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Posted on 17-Nov-2001 13:55 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä49 comments
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Amiga-info.net has online the first pictures from the Amiga 2001 show in Köln.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 1 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 17-Nov-2001 12:56 GMT
Well, there's the Pegasos running and the SharkPPC (apparently not running).
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 2 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by ID4 on 17-Nov-2001 13:59 GMT
About SharkPPC. At least we now know that it exists :))))))
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 3 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Nov-2001 15:36 GMT
On which picture is the SharkPPC?
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 4 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 17-Nov-2001 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Third picture down, on the glass shelves under the tower with the Mediator board in it. There's a little plaque saying what it is.
Which one is the working Pegasus though?
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 5 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 17-Nov-2001 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
pic 3.
Troels E
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 6 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 17-Nov-2001 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Hoggett):
I believe it's the pegasos shown just after the Mediator/Shark pics. There are 2 pics of the board and then a picture of an open computer desktop cabinet, probably containing the pegasos board?
Troels E -Hope people have had a nice day in Köln/Cologne.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 7 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 17-Nov-2001 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Hoggett):
http://www.amiga-pda.net/amiga2001/pic006.jpg
I assumed that's the Pegasos based on the poster on the wall, but I'm not so sure now. Hard to tell from the pic...
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 8 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 17-Nov-2001 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Considering the MorphOS Fact Sheet is right below the board in the same picture as 005.jpg, I think it's safe to say that would be the Pegasos board.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 9 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 17-Nov-2001 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Well, pics 4 & 5 of the first set are obviously the Pegasos boards, but they are just on display, not actually running.
Pic 6 doesn't really have anything to indicate it is a Pegasos machine. If fact, it looks suspiciously like an A4000 to me, which indicates it might be a Prometheus board maybe?
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 10 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-Nov-2001 16:25 GMT
Any new news?
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 11 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 17-Nov-2001 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Bill Hoggett):
Nope, looks more like a GRex4000D to me.
It's even a A4000D computer, how will you fit a MicroATX motherboard in there?.
I can't find any pictures of working Pegasus though.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 12 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 17-Nov-2001 17:05 GMT
Now that looks a like a real trade-show. :) Very nice to see these kinds of events still in the Amiga world. Nothing wrong with user group kind of shows, of course they are great, but they are not the same. It's a shame that Amiga wouldn't attend, or did they?
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 13 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 17-Nov-2001 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Janne Sirén):
> Now that looks a like a real trade-show. :) Very nice to see
> these kinds of events still in the Amiga world. Nothing wrong
> with user group kind of shows, of course they are great, but
> they are not the same. It's a shame that Amiga wouldn't attend,
> or did they?
No, Amiga are in Ottawa.
The show sure LOOKS nice, but the real questions are: how many people came to see Amiga stuff as opposed to other systems, and how many of those actually buy anything. It's hard to tell if the show is really busy, because the venue is bigger, so the empty spaces could well be misleading.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 14 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by JoBBo on 17-Nov-2001 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Bill Hoggett):
Bill: "Pic 6 doesn't really have anything to indicate it is a Pegasos machine."
I think the picture on the wall says something along the lines of 'Are you prepared for MorphOS?" (German: "Vorbereitet für MorphOS?"), doesn't it?
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 15 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 17-Nov-2001 18:59 GMT
Nice to see the PegasOS boards, and of course, it'll be more interesting to see them running... I like the 'trick' of the vertical slots and the option for the riser, although for all I know, that's a standard FlexATX/MicroATX/ATX-meant-to-be-crammed-into-a-rackmount-case layout...
Now, on the subject of cases, I notice http://www.amiga-pda.net/amiga2001/pic009.jpg - looks like H&P? has their hands on a nice case, probably from the same people who made the one - http://www.amdmb.com/images/comdex2001/amd-case.jpg - AMD is using to demo... well, I'm not sure what that's demoing, and I'm not sure what the paint job on the window is supposed to signify, but the front looks rather nice. :) Presuming these are relatively inexpensive versus the gold-plated-pyrex design, Eyetech might want to consider them for a relatively 'budget' line? ;)
...and for those obsessed with casing, it seems there's a - http://pcpartsinc.com/product-images/KayakXA2.jpg - precedent for Naya's unusual drive bay positioning...
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 16 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 17-Nov-2001 19:02 GMT
Nice to see the PegasOS boards, and of course, it'll be more interesting to see them running... I like the 'trick' of the vertical slots and the option for the riser, although for all I know, that's a standard FlexATX/MicroATX/ATX-meant-to-be-crammed-into-a-rackmount-case layout...
Now, on the subject of cases, I notice http://www.amiga-pda.net/amiga2001/pic009.jpg - looks like H&P? has their hands on a nice case, probably from the same people who made the one - http://www.amdmb.com/images/comdex2001/amd-case.jpg - AMD is using to demo... well, I'm not sure what that's demoing, and I'm not sure what the paint job on the window is supposed to signify, but the front looks rather nice. :) Presuming these are relatively inexpensive versus the gold-plated-pyrex design, Eyetech might want to consider them for a relatively 'budget' line? ;)
...and for those obsessed with casing, it seems there's a - http://pcpartsinc.com/product-images/KayakXA2.jpg - precedent for Naya's unusual drive bay positioning...
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 17 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 17-Nov-2001 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (JoBBo):
> I think the picture on the wall says something
> along the lines of 'Are you prepared for
> MorphOS?" (German: "Vorbereitet für MorphOS?"),
> doesn't it?
Yes, but the computer underneath is a desktop A4000. It may well be running the latest MorphOS on a DCE G-Rex board, but that case won't take the MiniATX motherboards seen in the previous pictures, trust me. I mean, just look at the layout of the expansion cards!
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 18 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 17-Nov-2001 19:52 GMT
According to a news post on Amiga.org the SharkPPC is FULLY WORKING, just waiting for AmigaOS 4.0 to be completed. Very positive to see the Shark released at the same time as OS4.0., now come on Hyperion get the stuff finished....
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 19 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-Nov-2001 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Bill Hoggett):
There are different versions of the board. The first version (dev
system) was no micro atx board. AFAIR they got the micro atx boards
just on Friday.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 20 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-Nov-2001 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Troels Ersking):
Well that's no news. They already said this on previous shows.
BTW: It seems that the OS4 release is now indepentantly from the
AmigaOne release.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 21 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 17-Nov-2001 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (David Scheibler):
Sort of makes sense.IF OS4 is released before the A1 is ready,then the
CyberStormPPC(and hopefully the BlizzardPPC)users and the people that want
the SharkPPC can use it.Also means some probably welcome income for Amiga
Inc.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 22 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 17-Nov-2001 21:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Alan Watson):
Cuts both ways. If people with CSPPC buy AOS 4.0 before A1 comes out, and it turns out to be pants, they'll be put off buying Eyetech's hardware too. Amiga Inc may get some revenue that way, but it would be enough to sink the A1 for ever.
A risky policy, and more pressure on Hyperion to do what they've never done before: develop a top quality OS.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 23 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Nov-2001 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Alan Watson):
I suppose these pics are merlancia tsunami pics (based on pegasos). The Pegasos
has 2 ZIF cpu slots and 3 pci (+ riser card) and agp.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 24 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-Nov-2001 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
The final Pegasos will have an own CPU carrier card (available in
Feb/Mar 2002).
BTW: Some other news:
epic will port Feeble Files to AmigaOS. But: There were not even 350
preorders and two of these preorders were dealers which ordered 100
pieces, so only 150 users preordered Feeble Files.
epic will also port Knights&Merchants to MorphOS as well as
Earth2150 and Feeble Files.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 25 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 17-Nov-2001 23:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
Yes I think there where really many people in cologne and yes they bought many stuff
I was there at nearly 11 o clock and it was just impossible to get through and see the pegasos!
But it was really exciting, this new micro atx board rocks! and MOS is really really fast (jit)
first developer mashines will be out in January 2002, enduser products are ready in march 2002.
So it should also possible to run OS 4.0 on the pegasos.. if AI (Hyperion) realy want to port it
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 26 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 17-Nov-2001 23:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (David Scheibler):
Allthough Feeble files is not my cup of tea, it's a shame to see that few preorders.
Still EARTH 2150 and Knights and merchants are good games a shame that they will not be out for AmigaOS 4+. But maybe that will change when it gets released.
I think the lack of pre-orders are because there are so few Amigans left with the appropriate hardware for these games, I think alot of the ANN, Amiga.org and amiga-news.de readers are waiting to buy new Amigas to get back in the fold. We are a lot of Amigans sitting with an old underpowered 1200/4000/030 which might even not be our primary machine anymore.
Thats the problem for me atleast, even though I have bought software that I can't even run because I have no PPC.
Conclusion: We are a lot of Amigans that would like to buy software but can't meet the hardware requirements until new hardware (AmigaONE)is out.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 27 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 18-Nov-2001 00:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Janne Sirén):
I don`t think Amiga inc. can really afford plain flights to Europe 8-)
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 28 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 18-Nov-2001 00:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Bladerunner):
@Bladerunner:
> MOS is really really fast (jit)
Does that mean MOS has a JIT emulation now ? Did they demonstrate it ?
> So it should also possible to run OS 4.0 on the pegasos..
> if AI (Hyperion) realy want to port it
Stop that. We had enough flame wars.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 29 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2001 00:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
>The show sure LOOKS nice, but the real questions are: how many people came to see
>Amiga stuff as opposed to other systems, and how many of those actually buy anything
*LOL* You think they came to see/buy Atari stuff? :-D
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 30 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 18-Nov-2001 00:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Troels Ersking):
"Allthough Feeble files is not my cup of tea, it's a shame to see that few preorders."
Are you surprised, given the criminal way pre oders are generally treated in the Amiga world.
"Thats the problem for me atleast, even though I have bought software that I can't even run because I
have no PPC."
That`s just plain silly.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 31 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2001 00:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>I suppose these pics are merlancia tsunami pics (based on pegasos). The Pegasos
>has 2 ZIF cpu slots and 3 pci (+ riser card) and agp.
There is no tsunami. The small board shown is Pegasos rev2 with CPU card slot
(Slot1 I think), 3 PCI, a horizontal-to-vertical PCI riser and AGP (pro?).
The other picture has to be an A4000 - just look at the Zorro slots (and MorphOS)
is obviously running on CSPPC/GREX).
But it would be very cool if you could exchange A4000 board for the Pegasos one. ;)
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 32 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2001 01:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (amorel):
>Are you surprised, given the criminal way pre oders are generally treated in the Amiga world.
Huh? Preorder does not mean you have to pay in advance, it's just an indication for the
developer/publisher that there is interest and a market.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 33 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by hurtz on 18-Nov-2001 01:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Christoph Gutjahr):
>Does that mean MOS has a JIT emulation now ? Did they demonstrate it ?
>
I heard they had some kind of beta JIT (without FPU emu) to show.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 34 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 18-Nov-2001 01:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Christoph Gutjahr):
@Bladerunner:
>> MOS is really really fast (jit)
>Does that mean MOS has a JIT emulation now ? Did they demonstrate it ?
jupp, but at this stage of mos it is also beta and not implemented yet, which means you have to
start the jit first in final release, it starts of course automaticly
>> So it should also possible to run OS 4.0 on the pegasos..
>> if AI (Hyperion) realy want to port it
>Stop that. We had enough flame wars.
Sorry, I don`t want to start another flame war, but this is the point.. it REALLY
depends on AI.. As thomas knäbel from b-plan said, when AI want to port AOS 4.0 to the pegasos, they
could as all other developer could.. this will be in January..
and Hyperion on the other hand said (according to the speech) they are thinking about porting on pegasos, if
B-plan let them go.. :-) so what I said was no flaming.. it is possible, if AI want such a port!
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 35 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 18-Nov-2001 01:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Bladerunner):
> Sorry, I don`t want to start another flame war, but this is the point.. it REALLY
> depends on AI.. As thomas knäbel from b-plan said, when AI want to port AOS 4.0 to
> the pegasos, they could as all other developer could..
Okay, in this case, stop putting pressure on the OS4 team :). Knäbel tells you he'd
be happy, while Ralph Schmidt stated a week ago: "...neither will we let them use
our hardware for their goals".
So why don't you let them sort that out ("them" being both involved parties) before
you start claiming that "it only depends on AI"...
> this will be in January.. and Hyperion on the other hand said (according to the
> speech) they are thinking about porting on pegasos,
Well, what else should they (or Knäbel) say ?
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 36 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by I on 18-Nov-2001 05:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Christoph Gutjahr):
"epic will port Feeble Files to AmigaOS. But: There were not even 350
preorders and two of these preorders were dealers which ordered 100
pieces, so only 150 users preordered Feeble Files."
This makes me feel sick.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 37 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Nabs on 18-Nov-2001 06:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Bill Hoggett):
>Cuts both ways. If people with CSPPC buy AOS 4.0 before A1 comes out, >and it turns out to be pants, they'll be put off buying Eyetech's hardware >too. Amiga Inc may get some revenue that way, but it would be enough to >sink the A1 for ever.
Bill,
Why would a not-so-amazing OS4.0 stop people from buying an A1? Right now they are running OS3.9+WarpOS on CSPPCs. OS4.0 will be at least as good as OS3.9, since it is based on 3.9.
The point is, even if is not outstanding (which no one expects it to be), it will be at least the same as what they have now, 3.9. So how does that have anything to do with sales of the A1? A new Amiga is a new Amiga. G4/PCI/AGP/USB etc. vs. 8-year-old 4000s running 604e@200Mhz. Only a fool would stick with the old system, which at best would give them a few more years before it dies.
OS4.0 cannot be a backward step, by definition; since its main goal is to facilitate access to modern hardware (A1), and this is clearly the major factor which dictates when it is ready for release, it will fulfill its purpose. Thus, Hyperion do not have to produce a top-class OS in a few months. Release 4.0 just has to allow access to the A1 and its G4. As long as it does that, we will have our modern Amigas.
The development of OS4 by Hyperion will hopefully give us the goodies we want, but v4.0 only has to get us on to new machines.
Or have I missed something bigtime? :-)
Nabs..
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 38 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alcemyst on 18-Nov-2001 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Troels Ersking):
yep that is the problem for alot of ppl they dont have a PPC card.
i want HT2, wipeout, Sin, Shogo,PPC FreeSpace,PPC PayBack,
ect... but just dont have the HW.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 39 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alcemyst on 18-Nov-2001 08:09 GMT
new Os version is all well & good but we need more games & apps,
& a much better webbrowser.
for the sort term i see no problem about PPC sw running on Os4 & Mos
even if the Os'es them selfs will not run on other HW ATM.
the coders should just carry on makeing PPC version , 68K version &
that should cover all for now os3.9,Os4,MOS,Amithlon,AOSXL,
now there are some platforms there that will run other OS types strate
way with NP, but a split will only hurt if ppl dont buy the
AmigaApps,games for that AmigaOs,type of there choice,
so it realy does not matter wich way ppl go if few ppl pay for the SW
the Amiga Will die no matter what.
anyway not haveing good upto date webbrowser is the one thing that
makes staying on the Amiga real hard for me, i am tempted to get a pc
just because of that.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 40 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 18-Nov-2001 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alcemyst):
"anyway not haveing good upto date webbrowser is the one thing that
makes staying on the Amiga real hard for me, i am tempted to get a pc
just because of that."
The main thing is to make sure all your friends register at least one
of the Amiga web browsers. That is what will encourage the developers
to work harder.
In the case of Vapor, you could also register some of their other
products. It all helps.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 41 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 18-Nov-2001 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Christoph Gutjahr):
I asked laire yesterday: "Of course everybody can buy hardware". And
that's also what Mr Knaebel said. They can buy the dev machine in
January but that doesn't mean that there is active support.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 42 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 18-Nov-2001 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (David Scheibler):
That sounds good but is quite a diffrent statement than what he previously have said. Anyway the pegasos mb will be very nice for high-end AmigaOS computers allthough it's a bit expensive (to be expected:).
Regards
Troels E
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 43 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alcemyst on 18-Nov-2001 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Don Cox):
only if that were true about registering.
i have NC3 so for now that covers most Vapor products but even if i
did not have NC3 i would only buy Netinfo 2 MD2 & Amirc as V3 is way
to buggy.
i have bought IB2.2 as well & thats stable but the Dev is frozen.
im thinking oh getting Aweb now but when was it last updated is dev
stoped on that ?.
asking ppl to buy a crap product now & if sales are good we will make
a good version that you may have to pay for as an upgrade as well just
wont cut it.
some of the browsers have been going for a long time & there still
crap. the ppl how make the browsers to me seem to be biteing off more
than they can chew.
makeing a browser damn hard work & if they cant put enough time & ppl
on the case to keep it upto date they should getout.
Amiga.inc should contract outwork for a new browser or get Vapor or
Aweb makers on board put full effort into getting the browsers upto
date fast. i would pay twice as much money for a good Amigabrowser
than what im payed for IB V3 & Aweb, soon i hope.
there are Amiga ppl who are running ShapeShifter,Fusion for just the
browser.
Amiga.inc would like ppl to use there AmigaOs all the time just like
microsoft wants everyone to use windows all the time.
there are things that i would like but i go with out because there is
no amiga version & i dont want to go windows. but a browser is very
importent now just like TV , radio. the internet is becoming
mainstream ifnot already & ppl will give up waiting.
even if the Amiga gets big again & gets mainstream apps & games again
ppl who already have a PC will still use there pc for the browsers
& amiga ppl who dont have a PC will get one just for the browsers in
the end.
as far as i know all browsers for other platforms are free or come
with the OS, it does not matter if the browser adds to the cost of the
OS to the end user, as at least they have a good browser to use in the
first place.
So if we have to pay for a browser on the Amiga platform it should
damn well be a good upto date one..not one that will have todays
features in 1 to 2 years time. or a will go PC just for the browsers,
but then run the risk of getting tempted by all the other stuff on the
pc & let the amigaOne or Bplan collect dust.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 44 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Alcemyst):
For me, there is nowhere to go, really.
My A4k is having such quirks that I'm afraid it will die someday soon.
If I buy CSPPC for it, it would cost at least $1100, it would kill my possibilities of buying actuall SW for it.
Also, those PCI daughtercards tend to be expensive, because they need all sorts of extra bits and pieces, like new tower case, to be usable.
So currently I'm just buying 68k apps and games, hoping that I somehow will be able to use them "forever".
(Too bad I will not be able to use descent freespace, I think it does not support CV64/3D...)
If I'm going to invest $1000+ on a new computer HW, it will have to last and stretch for the next decade (Amiga usually does). Hoping the best for pegasos & AmigaOne, but not holding my breath, a strategy recommendable for us all.
I'm not very interested in investing $200 in AmigaOSXL, not before my 68k dies.
But it is a GOOD planB.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 45 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 12:01 GMT
report from the show:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Mediator/message/9116
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 46 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 18-Nov-2001 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Alcemyst):
I agree that amiga browses are severly lacking. Voyager nukes my system constantly, despite the fact I registered it and AmIRC from Vapor. The browser situation is really bad on the Amiga.. Only Voyager is being developed anymore it seems, and it is the slowest, most unstable. I really think they should stop adding features and just work on getting it to be stable and faster.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 47 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (redrumloa):
I just reviewed opera6:
http://flyingmice.com/squid/cgi/moobunnythread.pl/amiga?flat=62598
;)
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 48 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 19-Nov-2001 02:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (redrumloa):
Are you using the latest beta?It's a lot more stable(and faster)than
previous versions.Not perfect yet,but a step in the right
direction.Regarding it crashing your system,are you by any chance running
the MMULib package?I used to swear by it and get quite a few weird
crashes with Voyager and Yam,until I removed it from my machine,then Voyager
and Yam started behaving properly:)This might just be my setup(probably)but
it might be worth a try.
First pictures from Amiga 2001 : Comment 49 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2001 03:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Troels Ersking):
>Anyway the pegasos mb will be very nice for high-end AmigaOS computers
>allthough it's a bit expensive (to be expected:).
>
Begging your pardon, but calling a full featured motherboard with G3 CPU
module expensive, while it will be even _less_ expensive than any CSPPC,
seems to be foolish... (650 Euro!)
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