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[News] Pegasos on DCE SMD lineANN.lu
Posted on 21-Nov-2001 22:13 GMT by Christophe Decanini22 comments
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Here are some pictures of Pegasos prototypes.
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 1 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Nov-2001 21:22 GMT
In in Fertigung the last 2 ppics show something interesting... :-)
Mind you... one is named AmigaOne.JPG:) Before anyone screams out,
chech eyetech.co.uk/amigaone for the PCB layout. It's the same board...
DCE produced the protos of AOne...
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 2 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 22-Nov-2001 07:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Why do you point this out? DCE said that 7 months ago, if not even earlier.
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 3 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 22-Nov-2001 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Andreas Wolf):
How about people not remembering that? Stop snapping at the first available throat!
Yeezz I'm getting pretty ashamed of being an Amigian these days...
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 4 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 22-Nov-2001 08:41 GMT
COOL pics :) I've never seen how the computer boards are made. The process looks very interesting.
Thanks for sharing those.
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 5 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 22-Nov-2001 08:59 GMT
At 1000 EUROs, 600UKP(?) it is a bargain. And as the Euro is weakening every day against UK Stirling the Pegasos can only get cheaper - I think there are going to be a lot of UK Pegasos owners :)
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 6 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Harry Kok on 22-Nov-2001 09:33 GMT
Looks like the work I do all day.
Is there any special reason the BGA package is placed at 45 degrees?
Or is it just because it looks so neat :)
Is this the same line on wich the P5 turbo-boards were produced?
That was good stuff.
Anyway, send to the following adress...
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 7 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by StormLord on 22-Nov-2001 10:31 GMT
So almost ALL amiga hardware are constructed at DCE....
hmm... Interesting..
So.... How about the service???
DCE has the knowlege but... has the time ?
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 8 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Nov-2001 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Harry Kok):
Well, it's possibly installed like that to make the traces shorter...
MSI motherboards have hteir northbridge installed like that.
And about the second posting: .... I didn't mean anything like the bullshit
you pointed out... I just meant what Stormlord said... Most hw by most companies
is produced there while people moan that DCE is crap etc etc etc... Ok they
lack proper customer service but.... I personally had no problems with them...
My G-Rex came on time, my bvision ppc was back on time...
There were many people in here that said that this hw and that hw rulez and DCE
suxx... You don't want me to post names.... I'll need to make a list...
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 9 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by DET Nicolas on 22-Nov-2001 11:30 GMT
Well, The prototype shown at Cologne was the Final one ...
DCE starts the production ...
THEREFORE Pegasos would be avaible in some weeks :-)
Bye
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 10 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Nov-2001 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
sorry... misread and "connected" 2 posts :)
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 11 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 22-Nov-2001 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DET Nicolas):
I think this is the production of the 200 developer boards,
and/or the boards which will be available before Christmas.
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 12 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Sjoerd on 22-Nov-2001 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Harry Kok):
>Is there any special reason the BGA package is placed at 45 degrees?
>Or is it just because it looks so neat :)
Gerald Carda told me that is has to do with the 133 MHZ busspeed. All lines from that chip must have the same lengt to the processor.
Bye,
Sjoerd
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 13 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2001 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (smithy):
>At 1000 EUROs, 600UKP(?) it is a bargain. And as the Euro is weakening every day
>against UK Stirling the Pegasos can only get cheaper - I think there are going to
>be a lot of UK Pegasos owners :)
>
If it includes the nice Lian Li PC-86 USB aluminium case shown with the Pegasos at
Vesalia booth in Cologne, it is indeed a steal - the case itself is at least 140UKP!
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 14 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2001 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Sjoerd):
And it looks cool, too!
Do you know if you can clock the bus higher than 133MHz (I forgot to ask back
then)? IBM PPC750FX will have 200MHz FSB and there is already good CL2 PC-150
SDRAM available - in fact IBM measured their SPEC numbers with 150MHz bus.
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 15 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by DET Nicolas on 22-Nov-2001 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Well, it may be possible do heck something on the Motherboard to push
the bus speed to 150 Mhz. You may for example change the quartz like
on BPPC.
Whatever, I would be VERY happy if I got a Pegasos even with an "only"
133 Mhz bus.
Pegasos specification are already dann good (USB, 100Mbs ethernet,
audio chip, bulit-in V90 modem ...)
Really !
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 16 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 22-Nov-2001 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (David Scheibler):
200 developer boards? So they expect 200 developers, at least? Although I am quite impressed by what they achieved so far, these numbers appears a bit too optimistic! I would be happy if they sold 200 boards in the first few months...
Kind regards,
Andrea
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 17 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 22-Nov-2001 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Andrea Maniero):
Probably just a minimum number that had to be ordered (unless, that is, they already know of 200 developers wanting to use it).
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 18 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 22-Nov-2001 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (EyeAm):
Made me wonder how many AmigaOne bords they've made on the same production line... (there can not be that many production lines at DCE)
Really, I think they do smaller runs as well.
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 19 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gürkan on 22-Nov-2001 15:52 GMT
I guess Hyperion may also get a developer board, so that
they can port AmigaOS4 to Pegasos...
OS4 support will double the sales of Pegasos...
I am sure people will buy both MorphOS
and AmigaOS
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 20 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 22-Nov-2001 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Andrea Maniero):
Well the Amiga market isn't their only market. Pegasos is also B2B
not only B2C that's why they produce much more than for
example Eyetech can and therefore it reduces the costs of the
mainboard dramatically.
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 21 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2001 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (DET Nicolas):
>Well, it may be possible do heck something on the Motherboard to push the
>bus speed to 150 Mhz. You may for example change the quartz like on BPPC.
>
No, I do not want to "heck" anything. On PC motherboards you can adjust your
FSB and Ram Speed (sometimes in one MHz steps!) and I wonder if something
similar is possible with Pegasos - or if it is limited by design.
Pegasos on DCE SMD line : Comment 22 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 27-Nov-2001 20:32 GMT
Looked at the pictures from the show, seem to be really bad news IMHO
3 PCI ports of which one is special (for CPU cards?) and one AGP.
If you plug in the small expansioncard and the CPU card to it, then you can't use the two last PCI ports on the motherboard.
I hope this is only an old prototype and not the sales version.
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