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Posted on 05-Nov-2001 07:19 GMT by Christian Kemp90 comments
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I'm a bit surprised this wasn't mentioned and discussed anywhere else: Before anyone else asks , yes the contract was signed. Alan explained that the contract gave Eyetech, Hyperion, H+P etc the right to develop os4.0. Amiga Inc will then take control of the OS back for a 'consideration'. (Taken from the World of Amiga Souteast show thread.)
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 51 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 05-Nov-2001 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Elwood):
Ok I can see that some knowledge is important for developers. But email Hyperion and ask them what you need to know, I am sure they will help... Please remember that they havn't been in charge of the OS project for that long time.
Or wait and see if the Cologne show gives you some answers.
I am also sure you are more than welcome to make suggestions regarding OS4+, in fact Gary has been very kind in responding to all my emails. If they choose to use your ideas are a diffrent matter though.
Best Regards
Troels E
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 52 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 05-Nov-2001 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Troels Ersking):
>With Hyperion in charge....
>-does this mean that there won't be an X86 version of AmigaOS?
I think that Hyperion clearly stated that they will *NOT* support an x86 version of the OS with their games, because x86 owners will dual boot anyway, so why port a game to AmigaOS x86 when the same games already exsist for windows and 50% cheaper.
Furthermore it's not up to Hyperion to decide if there will be a x86 or not. That's *only* up to AmigaInc. But I think that you may say that if AmigaInc. decides that there'll be a x86 port done, Hyperion will not do the job.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 53 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 05-Nov-2001 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Amifan):
If you are only ever going to PORT games then the argument holds up. However I would think with the talent of Hyperion plenty of original games will be forthcoming once the userbase swells again.
Dave.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 54 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Alcemyst on 05-Nov-2001 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Troels Ersking):
Yes they have give a Good reason IMO.
But some ppl choose to ignore it totally & carry on complaining as if
no reason was given.
Money makes the world go round & its quite common that if you run out
of it, most things stop.
But some ppl seem to think that Amiga.Inc
can run on thin air alone & all parties involved
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 55 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 05-Nov-2001 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Alcemyst):
I suspect that a lot of people only have a rudimentary, nay remedial, understanding of business, software engineering and real life (TM).
LAGs and YOBs ;-)
Dave.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 56 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by -pekr- on 05-Nov-2001 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (adam cheese):
Adam,
maybe you should do the same as I did :-) I have my private list of amiga-fanatics (tm). The more I read their opinion, the less I want to be part of so called amiga community :-)
1) Samface
2) Graham
3) Amifan
4) Mekanix
Well, the most difficult part is, that with each post of those ppl, I never know, who is best, and who will win amiga-fanatic (tm) gold medal :-)
-pekr-
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 57 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Nov-2001 16:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Elwood):
>>Can you please give me the phone number at Microsoft or Apple
>I thought Amiga was not like those companies. Maybe I'm wrong.
>And I still remember Bill McEwen saying something like "Amiga is
>the company of the community"....(but I probably ask for too much :)
>
Don't you remember AInc hiring some Microsoft staff?
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 58 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Nov-2001 16:52 GMT
I think it's all some kind of snake oil.
Look, Amiga community, something's happening...we have a sheet of paper, just look!
WOW, I'm so excited, now the future looks really bright!!! :-P
Btw - what does Ben mean with "get your ass to the Cologne show."?
I'm pretty sure we'll see a running MorphOS and some other goodies on Pegasos rev2,
but what about the actual Amiga stuff - do we see a glimpse of AOne or OS4?
Come on, Ben, tell us what to expect, or do you just prepare for the big celebrity
deathmatch? :^)
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 59 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 05-Nov-2001 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
McEwen said it at the 2000 St.Louis show, some big unnamed M$ exec that everyone would know would be coming to Amiga, nothing ever came of it, just more of his happy talk.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 60 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 05-Nov-2001 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (-pekr-):
Your list got one major flaw, I'm not using an Amiga and haven't for almost 2 years. FreeBSD is one cool OS.
But if slashing out at characters who is doing business in public forums, who enjoy fueling flamewars, who is spreading FUDs, who believe that trashing your opponent is a better salesargument than the technical merrits of your product and generally behave like and arse, well the by all means call me an "Amiga Fanatic".
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 61 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 05-Nov-2001 17:53 GMT
Another appeal to Hyperion, Amiga and others:
Cut the crap, SHOW us!
I want updates for my miggy!
I do not have choices, so, MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Stop wasting your time here.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 62 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by a on 05-Nov-2001 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Interesting. So AmigaOS 4.0 will be AROS, right? Thought you have the sourcecode???
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 63 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Harry on 05-Nov-2001 18:10 GMT
@ Ben Hermans:
Will the Pegasos hardware be supported by AmigaOS 4? It's the only clean solution out there and does not require any legacy hardware. I definately
won't buy the AmigaOne (as will many others I know) but the Pegasos or
the Merlancia one (CLEAN solutions! Really NEW hardware! FAST!) .. if AmigaOS 4 runs on it, fine, I'll use it .. if only MorphOS runs on it: bye bye AMIGA.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 64 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Alcemyst on 05-Nov-2001 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Harry):
Ben
what has your comment got to do with the topic.
& very time something said about AmigaOs4 & AmigaOne is then
replyed with a MorphOs or Bplan response you put ppl off MorphOs &
bplan.
i wonder how many ppl would like a Window-XP reply to every Amiga
Question.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 65 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 05-Nov-2001 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Troels Ersking):
> But email Hyperion and ask them
> what you need to know, I am sure they will
> help...
Hmm if I had all answers I needed the community
would have now a powerfull tool for the OS.
> Please remember that they havn't been in
> charge of the OS project for that long time.
Yes I know that. That's why I'll give them one more
chance (again ;)
>Or wait and see if the Cologne show gives you
>some answers.
With those answers I could show you this tool at
there. So if I wait Cologne to have answers, the
community will wait 2 weeks more to see this tool...
> I am also sure you are more than welcome to make
> suggestions regarding OS4+, in fact Gary has
> been very kind in responding to all my emails.
Sure but Gary is not taking decision about OS4.
(or someone lied to me :)
> If they choose to use your ideas are a diffrent
> matter though.
Sure but in that case, they just can say "We're not
interested"...
An Amigan still waiting...
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 66 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 05-Nov-2001 19:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (a):
> So AmigaOS 4.0 will be AROS, right?
No.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 67 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht on 05-Nov-2001 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Amifan):
Dream on. Showing overpriced hardware won't convince alot of people.
Besides, what can an Amiga do that a Windows box can't these days?
CHEAP and FREE are the magic works today.
-> x86
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 68 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht on 05-Nov-2001 19:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Amifan):
AMIGAOS x86 port, not games.
I personally neither see the point in porting games to an x86 AmigaOS.
The OS on the contrary. And AROS will be ported to Amithlon
eventually, so why not support it (or risk another semi-compatible
OS).As Hyperion don't seem to be in war with the AROS team, it would
be nice if they could cooperate on an x86 AmigaOS (Amithlon + AROS
seems like the best way), trying to keep PPC and x86 AmigaOS'
source-compatible (a endian-converting GCC maybe?).
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 69 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 05-Nov-2001 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Dave):
Hyperion is asked for new games to but AFAIK, they replied with, it takes several years to code a new game, you need grafics artists, a script (story) writer etc etc...THe amiga market and Hyperion are not ready for such a job right now (to much moeny to hire all people for a way too small market)
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 70 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 05-Nov-2001 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Harry):
So, you're nice to mister Hermans again? Maybe I should notice you that your IP adress is next to your nick(anonymous :) , a Harry etc...)
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 71 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by aMIFAN on 05-Nov-2001 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Brecht):
Depends on what you call overpriced....Programming FPGA's takes time too you know, so cost a lot of money, could they have done it cheaper...don't know because I don't know anything about the price of the A1 but you seems to know it, so share it with us
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 72 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 05-Nov-2001 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (aMIFAN):
Damn caps lock :)
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 73 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 05-Nov-2001 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Brecht):
But not in the amiga world....uhm..but take a look at linux...cheap and free caused the Linux hype to end and Wintel still ruling business
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 74 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by windtalkers on 05-Nov-2001 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (anonymous):
The ex-Microsoft guy is still with Amiga, go back playing with you Ralph Schmidt dolls.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 75 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 05-Nov-2001 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (aMIFAN):
>Posted by aMIFAN
Going '1337' eh? ;)
>Depends on what you call overpriced....Programming FPGA's takes time too you know, so cost a lot of money, could they have done it cheaper...don't know because I don't know anything about the price of the A1 but you seems to know custom stuff and PPC so share it with us
Nah, that's the point, they can't make it alot cheaper because of all the as 'equally' if you feel like flaming :) than a PPC port right now.
I just think an x86 port is equally (read 'even more' if you feel like flaming :) important as a PPC port
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 76 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 05-Nov-2001 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Amifan):
>But not in the amiga world....uhm..but take a look at linux...cheap and free caused the Linux hype to end and Wintel still ruling business
Linux is totally different. Linux was nothing more than a hype. It's a server/workhorse OS being marketed as a desktop OS.
While it's gaining alot of ground in the professional market, it's just not userfriendly enough to be a desktop OS. AmigaOS is.
Also, you seem to think: "if you can't beat MS, you have lost". Linux didn't loose (in the prof. market), it gained ALOT of support and users. Just because it didn't kill MS, doesn't mean it's not a succes. It would take years to 'win' from MS. And it certainly isn't possible if you limit AmigaOS to custom hardware, we need an x86 AmigaOS NOW, not within a few years.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 77 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 05-Nov-2001 23:48 GMT
If there will be a demo of any kind of os4.0 at cologne show, How will
we know it's not running on a bit modified version of os3.9 with 68k
in the machine to fool us think a LOT has been done in the past 7!?!?
months (behind the scenes)
Or maybe even running using an unmodified version of any amiga os and
just claiming it run on a ppc.
I mean how can a user verify that on a show location with restricted
access to the test machine and being surrounded by lots of ave and
pressure by surrounding ppl eagerly waiting to get their turn?
And I know this is just far fetched but then again what isn't far
fetched in the world of our miggy :( I can still remember the show
where gateway was demonstrating the NEW and UPCOMING AMIGA machine
prototype. But it was a pc with a flashy towercase... Thats the kind
of bullshit im used to see in the amiga land and thats why Im having
troubles to believe anything untill I test it thoroughly myself.
So to all companies be it morphos/bplan or AI and the rest:
Stop attacking eachother and giving propaganda to the public.
Deliver the goods and let the consumer decide which product fits their
needs most!
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 78 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 05-Nov-2001 23:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Dave):
>[...] once the userbase swells again.
Who exactly is going to swell the userbase? AmigaOne/OS4/OS5 has nothing to offer the server, workstation, business and education markets. Gamers? On the PC, the games market only got big on the PC after it became as natural to have one as it is to own a refrigerator. Computers don't get games markets until they have a large userbase.
The computer enthusiasts (who currently use everything from QNX to BeOS, from FreeBSD to Solaris). Well, this group of people are the ideal market - but they have grown rather attached to having all their systems running in one box, many also like to play games on their PCs, and so they have Windows installed. Are they likely to give up a multitude of systems on which they can do everything they could possibly want for new hardware that can't run MS Office and play brand new games? Will they give up the ever-configurable KDE and Linux? Will they give up the systems that they rely on to do their university C++ and Java assignments?
That leaves one market. Those in the Amiga community who aren't using PCs and still use their Amiga hardware as their primary computers. And thus we have what I've said before, a market that is targetting only itself. Any manufacturer can only sell to a subset of its target audience, so it follows that Amiga Inc can only sell to a percentage of its target audience. What do we have? A market feeding from itself - but like all introverted markets, not for very long.
If anybody disagrees with me then try some reasoning and answer my points. If your only answer is abuse try to make it original (i.e. don't follow the clever person who took 4 weeks to come up with a modified version of BAF).
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 79 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 06-Nov-2001 03:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Brecht [darklite]):
>While it's gaining alot of ground in the professional market, it's just not >userfriendly enough to be a desktop OS.
Linux is a geek os, it's in its' nature. It's performance and stability merits are also overrated.
>it didn't kill MS, doesn't mean it's not a succes. It would take years >to 'win' from MS. And it certainly isn't possible if you limit AmigaOS to >custom hardware, we need an x86 AmigaOS NOW, not within a few years
100% agree. I think Amithlon will give us a taste of what it's like to run AmigaOS in state of the art hardware. I haven't used AmigaOS for some 4 years, and now I'm excited to be able to use os3.9 on my x86 setup. A friend of mine who stoped caring about Amiga back in 1994, heard of AmigaOS XL and is coming back because of it. And this is just an emulator.
IMHO, a x86 AmigaOS now would draw a lot of new users to the platform: pratically everybody has x86 at home, many people want to try out something new AND remember the Amiga name foundly (BeOS didn't have this), and anyone can spare $150 for an OS on a CD.
Of course this can only happen gradually, as more users,developers and OS updates appear on the platform (including AmigaDE).
Amiga has outstanding foundations to make this happen: Amithlon and AROS. The same goes for AmigaDE. This is all *pure gold* in Amiga's hands. I sincerely hope they don't mess up.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 80 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 06-Nov-2001 04:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (smithy):
>Who exactly is going to swell the userbase? AmigaOne/OS4/OS5 has nothing to
AmigaOne or any PPC solution will not swell the userbase. There's no doubt there.
>Computers don't get games markets until they have a large userbase.
True. But this is also the most difficult part, and will take many years to acomplish. The day Amiga is running kick ass games like on Windows or consoles is the day it's rulling the world.
>The computer enthusiasts
>(...)Are they likely to give up a multitude of systems on which they can do >everything they could possibly want for new hardware that can't run MS Office >and play brand new games?
NO, they will not! Make no mistake about this, if you force people into new, exotic hardware, and leave Windows, they won't follow you. How many people are willing to cash out $$$ in new, badly supported hardware, that can't run Windows? It's completely unrealistic to believe that, at it's current stage, AmigaOS would have the strength to convice someone to get PPC hardware.
Do people want to play Windows games? Let them. Do students want to use x86 to boot other OS'es? Let them. Let's just boot on x86 too.
With a x86 OS, Amiga will not be fighting against people. They will be winning them over.
>That leaves one market. Those in the Amiga community who aren't using PCs and
>(...)have? A market feeding from itself - but like all introverted markets, >not for very long.
Yes, that's only natural. A PPC solution can do a few bucks for Amiga today within the community, but it's no serious attempt at making the Amiga a widespread product as an alternative OS.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 81 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 06-Nov-2001 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Brecht [darklite]):
No,
I'm more like, you should not try to beat the enemy on its own terrain because you'll loose.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 82 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 06-Nov-2001 07:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Ruben Monteiro):
Hurrah! I agree with you entirely :)
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 83 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 06-Nov-2001 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (smithy):
You say it cannot compete in the workstation etc market. I disagree with you but before we go into a full "debate" on this I want you to define what you mean by those markets in terms of the roles they fulfil.
I also disagree with you about the userbase, its the similar argument one could once have had about any console that was not a SEGA or a Nintendo. But until your points are put on firmer terms I dont think it would be sensible to discuss it further.
Regards,
Dave.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 84 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by JG on 06-Nov-2001 12:49 GMT
Talking about OS.. X86/PPC..
Did anybody notice that most average computer users
don't even know what is an OS? What is their CPU?
They even have troubles making different between
HD and Ram size. So why would they care about "Amiga"?
They would remember it as a game console anyway..
So the only way to gain decent userbase is through
advertising which is not gonna happen for a looong time.
Sure the AmigaOS was and still is efficient for at least
the use i have of it now.
OS4 might be good but as they just signed some sort of contract
i wonder what is it gonna be in the end...
But what arguments are you gonna give to future potential
customers when to their eyes : the bigger the numbers the
better the computer is?
- The OS does run on a few MB.
128mb sdram costs 10-15 dollars.
Same goes for OS size on HD.
40gb HDs are like 100 bucks.
- PPC G4-500
Though it's fast, i fear it can't go
toe to toe with an athlon 3 times the clock speed
although the clock speed doesn't do all the work.
And now AMD misinform people with it's "+" new
Athlons (1800+ are really 1400mhz, right? But that
would do the trick for uninformed people).
MHz is advertising.
- It has famous ported PC games.
Years later when the same PC game is now $10-15?
Someone said Diablo 2? Half-Life? Max Payne?
I know some people who don't have a PC and appreciate
the ports but i'm still in the new customer POV.
It's probably the most difficult challenge coming.
Games developments are more and more expensive so are
the licence fees i guess?
- It has killer apps.
But not enough mainstream, not enough in number, not
so updated. I don't worry for Photoshop for i know of
it as there are pretty cool stuff on Amiga market 2d
gfx field.
What has become of broadcasting, music, text, 3d, and
so on?
There was a time Amiga was leading in lot of those
fields...
My fear is that the PPC machine will be far more expensive
and price is important for mass market. Passion is great but
reason is important. From my experience, in some other field,
passionate people aren't enough to keep a market going
(although they were the best salespeople i've ever seen).
Apple made cool looking machines, great, but they still rely
on specialized market to live on.
How to explain to a customer that an Amiga is great when Windows
XP is good looking, stable, has well supported media player and
decent browser, email client (excellent to catch any virus on
earth), 3d killer games and 2d killer apps..?
So how is gonna be the A1 or Pegasos marketted? Replacing old
dying Amigas? Selling to the shrinking "community"?
Selling for some special use? With what kind of apps then?
My thoughts about all this are pretty pessimistic..
I don't think Bplan and Amiga Inc plans are to limit themselves to
a microscopic userbase, but it looks like they do so..
What would any Amiga complete system need to succeed?
Any ideas?
My 2 cents ideas :
Some terrific case? Made some Macs and iMacs sold i think, no?
And certainly made some crappy HP PCs getting sold..
And not a UK£500 one.
Some better arguments than AGP2x, 500MHz? It sounds outdated.
Even with a lightweight OS behind.
As fancy as OS X or Win XP? Who cares about ram nowadays?
Look is important to sell a product now.
And given the AmigaOS 4 if it is the good son in term of
efficiency and speed, it should be WAY MORE responsive than
the other 2 OSes mentioned before.
Integrated media and internet software suite maybe too?
People love ready to use machines. If they need to buy and
install separately. It's hard enough with games ; )
Having the useful software with useful filters to import exotic
WinMac file formats? Trying to get some mainstream apps and very
specific ones to Amiga is something Amiga Inc should go in
crusade for. (Paying by themselves people to port apps and royalties
for original publishers won't work? I don't know much, i might be very
wrong)
Games.. Seems hopeless..
But why not browsing a little and have a look at other than occidental
markets? Porting different games than anything is shown on occidental PCs?
Better to pay a translator than designing a whole game? Japan, Korea, China
is full of online, strategy, RPG, 3d games unknown to wintel occidental
PCs so why not porting them to Amiga and having something different?
(Besides licencing fee should be far cheaper than old occidental crap(my POV
there) anyway). Maybe even console games porting?
I think the best way for the Amiga to succeed is to be REALLY something
DIFFERENT to mainstream market to gather different people and others looking
for something else..
The Amiga won't succeed if it goes on any Wintel track..
The Amiga has to be there as a decent OS (I think it won't be the most difficult part), complete, with its own apps, some mainstream ones, some different games as recent games licencing seem VERY expensive)
I know it's a "bit" off-topic but it's what i feel and had to share it..
I doubt my vision of things will become reality but even my hope for an
OS 4, that is now far far away, my hope is fading away..
I've been sick of little wars... Of project misdirection from people
who pretend they're going to be "kings of the world"..
How to get interested people buying future Amiga as when they
are visiting Amiga related pages they stumble on flaming between main
actors of this little world for nothing. It's been fighting for too long
trying to argue on who is going to give the finishing blow to our Amiga?
Just wishing that everyone could shake hands, share their ideas and work,
forget the past, and work in some happy way makes of me an utopist.
If that was so easy there would not be a single war in the world. Maybe
in some thousand years if mankind is still there to go into the next
evolutionary step? But i fear Amiga will be dead long before..
It's pretty long.. Sorry.. And sorry for any mistake in my English. I'm too lazy to read this all again. ; )
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 85 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Detritus on 06-Nov-2001 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Amifan):
Can you say 'Payback'?
Decent AND original games, even 3d texmapped ones can be done by small teams still.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 86 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 06-Nov-2001 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Detritus):
Payback is hardly original.
We need games that are to the Amiga what GT3 is to the PS2, it's sells hardware!
But I'm afraid it's not possible at the moment.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 87 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 06-Nov-2001 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Dave):
"You say it cannot compete in the workstation etc market. I disagree with you but before we go into a full "debate" on this I want you to define what you mean by those markets in terms of the roles they fulfil. "
As I see it a workstation runs a "heavyweight" operating system like Windows NT or Linux, and a workstation is used in a professional software environment, that is development, support etc.. A workstation isn't used by businesses for administration purposes, home users who write the odd letter to Auntie Mabel, etc..
I am interested in hearing why you disagree with my original comments on the workstation market.
"I also disagree with you about the userbase, its the similar argument one could once have had about any console that was not a SEGA or a Nintendo. But until your points are put on firmer terms I dont think it would be sensible to discuss it further."
Yes, but WHY do you disagree? My arguments have no relation to any 10-year-old Sega/Nintendo ones. Ten years ago my arguments wouldn't have stood up: everybody tied their software to their own hardware, it was the normal and expected thing to do. Furthermore there was no dominant piece of hardware that ran the majority of systems like there is now, and also consumers expect to run all their software on the same box, they don't want to have to maintain two computers anymore than they want to maintain 2 televisions (1 for watching TV, one for watching videos), 2 cookers (1 for boiling potatoes, 1 for frying bacon), 2 houses (1 for sleeping in, 1 for listening to music in), 2 garden sheds... well you get the idea by now. As I was saying, the computer industry has moved on along with consumers' mentalities. There is simply no reason to own 2 computers therefore those who are interested have a choice. Will they give up all the luxuries that the PC has to offer? I have explained why not in my original post.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 88 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 07-Nov-2001 07:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (smithy):
Im sure Ill find some time to tell you the whys of "why" I disagree with you, especially now I see your definition in greater detail. No point in going off half cocked - I prefer reasonable debate and its not possible to do that until we understand each others positions clearly.
But now I see why you posted such an unreasonable post elsewhere. Ill wait until my impulse from the other post to affix a proverbial shotgun to your backside and pull the trigger has subsided ;-)
Dave.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 89 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 07-Nov-2001 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Dave):
>pull the trigger
You can do this by telling me why you think I'm wrong. I have yet to here ANY reasoning from you.
AmigaOS 4.0 contract signed : Comment 90 of 90ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 07-Nov-2001 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (smithy):
Jeez, reread the post.
Anonymous, there are 90 items in your selection (but only 40 shown due to limitation) [1 - 50] [51 - 90]
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