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[News] Amiga release SDK updatesANN.lu
Posted on 22-Dec-2001 17:58 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä27 comments
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From Amiga Support Network: "New SDK Updates have been posted in the SDK Updates section of the site. Also, SDK Updates and all other web-only downloads are now resumable. To take advantage of this feature, you must have a browser or download manager that supports HTTP Resume (Getright, GoZilla!, Caitoo, etc)."
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 1 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Dec-2001 17:01 GMT
You forgot to mention, these are BETA updates yet again, so only those who have signed NDAs have access to them.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 2 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 22-Dec-2001 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Bill Hoggett):
Yep, noticed it (since I haven't signed an NDA...). Unfortunately it wasn't stated on the amigadev news page.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 3 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Dec-2001 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
It never is. :(
They will do the same as with the last upgrade: take it to a final beta, then instead of actually releasing the free update, they will move to the next revision beta, thus making sure that no updates are released to anyone who hasn't signed an NDA.
Since this was never stated in the original manual or adverts, it makes a mockery of the entire process. This is a long standing issue which Amiga Inc have prevaricated over for at least half a year. I wonder what excuses they'll come up with this time. (Last time they said they had no control over the updates- ???)
Does anyone know if the 1.2 SDK works with any current Linux distro?
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 4 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Coward on 22-Dec-2001 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Bill Hoggett):
RH 7.2 - Try:
rpm -h -v --install --nodeps intent1.2-*.rpm
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 5 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2001 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Bill Hoggett):
RE: Linux distro.
I would prefer it if a simple requirements list is offered somewhere.
I run Linux, but not any particular distro (ie. it's completely
custom). So statements like, works with Redhat 6.2 or whatever
don't mean a great deal to me.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 6 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Dec-2001 19:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous Coward):
Thanks. I'll try that if 1.2 ever comes out of beta. I'm not holding my breath though...
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 7 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2001 20:06 GMT
"They will do the same as with the last upgrade: take it to a final beta, then instead of actually releasing the free update, they will move to the next revision beta, thus making sure that no updates are released to anyone who hasn't signed an NDA.
Since this was never stated in the original manual or adverts, it makes a mockery of the entire process. This is a long standing issue which Amiga Inc have prevaricated over for at least half a year. I wonder what excuses they'll come up with this time. (Last time they said they had no control over the updates- ???)"
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Don't bother trying to email asking anyone at Amiga about it, because they won't even reply to you.
Anyone have any word on what this patch is supposed to do?
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 8 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2001 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
do? make someone think something is happening?
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 9 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Dec-2001 21:17 GMT
Kai pali xestikame...
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 10 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 22-Dec-2001 22:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bill Hoggett):
>Thanks. I'll try that if 1.2 ever comes out of beta. I'm not holding my breath
>though...
Go to http://java.sun.com and download _1.3_ for Linux. It's free, it works, it's not in beta, it's not several years out of date like 1.2 is, and you don't need to sign any NDA.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 11 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Dec-2001 22:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (smithy):
Oh, such wit. What would we do without you?
</sarcasm>
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 12 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2001 02:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Touche.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 13 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 23-Dec-2001 09:47 GMT
> Anyone have any word on what this patch is supposed to do?
this has nothing to do with amiga. it's an intent update.
the TAO people do a great job. the red white checkered ball
was removed from the demos, for those of you who like
to read between the lines...
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 14 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by NIcolas Mendoza on 23-Dec-2001 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (smithy):
>>Thanks. I'll try that if 1.2 ever comes out of beta. I'm not holding my >breath
>>though...
>
>Go to http://java.sun.com and download _1.3_ for Linux. It's free, it works, >it's not in beta, it's not several years out of date like 1.2 is, and you >don't need to sign any NDA.
I didn't think he meant JDK, but the AmigaDE SDK1.2. And so what if you need to sign a NDA? It's not like the world will go under. An NDA is useful to protect IP and SW from getting in the "wrong" hands.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 15 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 23-Dec-2001 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (anon):
Oh look, Peeps! FUD! On ANN!
Whoulda thunk it...
-skal
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 16 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 23-Dec-2001 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (NIcolas Mendoza):
> I didn't think he meant JDK, but the AmigaDE SDK1.2.
He knew perfectly well what I meant. He was just acting the smartass.
> And so what if you need to sign a NDA? It's not like
> the world will go under. An NDA is useful to protect
> IP and SW from getting in the "wrong" hands.
But, and this is the crucial bit, we should have been informed of the need to sign an NDA (before we were going to be allowed any updates) PRIOR to purchase. However, this was not the case, as you don't find out about the NDA restriction until after you sign in with your SDK login, which you can only get after you have purchased the product in the first place. See?
Even now, when there's all the fuss about the new "upgrade" there is no mention of the NDA requirement until you actually try and download it. I had a mail exchange with Gary earlier this year where he confirmed that you would NOT be required to sign an NDA to get SDK updates, and yet many months later you still can't get ANY updates if you haven't signed an NDA. That is the sole purpose of keeping the updates in "beta" state.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 17 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 23-Dec-2001 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Bill Hoggett):
> I didn't think he meant JDK, but the AmigaDE SDK1.2.
>He knew perfectly well what I meant. He was just acting the smartass
Actually, I did think you meant the JDK. However, my comments stand.
Incidentally, I have not seen anyone justify why Amiga Inc are using Sun's PersonalJava and not Sun's current J2ME.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 18 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by bhickman on 23-Dec-2001 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (smithy):
> Incidentally, I have not seen anyone justify why Amiga Inc are using Sun's
> PersonalJava and not Sun's current J2ME.
#1. TAO's J2PE is faster when comparing the core elements.
#2. J2PE includes a nice subset of Swing components, J2ME has no Swing.
#3. TAO's J2PE is more compatible with the J2SE than the J2ME is simply because of the Swingset and modern Java Applets using Swing components. But then, Applets suck.
#4. J2ME is tied to a micro footprint without much hope for a full desktop Java layer. The J2PE is closer to the J2SE without the overhead.
There are other reasons I could list. I think this is enough though.
- Bill
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 19 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2001 21:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Bill Hoggett):
What's an SDK login? Somewhere on Amigadev.net I was asked for a number that the SDK was supposed to have generated? Or so I was told. I've never been able to find the thing.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 20 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 23-Dec-2001 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Skal Loret):
Is it FUD, or harsh reality?
Dammy
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 21 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 24-Dec-2001 04:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
You get the login to access NDA covered parts of the website, it's the same login for amigadev.net, you have to sign an NDA first, of course.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 22 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Skal Loret on 24-Dec-2001 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (dammy):
FUD. In spite of some of the slime moves some are trying to make.
-skal
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 23 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 24-Dec-2001 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (bhickman):
>#1. TAO's J2PE is faster when comparing the core elements.
According to Sun's PersonalJava site (http://java.sun.com/products/personaljava/), Tao is simply a "reseller" of PersonalJava. There is nowhere to suggest that it belongs to Tao.
#2. J2PE includes a nice subset of Swing components, J2ME has no Swing.
Ahh, I see :)
>Applets suck.
Very true. I think the initial takeup was just about novelty-value, but now people seem to have moved on to Shockwave.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 24 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 24-Dec-2001 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Skal Loret):
Posted by Skal Loret (63.76.36.73) on 24-Dec-2001 06:21:20In Reply to Comment 20:
> FUD. In spite of some of the slime moves some are trying to make.
Slime moves? Let's not get into the personal lives of some of the "The Name" Inc's owners/employees shall we?
BTW, you still have a bit of brown stuff on your nose. ;^)
Dammy
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 25 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-Dec-2001 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (amigammc):
That's not quite right. When you install the SDK, you get a number which you then have to use to get an activation key off the amigadev site. The first time you do this, you also get a login (mine starts with AD, followed by four digits). This gets you access to the main part of the amigadev site, but it does NOT entitle you to any NDA covered material, such as the updates.
AS far as I'm concerned, the SDK updates are still only available internally, so the announcement about the 1.2 update being released is basically untrue.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 26 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2001 19:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Bill Hoggett):
Where do you get this number? I've seen it mentioned before, but I've never been able to find where it placed mine or where it shows mine.
Amiga release SDK updates : Comment 27 of 27ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 24-Dec-2001 20:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
I can only speak for the Windows version (1.01) of the SDK. The Developer ID screen should ask you for a 32 digit developer ID string, then you will be asked for the System ID string. If you don't have the Amiga developer ID you should obtain it from: http://www.amigadev.net/register
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