you can see that we aren't exactly retiring any day soon :(
We are hoping to make a small profit, if we do, the money goes back to the usergroups whom contributed.
They can use the money as they feel. Speaking on behalf of ANT (I hope the chairman won't mind) any monies
that come back to the UG will go on a slap up xmas meal for our regular members.
What this will mean in real life is that instead of McDonalds we might be able to afford Pizza!
No one individual involved in this year's show is making any personal monetory gain.
But I digress, As Bill Hoggett kindly said. We are more interested in a large turnout because we want
to show the dealers that there is still a market and that it is worth them hanging on just a bit longer.
Please show your support on the day, buy something from a dealer, it doesn't have to be much, but just enough between us
to help them through Xmas.
And please don't say there isn't anything to buy, there is.
Regards
Mikey C
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 77 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by fud on 30-Oct-2001 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Mike Veroukis):
Ralph is nothing if not a pirate. He is likely aware of his fate, as are his supporters. He is gonna git it, sooner than later. Thief.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 78 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Arild Kvam on 30-Oct-2001 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (|4|):
The hardware shouldn't be outdated in terms of CPU-power as they can be changed
quite easly. Both IBM and Motorola are making faster G3's/G4's and the new G5
is not so far away.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 79 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Oct-2001 23:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (NihilVor):
>So there is no reason to wait, but if Amiga One is a success, then there is a >real reason to leave MorphOs behind.
Sorry, but most people will judge by product-quality, not by the irrelevant presence of a brandname.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 80 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Oct-2001 23:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (S. Senff):
The last time anybody co-operated with Amiga Inc, this is what happened:
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/addbar.php?Address=/NEWS/AMIGA001.HTM
No wonder nobody wants to dance with them.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 81 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by fud on 30-Oct-2001 23:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (smithy):
Sure Smithy,
You are it man. Spent all that money on your brand. And to make such statements that are just soooo beleivable. Smithy.com, here we come
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 82 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Oct-2001 23:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Rik Sweeney):
>By leaving announcing a delay of a couple more months I think people will be >prepared to wait a little longer.
No, this kind of behaviour by Amiga Inc just makes them look incompetant, unprofessional, badly managed - but more crucially, it is annoying people - and these people will find what they want in REAL solutions like AROS or MorphOS.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 83 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Oct-2001 23:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Mike Veroukis):
>That makes sense. If the AmigaOne is to be out early next year (say end of >January) then they're behind about Three months. Three months ago it was late >July (or early August). So yeah, the problems could have started sometime >after August 1st.
Read Eyetech's statement more carefully, especially this part:
QUOTE:
However in May this year it became clear that Amiga Inc could not afford to pay its subcontractors the amount it had budgeted - and agreed - for the development of OS4.0. Hope was still high that funding would be imminent, but venture capitalists do not make investment decisions lightly or quickly in the wake of a tech stock melt down. Without a guaranteed delivery time we, Eyetech, effectively suspended the development of the AmigaOne pending a resolution of the OS4.0 developments.
END QUOTE:
Plain & simple facts:
Eyetech has said OS4.0 development stopped in May.
May was more than 3 months ago.
May is not in August.
What has Amiga Inc said about OS4.0 AFTER May (and after development was stopped)?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 84 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Arild Kvam on 30-Oct-2001 23:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (the man in the shadows):
Does anyone know how much Amiga Inc. had to pay?
I'm also wondering if this is the reason for the delays of the AmigaOne.
Did Amiga Inc. rely to heavily on the "thought to be income" from the sale of
their shares to the community?
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 85 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 30-Oct-2001 23:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (smithy):
On August 1st, Amiga Inc. announced that they first were 2 weeks
behind the schedule but that they had now reduced it to only one week.
Also Bill 'exciting' McEwen said that "the first week of August will
see full system boards delivered to the OS4 team for preparation to
move AmigaOS4 from the test bed machine."
And another quote: "AmigaOS4, which will only run on the Eyetech
AmigaOne, is moving forward nicely." (...) "The PPC 68k emulator is
being fine tuned and the new Amiga PCI library is being profiled
against the Eyetech AmigaOne live PCI slots."
See http://www.amiga.com/corporate/080101-amiwest.shtml
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 86 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2001 23:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Mike Veroukis):
>I don't think so! To me it seemed like he was "informing" the community of the
>facts not for our benefit but to help Amiga's demise. Amiga of course being his
>#1 competitor. Not a very cool thing to do. It's like kicking someone when he's
>down.
>
Wait a minute...Ralph wanted to show that when even (his archenemy ;) H&P gets
the point of AInc & Eyetech not being able to deliver their products, it is finally
time for the community to step out of their dream world and not to parrot everything
AInc says solely for the sake of unity and wishful thinking.
If I had not given up hope to see AAA, I would not have bought my A1200 till now. ;-)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 87 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Oct-2001 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (fud):
You are a sad and misguided individual, mister.
But I can feel some pity for you.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 88 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Oct-2001 23:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Mike Veroukis):
"I don't think so! To me it seemed like he was "informing" the community of the facts not for our benefit but to help Amiga's demise. Amiga of course being his #1 competitor. Not a very cool thing to do. It's like kicking someone when he's down. "
I don't agree with you that keeping people in the dark is the thing to do. But if you really want to live in a nice cloud, cut off from the world then you need to stop whinging about people's desire to speak out the truth and
un-install Miami, AmiTCP or whatever, because the internet aint the place for you.
"Not to mention, he stated that there will be no AmigaOne, only Amithlon. By the looks of it, he wasn't exactly accurate on that. "
No, he said that there is now only one choice for a PPC OS.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 89 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Oct-2001 23:52 GMT
QUOTE:
However in May this year it became clear that Amiga Inc could not afford to pay its subcontractors the amount it had budgeted - and agreed - for the development of OS4.0. Hope was still high that funding would be imminent, but venture capitalists do not make investment decisions lightly or quickly in the wake of a tech stock melt down. Without a guaranteed delivery time we, Eyetech, effectively suspended the development of the AmigaOne pending a resolution of the OS4.0 developments.
END QUOTE:
It does not clearly state when EyeTech suspended development of the AmigaOne. It simply states when they felt Amiga Inc was in trouble. To assume that they stopped development the instant they saw a sign of danger is jumping the gun a bit. Take special note of the "Hope was still high..." comment. They may have given Amiga Inc a grace period of a few months, perhaps assuming that Amiga Inc could pull through. Infact, it's quite possible the OS4.0 developers continued on for some time after May before halting. Infact, the date OS4.0 development was halted could have been very close to the date that H&P released that infamous statement that started a huge flame war here a couple of months ago. Infact this timing fits perfectly well with some theories as to when development actually stopped. To simply assume everything fell apart in May and Amiga Inc has lied to the community for months is a bit of a reach. The quote above does not clearly state or imply this.
- Mike
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 90 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd Meyer on 30-Oct-2001 23:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Emmanuel Lesueur):
> An emulator is a *najor* pain to debug
Amen!
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 91 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 31-Oct-2001 00:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Mike Veroukis):
QUOTE:
However in May this year it became clear that Amiga Inc could not afford to pay its subcontractors the amount it had budgeted - and agreed - for the development of OS4.0.
END QUOTE
>It does not clearly state when EyeTech suspended development of the AmigaOne.
I was talking about OS4.
"[...] Infact, it's quite possible the OS4.0 developers continued on for some time after May before halting. Infact, the date OS4.0 development was halted could have been very close to the date that H&P released that infamous statement that started a huge flame war here a couple of months ago."
When the money runs out people stop working. Would you work for free? No? Neither do software developers - they need to eat as well. We live in a capitalist-driven economy and nothing is free, especially software development.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 92 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Oct-2001 00:24 GMT
It's time to start up the 50hp shitpump again
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 93 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Agimax on 31-Oct-2001 00:51 GMT
It would be better if the software (os4.0+) would be compiled for PPC & x86, and no Amiga-ONE would be produced. Let the users 'slap' together what they want, and go with it. If the developers spent the last few years making OS4.0+ and let it run on cheap, plentiful hardware, we would have ONE hell of an OS.
Don't kid yourself into thinking spending 300.00+ dollars for hardware 'interlaced' 1200 equipment will upgrade without spending a fortune from limited greedy developers. I WAS a faithful follower of AMIGA for more than 10 years. It's time to PUT out OR GO out for developers. This userbase is weak, the developers are greedy, and the community in CHAOS.
I will probably slap together a ATHLON/XP system based on the DRAGON 266a motherboard with Gforce3/4. Maybe get the AMITHLON for 'good ole times'.
PS. My system will be on E-Bay next month (an AMIGA USERS DREAM BOX)
Agimax
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AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 94 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 31-Oct-2001 01:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (smithy):
>>So there is no reason to wait, but if Amiga One is a success, then there is a >real reason to
leave MorphOs behind.
> Sorry, but most people will judge by product-quality, not by the irrelevant presence of a
> brandname.
Agreed, that is what I'm saying. Amiga 4.X has the potential to be a better product (features, compatability, etc.). But it all depends on the final product. If it excites people, they will buy it.
The difference is, what is currently available. If Amiga then offers what they promise, then it is a different story.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 95 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Gibbons on 31-Oct-2001 02:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (geoff):
After all these years of waiting ...
You have got to laugh a little or you would cry!
Eyetech high fives to you for being so honest and straight forward. You folks can hold your heads high!
Eyetech will get my business again.
It was great to meet Allen and his Lady in St. Louis 2000 & 2001.
"Carry your work plumb" someone once said to me.
And another said, "The first will be last and the last will be first."
We can wait a little longer Eyetech!!!
May God speed thee on thy way.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 96 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Taylor on 31-Oct-2001 02:36 GMT
I'm starting a New job soon that will give me the capital to BUY the AmigaONE & other things. I Am looking forward to the AmigaONE! I WILL Own 1...More if *GOOD* & I'm Sure it WILL be! :) I don't mind waiting for what I Know WILL kick ***!! :)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 97 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 31-Oct-2001 05:18 GMT
Easy does it.
Great to see that Alan is confident about the future.
And now I know that because AmigaOne is not coming that soon, I have some time to play with Amithlon and Mediator4000 in the meanwhile... (but where's the mediator4000 ?)
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 98 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 31-Oct-2001 05:20 GMT
Sorry to say, but we might see the AmigaOne as a candidate for vaporware 2001.
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 99 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan on 31-Oct-2001 05:31 GMT
I guess buying a Pegasos mainboard is a better choice in the long term..
Sooner or later, Hyperion/Eyetech will support Pegasos mainboard...Since
they have to sell more games, apps that they are developing/porting
I hope WarpUP emulation is updated in future MorphOS versions, so that it will be possible
to run Hyperion games without problems on a Pegasos motherboard...
No offense to Escena designers, but Gerald Carda & co. has designed the Pegasos
and I guess they are more experienced at Amiga & PPC related problems since they
also designed CSPPC and BPPC
AmigaONE to be released next year : Comment 100 of 204ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Lange on 31-Oct-2001 05:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Mike Veroukis):
> To simply assume everything fell apart in May
> and Amiga Inc has lied to the community for
> months is a bit of a reach.
No, Mike! I'd been told in March that Amiga Inc. were out of money. They had no income after closeing their German office because all the projects they had planned had stopped (AmigaDE for set top boxes etc.). The Party Pack was something to get a little money for Bill's Cola and one or two pizzas. That is real life.
Jürgen
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