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[News] Sony, IBM, Toshiba team up to create new OSANN.lu
Posted on 05-Jan-2002 15:38 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä31 comments
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"Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCE), Toshiba Corp. and IBM Corp. have reached a basic agreement on jointly developing a new operating system (OS) to be released in 2005 for computers capable of high-speed Internet connections, industry sources said Friday. The OS would allow personal computers and home appliances to exchange huge volumes of data, including the high-resolution graphics of a television screen, through a broadband connection." Read the news article here.
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 05-Jan-2002 15:49 GMT
Why are they doing that?
I am sure that they can talk to Amiga and get a license for AmigaOS5 for about half the money (200 million dollars):-)
No, seriously it sounds interesting, will be exiting to see what they come up with...
Troels E
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Posted by Dave on 05-Jan-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Troels Ersking):
Ill find out more on Monday..
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Posted by priest on 05-Jan-2002 17:01 GMT
I want to hear Amiga Inc's comment on this.
I would like to see Amiga Inc contacting those guys.
There would be enormous funding for OS5 if they manage to strike a deal...
(btw. it must be true that Sony's left hand does not know what the right hand does, they've involved in so many things.)
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Posted by priest on 05-Jan-2002 17:04 GMT
also... I do not bother calculating how many companies are going for STB/digitalTV/digitalhome business. Every big company, I guess, and the puny Amiga.
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2002 18:08 GMT
Its impossible to do with todays technology. That last statement is for the pc side of things . Going to the AMiga shows you see and hear things like this happening all the time ,and the AMIGA is there doing it . Just ask bill . g. %^)
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Posted by smithy on 05-Jan-2002 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Troels Ersking):
Very interesting. I would have thought adopting an operating system like FreeBSD would have made more sense, or perhaps IBM could have used one its existing dozens of operating systems. However, I won't criticise Big Blue as they're a potential employer right now :)
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Posted by [JC] on 05-Jan-2002 21:06 GMT
I don't know why they're bothering... this is exactly the hole QNX was created to fill, and it does it damn well.
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Posted by badl on 05-Jan-2002 21:28 GMT
Err, weren't you just reading Slashdot about this??
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2002 00:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 ([JC]):
dont mean to flame you mate but show me where I can purchase a QNX enabled fridge/tv/etc...
I personally like the sound of this becuase this coalition is THE ONLY thing which can finally break M$.
We should support them as they will open up for markets for Amiga and also make computing fun and hobbyist again (by open sourcing) IMHO.
cheers all.
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Posted by Rodney McDonell on 06-Jan-2002 02:48 GMT
From the development of OS4, it should only take about a year and a half to get to OS5 according to the tech update and other sources. Connecting deveices is exactly what OS5 is going to be made for and with Elate being a standard for device base Operating Systems, AmigaOS5 should have a head start into this area.
"The OCPA, was established by Sharp, Kyocera, JVC and Tao Group to promote the global standardisation of Tao’s intent® media platform to enable companies to create branded and differentiated products such as smart phones, digital cameras and PDAs, capable of running premium content."
I know the devices that Amiga is talking about is mainly PDA's or cellphones, but place the DE into a washing machine or microwave or fridge shouldnt be all that different :). This is one place where Amiga can compete and if this is where the world is headed, im sure they can succeedd.
1) Tao's Elate RTOS is becoming an open standard
2) AmigaOS fully integrated with DE
3) If AmigaOS is deploid upon many Archetectures as it could be with help of the DE, Anyone with anyhardware should be able to use the AmigaOS to control their appliences, which is their strength.
4) If IBM did plan to have their OS run on many archetecturs, it would all be native and hard to port or they'd use java, which would be slow. :) So i think Amiga could compete in this area. If AmigaOS5 is delivered :).
Not a bad idea anyway :)
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 06-Jan-2002 05:42 GMT
>Users would also be able to control their home appliances via PC, and watch
>television programs and movies on their PC at any location.
Considering the amount of hacking that's been going around here, I could just see hackers having a field day with this little feature. Is there really a market demand for this? Do I need to monitor my fridge from my PC? No thanks. I love computers, but that's just silly. I don't think there's a demand for it either, it's just a pipedream from some techno-geeks who watch too much star trek. Whatever. I think AmigaDE's plan to stick to PDAs and cell phones is a much better idea. Besides, who wants to program a fridge anyways?!?
- Mike
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Posted by Kon on 06-Jan-2002 07:30 GMT
>Users would also be able to control their home appliances via PC, and watch
>television programs and movies on their PC at any location.
Hmm, I can already do this. I use a CE HPC tabletPC as the home automation pad and a PC with DTV card and some software to stream TV to my home PCs with remote control of the channel changing. Not too hard to code, all uses 802.11...
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Posted by Adam Waldenberg on 06-Jan-2002 10:14 GMT
By 2005 it will probably be to late... (If you know what I mean)
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Posted by pekr on 06-Jan-2002 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
If you can't find a signle example of QNX usage, it is so just because you probably not invested single minute to try to find some.
I receive embedded catalog from Motorola, and man, "embedded" doesn't mean PDA only - wake up ;-)
.. and you know what? QNX is No. 1 there! Just look at their website and aliances they have ...
Cheers,
-pekr-
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2002 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (pekr):
:( ... I've been using QNX since 1998 so please dont make wild accusations.
What I was trying to say (last night whilst tired) was that I would love to deck out my new house with lots of home automation stuff but the products just dont seem to be out there.
Alliances are one thing. Real products in your High St are another.
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2002 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (pekr):
>I receive embedded catalog from Motorola, and man, "embedded" doesn't mean PDA >only - wake up ;-)
I dont think a single Computer literate person in the world thinks this - surely YOU didn't?! ;-)
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Posted by amigammc on 06-Jan-2002 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mike Veroukis):
>Is there really a market demand for this? Do I need to monitor my fridge
>from my PC? No thanks. I love computers, but that's just silly
You don't see the big picture
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Posted by amigammc on 06-Jan-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mike Veroukis):
>I think AmigaDE's plan to stick to PDAs and cell phones is a much better idea
That is not their plan, I don't know where you got that idea, everywhere in the website says the opposite
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Posted by priest on 06-Jan-2002 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (amigammc):
I agree, Amiga DE/Inc is not just about PDAs & stuff: http://www.amiga.com/feature/about_amiga/
(I wish they finally start to update their pages...)
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Posted by Davey_Pitch on 07-Jan-2002 07:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (smithy):
Smithy, well that would be interesting to see you work for IBM. If you do, drop me an email. It would be good to revitalise Amiga usage and advocacy within the company.
BSD doesnt really have what it takes, its not built to serve media content. Im going on little more information than you have here but I believe the idea is to make a tightly coupled hardware/software package. Sony has a great foothold in the low end consumer market and IBM has the technical expertise and a whole raft of patents in this area.
I personally would love to see Amiga being part of this deal but they arent big enough and do not have the brand penetration yet.
Cheers,
Dave Pitcher.
* NOT REPRESENTING VIEWS OF EMPLOYER *
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Posted by smithy on 07-Jan-2002 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Davey_Pitch):
I haven't even applied yet - I am graduating in June so I'm about to start mass-job-applying!
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Jan-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (smithy):
Well, good luck!
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Posted by pr on 07-Jan-2002 15:46 GMT
Sony created a really un-user-friendly API for the PS2- I hope they do a better job with their OS...although I kinda doubt it with the attitude they have.
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Posted by Dave on 07-Jan-2002 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (pr):
When they get big on the back of a success two things happen:
1) They bite off more than they can chew and run into issues.
2) The media wants to take them down.
They did a great job on PS1, they did a GOOD job on PS2. It has become fashionable to bash Sony, its an excellent system for the money - way exceeds the Amigas potential price point vs value.
Im sure they will do a good job on the OS, if you have issues with them sign up with their beta program and submit constructive criticism.
Dave.
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Posted by smithy on 07-Jan-2002 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (pr):
>Sony created a really un-user-friendly API for the PS2
I have heard about this before. I attended a presentation by a large, well-known games publisher who said exactly that, and it was that reason they'd be publishing more X-Box games than PS2 games.
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Posted by smithy on 07-Jan-2002 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
That's nice of you, thank you!! :)
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Posted by Ed Dana on 07-Jan-2002 22:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
> I personally like the sound of this becuase this coalition is THE
> ONLY thing which can finally break M$.
Agreed completely! This is the best computer related news I've heard
in a while. :)
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According to the sources, the firms intend
to make the source code of the finished OS available to other
companies in an attempt to make it the global standard of the
anticipated high-speed Internet age.
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Very excellent indeed. :)
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Posted by david lowenstein on 08-Jan-2002 01:52 GMT
hope sony can kick Steve Jobs' A**... Now we need the hardware....!
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Posted by david on 08-Jan-2002 01:59 GMT
Sony kicks Apple's butt in 2005! Now that would be nice... : )
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Posted by Sam Dunham on 08-Jan-2002 08:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (pr):
Actually, I like Sony's approach for the PS2 better than M$'s for the X-Box. Sony didn't create a lot of programming layers and pretty much let the programmers bang the hardware. This will make for better games once the developers get the hang of the system (it's already happening, Gran Turismo 3, Metal Gear Solid 2, Ace Combat 4, etc... look absolutely amazing). I think that developers will be able to squeeze more out of the PS2 than the X-Box over time. I've played a few X-Box games, and while they look great (if not a little on the antiseptic side), I've yet to find one that is actually fun to play. Oh, and the Linux port for the PS2 is headed stateside. :)
-Sam
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Posted by PaulT on 08-Jan-2002 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mike Veroukis):
OK, let's put the appliance picture another way. No, you don't NEED to control your computer over the Internet, and generally you don't want someone else to control it either. We agree there.
However, what if connectivity (there are mini-controllers with built-in TCP/IP stacks for a couple of dollars U.S.) means that there are no expensive manual controls on the refrigerator? Say that you have a choice between two refrigerators, otherwise equal in performance. One is "standard". The other has, perhaps, an emergency OFF button and no other controls, just a power cord (mains lead to you U.K.'rs :) and a Cat 5 plug. It comes with a cord to plug into your nearby network outlet. (Or it has no Cat 5 plug, it just uses power-line networking, or Bluetooth wireless, you name it.) It has a CDROM with the software that pops up on any PC, Mac, or PDA.
Now the kicker. It costs US$50 less than the other unit because of the manufacturing savings. NOW do you need a network-enabled refrigerator? That is the sort of potential.
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