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[News] Amigaone has the Mentor ARC ARTICIA S chipset: is it a TERON CX board ?ANN.lu
Posted on 27-Feb-2002 15:17 GMT by Christophe Decanini76 comments
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If you look at the pitures of the AmigaOne you can see the brand/model of the NorthBridge. Here is a link that give you more information about it. I like particularly this article that says Pentium 3, Pentium 4 performance at half the price. The Amigaone look to be exactely a Teron CX. Lets just hope that YOU guys order enough AmigaOne to get lower and lower prices. I guess Bplan used the Articia S to build the Pegasos.
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Posted by Graham on 27-Feb-2002 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Michael):
But they haven't released anything either yet!
Both companies have demonstrated their hardware products. Both products will be released within weeks of each other.
Eyetech and Hyperion are both known for actually knowing what tp do and doing it. Amiga Inc. aren't involved in the development of the AmigaOne except to certify hardware as being "AmigaOne" compatible, and thus deserving of the "AmigaOne" moniker.
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Posted by redrumloa on 27-Feb-2002 23:01 GMT
Hyperion is under the gun here. I will be really surprised if the AmigaOne is
shipping with OS4.0 in the hinted time frame of 6 weeks. Hot damn I want one NOW,
but if it is selling before the 4th of July I will be VERY happy. Alot of us here,
if not MOST of us have been waiting for this day for a VERY VERY LONG time.
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Posted by John Block on 28-Feb-2002 00:08 GMT
What's the price difference between a G3 and G4 chip.
They focus on G4, should we be having g4's.
Obviously a G3 is a massive leap particularly with amiga's lean os but
still.
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Posted by Graham on 28-Feb-2002 00:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (John Block):
I feel they should offer two soldered models. the 600MHz G3 at the lower end, and either a "bitchin' fast G4" at 1GHz or at least a faster G3 (an IBM 750fx for example running at 1GHz, should they become available in the near future).
I have no problem with the soldered on aspect myself, just the fact that the choice is 1.
Graham
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Posted by Dr. Righteous on 28-Feb-2002 00:59 GMT
Speaking of costs, I did a little research on what a complete Amiga One system would cost, assuming all of the information we have at this point stays true. These US price estimates are from Pricewatch.com using equipment I would use myself.
Amiga One w/ G3/600Mhz: $500
128M 133MHz SDRAM Memory: $25
3Dfx VooDoo3 2000 AGP 16M Video: $40
Floppy Drive: $10
20GB ATA100 Hard Drive: $60
16X10X40 CDRW Drive: $90
ATA Zip Drive: $60
USB Keyboard: $15
USB Mouse: $10
17" Monitor: $20
ATX Case: $30
Speakers: $30
AmigaOS 4.0: $40
Total $930
Interestingly this is about what you'd pay for a G3/600MHz iMac with similar features. Well done folks!
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Posted by Graham on 28-Feb-2002 01:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Dr. Righteous):
Yes, I must agree that the price is nice. Imagine what Eyetech could do with volume like the iMac gets?
The iMac also only uses naff ATI Rage graphics and 100MHz FSB and memory, IIRC. No floppy or zip or 17" monitor by default either, but I think you have taken that into account with your prices already.
That is part of the power of the AmigaOne - we can choose the components we want in it, unlike the iMac which is a take it or leave it box. The AmigaOne is not as good as the PowerMac board though, but that has up to 2 1GHz CPUs on it. Maybe by the time OS5 is out we will have similar boards but faster...
Graham
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Posted by YttriumOx on 28-Feb-2002 05:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Dr. Righteous):
Hmmm, sorry, offtopic post, but your price list just looks weird to me... Note that I do live in Australia so I'm converting $US to $AU as I go.
> Floppy Drive: $10
> USB Mouse: $10
You get a mouse for the same price as a floppy drive? A Floppy drive here is closer to $US5, but a USB mouse is in the range of $US20 at least.
> 17" Monitor: $20
Erm? Really?! I can't find a 15" for that kind money... maybe I just shop in the wrong places but a 17" Monitor (even a really crappy piece of junk) won't retail for less than $US75 approx in these parts.
Anyway, offtopic, so I'll leave it at that.
Regards,
Ben de Waal.
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Posted by priest on 28-Feb-2002 05:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Michael):
IMO: Eyetech and Hyperion does have a longer history than bplan...
But yes, time will tell.
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Posted by José on 28-Feb-2002 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Don Cox):
Hey, nobody believe A1 would do it either:)
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Posted by Tony Gore on 28-Feb-2002 11:39 GMT
Yeah, that 17" monitor is not realistic. I live in the US and even the lowest price on pricewatch.com is $92.00. The mouse could be had for as little as $10. Still, if I can build my own AmigaONE, I'll do it like I did this PC...A little at a time until I get exactly what I want in it. Makes much more sense than buying a bundle (although there is a very valid market for these as well).
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2002 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Adam Kowalczyk):
> Do you think Apple executives care where the new iMac is made or
> who makes it?
You bet they care. If three factories are making the same product
which sells for the same end price, they want it made as cheaply
as possible so as not to cut any deeper into the profit than
necessary.
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2002 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Dr. Righteous):
>17" Monitor: $20
Cheater!
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Posted by Darrin on 28-Feb-2002 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Tony Gore):
There's a guy who hangs out in a pub in Liverpool who could sell you a few monitors for 20 quid each... a long as you don't ask where they came from or expect a warrantee ;)
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 28-Feb-2002 16:32 GMT
Ok,here's my idea of an AmigaONE configuration that beats Imac in performance but is still close to the Imac price.
Prices converted to USD from Danish Crowns(DKR) (including 25% Danish tax).
Motherboard: AmigaOne 499,-
Tower: Miditower 38,-
Harddrive: IBM 40GB 100,-
Ram: 256MB Micron 1.part quality 63,-
Gfx card: Radeon7200TV-Out AGP/64MB/2048x1536/ 120,-
CD-RW Drive: LiteOn LTR-2410 40X/24X/10X/2MB/IDE 95,-
Monitor: Hansol 710P 17"/1600x1200/0,26dp/3 Years 208,-
Mouse/Keyboard: Logitech Cordless/Optical 105 keys/USB 81,-
Speakers: Labtec Pulse 415, 2 speaker+sub. 40,-
Total: 1244 USD ($).
Imac (Graphite) 1280 USD ($)
Slightly less than an Imac, but with much better components. Especially the Monitor which is 17" instead of the Imacs 15", the Gfx card which is much better, the keyboard/mice which is way cool;-).. All in all a good config for the price, I think.
All prices taken from www.edbpriser.dk
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Posted by David Scheibler on 28-Feb-2002 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (priest):
>IMO: Eyetech and Hyperion does have a longer history than bplan...
>But yes, time will tell.
Maybe the companies but not the people behind them.
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Feb-2002 19:34 GMT
I dont want any ordinary old case for my new A1 .. I want something thats gonna make jaws hit the deck .. And I dont mind spending a few extra "Bob" to get that effect. And imagine Joe ordinaries expression when it dawns on em that THIS machine is an AMIGA.
>
>
Customise your Amis to look as cool as you can ... Your GONNA get noticed
ROCK ON
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Posted by [JC] on 28-Feb-2002 21:45 GMT
NO. No no no. Soldered in CPU'sbad.
The whole point of an ATX board is it's upgradeable... I aint gonna be keen to upgrade my cpu if I also have to do the motherboard (unless it had some radical gain, eg moving from socket 7 to socket A). iMac's get away with it because they are aimed at people who won't be doing anything to the insides of thier machines... ATX boards are typically aimed at people who build and customise their own systems.
On a further note - the CPU daughterboard/card thing is only gonna really work if bPlan, Eyetech, etc get together and make a STANDARD card system - otherwise you're going to be stuck with having to buy a matching processor card for your board. Standardisation is what keeps the PC alive in this respect.
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Posted by Seehund on 28-Feb-2002 23:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 ([JC]):
I agree about the soldered-down CPU - it's the apex of idiocy! Well, unless it's aimed at the iMac audience who don't want "a computer" but just something that'll let them browse the web and use Word. Presumably Eyetech will sell this model just because that's all the "Amiga Ones" MAI have in stock right now...
I see people saying "but a G3 @ 600 MHz is faster than any current Amiga". So what? Why compare 2 year old hardware to 10 year old hardware? Only current hardware is relevant. Even on an iMac you can upgrade the CPU!
Regarding CPU modules, do the Macs (iMacs and Powermacs respectively) use proprietary interfaces? After all, there are lots of third-party CPU-module upgrades available for them (I have a couple of original G3 iMac modules and a G4 module from a dead Mac-shop that I was hoping to get some use for).
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Posted by tinman on 01-Mar-2002 00:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 ([JC]):
How often do people upgrade their CPUs on their PC without changing the motherboard? Even if you go for every 6 months you'd probably need to get a new motherboard because your old one doesn't support the clock speed of your CPU.
Anyway, there will be an upgradable one, but like you say it would be better if everyone used the same CPU card/slot.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2002 09:35 GMT
oh whoah is us thats piece of shit .
Not new technology but old technology. Remeber just becasue a car is new doesnt mean its the best there is. Ie the yugo and that is what we have here. To many dam pc people in the Amiga community
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Posted by priest on 01-Mar-2002 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Seehund):
I also would like to see a CPU slot in mid-high end machines. But I think soldered CPU is a very good idea for low end and low cost version, it's extremely good idea.
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Posted by priest on 01-Mar-2002 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Seehund):
>Why compare 2 year old hardware to 10 year old hardware?
>Only current hardware is relevant.
But we need to remeber that we are talking about Amigas. And we must remember what is realistic to achieve.
(btw. 750CXe is a very modern CPU)
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2002 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (tinman):
>How often do people upgrade their CPUs on their PC without changing the
>motherboard? Even if you go for every 6 months you'd probably need to get
>a new motherboard because your old one doesn't support the clock speed of
>your CPU.
>
You forget the PC motherboards are 1/5 the price of a PPC motherboard.
A modular CPU makes sense, because you don't have to redesign the whole
motherboard if you want to offer different CPUs (750CXe, 750FX, 7445, 7455,
dual-CPUs...). So you can say it helps to keep costs down.
The clock speed is not an issue, the current G4 has a clock divider of 1:15,
so you could go up to 2GHz with 133MHz bus speed.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2002 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (priest):
>(btw. 750CXe is a very modern CPU)
>
It's a very simple CPU.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2002 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Anonymous):
>the current G4 has a clock divider of 1:15
>
I have been wrong, it is 16x! :-)
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Posted by priest on 01-Mar-2002 17:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
I wonder what you base that on?
What makes it simple, is it because it does not have SSE/3Dnow/Altivec?
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