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[News] Opera for the ZaurusANN.lu
Posted on 08-Nov-2001 11:58 GMT by Christian Kemp17 comments
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alffx noticed The Register had an article that said: Opera signed up Sharp as a new customer this week. Sharp will use the Linux-based Opera 5 browser in its Zaurus SL-5000D handheld computer. Sharp Opera
Opera signed up Sharp as a new customer this week. Sharp will use the Linux-based Opera 5 browser in its Zaurus SL-5000D handheld computer. The device runs on an embedded Linux operating system and uses a Java application environment.

Lineo, Trolltech and Insignia Solutions provide the remaining software for the gadget. It uses 206MHz Intel StrongARM system-on-chip processor and features a built-in keyboard available underneath a sliding panel.

Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 1 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 08-Nov-2001 12:05 GMT
Opera is the new Netscape.
;)
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 2 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Nov-2001 12:13 GMT
Interesting.
It wasn't that long ago that Bill was trumpeting Sharp and their Zaurus as a "major" partner of Amiga and the AmigaDE (telling us that it would bring "millions" of AmigaDE users).
Yet the press release (http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/20011105.html) mentions neither Amiga nor the DE.
Interesting...
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 3 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by adam on 08-Nov-2001 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
while i agree with your sentiments, bill never promisised a browswer for de
or zauras. please try and keep things in perspective..
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 4 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Paul on 08-Nov-2001 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Why should the press release mention Amiga?
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 5 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 08-Nov-2001 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Simple: Sharp didn't chose elate/intent as Zaurus' JVM.
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 6 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Nov-2001 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Paul):
Why?
Simple.
It mentions Sharp (maker of the Zaurus), Opera (maker of the borwser), Lineo (provider of the actual OS, embedded Linux), Trolltech AS (creators of Qt, the GUI) and Insignia Solutions (providers of the Java system).
But not AmigaDE.
Which, given Bill's "enthusiastic" announcement that Sharp were a major partner of AInc and the AmigaDE would be shipping on millions of Zauruses, would be expected in such a list of the major parties in the product, no?
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 7 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 08-Nov-2001 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
He never said that Sharp will ship with AmigaDE. He only spoke of
the possibility to sell 2millions of it.
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 8 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Nov-2001 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (adam):
Bill told us that Sharp was a major partner of AInc and the Zaurus was a major win for AmigaDE which would be used on millions of Zaurii.
Yet here we have a press release announcing the browser chosen and, ~~and this is the important bit), listing all the KEY players in teh overall product, and look! No mention of AInc or their product.
The PR mentions Sharp, Opera, the providers of the embedded Linux OS, the Java system, even the GUI toolkit.
Yet no mention of what was supposedly a major component, according to AInc...
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 9 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 08-Nov-2001 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
And a portable application framework in C++. It might be precipitous to read too much into this, for the sole and simple reason that the Tao solution might be in a different vertical pillar on the same platform or a future replacement for current existing components.
Whatever the reason, the competition is hotting up and its not clear who has the "wins" yet.
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 10 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Byron on 08-Nov-2001 15:54 GMT
Sharp IS a partner of Amiga, they have provided the technical support and
details Amiga needed to make DE work on several more devices, otherwise
known as the Zaurus PDAs and Sharps new Cell phone. There was nor never
any mention of Sharp shipping DE with the devices, the thing mentioned was
DE can run on them, just like it can run on the ipaq, the Casio line and
many many other PDAs and higher devices. The idea was, if all the good
stuff was on DE, then people'd pay the small price to install it and buy
the games which many in Japan do on a regular basis. Sharp hold a massive
market share in japan and with Amiga now having added support for DE on
Sharps product line that means a higher chance of sales. The fact is,
AmigaDE is a much better system for making and playing games on than Linux
or many of the other PDA OS's, Amiga and many more are betting its this
which will make AmigaDE a must have for people to buy for their devices, or
a must have for companies to bundle with their devices. The possible sales
are massive. Amiga is trying their best to get DE 1.0 ready for as many
devices as possible (much like rebol inc is doing with rebol) and they will
work as hard as they can to make it better every day.
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 11 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by .john on 08-Nov-2001 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Byron):
The AmigaDE is of absolutely no vaule, neither to the manufacturers, nor the users.
The games available are remembering me of PD games I never wanted to waste my time with, not to say: prehistoric in looks.
As long Amiga (respective its developers) can not come up with a serious handful of stuff, they never gonna make it.
The fact, that the DE is not being bundled is a big nevativum:
Assumig there are some cool programs, let's say a MAME Emulator, a lightwieght networkable #?SQL, Access, Windows PIM and whatever compatible database, a really cool 3D action-adventure, dynAMIte ;-)), Photogenics or such, and a universal media-player, that rocks and kicks butt, or whatever you may want to desire, so, let's say these things exist, how to bring them to the Zaurus users ? Telling them they need to buy the DE ? Okay, but this needs extra investments in advertising. Still, theymight prefer any such application, that runs without the DE, since, the final goal of the DE is lightyears away...
If the DE would have been bundled, it would have opened a small niche as of yet. It would have shown presence, better than advertising, at least for now.
.john
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 12 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 09-Nov-2001 01:26 GMT
I thought Amiga got connected to Sharp through Tao. I'm surprised Tao isn't mentioned; instead, there's Insignia Solutions. Isn't this a change from before?
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 13 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 09-Nov-2001 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Byron):
Im amazed that Amiga is doing any porting, I would have thought that would be best left
to Tao who port to different environments all the time.
Im sorry but I reckon that /TAO/ are the ones doing the porting and Amiga trying to
broker content onto the device with its "3000" developers ( of which I am one ).
Dave.
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 14 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 09-Nov-2001 06:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
> Zaurii
It should be spelled 'Zauri'... The second 'i' is unnecessary/wrong.
Have a nice day :)
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 15 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 09-Nov-2001 06:49 GMT
First of all, this is only about one single model of the international
Linux version of the Zaurus. The SL5000-D is aimed only at developers. There
will be other Zaurus devices reaching for other target audiences. That's
directly from the horses mouth (Sharp SL5000D-Developer team, see forums
at http://more.sbc.co.jp for some additional statements regarding Tao/Amiga).
Sharp itself has never stopped working with Tao and does consider them
for next models/generations of the Zaurus or others of their PDA/cell phone
devices. Just for now its 'only' 2 million japanese Zaurus users who enjoy
using the AmigaDE games..
If you wanna see Tao mentioned in a recent press release (November, 5th) go to
http://developer.sharpsec.com/news.cfm?Blue=LA#release2
Quote:
"Sharp is also working with other PersonalJava™ runtime environment such as intent® by Tao Group Ltd. to
support various customer Java requirements."
Opera, Trolltech, Lineo etc. naturally were focussing their own efforts within
their recent press releases of November, 5th regarding the SL5000-D.
As for the DE, first the DE Player _is not_ the DE itself, it is only the first
small window to what the DE shall be. There will be more, I'm pretty confident
'bout that (but noone has to share my views.. :)
For Sharp the AmigaDE is all about content. When and if there is enough 'content'
running there, then they may include the DE in a new 'Entertainment+Multimedia Zaurus'.
(I never expected anything other).
So we will have to wait until Sharp announces the release of consumer version
of the Linux Zaurus. As the SL5000-D is to be delivered by January that may
not be due before February/March.
Wait and see (there's probably no other chance to know before the releases)
Ciao, Alex
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 16 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Byron on 09-Nov-2001 10:36 GMT
John, you're an idiot. Do you know how long it takes to make a top quaity Desktop
game/application? PDA games tak a short amount of time to make which is
why we are seeing them first, of course DE already has some desktop apps
such as emulators, encoders, a couple basic games. It'll be a good
12months before we see a fullscale game and 6 or so before we see large
apps. The only ones we'd see short term are apps that are ported such as
apps from Linux and sveral from AmigaOS. Think about it.
Opera for the Zaurus : Comment 17 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Nov-2001 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (.john):
> The games available are remembering me of PD games I never wanted to
> waste my time with, not to say: prehistoric in looks.
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