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[News] Amiga 2001 news update (updated)ANN.lu
Posted on 18-Nov-2001 15:07 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä69 comments
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Some news gathered from several sources attending the show.

A complete Pegasos-based computer system that will be on sale next year will cost approximately 1000 euro (~$900). The motherboards will also be available separately.

Hyperion and Haage & Partner are developing AmigaOS 4 with several other developers. New features include:

  • PPC native Picasso96
  • New Warp3D with "Matrox-, Permedia3- and Radeon1/2-support"
  • Generic PCI-drivers
  • USB-support
  • BlizzardPPC-support evaluated
  • Integrated 68k-emulation
  • PPC datatypes
  • Price: approximately the same as OS3.9
  • Initial release planned for February
Hyperion also told that they've been talking with both Elbox and BPlan and that they want to have versions of AmigaOS 4 for the SharkPPC and Pegasos.

[The original item I posted had some mistakes in it, and since amiga-news.de even took down the article I used as a primary source, I decided to repost the item edited - Teemu] [I merged new article and old comments - CK]

Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 51 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gurkan on 19-Nov-2001 13:26 GMT
Supporting all available PPC hardware for AmigaOS4
is a good concept..
I hope everything goes fine between Hyperion and BPlan,
and an agreement is reached in 2002...
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 52 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 19-Nov-2001 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Sinan Gurkan):
We don't know.
Possibly Amiga get a fee on sales of the AmigaOne.
Possibly after 4.0 the ppc boards won't be supported.
Maybe sales on AmigaOne and the next OS are related.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 53 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 19-Nov-2001 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Lennart Fridén):
OMG, Im agreeing with Smithy!
Sorry but the trailing smiley doesnt make it better or anyway less offensive.
Its bad enough when people confuse those that work for ( in a coalface role ) a big corporation and the political side of the corporation ( which is often controlled by a very small number of egotistical directors and VPs ).
Nothing can justify joking about the twin-towers disaster. I would not wish anything other than failure to sell their products on a company I did not like. I certainly would not advocate /joking or otherwise/ genocide ( or should that be corporocide ).
Given that I work, in a senior role, for a company who is not very popular with Amiga users ( judging by the outbursts of hate on this forum ) and some of whose employees have perished in the incident I found that remark very offensive.
To suggest that if it was a certain companies employees then the incident would make it more acceptable is a disgusting statement and should not be the basis of humour.
Maybe Im misreading the comment. Perhaps its national boundaries or cultural differences that mean that I find that post unamusing. *shrug* Maybe whoever posted it will think again before they post anything so insensitive in future.
Dave.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 54 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 19-Nov-2001 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Yoris/Hyperion):
Ben Yoris / Hyperion wrote :
>this is not OS 3.9 being ported but the first step of the OS evolution to the >PPC.
>Basicly it's a new Exec for PPC with a fast JIT 68k emulator for old 68k apps.
>The graphic system will rely on a native version of Picasso 96.
Ok, a new exec.. PowerOS had a new exec, MorhpOS have a new "exec",
does not say much, its pretty obvious.
JIT for older programs, MorhpOS got that too, it is what one would expect.
Native version of Picasso 96.. Am I wrong or do MorphOS have a native
version of Cybergraphics ? .. this is good ofcource.
---- correct me here -----
MorhpOS runs on PPC only (for now)
AOS4 runs on old Amiga-PPC hardware, AmigaOne, ..more ??
MorhOS have MUI (I like MUI)
What will AOS4 have as GUI ?
Probably MUI could be released for AOS4 I guess...
AHI - is available for both AOS4 and MorphOS if Im not mistaken..
thats good.
Leif
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 55 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 19-Nov-2001 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
As for some benchmarks for the MorphOS JIT 68k emulator, they've been posted on MOS ML:
Plasma3D program (beware: PPC version was compiled for WarpOS, so no MorphOS native)
Real 68060/66MHz :11 fps
Normal emulation(on 604e/233MHz) :2 fps
JIT emulation (same machine) :32 fps
PPC :60 fps
PPC (Pegasos G3/350MHZ) :192 fps
No figures available for JIT emulation on the G3...
Kind regards,
Andrea
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 56 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 19-Nov-2001 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Leif):
>MorhpOS runs on PPC only (for now)
and on Pegasos systems too.
> AOS4 runs on old Amiga-PPC hardware, AmigaOne, ..more ??
Shark PPC, plus other PPC projects for the Amiga.
> MorhOS have MUI (I like MUI)
>What will AOS4 have as GUI ?
>Probably MUI could be released for AOS4 I guess...
MUI 3.9 will run on OS 4 thanks to the 68k JIT emulation. For latter versions of MUI, it will depend on the developers.
>AHI - is available for both AOS4 and MorphOS if Im not mistaken..
>thats good.
Yep.
Regards
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 57 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 19-Nov-2001 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Leif):
>MorhpOS runs on PPC only (for now)
and on Pegasos systems too.
> AOS4 runs on old Amiga-PPC hardware, AmigaOne, ..more ??
Shark PPC, plus other PPC projects for the Amiga.
> MorhOS have MUI (I like MUI)
>What will AOS4 have as GUI ?
>Probably MUI could be released for AOS4 I guess...
MUI 3.9 will run on OS 4 thanks to the 68k JIT emulation. For latter versions of MUI, it will depend on the developers.
>AHI - is available for both AOS4 and MorphOS if Im not mistaken..
>thats good.
Yep.
Regards
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 58 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2001 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Dave):
>Nothing can justify joking about the twin-towers disaster. I would not wish anything
>other than failure to sell their products on a company I did not like. I certainly
>would not advocate /joking or otherwise/ genocide ( or should that be corporocide ).
I remain unimpressed by the WTC incident (but then I had no relatives or colleagues
working over there). The official victim number was constantly shrinking and if you
regard how many innocent people have to die every day worldwide, it does not make such
a big difference - but this is getting offtopic now...
I only want to say (and maybe that sounds a bit harsh): a joke does not know moral
obligations. It is called black humour.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 59 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2001 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Andrea Maniero):
>No figures available for JIT emulation on the G3...
>
Speed of G3 has been 4 fps with normal emulation and 49 fps with JIT.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 60 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2001 20:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
So, it is indifferent to you if you personally kill one, or 5000? Well, what can I say?
About humor: you are wrong, again. There ARE taboos. Besides, most of "black humor" targets imaginary, not quite life-like personalities. Those 5000 were quite real.
Anyway, that certain comment has had also voices of racism, and I don't think the poster wasn't aware of it. Do you support that?
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 61 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by ike on 19-Nov-2001 22:44 GMT
This is not the place to speak about rascism or twintowers ... Sarcastic comment or "black humours" aren't welcome if it becomes the principal subject. Just keep with "amiga"
ike.
Peace
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 62 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 20-Nov-2001 07:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
Who cares whether you were impressed or not? It wasnt a rock concert where you
write up your critique at the end and publish it or a film where at the end you
can come over all anal and post on the IMDB.
When you use humour you have to judge your audience. Even those that use "gallows", "grave" or
"toilet" humour know when and when not to use it.
Frankly I think both those posters that used the WTC disaster as an excuse
for poking fun arent disfunctional, they are retarded and have absolutely no
sense of reality.
If you think it is justified to brand that as "black" humour, go and stand in the rubble
of ground zero and repeat the "joke"(s).
Just because it didnt happen to you, or anyone near to you does not mean that
it was not real and did not hurt many people more than your cretinous soul will
ever feel.
Anyway, enough.
Dave.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 63 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 20-Nov-2001 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Dave):
"Frankly I think both those posters that used the WTC disaster as an excuse
for poking fun arent disfunctional, they are retarded and have absolutely no
sense of reality."
Both? I count one, but you might be seeing double.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 64 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 20-Nov-2001 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Dave):
"Anyway, enough."
Quite so.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 65 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 20-Nov-2001 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Lennart Fridén):
** fake laughter **
Yeah right.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 66 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 20-Nov-2001 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Lennart Fridén):
From Anonymous:
"Hey if it was MS's buildings which got nuked by the airplanes i dont think many of us would be upset by it... :)"
Interpreted as: "People hate Microsoft employees so much that we would mind a disaster like WTC hitting them less"
From TruthSayer
"Dam these idiots are what cause the woes of society on a whole. I sometimes wonder maybe they should have been crammed into the two towers when they went down. %"
Interpreted as: "Pretty much ditto".
I wouldnt wish WTC on my worst enemy, I wouldnt wish a car crash on my worst enemy either.
Dave "Seeing Double"
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 67 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2001 11:00 GMT
You americans (I assume) seem to be very much possessed by WTC.
Stop that, it does not relate to Amiga in any form.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 68 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 20-Nov-2001 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
You assume incorrectly.
Stop citing the WTC in jokes then, its not appropriate. The discussion is not about the WTC directly, its about the use of the WTC disaster in jokes, in an Amiga forum.
Dave.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 69 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Konfutse on 22-Nov-2001 07:38 GMT
Life is a bitch and then you die!
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