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[News] Amigaone has the Mentor ARC ARTICIA S chipset: is it a TERON CX board ?ANN.lu
Posted on 27-Feb-2002 15:17 GMT by Christophe Decanini76 comments
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If you look at the pitures of the AmigaOne you can see the brand/model of the NorthBridge. Here is a link that give you more information about it. I like particularly this article that says Pentium 3, Pentium 4 performance at half the price. The Amigaone look to be exactely a Teron CX. Lets just hope that YOU guys order enough AmigaOne to get lower and lower prices. I guess Bplan used the Articia S to build the Pegasos.
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Posted by shIva on 27-Feb-2002 14:23 GMT
... this wouldn´t be the first time, see shark ppc ...
regards
shIva
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Posted by anonymous on 27-Feb-2002 14:29 GMT
>Articia chipset.
Are you sure? Eyetech said that the new AMIGA ONE use ESCENA chipset, not Articia. Also the other AMIGA ONE form EYETECH use 100 MHz Front side bus, not 133 MHz. Any idea about PowerPC motherboards based on Tundra Chipset?
Perhaps Articia is used on BPLAN's PEGASOS / Merlancia products, not EYETECH.
http://www.bplan-gmbh.de
http://www.merlancia.com
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Feb-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (anonymous):
No eytech said the new A1 is going to be made in the far east. AFAIK escena is only doing the A1200-pci interface.
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Posted by priest on 27-Feb-2002 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (anonymous):
>Eyetech said that the new AMIGA ONE use ESCENA chipset, not Articia.
That's history. Things have changed.
>Also the other AMIGA ONE form EYETECH use 100 MHz Front side bus, not 133 MHz.
Things have changed.
Check this out: http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1014663844&category=news&56
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Posted by ko on 27-Feb-2002 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (priest):
but what about price? that CX board looks pret-ty expensive, especially compared to the proposed price for the A-O from altWOA this past weekend. The CX board looks to be more expensive than even a full-fledged A-O that has a socketable chip?
kevin
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Posted by priest on 27-Feb-2002 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (ko):
Alan said that it's £350 (IIRC).
Perhaps it's because of bigger order than just a few motherboard with embedded R&D tools & support service.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Feb-2002 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (ko):
The price on the MAI website is for developper boards (single unit).
Eyetech will order a big number of boards at once. So the price will go down.
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Feb-2002 14:50 GMT
Wo says Eyetech bought design which was already ready before they contacted that company ? What Alan sayd sounlds like the just made a contract with some eastern comany which has experience about thiskind of project. it sounds to me like Eyetech just asked those guys to make a design for the amigaone. And usually if you design many boards with more or less same features then the resilt will be that all boards will be more or less similar.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 27-Feb-2002 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (ko):
MAI's listed price is for an evaluation board. I.E. you buy one board. It's to discourage QTY 1 buying. MAI would probably rather have somebody call up and say "Hi, I'd like to have <insert large quantity here> boards delivered to <favourite PC assembler here> every <insert time period>." The high price tag makes sense if you're a company like Eytech, or someone interested in testing it out with the plans to sell many more. Hence the term evaluation board. Undoubtedly, Eyetech has an NDA and cannot disclose the company that built the board or they have future plans to build a board around the MAI chipset when the economics make sense. Frankly, I feel it will be hard to compete with a board made in the Far East from a cost point of view. Finally, some real competition for DCE.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 27-Feb-2002 14:57 GMT
Hmm I have to admit it sure looks like the same board as teron CX. Maybe some small differences, I'm not sure. But it looks like same board.
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Posted by redrumloa on 27-Feb-2002 15:07 GMT
Personally I thought Eyetech made it very clear that this is an 'off the shelf' MB overall. Sounds good to me!
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 27-Feb-2002 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
The similarities are uncanny. Even the silk screen on the board is the same. Why would the same design be build in two locations when at this stage of the game open PPC boards are non-existant? I do not question that ESCENA designed and built a PCI interface for an A1200. MAI surely would have no interest or experience in doing this. I'm not sure why this is even needed any more. This new AmigaOne will mean people can "retire" their old hardware on to another generation of Amiga hobbyists. I know it's going to be hard to not have the urge to plug something into your A4000 and A1200 because that's the way it's been for the last 10 years. Maybe an organization needs to be started, like "Amiga Expansion Addicts Anonymous". It could be run by the same group of people who just recently retired their VIC-20's.
There is no shame in the AmigaOne not being a design out of Eyetech. Eyetech is still going to be responsible for the integration and reselling of the machine which is someting I'm sure MAI doesn't do. MAI makes a chipset and they had to make a PPC board to sell their chipsets. When other companies see that their good at making chipsets and can use them in a reference design, you might see others making boards. The MAI boards are the solution to a problem that literally fell from the sky. I doubt they even knew that a market for their boards existed for Amiga users waiting patiently for new hardware. It's a fact of life. It's called outsourcing. Even Apple has some if not all of their boards made by Flextronics. I cannot recall which cell phone maker handed over the manufacturing responsibility to Flextronics as well. It's the way of the world and it's a good thing as it allows the company's to concentrate on their core strengths.
Do you think Apple executives care where the new iMac is made or who makes it? Flextronics makes that as well. The only thing about it that's Apple is it's design. It's kind of like a Volkswagen in North America. The only thing German about Jetta's and Beetles is the design as they come out of factories in Mexico and other parts of South America. Do you think Microsoft makes the Xbox? I believe the Xbox is built by Flextronics in Hungary.
I apologize for the rant, but I just cannot understand why who made the board or where the board was made is such a big issue. Frankly, I'm happy it's not DCE as the many examples of failed CSPPC's makes many question their quality. I cannot emphasize enough how good of a business decision it is to take advantage of something that exists and works! Don't reinvent the wheel, when someone already designed it and can sell you them in the quantities you want. Yes, you lose some control, but offload a good portion of responsibility.
Adam
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Posted by Seehund on 27-Feb-2002 15:15 GMT
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1014793329&category=unmoderated&number=14
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Posted by Radfoo on 27-Feb-2002 15:17 GMT
Yep, its got to be the same board, thats why they got Linux running on it so quickly. I dont mind as long as it runs OS4 though!
I do not see how it will fit in my Eyetech Z4 tower as it needs a hole for the ports at the back. I hope Eyetech can provide a new rear panel for my case, I dont want to hack it up myself.
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Feb-2002 15:18 GMT
So they are the same. Whats stopping me buying a few thousand and selling my own OS4 compatible machines?
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Posted by redrumloa on 27-Feb-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
You have the money to buy a few thousand boards?
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Posted by Seehund on 27-Feb-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christophe Decanini):
> The price on the MAI website is for developper boards (single unit).
And it's most probably in TAIWANESE DOLLARS! I.e., it's 79 GBP (compared to Eyetechs 350 GBP...).
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 27-Feb-2002 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
> Whats stopping me buying a few thousand and selling my own OS4 compatible
> machines?
Nothing, except that it is such a good idea that I'm going to do it myself. And, to prevent you complaining that I stole your idea I'm now going to have to kill you and everyone who's read or posted to this list.
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Feb-2002 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (redrumloa):
er. . . no, but do you see my point. Another company of Eyetech's size could bring out an OS4 PPC moterboard without paying for all the OS and AmigaOne names n stuff!? (maybe)
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Posted by priest on 27-Feb-2002 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>it sounds to me like Eyetech just asked those guys to make a design for the amigaone
After checking motherboard specs, I really hope you are right, because the southbridge needs to be replaced, DMA66 IDE would not be nice...
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Posted by Ben on 27-Feb-2002 15:33 GMT
From their website (remember other parts/assembly required!):
Price and Availability
Articia S chipset is available now.
With an order volume of 10,000, the unit price of Articia S chipset is US$30.
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Posted by priest on 27-Feb-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (priest):
More proof for myself, Alan said something like this:
> 2xUSB (motherboard) + 2 more on headers; LAN; AC97; MC97; UDMA100
So it is not exactly the same motherboard, I think and hope.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Feb-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
Just a new revision ?
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 27-Feb-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
It's not the MAI, like the SharkPPC is not the Sonnet 7200. I'm starting to wonder if MAI did the Crescendo 7200 as they sell a PCI card too. It's totally possible that MAI has a lot of flexibility in it's design and manufacturing capability.
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Posted by justin on 27-Feb-2002 15:48 GMT
The two boards sure look alot like each other, and the AmigaOne uses the Articia S Chipset, as you can clearly see on the pictures. But there's a difference: The Teron Cx hasn't got onboard sound. That would explain the slight differences in layout between the two.
Justin
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 27-Feb-2002 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (justin):
Or a new revsion and slightly out of date information on the web. Or possibly some people will get the non-sound option so they can put in the sound card of their choice.
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 27-Feb-2002 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (priest):
"After checking motherboard specs, I really hope you are right, because the southbridge needs to be replaced, DMA66 IDE would not be nice..."
Well, i made out the southbridge to be a Via VT82C686A chip, which only support ATA66. but if i remember. The Via VT82C686B is pin compatible (and voltage) with the 686A chip. so it might only be a small matter to update the design to ATA100. which will be pleanty for Amiga releated disk performence. Otherwise, stick in an SCSI controller.
Lasse Bodilsen
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Feb-2002 15:58 GMT
It looks promising: newer versions are in development:
http://penguinppc.org/articles/tgall/pop.shtml
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Posted by Don Cox on 27-Feb-2002 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Adam Kowalczyk):
" I do not question that ESCENA designed and built a PCI interface for an
A1200. MAI surely would have no interest or experience in doing this. I'm not sure why this
is even needed any more."
For running Scala, and animation programs with onion-skin,
anim-painting etc.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Feb-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Don Cox):
Perhaps it is time to call back Scala and ask for an AmigaOS4 version ...
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 27-Feb-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Christophe Decanini):
With real H/W, I'm curious how many past developers will come back. I was thinking the same thing, but not really sure how realistic this is.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 27-Feb-2002 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (justin):
And AmigaOne has ATA100 when teroncx has udma66. AFAIK that's not same thing :) So AmigaOne seems to be BASED on teronCX, but it's not exactly the same board.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 27-Feb-2002 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Christophe Decanini):
Isnät there something Sacala like application in development ? can't remember it's name right now.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 27-Feb-2002 16:41 GMT
I wonder if CU Amiga / AmigaFormat / AmigaActive guys will come back after AmigaOne is released :) It would be great if atleast one of them returns.
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Posted by Alkemyst on 27-Feb-2002 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Don Cox):
i want to plug my a1200 into the Aone
:)
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Posted by Graham on 27-Feb-2002 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
"CU Amiga Active Format"? :)
The press blurb for Artica's northbridge is pretty glowing as you would expect. It will be interesting to see how it performs in reality. The dual-PCI controllers are nice, but one is shared with AGP, and on that bus I don't think you can use both PCI and AGP at the same time, although this is only the impression I get from the material on MAIs website ("66Mhz PCI slot or AGP2x slot").
Graham
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Posted by Tony Gore on 27-Feb-2002 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (justin):
""The Teron Cx hasn't got onboard sound. That would explain the slight differences in layout between the two.""
Well, I didn't see onboard sound on the pics of AOne from the show. The space where onboard sound would be is blank. But it could be scheduled to be in the final production boards.
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Posted by Graham on 27-Feb-2002 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
Technically, the Artica S chipset is only a northbridge, you can use any southbridge design that you like, as long as it has a PCI interface connection to the northbridge (VIA 686A, 868B, 8231 (used in the Pegasos, IIRC), ALi, AMD766). I am sure that MAI are also working on updated versions of the Artica S to support faster AGP and some form of fast interconnect to the southbridge as PCI based southbridges are getting rarer these days with HyperTransport, v-link, Multiol and other chipset interconnects - I would guess HyperTransport as there will be many companies supporting that as the chipset interconnect (ALI, nVidia, AMD, SiS).
*IF* the Pegasos uses the same northbridge, then they only have AGP2x, yet I have seen AGP4x claimed, so there is a strong chance that they are using a different chipset. Regardless, the Pegasos will be a smaller board, more optimised for layout than the AmigaOne, which is basically a rebadged evaluation board (not that this is bad of course).
Looking at the AmigaOne board pictures, the missing connector is the Ethernet port, and the space for the Ethernet chip is just below and to the left of it - looks like a space for an Intel networking chip to me. If the AmigaOne uses the 8231, then that has built-in audio and ethernet, so this might be a hint of what is used.
The Artica S will be costing Eyetech $30 a pop, which is a pretty good price in general for PC chipsets which waver between $20 and $40. The high price of the AmigaOne in comparison to PC motherboards is purely because of the relatively low manufacturing run, where high setup costs are not offset by a extended manufacturing process, and the need to make some money and pay for the development of the old design AmigaOne (were any of these ever made that could work?) in addition to what work has been done on the new design.
I believe that is would be popular amongst Linux users, and I think Eyetech might need a second manufacturing run if they market it in the right places. Also, the integrated board would be great for low-end servers if the PCI/AGP slots were not installed, but there were two ethernet ports and IDE-RAID on board instead, and the board was shrunk so two could fit in a 1U case.
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Posted by Paul Qureshi on 27-Feb-2002 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Ben):
If the potential market for the A1 is estimated at a few thousand, perhaps
an interested company could also sell the boards to the Linux communuty. I know
they have been after PPC hardware for a long time, with Apple's stuff being
the only choice currently. 10,000 units would not be impossible to sell then,
and $30 US isn't at all bad. Of course, you need a CPU, packaging etc on
top of that, but it's still not too bad.
Time for some competition perhaps? The OS4 guys have been saying they will
support any hardware they can, so here is a good opportunity.
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Posted by cOrpse on 27-Feb-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Tony Gore):
The on board sound is under the printer port (IIRC), any ideas what the little bios rom like socket is for next to the cpu ? it ain`t on the teron (IIRC) ... i was thinking maybe this is where the amiga os rom / basic drivers e.g. vga are and maybe the jumper near by is write protection for it ?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 27-Feb-2002 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Graham):
Look here for IDE RAID and 2*gigabit ethernet:
http://penguinppc.org/articles/tgall/pop.shtml
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Posted by cOrpse on 27-Feb-2002 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (cOrpse):
Opps i didn`t remember correctly ... theres no onboard sound on the pictured board. Sure it`ll be there tho :)
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Posted by Graham on 27-Feb-2002 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Christophe Decanini):
Heh, so it has been done with that chipset! That motherboard should by default also be AmigaOne compatible surely? Except maybe for the network interfaces, of course, and maybe the IDE raid. Still not as small as I would have liked, and the processor is even smaller! Still, that is a server motherboard, and a nice one at that.
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Posted by Amifan on 27-Feb-2002 19:59 GMT
Well...it's based around that mai board for sure...you can see that youself because of all the little details like the silkscreen surrounding BGA socket (at least where it has to go) and other components (every compagnies makes their own footprints).
The location and shape of the ground planes and several other planes.
Furthermore do some people underestimate the price of the actual PCB. Those things of these sizes (and number of layers, trace width (probably 0.15um), spacing (also 0.15um) are damn expensive in a relative low amount because of the complexity (high error rate) and size.
Don't forget to add the cost of manufacturing it: Making new tooling like a pastmask screen (seems like a new revision), making a program for the pick and place machine, Hand-placement of wire components before they go thru the wavesolder line.....
All those little components like resistors (an averageSMD 0805 resistor still costs about 0.0025 EURO) transistors (0.05EURO) diodes (0.02 EURO) etc... then add the price of the northbridge, southbridge, sockets etc and you'll end up with these kind of prices...
I think that this is a more then fair price.
We should worry about the BGA socket....whoever worked with those ones knows two things:
a) A quality one is extremely expensive (I'm talking about 450-500 EURO), much cheaper versions (50-100 EURO are available, but then you'll face problem b)
b) Keeping all balls contacted (they're nothing more then a bubble of solder) over a longer period of time or when you exchange them a lot needs at least 100g of pressure on each ball. This means a total of more then 25 kg pressure.
We use a 500 EURO BGA socket with a screw lock to accomplish that pressure, otherwise you can bet on it that your CPU will start to fail after a couple of months (OK we exchange the ASIC a lot).
So my advice would be to spend the additional money of a socket on a faster G3 (733Mhz or something).
I'm also curious what faster CPU you should put into the 256 pin BGA socket since even the IBM 750FX (the one that is supposed to reach 1 GHz) uses a 292 pin BGA housing, not to mention the 360 pins BGA of a G4.
Another option would be to use a ZIF socket instead and produce "PGA" print with a PPC solder on it to fit into the ZIF. You can't buy a G3/G4 anywhere anyway.....
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Posted by Amifan on 27-Feb-2002 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Amifan):
Hmm... that other board uses a 300 pin MegArray (with 0.5e (1.27 mm) spacing from FCI....I wonder what it's capable of...Still you need more then 300 pins for a G4 so I guess that they should use a 400 pins instead...
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Feb-2002 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Graham):
>*IF* the Pegasos uses the same northbridge, then they only have AGP2x, yet I
>have seen AGP4x claimed
>
AGP4X was never claimed. Do you people never look at the official sites?
http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/news/news05_e.html
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Posted by Don Cox on 27-Feb-2002 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Christophe Decanini):
"Perhaps it is time to call back Scala and ask for an AmigaOS4 version
..."
Absolutely no chance. It would need a major rewrite, and they probably
threw away the code anyway.
However, there is a chance of Mediapoint being updated for RTG and
AHI. It is ugly compared to Scala, but the engine is good.
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Posted by Don Cox on 27-Feb-2002 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Paul Qureshi):
"If the potential market for the A1 is estimated at a few thousand, perhaps
an interested company could also sell the boards to the Linux
communuty."
Why not Eyetech themselves ?
Probably all that is needed is to post the information on Slashdot.
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Posted by Michael on 27-Feb-2002 22:16 GMT
After all those lameness and disappointments Amiga Inc. produced for us,
plus the lame progress/situation regarding the outsourced 4.x, why should
one put trust into Amiga Inc. any more....
Dunno what Bplan will do and how much or little they will achieve in the
next two years, but they are far more competent=trustworthy in my eyes.
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Posted by Neil Thomas on 27-Feb-2002 22:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Amifan):
Or as was the original idea: Solder the BGA chip to a small PCB and have that PCB plugging into the board. Rather like a Slot A or PCI card.
BGA - Unreliable if made to be removable. Rework is difficult
PGA - (ALA Socket A) Soon becoming obsolete, chips cost more. Replacement easier.
Custom card - Best of both worlds. BGA packaging technology, Slot A conveinence.
IIRC this was the original idea, which BPlan also picked up on. If it turns out that an Eyetech AmigaOne will never have a socket/slot form, I believe it won't sell as many as the Pegasos. All other things equal, that is (i.e they both run OS4)
Neil Thomas, AKA BobF
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