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[Motd] MOTD 30/Dec/2001ANN.lu
Posted on 30-Dec-2001 18:30 GMT by Christian Kemp71 comments
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It seems I cannot even be away for 4 days without some sick bastard trying to post crap on ANN and ruin it for everyone. Sometimes, I really wonder if it's worth the time, money and effort to keep the site going.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 1 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Angus on 30-Dec-2001 18:06 GMT
Please be assured that many of us deeply appreciate your efforts.
Best wishes,
Angus Manwaring.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 2 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Douglas McLaughlin on 30-Dec-2001 18:14 GMT
Quick! Christian needs another vote of confidence! YES! It's worth it. As long as ANN is here it will always be my homepage on every browser I use. Don't stop, you ARE appreciated! Even in the face of recent garbage posts, even when the comments reach 250+ and 99% are argument, yes, even then.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 3 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Cooke on 30-Dec-2001 18:15 GMT
I'm here every day, it's a lifeline. Don't let the minority get you down.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 4 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2001 18:19 GMT
Oh lookout, crying Christian needs a big backpatting session after seeing everyone lick around Wayne, now he needs his share. You complete dickhead.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 5 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Taylor on 30-Dec-2001 18:21 GMT
I agree! It's a Great site & I also come here (almost) every day. I plead as well, don't let some VERY immature people get to you. ANN ROCKS!
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 6 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by John Wittington on 30-Dec-2001 18:23 GMT
Yes yes heres your applause Mr Kemp , now get on with it already.
Crying over Mr Hunts attention? absolutely.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 7 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Smithy on 30-Dec-2001 18:24 GMT
I think ANN is important to the Amiga community, and I appreciate it a great deal. It is one of the last mechanisms that the community can talk and shout at each other. A community with no means to communicate is no community at all!
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 8 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Adam on 30-Dec-2001 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
seem to hear a lot of the same site owners wanting to quit again and again. this whole act of stirring the goodness of the amiga community up every time you webbies need an ego boost or donations IS getting on the boring side already. spare us please.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 9 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Sphinx on 30-Dec-2001 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (John Wittington):
"Crying over Mr Hunts attention? absolutely. "
I Could Not Agree More John, The Whole Thing Sickens Me And I Shall Not Be Visiting Either amiga.org OR ann.lu Again.
I Will Stick To Less Emotionally Fragile (And Porn Free) Sites Such As amiga-news.de 8-)
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 10 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2001 18:34 GMT
BWAHAHA YES HAVE A BIG CRY CHRISTIAN YOU FAIRY BASTARD! BOOHOO !
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 11 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Dec-2001 18:35 GMT
Did I miss something on ANN? Was it hacked or something? Well it seems I'm not sure what this is a response to, however, it does seem like we're all suffering from some kind of anxiety here. Someone should do some phsyco analysis on the typical Amiga fanatic as this seems to be a real stressful time for us. There's been so many "heated" debates, so much distrust, so many hacks and attacks, so much destruction to the community; this can only mean one thing: things are changing! The wait has been so long for that guiding light, we've been stuck in the dark for so long we're fighting against ourselves. It's sad to say the least.
All I can say to Wayne or Christian is to atleast wait and see what the new year brings. Things are changing and this will be a tough time for everyone I think. Many will come to realize that their trusted hardware they've been using for years and years might need to be set aside and replaced with something new. To say that emotions run high is an understatement considering some of the "debates" going on the forums these days. Well, I just hope it doesn't rip us all apart. That's what I fear most. Let's hope understanding and tolerance prevails. If peace is possible in Afghanistan, I'm sure it's possible on the Amiga forums. :-)
- Mike
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 12 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 30-Dec-2001 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
For someone who has done so much for the amiga community I can't believe the harsh attitudes.
Yes he's having a cry, but we do once in a while huh?!
Bill.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 13 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 30-Dec-2001 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bill Hoggett):
*Sigh!*
There's always some jackass thinking himself clever.
Before anyone replies, I suggest we start checking IP addresses and e-mails. Message 12 is a fake. I have no idea why, but there you go.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 14 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 30-Dec-2001 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
> Oh lookout, crying Christian needs a big backpatting session after seeing
> everyone lick around Wayne, now he needs his share. You complete dickhead.
Ah, aren't blind assumptions a wonderful thing? Did it never cross your mind
that I might actually have posted the message before reading any comments on
ANN?
Now, who's the dickhead?
Please, do myself and pretty much everybody else here a big favour, and just go away. Seeing how you don't like the site, or my running the site, why don't you just go f*ck yourself and never return here?
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 15 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 30-Dec-2001 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Adam):
> seem to hear a lot of the same site owners wanting to quit again and again.
> this whole act of stirring the goodness of the amiga community up every time
> you webbies need an ego boost or donations IS getting on the boring side
> already. spare us please.
I guess the same applies as with my previous response in this thread...
Perhaps site owners want to quit because they are indeed fed up by people just like you.
Oh, and if I am boring you, feel free to just go away.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 16 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by anonynony on 30-Dec-2001 19:28 GMT
There you go again, complaining in your MOTD's.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 17 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 30-Dec-2001 19:32 GMT
Christian, just redirect the halfwits and their comments to NIL:! I give you thumbs up for enduring is this displayed void of reason.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 18 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Dec-2001 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (anonynony):
>There you go again, complaining in your MOTD's.
Atleast Christian has the guts to attach his REAL name to his posts, unlike you, you coward!
- Mike
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 19 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 30-Dec-2001 19:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mike Veroukis):
Just to record that I greatly appreciate the effort Christian and his
helpers have put into this site.
I don't know what we can do to get rid of the destructive characters.
I suppose certain IP addresses could be filtered out. There are people
around who have absolutely nothing to say in human language.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 20 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by bhickman on 30-Dec-2001 19:52 GMT
One thing that always amazes me is the half-twits who go around bashing web sites yet being a narcotic hypocrit and reading every bit of the site involved in the bashing. I think once people find out who is posting the tripe or hacking the web sites everyone grabs a pitch fork and make the person responsible "holy".
Haven't had a public lynching in decades, I think it's time to reinstate the time honored tradition for just this one prick.
Keep up the great work Christian.
- Bill
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 21 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by koehler on 30-Dec-2001 19:53 GMT
LOL!
Look at the great ann.lu go!
While it is a shame that it was hacked, after the crap Watyne received it refreshing to note how the an.lu'ers can come together..... not.
I really don't know why these guys run Amiga websites, considering the fact that most Amigans' seem to be pretty pathetic compared to the 'Gods' we were years back. Personally, I'd like to see maybe more Morph/AROS stuuf in the mix, might draw a more mature crowd.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 22 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by bhickman on 30-Dec-2001 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Don Cox):
You can't filter IP addresses with this person. If you trace the IP addresses they go all over the world. He uses a back door method to get from place to place. It's hard to filter out a public library or an internet cafe. Your best bet is just to find him and punish him accordingly. If I remember correctly there are internet laws describing defacing and hacking. One thing I'm curious about is why this script kiddie isn't making the attempt on hyperion or other companies. He's just set on places that allow for public postings and such. So why hasn't he attacked amiga-news.de? And why did he attack Amiga.com or Eyetech? Why is this person infatuated with aids and gay porn? Who knows, who cares. We know this person did it, now it's time to bring them to the bench to be incarcerated for their crimes.
- Bill
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 23 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Ville Sarell on 30-Dec-2001 20:08 GMT
I think it's ABOUT TIME to make ann.lu available only to registered users now on. I like your (Christian) idea of letting everyone share their comments even anonymously, but most of the anon comments in recent weeks are really so lowish and provocative that we simply can't let that go out of control. It's like watching children in a kindergarden.. they go wacko if no one is present (adult).
I still occasionally see well written anon comments, but they are becoming more rare all the time.
Stop those kids before they do more damage!
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 24 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by bhickman on 30-Dec-2001 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (koehler):
Isn't that what the "Add News Item" is all about? Post'em if you got'em? Or do you really care less about ANN that you feel your information not worthy enough of being added to the list of news? ANN works from news contributions alone.
With eyes wide shut.
- Bill
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 25 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 30-Dec-2001 20:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (bhickman):
Exactly my thoughts. I guess Freud would have some explanation for this guy's obsessions to label other people with whatever insult he's using, but I don't want to go into that right now...
amiga-news does not allow open posting, that's probably one of the reasons why Petra has been safe so far.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 26 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 30-Dec-2001 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Ville Sarell):
Agreed on your reasoning, but in the current climate I'm not sure I'm willing to invest the time and dedication to write, implement and test such a system.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 27 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 30-Dec-2001 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
>*Sigh!*
>There's always some jackass thinking himself clever.
>Before anyone replies, I suggest we start checking IP addresses and e-mails. >Message 12 is a fake. I have no idea why, but there you go.
God, we really need user accounts in here.
Looks like you got some psycho fans, Bill :)
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 28 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 30-Dec-2001 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Christian Kemp):
I think there's a good chance that all these idiotic comments were made by *one* person using a number of anonimizer services...
Just ignore'm
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 29 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 30-Dec-2001 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Don Cox):
>Just to record that I greatly appreciate the effort Christian and his
>helpers have put into this site.
>
>I don't know what we can do to get rid of the destructive characters.
>I suppose certain IP addresses could be filtered out. There are people
>around who have absolutely nothing to say in human language
Banning IP's won't help, as I suspect at least half of those idiots is using anonimizer services...
They are just sad induhviduals craving for some attention (prolly neglected at home), so let's just *completely* ignore them.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 30 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 30-Dec-2001 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (bhickman):
>Isn't that what the "Add News Item" is all about? Post'em if you got'em? Or do
>you really care less about ANN that you feel your information not worthy
>enough of being added to the list of news? ANN works from news contributions
>alone
If you're posting real news (and not gay porn), you shouldn't have a problem with getting an account (confirmed by email).
Come to think of it, I can't remember seeing a news item from an anonymous poster.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 31 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Quantum3 on 30-Dec-2001 20:43 GMT
Don't be disheartened.
ANN is great :-)
Cheers :-)
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 32 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 30-Dec-2001 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Brecht [darklite]):
>God, we really need user accounts in here.
That won't help. Anybody could create an account under anyone name with any webmail address.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 33 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Brecht [darklite] on 30-Dec-2001 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (smithy):
I know :/
but at least it would stop name-faking
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 34 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 30-Dec-2001 21:42 GMT
If people don't like the existing amiga news sites, they can set up
their own site, the way they want to.,
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 35 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Cluke on 30-Dec-2001 21:59 GMT
Listen, this is just one sad guy. Let's all ignore him.
Christian, take comfort from the fact that you are running what is probably the most popular Amiga site *ever*. It's obviously going to attract some crazies. That's life... just realise that you are appreciated by 99% of your visitors!
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 36 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 30-Dec-2001 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (koehler):
ANN wasn't hacked. Some asshole just saw it fit to abuse the "add news item"-feature. By the idiot's apparent level of maturity, he's probably under 12 years old and wouldn't even know how to hack a website.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 37 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 30-Dec-2001 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Christian Kemp):
I think it could be the death of ANN if you started posing restriction on this board. If I have to register yet another ID and remember yet another passwd to spill my beans I'd propably end up not doing so (which many would be thankfull for I guess...)
IMO The openess is what have made ANN in the first place.
But whatever you do I salute you... personally I'd quit long time ago. The community have become to condensed of fanatics and their lack of logic and reason. And it's not just the users I'm talking about.
If I'm correct, ANN was supposed to be a fun pasttime not a sour fulltime job. Don't forget yourself and your own life.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 38 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 30-Dec-2001 22:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
Well whoever he is, he'd make a good PR guy for you! ;)
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 39 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 30-Dec-2001 22:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (bhickman):
The backdoor method? Hmmmm sounds right up this guys alley! ;) UP ya boyeo!!
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 40 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Dec-2001 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (smithy):
>That won't help. Anybody could create an account under anyone name with any
>webmail address.
Sure, we all know that, but most of the time people cause trouble because it's easy to do so. Make them put some effort into it and you will see that there is less trouble caused.
With registered accounts, a poster who violates sertain posting rules can have their account shut down. So even if things get out of hand at some point it's possible to clamp down and calm the situation if you need to.
- Mike
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 41 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 30-Dec-2001 22:40 GMT
Ignore all the naydoers man, they're just jealous. You got my vote.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 42 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 30-Dec-2001 22:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Mike Veroukis):
Registration could be really simple. All you need is a standard username really. It's not my call, but I'd still be here if there was some form of registration.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 43 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 30-Dec-2001 22:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (KenH):
> Well whoever he is, he'd make a good PR guy
> for you! ;)
That's just it. He didn't say anything nasty or defamatory, didn't swear at anyone, or do anything else objectionable - except impersonate me. Go figure.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 44 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 30-Dec-2001 22:54 GMT
Hi Christian
Please keep ANN.LU online. It is one of my favourite sites (as Amiga.org) and I can see that alot of people thinks same here.
It's probably just the same scriptkiddies that did Amiga.org, Amiga, and Eyetech. Maybe they couldn't hack your site (as it's not PHP based?). It's probably only one or two people trying to take all the news sites down, can't see their reason to do it though? To kill the remaining Amiga community maybe but why would that be fun...?
Please keep ANN as it's a great site for our community.
Best regards
And happy new year to you and your family.
Troels Ersking
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 45 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 30-Dec-2001 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Bill Hoggett):
>That's just it. He didn't say anything nasty or defamatory, didn't swear at
>anyone, or do anything else objectionable - except impersonate me. Go figure.
Yeah, I noticed that. Too weird. If this keeps up we'll have to start digitally signing our posts! :-)
- Mike
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 46 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Not Saying on 30-Dec-2001 23:23 GMT
The following was posted in part, to usenet. Though directed at
usenet, I'm sure the same mindset applies here.
Not posting who I am because this party has shown they hit on those who
respond (No Duh! given the following)
Also another Usenet poster suggested www.web-police.org
Consider how this thread and the following suggest this "problem" is
thanking you all:
From nobody@nym.alias.net 27 Dec 2001 13:30:02 -0000
From: autoresponder <nobody@nym.alias.net>
*** IF YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT ANNOYING USENET USERS
If you are angered by someone's postings on usenet and would like to
see that person's account terminated, first consider this: Given the
size of usenet, it is simply not possible to prevent a particular
person from posting articles. Moreover, someone who deliberately
posts offensive or annoying material to a newsgroup may be doing it
specifically to get a reaction out of people. Canceling such people's
E-mail accounts typically has two effects: First it tends to make
them quite gleeful, as usenet trollers enjoy both the attention an
account closing gives them and the fact that they can gloat over
failed attempts to "censor" them. Second, closing accounts drives
abusers to post from more and different addresses, making their trolls
far more difficult to delete or ignore in an automated fashion.
If some juvenile brat is disrupting a newsgroup you subscribe to with
posts specifically designed to annoy people and draw flames, the best
thing you can do is to ignore those posts and not give the troller the
satisfaction of seeing a response. Fortunately, through a mechanism
called killfiles, many news readers can automatically delete
undesirable articles before you even have to look at them. For more
information on killfiles, you can consult the killfile FAQ at
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/killfile-faq/faq.html.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 47 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Leroux on 30-Dec-2001 23:29 GMT
I would suggest that people like this want attention. I would shut off the anonymous posting option for news. If someone has a problem posting their name and confirmed email, they likely are up to no good. It closes that route.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 48 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Eriksson on 30-Dec-2001 23:47 GMT
Christian, it *is* worth it. "Amiga Network News" is one of today's most important public information resources for the AmigaOS communities. I think I speak for the behalf of most Amiga users when I say that "Amiga Network News" is a service that should be treasured by everyone of us. Unfortunatly to say, everyone is not interested in respecting the time, money and energy you and the rest of the staff put into "Amiga Network News". That's why I think the unmoderated postings should require a registration of some kind (posters don't have to reveal personal information details to anyone but "ANN"). Anyone seeing the tremendous value of "ANN" shouldn't have any problems complying to any rules like these.
Please keep up the *excellent* work and have a Happy New Year!
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 49 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 31-Dec-2001 01:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
For some anonymous bastards that post bullshit:
You know what is the best thing to do, except posting bullshit?
Sucking my dick. And if you don't want to do that I will make you
do it.
Fuck Off.
MOTD 30/Dec/2001 : Comment 50 of 71ANN.lu
Posted by Firebird^ on 31-Dec-2001 06:35 GMT
Your considerable efforts to keep us informed have not escaped notice, Christian. Keep up the good work. ;)
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