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Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 1 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 25-Feb-2002 18:09 GMT
Will it really happen? After all those years of dissapointment?
I've got my cash ready. All the best to Hyperion for the last difficult moments.
I hope it will happen. We deserve it!
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 2 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 25-Feb-2002 18:36 GMT
Boy this is good news!!! I have a chubby!!!
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 3 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Feb-2002 18:39 GMT
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Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 4 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Feb-2002 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
>
> As far as I know, there won't be any on the Show site as none us knew
about
> the new arrival until Alan arrived at the venue and, following that, none
of us
> had any time to take any pictures!
>
> I would imagine these will appear on Eyetech's site once Alan has
recovered
> from snow blindness / tiredness!
>
First of all thanks to everyone on this list for their patience. We have
been working very hard to get something demonstrably working rather than
just announcing more promises. Ideally on Friday we would have announced
that the A1 was going to be at the show, but at that point the board was
locked up in British customs. We didnt pick it up from UPS's Durham depot
(120 miles from the show) until 7:30 saturday morning and had no idea
whether it had survived the journey from the other side of the world until
we configured it at the show and switched it on.
Secondly, Fleecy and I were plannning to sit down and make sure that we
issued a jointly acceptable, coordinated, news release on the A1. But he got
snowed in in Cumbria, so we cant now do that until later in the week. Expect
a major web site update on both our and Amiga's sites next Monday.
But in the meantime I'm going to repeat here some of the things I said at
Alt-Woa as some of the 'authoritative' postings on this list (& ann) have
been off in the realms of fantasy and bear little if any relationship to
what I actually said.
But first a bit of of background.
Yes I do read this list and try to filter out and take note of what is said
(apart of course from the rude postings). The main feedback that has come
out over the last year can, I think, be summarised as follows:
CPU speed concerns
Memory speed concerns
Provision of legacy peripherals (FDD/Serial/Parallel/kb/mouse)
Provision of integrated peripherals
AGP speed
Will it run Linux?
But I dont have/want/will never buy an A1200
Will it fit in in an EZTower mk1-5/RBM/xyz tower?
It costs too much (interesting this one as the price has never been
announced)
and, of course
Where is it?
In October 2000 when we laid out the design for the A1, there was no
commercially available 'northbridge' chip (the interface between the CPU,
memory and PCI bus) at the relatively small quantities that we needed at an
economic price. 'Southbridge' chips were available (these handle the system
timing, interrupts etc and, traditionally also embed the lower speed
peripheral functions such as IDE, USB etc), but clearly these do not come
with a built in A1200-PCI bridge - which would have to be built in custom
logic. It therefore made economic sense to build a custom southbridge chip -
but without the integrated peripherals (these were available on separate
chips at low cost anyway) which incorporated the A1200-PCI bridge. Things
were going nicely until May/June . . . . and you know the rest, or most of
it anyway.
By the time OS4 development had been signed off in early November the world
had moved on. Commercially available PPC northbridge chips were available,
and coupled with off-the-shelf southbridge chips, were able to deliver
better price performance than the original A1 custom chip design, and (since
the big boys had already been using them successfully) without the risk of
bugs intrinsically present in any custom logic implementation. This meant
that the only custom logic function needed was the PCI to A1200 bridge.
Alongside this many people had expressed a wish only to have a stand-alone
A1 board, without the need (or ability) to run hardware-hitting
applications. In addition Hyperion have been making better than expected
progress in decoupling the chipset dependancies in the OS with a result that
it will cease to be reliant on the Amiga chipset quite soon now. (Of course
hardware hitting applications will still to a greater or lesser degree need
access to a genuine Amiga chipset). Given this, we thought it would be
sensible to try to provide Amiga chipset availability as an a option, so
that the main A1 board would not have to carry the cost of providing this
connection - in terms of PCB and component real-estate and in requiring a
custom tower to mount it in. The upshot is that Escena has come up with a
solution which allows the bridge to the A1200 chipset to be made from a PCI
card, via ribbon cable, to the A1200 edge connector. The use of a ribbon
cable also solves the 'will it work in an xyz tower' problem, as there is
(within limits) quite a wide range of A1 & A1200 relative board positioning
that can be used. Theis A1200 bridge will be an additional cost item for
those who need it.
So with Escena concentrating their efforts on the bridge card, and us
deciding to use off-the-shelf north and south bridge parts for the main
board it made sense to subcontract the design and manufacture to experts in
this field, who, surprise, surprise, are far east based (hence the problem
with customs on Friday). The board (currently) runs an open
firmware-compatible bios and runs PPC linux (which is how we know that the
hardware works properly before OS4.0 is released).
In terms of timeframes the board is now ready to go into production, with a
lead time of 4-6 weeks. However we will not press the button until we can be
sure that OS4 will be ready to run on the board in the same timeframe. OS4
is scheduled to go into beta during March, and we will make A1 boards
available to help with this process. When we get the thumbs up from Hyperion
we will start production and they will be with your local dealer around 6
weeks later.
In terms of specification the entry level board will run a 600MHz G3 CPU and
will come with this soldered in place, thereby keeping the costs as low as
possible. After the first production run we will be producing boards -
obviously at a higher cost - with a cpu carrier so that cpu's can easily be
interchanged to suit your speed and pocket requirements. As G4's fall in
price we may also offer a soldered in place G4 cpu option as well. What
happens if you buy an entry level board and want to upgrade it in a year or
so's time? Well exactly the same as when you bought a similarly priced
accelerator a couple of years back and want to upgrade to a faster one. You
either sell it privately or trade it in to the dealer where you purchased
it. In fact in the PC market, depite all processors being socketed, hardly
anyone ever changes the cpu to improve the computer - they nearly always
have to buy a (at least) a new motherboard as well. We're just being upfront
about it!
So lets revisit that feedback list again:
CPU speed concerns -- G3/G4 to their current clocking limits
Memory speed concerns -- 133MHz FSB (DDR doesn't help PPC's I am told)
Provision of legacy peripherals (FDD/Serial/Parallel/kb/mouse) - On board
Provision of integrated peripherals - 2xUSB (motherboard) + 2 more on
headers; LAN; AC97; MC97; UDMA100
AGP speed - 2x (although this is still a red herring in my view)
Will it run Linux? - Yes
But I dont have/want/will never buy an A1200 - Fine by me
Will it fit in in an EZTower mk1-5/RBM/xyz tower? - Yes (subject to xyz
definition - not sure about wooden towers)
It costs too much (interesting this one as the price has never been
announced) - A1 including 600MHz G3 cpu at current component prices and
exchange rates GBP 350/USD500/Euro 600 excluding local taxes and shipping.
And before anyone (who probably has no notion of real manufacturing and
development costs) pipes up that they can buy a xzzz PC motherboard for
$2.49 from Walmart remember this is for a board being manufactured in the
(very?) low thousands, not by the million. (And don't forget that a 240MHz
603 ppc blizzard with 060 cost around ukp550 ex tax when they were last
available - those were the days ;-) )
Where is it? - In my office running Turbo Linux at the moment. In your
dealer as soon as OS4 is ready.
More on the website next week
Thanks for your patience
Alan
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 5 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 25-Feb-2002 19:06 GMT
Please Alan if you read this please put online some pics of it! :)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 6 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 25-Feb-2002 19:44 GMT
Whatever hardware (A1, pegasos,...), i hope the best OS ever will shine and fly on PPC. It deserves a comeback on PPC. Because it was so stylish, so smooth.
Maybe it will not be perfect in OS4.0 yet, but it's a matter of time.
Amiga OS on PPC, with modern hardware. Yep, i hope it will come true now.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 7 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Forsberg on 25-Feb-2002 19:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
This is all super+great, BUT...
AmigaOS4 was supposed to be developed FOR the A1! And it's only now being released in beta! I guess there will be a scramble trying to fit AOS4 around the A1, which will lead to a ton of bugs, in turn leading to a load of Boing Bags being released...
:-)(? (Simultaniously happy, sad and confused)
Johan
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 8 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 25-Feb-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Johan Forsberg):
I hope they release a bundled version with PCI (slightly discounted). Many of us don't have the funds to buy a PCI card and the Amiga One, and it seems that it will be awhile before the OS emulates the custom chips with the same sucess.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 9 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Feb-2002 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
Many thanks, sounds really good :-)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 10 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 25-Feb-2002 20:36 GMT
This really is good news. I hope all the hard work and public feuding will be worth it in the end. I can't say for sure I'll buy one, but I am excited about it. I hope the future is bright and the market makes a recovery. If it does it'll be a first in the computer market for a platform to die and then ressurect itself. Amiga should be renamed Lazarus or Pheonix or something... :)
Back for the future!
- Mike
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 11 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 25-Feb-2002 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Mike Veroukis):
You may not buy one?!?!? I didn't think I'd hear many people saying that:-) The price
should be in line with, or cheaper than Macs.. just think of it really really hard..
You'll buy one ;-)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 12 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 25-Feb-2002 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (redrumloa):
>You may not buy one?!?!? I didn't think I'd hear many people saying that:-)
>The price should be in line with, or cheaper than Macs.. just think of it
>really really hard..
>You'll buy one ;-)
Hey, I got a better idea: Why don't you buy me one! :) Infact get me two so I can setup a little network of AmigaOne's. If you could throw in an old A1200 motherboard that would be real sweat.
Unfortuntaly the Canadian dollar is really useless right now so in Canadian money that $500Us will be something like $800Cdn. That's a bit more then I'd like to spend right now. If it sells well I'm sure the price will drop real quickly. If I do get one it probably will be from the second run with the socketed CPUs. It's a tough call really... If I buy the AmigaOne I won't be buying those Klipsh speakers for my home theater.... :(
- Mike
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 13 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Paul on 25-Feb-2002 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Mike Veroukis):
Yeah, try the Austrailan dollar, that thing's going to cost me $978 AUD ;)
- Paul
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 14 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 25-Feb-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (redrumloa):
Cost in CDN dollars aside, I'd buy one today if I could. For all intents and purposes I've got enough parts to put together a machine other than a case (which are dirt cheap compared to the full tower my A3000 is in). This is the best news in a long time and I'm very excited. I even support selling it before OS 4.0 is ready and ship it with LinuxPPC.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 15 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 25-Feb-2002 22:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Adam Kowalczyk):
>This is the best news in a long time and I'm very excited. I even support
>selling it before OS 4.0 is ready and ship it with LinuxPPC.
Speaking of which... How good is LinuxPPC? Is it as good as the x86 version? Does it have all the same support for drivers and such? Does Red Hat support it? And of course, the big question... Would there be any issues of dual booting between LinuxPPC and AmigaOS4.0??? I'd probably prefer Linux for web browsing (until there's a viable web browser for the AmigaOS).
As for cost... I suppose I could sell the old A4000 and put the cash towards an AOne. We'll see.
- Mike
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 16 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Feb-2002 22:29 GMT
pictuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuureesssssssssssssss please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 17 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 25-Feb-2002 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Mike Veroukis):
I personally like the YDL 2.1 LinuxPPC which has very recent packages. I've run OpenOffice on my CSPPC which was a bit sluggish, but would run decent enough on a G3. With LinuxPPC being run on PowerMacs, the driver support seems pretty good. What ever is available in open source is usually easy to make work on either platform. When I get my system, I'll have a need for dual booting as I've always liked Linux.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 18 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Solar on 26-Feb-2002 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Mike Veroukis):
> How good is LinuxPPC? Is it as good as the x86 version?
Out of the box, yes. Software support, no.
> Does it have all the same support for drivers and such?
Should have, basically. But applications require to be ported - that "just recompile" is, sadly, a myth under Linux. (It only works *after* the port has been done.)
> Does Red Hat support it?
SuSE does, not sure about RedHat.
> And of course, the big question... Would there be any issues of dual
> booting between LinuxPPC and AmigaOS4.0??? I'd probably prefer Linux
> for web browsing (until there's a viable web browser for the AmigaOS).
Technically, shouldn't. But didn't you hear Hyperion? Dual booting is EVIL! Oh, wait, that was dual booting on the x86 where they would loose their potential market... that should tell you something about software support on LinuxPPC...
:-/
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 19 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Sotiris Papageorgiou on 26-Feb-2002 08:03 GMT
Well i will buy one too,but i will not judge noone who isn`t going to buy one for any reason!I think that when THe OnE will be released we will see some shift in games sales and i think hyperion is one to benefit so guys do as a favor and make a good OS 4 and all the remaing retailers get ready!
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 20 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 26-Feb-2002 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Paul):
Well. 350UKP was about 3400 FIM. it Looks better now when we have euro in Finland too :) Ofcourse you should not let those EUR/FIM numbers fool you :)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 21 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 26-Feb-2002 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
I mean everything looks so much cheaper now :) I wish that would be true :)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 22 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Jules on 26-Feb-2002 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Mike Veroukis):
> As for cost... I suppose I could sell the old A4000 and put the cash towards an AOne. We'll see.
Alternatively, buy a SharkPPC+ with a Mediator and couple it to your A4k. I've looked at the announcement and I now can't see too much of a difference between the Mediator and A1 approaches. Of course there will be electronic/chip and layout differences, but both solutions are now approaching the problem in the same way as far as I can see. It appears as though the notion of connecting the A1 to an Amiga via the current PPC accelerator expansion port has been dropped. This means that the A1 approach is virtually identical to that of the Mediator & Shark PPC+ combo. Both now will incorporate custom PCI to Amiga logic, for the A1200 both now via the accelerator edge connector, and both are really standalone computers (provided the software is there), both using the Amiga as a legacy board only.
Well, that's my take on it. Now to be proved wrong.......... :-)
Rgds
Jules
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 23 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 26-Feb-2002 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
>Well. 350UKP was about 3400 FIM. it Looks better now when we have euro...
Think about the CSPPC, last time it was avalable it was priced around 6000FIM. And BPPC around 4500 FIM (IIRC).
With the A1 (or pegasos) you get also all those new PCI/AGP/UDMA/USB/etc.. options, outrageous for a diehard Amiga fan and great for people that are looking for comeback opportunity. They are products that one dears to recommend, rather than second hand and ten years old classic machines. They are even HW that can be used professionally for some evaluation purposes when building embedded PPC systems (I bet they are also cheaper than those engineering boards from IBM/Moto and far more openly documented than apple HW).
(but x86 peeps could not care less, I think)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 24 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Feb-2002 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
What can I say? It would be 200,000 Drachmas and with the Euro, it's
something less that 600:)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 25 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 26-Feb-2002 11:54 GMT
"Provision of integrated peripherals - 2xUSB (motherboard) + 2 more on
headers; LAN; AC97; MC97; UDMA100 "
So it is 2XUSB plus 2 more headers on mb. NOT USB 2.0 as others were saying. That is very different. Still good, but different. I do wish the AGP were 4X, but I'm glad it is included standard now, even on this "low end" board.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 26 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by xchristofferx on 26-Feb-2002 13:06 GMT
Yeah baby!! I guess I'll have to wait for the more "expandable" version, without the soldered CPU, but who cares. Kick up the pace on OS4 Hyperion!! :D
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 27 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by J4yDubs on 26-Feb-2002 13:20 GMT
Just remember that this price is only for the motherboard. For those thinking it's cheaper than an iMac, no, not really.
Things to add:
Case/Power Supply
Video Card
Harddrive(s)
Memory(?)
CD Rom/RW
Keyboard/Mouse/Joystick
Monitor
Optional/Toys:
SCSI Card
Floppy Drive
DVD Rom/RW
Sound Card (upgrade from built-in sound)
TV Card (can also be included in video card)
Firewire card
Etc...
Hopefully, you have alot of these things already and won't need to purchase them. I know I could easily build one with my spare parts. At $500USD the price isn't to bad as long as you don't compare it with the X86 world (which you shouldn't). I hope they have USA dealers...
J4yDubs
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 28 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 26-Feb-2002 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (J4yDubs):
>Just remember that this price is only for the motherboard. For those thinking >it's cheaper than an iMac, no, not really.
The 600MHz G3 iMac in the Dutch Apple Store is 1426 euro incl VAT.
If the bare A1 Motherboard will sell for 600 euro, the differance is 826 euro.
For the differance I can buy a 17inch and 512MB ram.
And you got the expandability with the PCI and AGP slots.
Check your calculations.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 29 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 26-Feb-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (J4yDubs):
The A1 price is actually rather good for a PPC system.
I find a complete system to be a bit cheaper compared to an Imac G3/600mhz, it just lacks firewire, but with a better gfx card and more expandability.
A1 has to become a favourite of the LinuxPPC people..
Regards
Troels Ersking
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 30 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Feb-2002 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Troels Ersking):
>A1 has to become a favourite of the LinuxPPC people..
>
Or the Pegasos, of course!
Still waiting for updated CPU/pricing info on that one...
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 31 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 26-Feb-2002 15:02 GMT
Just got a trendy new case in ready for A1,(Fox.. @Ebuyer.com) shame they didnt do it in a full tower, coulda done with an extra 2 bays min. Got 100Gb, 7200 drive on order too (might as well have plenty of room to "swim in") Hmm .O/s 5Gb .. programs ..35Gb .. Data 60Gb. yeah that'll do nicely to begin with.
You wanna see the side panels on this case ... they're about an inch thick !!
Check out this site for some WELL trendy stuff ... http://www.lovermecases.com/
Love those red exhaust fans. Ooops .. see em @ .. http://www.pcmods.com/details.asp?ProdID=322 .. Well, We GOTTA have the trendiest machines going aint we!!
Paul ... Peterborough ..uk
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 32 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Feb-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (bennymee):
> The 600MHz G3 iMac in the Dutch Apple Store is 1426 euro incl VAT.
> If the bare A1 Motherboard will sell for 600 euro,
> the differance is 826 euro.
I don't want to start a pricing war here. I actually like the pricing of the A1. But since you asked me to confirm my numbers, here goes.
http://store.apple.com/ iMac 600Mhz - $999 (500Mhz is $799)
Similarly speced A-One: I used Mwave.com as a reference for pricing.
Motherboard - 600 Mhz $500
Case/Power Supply - $45
Video Card - $120
Harddrive(s) - 40 GB $100
Memory - 256Meg PC133 - $90
CD RW - $120
Keyboard/Mouse/Joystick - $30
Monitor - 15" $130
Total$1135
Some of the prices are low, some are high. I tried to pick an average. All prices are USD. No need to nickpick my pricing. I'm just showing you my calculations. Expandability is definately a big plus in favor of the A1.
J4yDubs
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 33 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 26-Feb-2002 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
> Total$1135
It'll be less than that. I've just bought a new CDRW drive so I don't need another one. I do need a bigger HD but some people won't. Already got a monitor too. I could still use my old case but I might not want too.
$1135 - ($45 + $100 + $120 +$130)$740
In my dreams.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 34 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 26-Feb-2002 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Rik Sweeney):
> No need to nickpick my pricing.
Whoops. Didn't read that line, sorry ;)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 35 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Feb-2002 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
>http://store.apple.com/ iMac 600Mhz - $999
>
You don't have to pay _any_ tax? Here it would be 1210USD atm (converted from EUR).
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 36 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 26-Feb-2002 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (J4yDubs):
Well lets see. I just checked MAC prices here in capital-area of Finland. iMAC with G3 600Mhz seems to cost about 1470 EUR. Even if you think that AmigaOne motherboard would cost about 700 EUR, including VAT and shipping. Then iMAC is still about 770EUR more expensive than Amigaone motherboard. You will get HUGE heap of hardware with that 770EUR.
iMAC has specs like this:
- Power PC G3 @ 600MHz
- 256MB RAM
- 40GB HD
- CD-RW
- Internal 15" monitor
- ATI RAGE 128 Ultra 16Mt SDRAM
- 10/100Base-T Ethernet
- 56Kbps data/fax modem
- 2x FireWire -liitäntä (400Mbps)
- 2x USB -liitäntä (12Mbps)
- Apple Pro keyboard and mouse
Now lets see cheapest component prices here in capital-area of Finland (There is one page which I can use as a source)
- Power PC G3 @ 600MHz is in Amigaone motherboard
- 256 MB, 133 MHz SDRAM - 83EUR
- Maxtor DiamondMax 40 Gt - 109EUR
- LG 16x/10x/40x IDE CD-RW GCE-8160B - 105EUR
- Samsung SyncMaster 551S 15" - 169EUR
- ATI Rage Pro 128 MAXX 32 Mt AGP - 40EUR
- NIC is in AmigaOne motherboard.
- 56k modem AMR - 10EUR
- AmigaOne does not have firewire.
- 2xUSB is in AmigaOne motherboard + 2 more in headers
- Logitech Cordless Desktop (mouse+keyboard) - 63EUR
- ATX Miditower + PSU - 37EUR
Total amount is 616EUR. So AmigaOne will be with atleast 154EUR cheaper than iMAC.
(770-616=154)
Note that I used new componnts. If you choose different components or use
secondhand componts the price might be even lower.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 37 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 26-Feb-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
>Some of the prices are low, some are high. I tried to pick an average. All >prices are USD. No need to nickpick my pricing. I'm just showing you my >calculations. Expandability is definately a big plus in favor of the A1.
>J4yDubs
You forget TAX.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 38 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 26-Feb-2002 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
I know that you can build Amigaone cheaper if you choose different comppnents, but as you can see i tryed to select atleast abit similar components as there is in iMAC.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 39 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 26-Feb-2002 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
I can do a (better and) cheaper configuration with the A1 board than I could get with the Imac, so for a PPC system the price is pretty good;-)
Welll actually dealers that will sell the A1 preconfigured, should be able to do it even cheaper than when you buy parts yourself.
They don't have to earn money on all components, they just need a decent share on the entire system. So (at least in theory) it could very well be quite a bit cheaper than the Imac for a complete system.
Looking forward to get one;-)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 40 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 26-Feb-2002 17:29 GMT
Finally. :) I have to admit I was expecting $500 for just the motherboard,
so a 600MHz G3 included is good. My first thought was "I want a socketed
version," but really, 600MHz is faster than I was going to buy for the
"original" AmigaOne anyway, so wot the 'eck. The 300MHz G3 I'm using at
this moment is actually fast enough for the most part, or it would be if it
wasn't running MacOS8.6.
Only thing is, I'd say "Start production right now." There's some market
for LinuxPPC machines that aren't Macs; no need to hold things up because
of AmigaOS4. That way the AmigaOne will be available for AmigaOS the
instant Hyperion finishes. I'm not terribly interested in Linux, but I'd
buy an AmigaOne right now anyway if I could, just to play around with while
waiting for the "real" OS.... (My current Amiga is getting flakey; it only
runs stable with 68K apps, PPC apps always crash now after some minutes.)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 41 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 26-Feb-2002 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (ehaines):
I know that feeling ... My A1200 Rev 1A has been feeling poorly all week ( first time since inception - 1992) and I think its given up the ghost... So .. Either it (the a1200) knows that the new machine is finally here and is dutifully "Standing down the bombers"!! or its coincidence.
Been a little Gem though and my business would never have got where it is today without it. (Would have been an A4000 but ER indoors wanted the house double glazing so made a compromise)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 42 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Frank Gutschow on 26-Feb-2002 19:01 GMT
I´m for an 800 Mhz G4, not for a G3/600 as the standardprocessor
of the A1. Why should the Amiga getting outdated components in
opposite of the concurrence, when it don´t must be. Apple also have no
more G3-Computers in their productline.
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 43 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 26-Feb-2002 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Frank Gutschow):
And theres the clue .... Apple dont need em anymore so suddenly we can source them !! ...... Until a time when Amiga is as big/powerful as Apple, Motorola will always supply processors to Apple first... :+[
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 44 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 26-Feb-2002 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (The_Editor):
The PPC is from IBM, not Motorola;-)
But I also fear that availability of the G4 could cause trouble... Hope Eyetech can get their share..
Regards
Troels E
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 45 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 26-Feb-2002 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Troels Ersking):
I sit corrected ... Same thing though !!
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 46 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by J4yDubs on 26-Feb-2002 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (bennymee):
> You forget TAX.
I'm not sure what the tax would be. Usually, there is no tax on an Internet purchase unless the place you buy from has a store local (in your state?) to you. I don't have an Apple store near me, so there shouldn't be any tax. In any case, I'd have to pay tax on the A1 motherboard and components as well (if I have to pay tax), so it should even out.
Mika, those are some great prices. I'm glad you have a good source for PC Hardware.
Rik, it's going to be $500 (plus tax) for me. ;) I have a spare x86 box that has all the components needed. Just swap out the motherboard. Now I just need a US dealer…
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 47 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Feb-2002 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Frank Gutschow):
Maybe we should start a petition, Frank? :)
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 48 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Feb-2002 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (The_Editor):
>And theres the clue .... Apple dont need em anymore so suddenly we can source
>them !! ...... Until a time when Amiga is as big/powerful as Apple, Motorola
>will always supply processors to Apple first... :+[
>
You are wrong - there are several speedgrades Apple is not using, so they should
be freely available. Check out the Motorola product pages!
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 49 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 27-Feb-2002 00:58 GMT
Jep, we should start a petition :/
Eyetech posted more AmigaOne information on the AmigOne ML : Comment 50 of 56ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Feb-2002 01:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Frank Gutschow):
They still have G3 iBooks, and they still sell a cheap G3 'original' iMac.
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