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A trojan that deletes the startup-sequence on WinUAE systems was found in the packages AME-DSD.lha and PSL-KMJ.lha. Read the Virus Help Denmark warning.
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 1 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 08-Dec-2001 15:41 GMT
I have only one thing to say to the polish guy's behind thise demos and it's
THANKS!!!
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 2 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 08-Dec-2001 15:43 GMT
IMHO more Amigans should write their software for Amiga in this way.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 08-Dec-2001 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Trizt):
You're a fucking idiot. I hope they go to jail for this.
- Mike
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Posted by hoho on 08-Dec-2001 16:08 GMT
haha realy nice shit! im no fan of virus at all but as long as it only affects emu lamers i could realy not care less (soory for you 0.0001% uae users that acctualy USE youre uae and buy soft for it)
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 08-Dec-2001 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (hoho):
You're an idiot too!
- Mike
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Posted by Thomas W on 08-Dec-2001 16:45 GMT
Behaviour like this is unacceptable.
Hopefully the archives will be deleted from Aminet and other places.
If someone were to delete my system with all my expensive original programs I'd find these people and deal with them myself.
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 7 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by hoho on 08-Dec-2001 16:53 GMT
but didnt you see? it only affects WinUAE users! and whell who of them acctualy BUY anything? perhaps a handfull? perhaps youre one of them?.
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 8 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 08-Dec-2001 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Trizt):
You probably didn't know, but in Norwegian "Trist" means "sad". Which is kind of
funny, because that's very descriptive for your attitude. Emulator users are not
bad people, and making harmful software that targets them is in no way justified.
-
Kay
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Posted by Richie on 08-Dec-2001 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (hoho):
Sir,
You are an idiot.
BTW: My piece of crap winUAE is faster than your amiga.
HA HA
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 10 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by hoho on 08-Dec-2001 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Richie):
ohh no its realy faster? no poor me! wanker ive tried WinUAE several times as whell as both amithlon and AmigaOS xl! and i can purely say they have some good things! but as long as they cant AT LEAST do EVERYTHING an amiga can and bether its not gonna be usefull to me.
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 11 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Ville Sarell on 08-Dec-2001 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Richie):
Who cares about the speed if the most creative people are oldskool users anyway.. I myself enjoy making something with my amiga and an emulator won't make me do really nothing besides testing software and "marvel" it's speed.. and unstability on certain software.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 08-Dec-2001 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (hoho):
>but didnt you see? it only affects WinUAE users! and whell who of them
>acctualy BUY anything? perhaps a handfull? perhaps youre one of them?.
What do you know about WinUAE demographics and what people use it for? I have two systems, an A4000 and a Athlon which runs WinUAE. I use both, legally.
I'll also have you know that a great many owners of Amiga hardware pirate software too. Don't be so naive! Grow up!
- Mike
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 08-Dec-2001 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ville Sarell):
>Who cares about the speed if the most creative people are oldskool users
>anyway.. I myself enjoy making something with my amiga and an emulator won't
>make me do really nothing besides testing software and "marvel" it's speed..
>and unstability on certain software.
That's great! I'm really happy to hear people are still finding their Amiga hardware usefull. I still do! I just don't understand why people feel they need to trash the WinUAE users. Everyone has different needs. The attitude that WinUAE users are 2nd class users or are not worthy is just stupid. The more Amiga users (whether real hardware or emulated) the merrier. Sorry, but I'm not into isolationism.
- Mike
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Posted by 4pLaY on 08-Dec-2001 18:16 GMT
So then if i use pc task to emulate PC on one of my amigas im a PC user? or if i use fusion to emulate mac im suddenly a mac user? hell no :). read the word E M U L A T O R! :).
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 08-Dec-2001 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (4pLaY):
>So then if i use pc task to emulate PC on one of my amigas im a PC user? or if
>i use fusion to emulate mac im suddenly a mac user? hell no :). read the word
>E M U L A T O R! :).
Then don't buy an AmigaOne/OS4.0 because it contains an E M U L A T O R!
- Mike
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Posted by Qwerty on 08-Dec-2001 19:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Trizt):
I don't give a shit what the Amiga bigots say. Bigots have something in common, they're all narrow minded.
Proud to be a UAE Lamer.
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Posted by badl on 08-Dec-2001 19:48 GMT
Bah. Viruses are a good thing, virtual or real, for they hunt out and destroy the weak....
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Posted by 4pLaY on 08-Dec-2001 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Mike Veroukis):
Its not the same dude =) but then again why bother argue about this we can both see we are not going to get an agreement here.
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Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 08-Dec-2001 20:09 GMT
Do I sense some serious jealousy that actually something is happening on the UAE/Amithlon side, and not on the PPC side?
Couldn't resist.
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Posted by Mekanix on 08-Dec-2001 20:24 GMT
Isn't fundamentalism and fanatism great. Everybuddy can partisipate, from pilots flying boings into buildings to 1337 script-kiddies writing vira. Hey, you don't even have to have at "talent"... you can just sign as a disciple and spread the gospel of the good deeds....
I didn't think this community could sink lower, but reading all those sad deranged comments here and on amiga.org I see how wrong I was...
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Posted by Grosboulard on 08-Dec-2001 20:45 GMT
In the same order of facts, I found some weeks ago a little program on Aminet which aims to detect WinUAE Amiga. In the description file, its authors write clearly that his motivation was to block the use of programs for WinUAE. I find this attitude totally stupid. If people can't make their vision of Amiga evolve into something else than classic hardware, classic OS, or whatever else that was ship before the death of Commodore, then they should throw away Mediator PCI, Html, Flash, Javascript and anything that is connected near or far to the PC industry, or to extrapolate, anything that is connected to today's world of computer.
Amiga needs users, that's users that can make the things evolve. If you cannot convice users to buy Amiga specific hardware, then you must search users where they are..
I own an Athlon 1.3ghz, which I bought for MPEG-II encoding. Good software are available. No Amiga hardware & software can rivalise. That's why I own a PC.
BUT, I bought Amiga forever 5.0, OS3.9, Amiga CD developper, because I better like to develop for myself on Amiga.
I do not want to put my A1200-030 Tower plus its monitor besides the PC (don't want my home to become a computer laboratory), and even with that, my A1200 without 32bits graphics card, without 16bits sound card isn't really sexy compared to WinUAE.
The PC market is 'device opened'; it means that industrials can compete. Graphics cards, Sound cards, Encoding Cards, Video capture cards, modem, USB peripherials, graphics tablets. Industrials and users are the real kings in this system.
That's IHMO what make the PC and Windows so powerfull. Not Windows , nor its GUI, nor any software. Windows is just a 'standardizer' for the market.
Put WinUAE on the top of a such system, and you got your beloved OS plus all the satisfaction to have the choice in great hardware.
To those who denigrate WinUAE and keep staying on Amiga specific hardware: are you masochist ?
Do you forget these basics rules of our world: spend the less money and have the best ?
STOP BEING FANATIC, YOU ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OF AMIGA INC, FIRST OF ALL YOU ARE USERS!
What I question myself about, is that if you completely miss this opportunity as a computer user, then how do you make your choices in the rest of your life ?
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2001 20:51 GMT
hheh about time somebody did something to the crappy winuae.
lol
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Posted by plouf on 08-Dec-2001 21:28 GMT
hey it is stupoid to delete uae stuff
maybe it is not like the real stuff but
such action are by idiots
HOWEVER the trojan i will it my award
would be one that could delete pirated stuff
from harddisk ;))))
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Posted by mark on 08-Dec-2001 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (hoho):
But didn't you see? It affects them by deleting the startup-sequence.
The only way I can see any evidence that WinUAE users are far more likely to pirate software is if we include all the ones using it to play old games and go by anecdotal evidence of the number of WinUAE users pirating those old games - yet anyone using WinUAE by loading ADFs presumably wouldn't be affected. This affects those using WinUAE with an installed AmigaOS, and presumably more than just games - can you supply any evidence whatsoever that suggests such ppl are more likely to pirate software?
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Posted by mark on 08-Dec-2001 22:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (4pLaY):
Would you be happier if people said "AmigaOS users"? You're certainly a user of Windows/whatever and MacOS in those examples.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 09-Dec-2001 01:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Grosboulard):
Well I kind of understand those who want to block UAE/Amithlon. it's totally annoying how UAE and so on users say all the time how sad we are who still use real Amiga. You too should respect those who still want to use it. Otherwise there will always be silent war. I don't say I would support it, I'm not, but unless bot sides respect each other there will be more like that trojan I'm sure about it.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 09-Dec-2001 01:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (4pLaY):
>Its not the same dude =) but then again why bother argue about this we can
>both see we are not going to get an agreement here.
What you don't seem to get is that it's NOT the technology that I'm arguing over here or even the trojan which is pretty tame in comparison. It's the attitude that so many have. The attitude that "If you don't own Amiga hardware you're a loser. If you use Windows you're a loser. If you use a Mac or Linux or BeOS you're a loser. If you don't have the latest and most expensive hardware upgrade for your Amiga 4000 you're a loser. If you're not like me you're a loser." This attitude is pretty lame. I think I put this kind of mentality behind me when I turned 13.
Also, this mentality does NOT have the desired effect. If by calling me a loser for using something other then Amiga hardware you expect me to throw out my Athlon system and rush out and buy more Amiga hardware you're nuts. If anything it makes me want to distance myself more from this community. If you want to help the Classic Amiga hardware scene encouraging WinUAE trojans is NOT gonna do it. It just makes you look very bitter and spiteful, like a child who doesn't get what (s)he wants. Grow up already!
- Mike
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 09-Dec-2001 01:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
>Well I kind of understand those who want to block UAE/Amithlon. it's totally >annoying how UAE and so on users say all the time how sad we are who still use >real Amiga. You too should respect those who still want to use it. Otherwise >there will always be silent war. I don't say I would support it, I'm not, but >unless bot sides respect each other there will be more like that trojan I'm >sure about it.
I agree with you totally! Both sides should respect each other. I would hate to see a trojan that affects ONLY Amiga hardware. I would be just as pissed off. Personally, I am rather surprised that there is this bitterness between the two camps. I think both have a lot to offer. I love my A4000 but I also enjoy the much faster WinUAE. I guess you can say that I don't care how the job gets done, as long as it gets done (the way I like it). I will always be a fan of the Amiga because I believe it has the best OS on the market. Couldn't care less about the hardware though.
- Mike
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 09-Dec-2001 01:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (plouf):
Yep. There is no trojan/virus which is acceptable. It does not matter if it attacks real Amiga or UAE users, its still wrong and stupid. It's much better to show what you think with eg. blocking UAE. It's quite extreme action too and should be avoided.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 09-Dec-2001 01:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Mike Veroukis):
It's not only real Amiga users but UAE users too who do that. it's not first time I hear that I'm a fanatic looser who stull uses real Amiga when you could use sooo much faster PC and UAE. So I think UAE users too should first look at mirror and afyer that start to complain about how others think about them.
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 31 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2001 02:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mike Veroukis):
yep. As long as someone is a fan of Amiga, likes to use and supports it so we can survive, it does not matter if he uses real Amiga or UAE/Amithlon. I personally am not excited about emulators but i understand those who are and I don't have anything against them. For some of us it's the only way to still use AmigaOS. I know couple of girls and guys who have sadly broken Amiga and they have no other choise right now other than using emulator.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 09-Dec-2001 02:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mike Veroukis):
yep. As long as someone is a fan of Amiga, likes to use and supports it so we can survive, it does not matter if he uses real Amiga or UAE/Amithlon. I personally am not excited about emulators but i understand those who are and I don't have anything against them. For some of us it's the only way to still use AmigaOS. I know couple of girls and guys who have sadly broken Amiga and they have no other choise right now other than using emulator.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 09-Dec-2001 02:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
Ok I reply to my own post. I mean both sides should look at mirror, not only UAE user. We are anyway leaving old Amiga hardware behind right ? We who are still using real Amiga are moving ahead too. I personally wont never sell my current Amiga if I really don't have to i have too much good memories. I want to have real Amiga. But we are too moving closer to mainstream and we are going to have emulation for old stuff too. So what's the point of fighting ?
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 34 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2001 04:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
they have other options like buying a new amiga . so there arent 250k out there . There is enough brand new ones that anyone can buy some. Let us not froget the used ones.
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2001 04:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
amiga is better . that the point and the emmulators dont show a true amiga.
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 36 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 09-Dec-2001 05:10 GMT
Emulators do not help the Amiga scene. I recall a user of
UAE/AF/Amithlon asking for no more PPC software since they can't run
it on their emu system. What bullshit! Moving the Amiga to pure PC
hardware is a sure way to make it dissapear completely as it's own
machine. No one will write software for Amiga, because you're just
dualbooted with Windows anyway... right? How many games do you see
for Linux? Not a hell of alot. I want us to go PPC more than ever
now.
And as for the "faster" UAE system, I've been hearing other reports...
from my understanding an 060 system is whooping ass on the emulators
for playing
FreeSpace.
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Posted by m0ns00n on 09-Dec-2001 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (NeRP):
Give up already. It is not going to help anybody to keep arguing. Those who have braindamage is beyond repair.
So, let's make AROS and AmigaOS and MorphOS forums, so that we can go on. Amiga forums are narrow these days it seems, and it is time for fresh ideas. Making forums for AROS, AOS and MOS could really help.
I have been working on an idea for an AROS forum for some time now. But since I have a lot of work these days, it is going slow. If anyone wants to help, please mail me on the supplied email address.
I, for one, am not going to continue to argue on this dead debate.
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Posted by James Carroll on 09-Dec-2001 10:14 GMT
Amiga users going on about how good it is that a select group of people are being affected by viruses. No wonder people outside the "community" think you're fanatics.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Dec-2001 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (NeRP):
> Emulators do not help the Amiga scene.
Really? You do know that OS 4.0 would not have a JIT 68k compiler if it wasn't for the JIT compiler on the x86 emulators don't you?
> I recall a user of UAE/AF/Amithlon asking for no more PPC
> software since they can't run it on their emu system. What
> bullshit!
You recall so well that you can't even tell what that person was using, right? Those users don't ask for "no more PPC" software, they are asking for "no more PPC only software".
> Moving the Amiga to pure PC hardware is a sure way to make it
> dissapear completely as it's own machine.
I have news for you: it already has. There is no more new Amiga hardware. Amiga Inc are a SOFTWARE company.
> No one will write software for Amiga, because you're just
> dualbooted with Windows anyway... right?
Of course. That's why no one, icluding Borland, H&P, IBM etc, would be stupid enough to support Linux. Would they?...
> How many games do you see for Linux? Not a hell of alot.
A helluva lot more than for the Amiga these days, that's for sure.
> I want us to go PPC more than ever now.
Good for you.
> And as for the "faster" UAE system, I've been hearing other
> reports...
Go on, surprise me.
> from my understanding an 060 system is whooping ass on the
> emulators for playing FreeSpace.
...as long as the 060 system has a Voodoo 3 and the emulator does not. Since the Voodoo 3 can be used with at least one of the emulators, with 3D acceleration, that comparison is moot. Can the 060 system run Freespace with a software renderer only and still be very playable?
What is it with these diehards? They approve of virus writing as long as it doesn't affect them, they would be truly happy to shrink the Amiga community even more just so they could stay "unsullied" and they rant and rave against things they know jack s#?t about.
Why can't ALL AmigaOS users be accepted? Why does it matter what hardware people want to run? Surely that is their choice, and anyone wanting to use Amiga software - and who is willing to pay for it - is a good thing for the community. Yes, there are emulator users who are pirates, and there are also Amiga users who are pirates. Come to thing of it, virus writers are usually pirates too.
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Posted by Leo on 09-Dec-2001 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (hoho):
Hey ! Remember that without UAE Golded 6.x would probably not exist...
=> There is a lot softs being made with UAE...
Please change your mind BIG IDIOT...
Leo.
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Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 09-Dec-2001 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (NeRP):
>Emulators do not help the Amiga scene. I recall a user of
>UAE/AF/Amithlon asking for no more PPC software since they can't run
>it on their emu system. What bullshit! Moving the Amiga to pure PC
>hardware is a sure way to make it dissapear completely as it's own
>machine. No one will write software for Amiga, because you're just
>dualbooted with Windows anyway... right? How many games do you see
>for Linux? Not a hell of alot. I want us to go PPC more than ever
>now.
Would you please stop bringing up the stupid dual-booting argument? It's been proven to be silly a few hundred times now.
>And as for the "faster" UAE system, I've been hearing other reports...
>from my understanding an 060 system is whooping ass on the emulators
>for playing FreeSpace.
And again you got it all wrong.
When you compare a 060 + Voodoo3 against Amithlon without 3D hardware, the 060 will be faster (of course). But when you make a true comparison (060+Voodoo and Amithlon+Voodoo3 or both without 3d hardware), Amithlon will, yet again, kick the crap out of the 060.
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Posted by adam ceremuga on 09-Dec-2001 14:06 GMT
'my amiga faster than your amiga'
oh shut up all of you will you?
enjoy your amiga. unlike windows at least we have multiple solutions.. :)
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 09-Dec-2001 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
>they have other options like buying a new amiga . so there arent 250k out
>there . There is enough brand new ones that anyone can buy some. Let us not
>froget the used ones.
Well... Sure, but, not everyone is made of money! You can't just buy a stock Amiga anymore, you need a lot of extras to make it useful. That adds up you know. And for many it's hard to justify spending more money on a market that seems to be on it's last leg. Many are instead waiting to see if the AmigaOne will revitalize the market. Don't be so quick to judge others, you don't know why people do what they do. It's better for users to use WinUAE then no AMiga at all. If they're using WinUAE that atleast shows they're interested in the system and perhaps one day will buy AmigaOne systems. There's no reason to scare them off, everyone has their place.
- Mike
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Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 09-Dec-2001 14:43 GMT
All right people, PLEASE, knock it off. The emulator debate is pretty much finished
until somebody can actually come up with something *new* to say.
-
I'll just comment on ONE point, as it is a lie I feel the need to address:
>Would you please stop bringing up the stupid dual-booting argument? It's been proven to
>be silly a few hundred times now.
Brecht, I swear you are trying to annoy me to death, and it is almost working. The
dual-booting argument has been claimed, CLAIMED, C-L-A-I-M-E-D to be silly a few times.
That is NOT the same as *proven*. Now, I don't want to get into that discussion again.
But it never ended up proving ANYTHING, one way or antoher, so don't lie about the outcome.
-
Kay
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Posted by Frans on 09-Dec-2001 14:47 GMT
Personally I own 12 Classic Amiga's and I still use some of them occasionally.
One of my 4000's is as advanced as I could make it, before those PCI boards came along. It's got PPC604@233, 68060, plenty of ram, OS 3.9, Picasso IV with all the modules, Toccata, Catweasel, IV24 (It's towered in a Mikronik tower with 2 video slots), TBC+, IOBlix and Ariadne II...
Emulators are a passion of mine and not only the Amiga ones. I own Amithlon and Amiga Forever and I enjoy playing with them. I still buy hard an software for my Amiga's, both emulated and real.
A trojan like this would affect me too, though I still consider myself an avid Amiga fan; I bought the SDK - even though I wouldn't know where to start with programming, I own one of those cool Amiga watches that Petro sold a couple of years ago, I even bought one of those body warmers from Amiga and I even fly to England or take a train to Germany from Holland to visit an Amiga fair. So I don't think I'd be deserving of the vengeance bestowed upon me by those idiots programming worms and viruses. No-one has the right to delete ; or alter for that matter; anything on MY computer(s) without my permission it is just plain wrong.
Thats the whole point that should be made here. If you don't like emulators try to persuade people to use the real thing, but dont sneak into a system that isn't even yours and delete or alter or do anything else thats destructive, if you do your no better than a common burglar and you should be locked up. (And you should also get you ass kicked but thats not supported in many systems of justice around the world.)
Anyway, just my two cents (or Euro's)... I don't think I'm the only one using classics and Emulators, don't generalise by thinking that only pc-users use WinUAE.
Frans
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 09-Dec-2001 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (NeRP):
>I recall a user of UAE/AF/Amithlon asking for no more PPC software since they
>can't run it on their emu system. What bullshit!
Yeah, that's bullshit. It's about as self centered as the anti-WinUAE mentality. Basically everyone wants the entire community to shift in the direction that they want it to, or it's all crap. If that's not self-centered I don't know what is!
I'm not gonna let you drag me into the x86 vs PPC war again. Amiga Inc has chosen PPC so let's see what happens. No point arguing now, we'll have results in just a few months.
>And as for the "faster" UAE system, I've been hearing other reports...
>from my understanding an 060 system is whooping ass on the emulators
>for playing FreeSpace.
Well, the UAE system is faster when it works properly. You should see how fast it is with something like ImgaFX. I tried the most complex effects which normally take minutes on my Amiga and they were almost instant on the WinUAE. Now that's fast! However, I'm the one who posted speed results of the FreeSpace demo on my Athlon here a few weeks back. Yes, the speed was a lot less then I was expecting, although still playable to some degree. The emulator had some kind of problem with the game. But there are always bug fixes to WinUAE so although it's slugish now, that could change in the near future.
- Mike
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Posted by Mekanix on 09-Dec-2001 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Want proof? Here is one...
CLAIM: People with (dual|multi)booting x86 will boot into Windows most of the time if not all of the time.
PROOF OF FAILURE: *I* have a multibooting x86 and I rarely boot Windows. I'm running Windows less than 0,1 percent of the time. Claim invalidated.
And I'm no special case, bet a lot of others can claim the same"(Brecht? Hogget? ??)
Now, I've got a counterclaim for you...
COUNTERCLAIM: a) Most Amigausers *do* own a x86 w. Windows (CK's MOTD from december 2nd should prove interessting read).
b) Amigausers with dual HW-setup (AmigaHW and x86) runs Windows more often than (dual|multi)booting x86-users.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 09-Dec-2001 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Frans):
>Anyway, just my two cents (or Euro's)... I don't think I'm the only one using
>classics and Emulators, don't generalise by thinking that only pc-users use
>WinUAE.
Really good post. I just want to add one little bit: People shouldn't assume that just because one uses or even supports the x86 platform that they are fanatical about that platform. I can't stand Windows but I need to use it to get what I need done. It's just that simple.
- Mike
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 49 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 09-Dec-2001 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Mekanix):
Oh, let's get over the dual-boot wars. This thread, or should I say, this argument is not about the technology but about the mentality. Both sides have to stop fighting all the time. Perhaps that's impossible, I don't know, but I think all Amiga users are important to the scene (and a small scene it is). We must not try to distance each other, after all, we all love the Amiga right? Why are we always at each other's throats? We must just accept that others needs are different. These WinUAE/PPC wars hurt the Amiga scene as a whole. No one wins.
- Mike
New trojans on Aminet : Comment 50 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 09-Dec-2001 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Mike Veroukis):
> These WinUAE/PPC wars hurt the Amiga
> scene as a whole. No one wins.
Actually it's more like OS4/PPC vs. MorphOS vs. x86/Amithlon/AROS/UAE. Thanks to the guys in charge (AInc, RS, Hyperion, H&P) the community have become severely fractioned. The community is no more. Now, the question who will survive, especially when taken into account that the old community wasn't even big enough to support *one* path...
I have nothing against PPC, but excluding x86 is just plain stupid. And when given the reason by Ben Hermanns constant mantra, that x86-users lack free will and it's better (for whom?) to lock users into a novelty platform where choices are limited. Apparently in the eyes of Ben Hermanns, people without a free will are less inclined to pay full price for vintage-software. So a platform where those weak-minded users would have access to the *same* vintage-software at a discount would be bad (for whom?).
All this of course makes sence.... if you are a developer/(HW|SW)vendor in a noncompetitive market. For them a x86-solution would mean that they'd have to enter a *very* competitive market...
But from a user perspective, it puts them in a position where they'd be forced into either buy further expensive hardware or look into changing platforms.
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