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[News] Tao release free intent SDK with Digital MagazineANN.lu
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"A special release of the Application Development Kit (ADK) for Tao's intent(R) media platform is being made available to the general public. Version 1.3.1 of Tao's intent(R) ADK is now available as an exclusive CD on the cover of digital magazine, volume 1 issue 4, released today. The ADK will help developers gain early access to the intent(R) platform prior to the release of Tao's full Software Development Kit (SDK) later this year, and gives everyone - not just developers - a chance to experience the future of compelling multimedia content which will run on the intent platform." Read the full press release below.

Reading & Bournemouth, UK 1st March 2002. A special release of the Application Development Kit (ADK) for Tao's intent(R) media platform is being made available to the general public. Version 1.3.1 of Tao's intent(R) ADK is now available as an exclusive CD on the cover of digital magazine, volume 1 issue 4, released today.

The ADK will help developers gain early access to the intent(R) platform prior to the release of Tao's full Software Development Kit (SDK) later this year, and gives everyone - not just developers - a chance to experience the future of compelling multimedia content which will run on the intent platform.

intent(R) enables a new class of interactive content services across any number of devices from mobile phones to digital televisions. It is the supported software platform for the Open Contents Platform Association, a standards body with a membership of more than 60 companies including Hitachi, Sony, Kyocera, Intel, JVC, Fujitsu, Sharp, Epson, Pioneer, Metrowerks, Sega, Bandai and Capcom.

The ADK released with digital magazine runs on Personal Computers supporting Windows and Linux (RedHat 7.2) and incorporates intent media libraries, C and C++ compilers, a PersonalJava(TM) engine and various tools.

Volume 1, issue 4 of digital goes on sale in newsagents throughout the UK today. The magazine can also be ordered direct from the publishers, Active Media Group, via the magazine's web site at www.digitalmagazine.co.uk while stocks last.

Notes to Editors:

About Tao Group Limited

Tao has developed intent, a binary portable, language independent, high performance, multimedia platform that is now used by many of the world's leading OEMs in their client products for home and mobile networks. The technology allows these companies to have a single strategy across all of their platforms, irrespective of operating system, hardware and function. intent is now being used in products including smart mobile appliances and digital television. Its technology is a fundamental component for the Open Contents Platform Association (OCPA) launched in Japan last October. Tao's range of products have been designed from their inception to combine applications and content written in C, C++ and the Java language with Tao's multimedia to run real-world content many times faster than any alternative. The Company was founded in 1992, has offices in the United States, Europe and Japan and counts Sony, NEC, Motorola, Sharp and Bowman Capital amongst its investors. Tao has a growing and high value, global patent portfolio and is the recipient of multiple industry awards, both for its technologies and for the rate of corporate growth.

About digital magazine

digital is the only magazine dedicated to covering the universal,interconnected nature of information and devices in today's increasingly digital world. digital focuses on the technologies and companies behind the best consumer electronics devices and showcases the best new hardware and software in all fields: from portable computing devices like mobile phones and PDAs to fixed hardware such as set-top boxes, games consoles and desktop PCs. Published by Active Media Group, digital is a high quality, monthly title distributed throughout the UK on the news-stands and worldwide on subscription.

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Posted by redrumloa on 01-Mar-2002 15:53 GMT
And the $100,000 question is? Where does this leave Amiga? To the non-programmer(me), casual observer who doesn't know or care much for the DE stuff(me) it looks like Tao simply got tired of Amiga Inc's inability to add value to Intent.
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Posted by Budda on 01-Mar-2002 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (redrumloa):
I was just going to ask and say the exact same thing. Damn, you beat me to it! :P
Hm, What does Amiga currently distribute - the story mentions that TAO will be releasing a full SDK later this year, and the current ADK is for a "taster". So is the TAO ADKAmigaDE SDK?
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Posted by catohagen on 01-Mar-2002 16:18 GMT
wont stuff developed with/for intent run on amigaDE ?
if this haven't anything to do with amiga/amigaDE, why post in Ann then ?
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Posted by Johan Rasten on 01-Mar-2002 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (catohagen):
Everything written for Elate/Intent will run in AmigaDE, while apps written for AmigaDE will ofcourse need the DE.
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Posted by Andrew Korn on 01-Mar-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (redrumloa):
Not at all. This is a Tao release, not an Amiga release. Tao aren't shutting up shop and becoming a coding house for Amiga, after all. Amiga will continue to release SDKs for the AmigaDE, and if you want to code for the added value extensions that brings, you'll need to get an Amiga SDK. The Tao SDK does not contain the added functionality Amiga are developing, but then not every device running intent is going to have AmigaDE on it. This is a great way to get into intent, whether you want to code for pure intent or whether you want to learn about intent in preparation for coding for AmigaDE later. It's also a lot of fun to play with and to get an idea of what intent does, even if you aren't a coder.
I'm sure there are many people waiting for the next release of the Amiga SDK. For those people, this Tao ADK will be an excellent - and very cheap - way to get started, or to evaluate the foundation system.
There's nothing new in Tao releasing their own SDKs, it's just that now this up to date ADK version is a lot more easily available.
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2002 17:23 GMT
This has nothing to do with the Amiga.
AmigaDE has only one thing in common with the Amiga community interests : the five letters A M I G A.
May Amiga Inc. close down and free the name...
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Posted by Anonymous on 01-Mar-2002 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amigaone/message/11001
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Posted by MIKE on 01-Mar-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Andrew Korn):
Andrew, could you please name some additional value Amiga has added to the TAO system, in the released SDK? This is a bad situation for Amiga and I believe a vote of non-confidence from TAO, Amiga is/was from my viewpoint nothing more then TAO evangelist, who were supposed to bring an army of coders to the Intent platform. Which unfortunately for Amiga hasn't happened, since in all respects the SDK isn't ready for any serious developments, the cross platform stuff doesn't work as advertised, and coding for it has nothing in common with the Amiga platform way of doing things that we all love.
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 01-Mar-2002 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (MIKE):
Please don't be so dramatic. This is EXACTLY what Andrew said it was. ANd I don't see any problem with it. As for Amiga-added content. WEll Sign up as a developer and you'll know or wait like the rest.
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Posted by anonymous on 01-Mar-2002 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (MIKE):
Why is it that Amiga users are so myopic? It's the whole "not invented here syndrome" over & over again. Amiga is using Tao technology as the foundation of AmigaDE - they are essentially a VAR and in that sense are no different than any of the other strategic partners. Take a close look at that group and appreciate the magnitude of the players. Give credit to Amiga for being able to recognize this value early on in the game.
Making this pre-release available to the mainstream is *extremely* beneficial to Amiga users and developers. No it's not the SDK, but it comes at an unbeatable price and gains exposure to end users and developers. If it walks like a duck...
Sorry people, but you can't have mainstream success and still be the world's best kept secret.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 01-Mar-2002 19:19 GMT
Hmm what did you expect then ? Ofcourse TAO will continue debloping Intent stuff. I don't think anything has changed. I'm quite optimistic by nature and I have to say people who always expect the worse annoy me. So be happy and don't worry, i don't think news will make Amigas position worse or anything like that.
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Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 01-Mar-2002 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
Argh what really annoy me are these damn typos :) I should not write anything when i'm tired :) debloping ? developing ofvourse :)
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Posted by Casey R Williams on 01-Mar-2002 19:33 GMT
I think the Amiga name adds immeasurably to the appeal of TAO's product. Of course their own name, "intent", sounds cool but it's also a little pretentious with that lower case "i" and all. On the other hand, the Amiga product features the recognisable Amiga brand which says to me that the users and developers for that platform are among the most clever and creative in the world. (Whether that remains a valid assumption is not really in the hands of Amiga but rather is the responsibility of those who make up the so-called "Amiga community")
Oh, and all of that other functionality Amiga have begun work on will make a nice bonus when and if it's released.
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Posted by Budda on 01-Mar-2002 19:55 GMT
So nobody has answered the question raised in Comment 8 by Mike.
What exactly has Amiga added to the TAO base SDK to this day? What is available int he AmigaDE box which makes it worth the money? And I don't want to hear about support... I want to know the value-added stuff which prevents AmigaDE applications working on pure intent based devices.
And no, I don't want to have to go and sign up for another mailing list just to get an answer - or be told what is in the pipe line.
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 01-Mar-2002 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Budda):
Well, then you'll have to wait like the rest :-P
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Posted by gz on 01-Mar-2002 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Budda):
YEAH! you just rock me with those words. I have been thinking the same thing.
Sure I don't have any inside info of AI's internal affairs, but things are REALLY crawling with their SDK projects from the user point of view.
2 years we have been anxiously waiting for some SOLID development tools for 'the comeback of amiga' and what do we get? 1.0 or whatever version of the sdk and then we're supposed to wait another 2 years for the 1.01 version of the sdk which probably introduces us to a NEW boingball demo. WOW! And all this while the rest of the world is advancing around us. I tell you, nothing has changed since the days of commodore.
The feeling I have got is that AI are like a typical E-commerce company these days. They hype alot to get funding from here and there, and that way they can stay afloat in the sea without having to have any solid products to bring them money, as money is coming from investors who believe the BS that AI is feeding them.
I'm not saying AI wouldn't want to succeed in the software industry, but they might not have to either... Lots of companies, big and small operate in a way these days where they have steady income without actually selling anything, or at least selling without profit.
I haven't seen any proof that AI would even have a single coder in house to produce stuff for the next version of the sdk. So what I would also like to know what so special AI have brought to the intent family, from TAO point of view?
Anyway someone said that who tend to think worst right away are annoying...
Well that might be true, but ppl who have been eating shit for 8 years happily,waiting for a day the turd on their plate to turn into gold, and still believing it will someday taste other than shit, make me angry aswell...
No offence to anybody though...
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Posted by cOrpse on 01-Mar-2002 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (gz):
I get the feeling that amiga has(is adding) the user end on the whole system.
Stop complaining , go buy DE and play for yourself ( yes i have got it :) )
Also it seems to me the ones that moan are the same ones that didn`t upgrade their amiga`s or buy newer ones and compained about speed and features e.g. A500 users moaning about AGA games , bloody hell just buy a A1200 that A500 is past its best to be nice and CD-Rom only games ...
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 01-Mar-2002 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (MIKE):
>Andrew, could you please name some additional value Amiga has added to the TAO
>system, in the released SDK? This is a bad situation for Amiga and I believe a
>vote of non-confidence from TAO
Not really. The two are mostly likely targetted at two seperate markets. DE is more multi-media based then Intent. DE would be more suited for PDAs, cell phones and STBs. Intent would be more suited for washing machines, microwaves and fridges. DE would be a waste on things that do not require the multi-media components. I would be worried only if Tao started marketing their own multi-media components that compete directly with DE.
- Mike
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 01-Mar-2002 21:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (gz):
>Lots of companies, big and small operate in a way these days where they have
>steady income without actually selling anything, or at least selling without
>profit.
Have you heard about the tech-market collapse? Let's just say reality set in about a year ago.
- Mike
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Posted by tinman on 01-Mar-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Budda):
Aren't they working on their own GUI/2d/3D/sound api's and things like
SHEEP (AmiDE ARexx equivalent) and something to do with treating
content as just content and not specific types of stuff (blegh, I
can't remember, read it in Amigactive a long time ago :).
I mean, if intent had it's own GUI/2D/3D/sound api's people would
surely just develop for that as it would be the lowest common
denominator (any TAO or Amiga could run it). Unless the Amiga stuff is
*really* cool.
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Posted by gz on 01-Mar-2002 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (cOrpse):
hahaa I knew this would happen...
Somehow shit eaters seem to have such a weird love n' hate relationship with the good ol' buttmud that they see red when somebody tells them the whole wide rest of the world don't nececcarily fancy it as much as they do...
Look man, all I was saying was my OWN opinion, it didn't have to be yours, but no. You had to get all offencive because you have been waiting to see the glorious comeback for so long that it's starting to grow hair on ya, and you just HATE it when someone don't share your view of the subject.
I think I have the right to believe I'm a realist when I expressed my concerns about what AI have REALLY done when all PR talk has been left out of the equation. I knew I was writing in a way that it might tick some ppl off, which is EXACTLY why I finished my post with the sentence "no offence to ANYBODY"
What really pissed me off here was the way you told me to go out and buy something I already own, the sdk, and A4000T, cyberstorm604e/060,cybervisionppc,128mb ram and 60 gigs of hd space. (on a pc this is nothing spetacular) but on an amiga it's pretty much the best hardware you can obtain at the moment. Which is why I wrote in such a negative way in the first place because I'm disappointed...DISAPPOINTED! Does that compute? You see I have been a shit eater myself and I kinda still am. I have been hoping for the comeback of the amiga for a long time, and at times even been foolish enough to pay insane amounts of money for a piece of new amiga hardware that just ceases to exist after awhile because things don't move on.
There is nothing wrong in saying that "I'm not happy with the way things are"
Nobody is forcing us to have a loony smile on our faces and amiga tattooed on our foreheads. We should be realists in the way we can as individuals, and ready to admit to ourselves how things are in this world. It doesen't mean we would be quitting the battle, on the contrary. Without ppl showing their satisfaction or dissatisfaction companies could do whatever they wanted regardless of what the consumers want.
What I'm trying to say here is that you shouldn't get all tangled up because you think somebody doesen't share your thoughts.
I for one have been suckered for the glorious comeback 2 times too many that I have come to a point where I have to say to myself "this is the LAST time I will wait and see" and so far it's not looking good for AI. Hyperion is another story altogether... Superb bunch of ppl who DO deliver what they promise and I sincerely hope all the best to their efforts.
To conclude this post I would like to apologise everyone for my naive outburst. I have really had a bad day today and this really got me off in a wrong way...
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Posted by redrumloa on 01-Mar-2002 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (cOrpse):
AGA is a bad example, my A3000 has ECS(no AGA here) and IMO it is the best Amiga
ever made. It's far more expandable than a A1200.
And also IMO waaay back in the day, the upgrade from an A500 to an A1200 did not
make a hell of alot of sense. 020 was not a hell of alot faster than the 000, and
at least initially the AGA performace didn't seem heads and sholders over ECS.
Also alot of people had expansions on their A500 that would not work on an A1200.
This is getting of topic, so back to the topic. AmigaDE does not give a WOW factor
to the average end user in the Amiga commumity right now. Maybe it will one day,
but for now it seems like ~2 years of stagnantation. OTOH hyperion and Eyetech
seem to be making great progress on A1/OS4.0, and when DE is available in ~4.2
the WOW factor could well be there.
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Posted by MIKE on 01-Mar-2002 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mike Veroukis):
In what way? I have the AmigaSDK and all, ported some apps, did some VP, It's a difficult environment, plus I found that some binaries wouldn't run on other users machines they had to be recompiled, what's up with that? I'm not trying to flame Amiga or whatever, I'm just curious what value has amiga added to the TAO dev. platform, I don't see any, and no one has responded to my original question, other then some personal attacks (I suspect they haven't used the SDK, and just dismiss real comments offhand as attacks against Amiga). As far as giving them time, an update to the Original SDK is quite overdue.
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Posted by Johan Rasten on 01-Mar-2002 22:19 GMT
I hear a lot of whining hear (surprise surprise) and I know that Amiga haven't added much to the Tao SDK. Yet!
Does anybody here who has used the AmigaSDK, which is indeed not much more than Intent SDK, actually think that what you see is impressive? It can open a console window and present you with a linuxlike text interface, show a few gadget demos and have transparent windows. Intent in it's current state is even lamer than X! Does it have a desktop environment? No! Tools other than a virtual keyboard and zoom? No! Fancy games? Hah!
Well, THAT is what Amiga wants to add to Intent, and I'm pretty sure Tao badly wants it too! Amiga Inc. has seen a possibility to once again prosper in the Tao and I too hope for this future to come true. I just wish a little more people could actually be a bit creative and _help_ Amiga on it's way back, instead of spending hours of telling the world about THEIR oppinions about what Amiga is, what it should be and ofcourse everything they do wrong!
There's no friggin way that the guys (and gals?) at Amiga Inc. are going to deliver you a perfect OS, great apps and killer games just because you want them to, such things just don't happen.
Now, move your fat ass ;P and get productive damn it!
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Posted by gz on 01-Mar-2002 22:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Mike Veroukis):
yes your right mike, but there are still lots of companies managing themselves in a way where all they need is something that looks so good on a piece of paper that it convinces some investors. It's like when going to a shop where a really skilled salesperson manages to sell you a vacuum cleaner you don't even need.
As far as I know for instance amazon and jippii are still having a bigger cashflow out instead of in. And still insane amounts of money get invested into them keeping them going and guaranteening for the managers of those companies a real nice way to drive their fancy cars.
Anyway, I don't know what kinda car the head of amazon drives, and don't know if this is the way AI are keeping in business.
All I do know is what AI have come up to during these years and it ain't alot considering the DE player and sdk are the only products they have been involved into. All other projects have been given to a 3rd party and are as such the work of those parties.
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Posted by Budda on 01-Mar-2002 23:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Johan Rasten):
But the AmigaDE SDK is too lame to allow much in the way of "creative" development, am i right?
So (from what I've read so far in this thread) I could go and buy Digital Magazine and end up with a similar/same environment as AmigaDe is *currently* at for £5 rather than £100 (or whatever price the AmigaDE is being flogged at).
Too many people here defending Amiga Incs pathetic lazyness in the AmigaDE SDK update department. Where's the amazing 2d/3d/sound APIs for us bedroom hackers to get creative with? Nowhere.
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 02-Mar-2002 00:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Budda):
"But the AmigaDE SDK is too lame to allow much in the way of "creative" development, am i right?"
Wrong, it will just be more work for you without those 2-3D and sound API's (which i think ARE available for registred developers!).
Nothing keeps you from beeing creative, look at the games allready out and those under way ("Payback" for example ).
"So (from what I've read so far in this thread) I could go and buy Digital Magazine and end up with a similar/same environment as AmigaDe is *currently* at for £5 rather than £100 (or whatever price the AmigaDE is being flogged at)."
You would get a newer SDK if you get the Digital one (I think??), but you wouldn't get any support or updates, just a very basic SDK. Nice for learning but lacking the Amiga specifics(2/3D, sound, GUI, sheep...) that will be in the next SDK from Amiga.
"Too many people here defending Amiga Incs pathetic lazyness in the AmigaDE SDK update department. Where's the amazing 2d/3d/sound APIs for us bedroom hackers to get creative with? Nowhere."
You can say we are defending Amiga or maybe we just know/understand their situation better than you do? I'm sure Amiga would have loved to present a finished AmigaDE a year ago but they have been low on cash and even Amiga can't get anybody to work for free. They were hit very bad by the IT crisis, but unlike others they did survive.
As far as I know the 2D api is finished, the 3D api (by Hyperion) is finished they will (probably!) be in the next SDK update/release. I haven't heard much about sound? but I guess it's finished aswell.
Amiga's partnership with Nokia gave me a lot of faith in AmigaDE, I know for sure that Nokia wouldn't use AmigaDE if it was crap. And I am sure Nokia have seen AmigaDE, beeing presented in a more finished state than we have ;-)
Best regards
Troels Ersking
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Posted by tinman on 02-Mar-2002 00:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Budda):
Ask Zeoneo or pagan, they seem to be the only ones who have done
anything (publically) with the SDK so far.
There have also been posts on this forum saying that no-one has got
the sound/2d/etc update for the SDK only to have NDA'd developers
saying that they have them. Seems NDA is the way to go, at least for
now.
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Posted by Troels E on 02-Mar-2002 00:28 GMT
I wonder if this means that Amiga will lower the price on the SDK or DEplayer?
We know that Amiga have paid a fortune to TAO for every SDK/DEplayer sold, if TAO suddenly have reconsidered their SDK pricing it should affect the price Amiga pays too?
Well, in my opinion this should mean lower prices for the Amiga SDK or at least more money for Amiga.
Troels Ersking
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Posted by anon on 02-Mar-2002 01:37 GMT
Is this the beginning of TAO and AMIGA Inc destruction?
Is this similar step with Star and Be decision to release their main products free of charge? (ie StarOffice and BeOS)
Even the "Time Limited" demo can be hacked into 100% free version!
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Posted by acg on 02-Mar-2002 02:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Troels Ersking):
Well, so what if Amiga has a good SDK for developers?
Where are the products?
Why did Amiga want to demonstrate its wares under Microsofts
tent? Why couldn't it have had its own demonstration, or
hook up with Sharp, or Nokia, or Joe Blow venture capital group?
Why would anyone want Microsoft to know about their secrets?
They can gobble you up in a second. Is this why their director
of engineering is a former Microsoft employee???
It's been over 2 years now...no AS4.0 yet! No AmigaOne yet!
No intent/Elate desktop. No super chip, no multiprocessor set ups,
no superduper high res screens, nothing but the promise of being
able to run on any chips or any OS, (which is cool by itself, but
not cool after Microsoft has its fangs in it)...
The reason Tao probably released its dev. kit, is so Microsoft
can't engineer the TAO system to work on WindowsOS only, and
thereby claim they have the market on this type of technology...
I have a feeling Tao feels that AI doublecrossed them....
Anyway, these are just my rants...but I am so disapppointed by
the computer business nowadays anyway...
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Posted by Amigan Software on 02-Mar-2002 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (acg):
Yes, this is somewhat concerning. But of course Amiga's future has nothing to do with the DE, I think the DE is a waste of time. Amiga should concentrate on developing AmigaOS, not AmigaDE.
I thought digital said they were not going to mount cover CDs. Also by the way does anyone know whether they continued the AmigActive Warp3D series into digital?
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Posted by anon on 02-Mar-2002 03:23 GMT
http://www.digitalmagazine.co.uk/issues/issue04/issue4graphic.jpg
The cover picture of the magazine is "too offensive" for several Moslem countries, therefore it will not be available in several countries. :(
It will be difficult to smuggle such magazine. In several countries, CD / VCD / DVD are censored by the government (Porn movies etc).
Perhaps in the future INTENT ADK can be bundled with CHIP magazine (German) and its worldwide translations:
http://www.chip.de
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Posted by Samface on 02-Mar-2002 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Amigan Software):
The Amiga's future is nothing BUT the DE, AmigaOS/One is made by third parties and completely without Amiga Inc's involvment except for the license agreements. Like it or not.
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Posted by Samface on 02-Mar-2002 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (anon):
I find it so sad when they mix religion and politics, making their religous beliefs a part of the law. For one, it makes it impossible to have a different religion besides the one made law. A really think such things should be a decision made by the individual him/herself and not the government.
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Posted by priest on 02-Mar-2002 09:29 GMT
My thoughts, no offence...
MIKE>
>SDK isn't ready for any serious developments
Still there are a lot of serious developers for AmigaDE, but what are you personally missing from it? Have you discussed about it with the support.
>cross platform stuff doesn't work as advertised,...
>I found that some binaries wouldn't run on other users machines they
>had to be recompiled, what's up with that?
There are some known incompatibilities with different SDK versions, like between 1.0 and 1.1. I think we should accept that at least as long as the DE is not ready.
Budda>
>AmigaDE box which makes it worth the money?
One thing is the content delivery system.
>And I don't want to hear about support.
Sorry but support is big part of it.
>value-added stuff which prevents AmigaDE applications
>working on pure intent based devices
.ami format (relates to content delivery system)
>But the AmigaDE SDK is too lame to allow much in the way
>of "creative" development, am i right?
It depends. It one thinks M$VisualC dev tool is needed for creativity, then SDK is pretty poor creativity wise. But Amigans have never had VisualC for their machines, still they have always been very creative.
gz>
>solid products to bring them money
The player is already bringing them money.
>I haven't seen any proof that AI would even have a single coder in house
>to produce stuff for the next version of the sdk.
Try opening your eyes. There are coders at AI.
>what so special AI have brought to the intent family,
>from TAO point of view?
Nokia. ;)
>but ppl who have been eating shit for 8 years...
Perhaps they do not "taste" anything anymore, not even "gold".
Mike Veroukis>
>I would be worried only if Tao started marketing their own
>multi-media components that compete directly with DE
I've read somewhere that AI might start delivering some components also to the basic intent.
Tinman>
>Ask Zeoneo or pagan, they seem to be the only ones who have done
>anything (publically) with the SDK so far.
Not the only ones, these are also public:
http://www.apex-designs.net/
http://www.titan-computer.com/
http://www.epic-interactive.com/
http://www.ruksun.com/
http://de.technomages.net/
http://www.vectrace.com/
http://www.kaliko.com/
http://www.motionstudios.de/
http://www.pulsarinteractive.com/
http://www.matay.pl/
Bitterweet http://www.math.uic.edu/~culler/
http://www.gabrielhauber.com/
Less public, but with a little digging:
http://www.e-d-i-v-i-s-i-o-n.com/
http://www.vpltd.com/
http://www.phatrepublic.co.uk/
http://www.unsatisfactory.freeserve.co.uk/
http://www.kindsoftware.com/products/opensource/SmallEiffel/
And some people from tao-group and offcourse amiga.com ;-)
I bet NDA developers know some more...
acg>
>Why did Amiga want to demonstrate its wares under Microsofts tent?
Because M$ asked them to and perhaps they got something to show.
I also think AI takes it as a good publicity. We should not worry about it.
Amigan Software>
>Amiga should concentrate on developing AmigaOS, not AmigaDE.
AmigaOS would not keep them alive.
About the SDK, I've understood it so that there will be two kinds of Amiga SDKs, one for "bedroom" coders and the other for "hardcore" coders. ;)
So those were mainly my opinnions and thoughts, so please do not get offended.
I hope there was once again a bit of good information there somewhere, for someone.
People really should stop moaning and get their ass on the move and help taking things forward. EVERYONE can help.
r.
priest
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 37 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Ri*Dler on 02-Mar-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (redrumloa):
Tao didn't stop supplying Intent to other parties the minute they signed the deal to supply Amiga. However the confusion here seems to be that people don't understand what Intent is and what DE is.
Anyway the wider deployment of Intent can only be a good thing for DE in the long term.
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 38 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 02-Mar-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (priest):
priest typed:
> People really should stop moaning and get their ass on the
> move and help taking things forward. EVERYONE can help.
My thoughts, priest, no offense, but WHY? Why is this a cause that we should all rally around? For volunteer work I would like to be politically active, and build bridges in war-torn Middle East and central Asia, and be environmentally active and so on, but why should we rally around a handheld development firm with a record of deceptive marketing?
If our interest is in carrying on the historical Amiga platform that we love, there are other groups that represent that platform better than Amiga Inc.
If TAO is now offering their own multimedia development kit and leaving Amiga Inc. out in the cold, well AInc made their bed let them sleep in it. I mean I hope the individuals at AInc are personally successful in their lives and have no ill will towards them in that way, but should I root for this business plan of theirs like it is my hometown team? Heck, no! I don't understand why you do.
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 39 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 02-Mar-2002 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Daniel Miller):
>If TAO is now offering their own multimedia development kit and leaving Amiga
>Inc. out in the cold, well AInc made their bed let them sleep in it
Amiga Inc. is not the only company developing new APIs (2D, sound, 3D, GUI) for intent (statement made by Juergen Haage). TAO doesn't really care how much others there are. They get licensee fees for every sold Amiga SDK and I think also for every sold app distributed by Amiga. Amiga is just a distributor for games/apps. If they hadn't AmigaDE as their "standard" there won't be many developers signing the SDA.
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 40 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 02-Mar-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Amigan Software):
> I thought digital said they were not going to mount cover CDs.
They aren't, usually.
>Also by the way does anyone know whether they continued the AmigActive >Warp3D series into digital?
No. They've been running an intent programming tutorial since issue 1, though.
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 41 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 02-Mar-2002 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Daniel Miller):
"WHY? Why is this a cause that we should all rally around?"
Because helping Amiga Inc creating the next generation Amiga would benefit YOU. It's a simple logic that complies with the human self-preservation instincts.
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 42 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 02-Mar-2002 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Samface):
"Because helping Amiga Inc creating the next generation Amiga would benefit YOU. It's a simple logic that complies with the human self-preservation instincts."
Bullshit. Selv-preservation, where do you get your words from!? Pathetic! Which logic do you use to figure out that Amiga Inc is going to deliver this NG Amiga?? Haven't you got a sence of historical perspective man? Aros has already created something spectacular. The morphos team too. Amiga Inc? I just hope they sell all their Amiga rights to Hyperion and get on with it. They can create PDA/other Boxes under a different name.
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 43 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 02-Mar-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (m0ns00n):
Spectacular? You call reverse engineering a 10 years or so old OS which fits on not more than 5 880kb formatted disks spectacular? Wanna know what I think is spectacular? That is turning a completely dead company which has been sold out and gone bancrupt at several occasions through the last 5 years into a promising business with TAO, Sharp, Nokia and even the multi-billion business company M$ as their partners. Compare that with your local pizza restaurant...
MorphOS, AROS... The Amiga community finally cought up with the WinUAE users and you call that spectacular? *sigh*
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 44 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Mar-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Samface):
How the hell will DEad help anyone but "The Name" and developers? They are in it for the money and not for the Amiga Community (sorry, Kommunity in Fleecy speak). The more sheep (and I don't mean their scriptive language) they have following, the better it is for them financially.
I'm all for making a buck, but it's something else to hype/spin/BS the group of people you claim to be apart of. Had Amino owners been apart of the Mac Scene, just how many from the Amiga Community (both users and developers) would be developing for DEad because it's "cool?" Had Amino bought out say, Apple's trademarks, how many of you cheerleaders would be here, because DEad has a Apple logo on it; to supporting DEad? Remember now, the main excuse of supporting DEad that is clearly not an Amiga OS is because it's "cool." So it shouldn't matter if they had a Apple logo on it instead, would the cheerleaders be prosiltizing (sp) DEad still because it's so damn cool? I highly doubt it.
Dammy
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 45 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 02-Mar-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (dammy):
I see money in their partnerships and all but, how could you possibly think there is money in the Amiga community? Do you really think they're making money out of lying to the Amiga community? Tell me, what's their motive for lying to the community when there's absolutely no profit in it and at the same time they don't care about the community?
What's that red flashing light over there? Oh, it's just the "get a reality check" indicator...
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 46 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Mar-2002 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Samface):
If you would take off those rose tinted glasses, you may find out what that flash of light is all about. The only way "The Name" is going to be able to market DEad is by showing it has existing grassroot support with developers and users. That is why they are using the Amiga Community.
I'd still like to know if it had a Apple logo on DEad, would you still be as shrilled supporter?
Dammy
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 47 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 02-Mar-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Daniel Miller):
> My thoughts, priest, no offense, but WHY? Why is this a cause that we
> should all rally around?
Why?! Perhaps to have a SOLID company behind Amiga(OS)?! Do you miss the years in which Amiga was going through hands again and again, without any certainty? Me not. Could nameless 3rd parties sustain it being live? Hardly. (In fact, not even themselves.) It was rather a slow dying. (Open-sourcing won't do miracles, either, I think, without backing.)
Besides, if you think AmigaOS is something useful, you wouldn't wonder there are plans with it, too. Besides, the DE will be integrated into it later, making it even more useful.
> If our interest is in carrying on the historical Amiga platform that we love,
> there are other groups that represent that platform better than Amiga Inc.
In YOUR OPINION!
Besides, a "historical Amiga platform"...? I don't want something to set up in a museum, but something powerful, useful and friendly, to use everyday.
> I mean I hope the individuals at AInc are personally successful in their
> lives and have no ill will towards them in that way, but should I root for
> this business plan of theirs like it is my hometown team? Heck, no! I don't
> understand why you do.
Oh, well, I didn't thought it is as much hard to understand.
Think about developers needing incomes. AInc. provides a new market for them (while helps to consolidate the existing one, as well), enabling them to not to have to leave the Amiga market all-together... Besides, most users (other than the limited-numbered hardcore core) naturally needs a solid company with a known brand behind, who have to take pesponsibility of its own market, and so on.
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 48 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 02-Mar-2002 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (dammy):
> I'd still like to know if it had a Apple logo on DEad, would you still
> be as shrilled supporter?
Perhaps. It is going to have interesting and promising new features I'd like to take use of. Even better if I can use it the same time with a new AmigaOS.
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 49 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 02-Mar-2002 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (dammy):
So, Amiga Inc is using the Amiga community for marketing, and your point is? I mean tell me, what's so bad about it? Does it offend you to be called a supporter of the Amiga community?
Oh just face it, the next generation Amiga won't be a 68090@5GHz with AGA3. The old classic Amiga hardware is *dead*. The early ninetees is over and we simply have to move on. Since the AmigaOS is still classic Amiga hardware dependant while the hardware itself is dead, we have to move to a new platform. The transition towards PPC was already started by Phase5 a few years back and today people are even looking at alternatives like x86. You know what would be the ultimate solution to all this? A hardware independant OS. It's something new, it's something fresh, it's something innovative, it's simply so Amiga. That's what the DE is all about. The PDA/set-top box market is just the first step towards a completely different goal, AmigaDE everywhere.
Tell me, if you were the CEO of Amiga inc, what would your vision of the next generation Amiga be?
Tao release free intent SDK with Digital Magazine : Comment 50 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 02-Mar-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Samface):
IF you start to talk ****** please get your facts straight. There would never have been anything called AGA3. The way to go was AAA and then _maybe_ hombre.
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