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Posted on 12-Mar-2002 15:56 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä20 comments
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Dave Haynie's selling some Amiga-related collector's items through eBay again. Read more below.

Hi All-

If you're a collector of Amiga junk, junque, or rarities, tune into eBay this week, and search for "HGS:", look up my account "hazydave", or click here: [the link]

I'm selling some more Amiga things, a few bits that weren't paid for in the previous auctions, etc. Posting is kind of a time drain, so I'm only expecting to put up a few per day, for the week, then that's probably it for a long time. If you're a collector, or know one, give 'em a friendly "heads up".

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Dave Haynie | dhaynie@jersey.net | Finally NTSC-Free with HDTV!
Chief Toady | Frog Pond Media | Audio/Video/Hardware/Software Consulting

Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 1 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Phlegem on 12-Mar-2002 15:17 GMT
HOW THE F**K is this news? Why is it that when I posted a story yesterday about the G4 getting it's ass kicked by an 18 month old Pentium III (complete with referring URL on the register and a proper summary) it gets deleted, but when Dave Haynies sells sh*t he stole when he was working at Commodore on ebay, THAT'S okay? Is it really of benefit to the Amiga community to help Haynie sell his crap and turn a tidy profit?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 15:24 GMT
One post was about advocating CPU superiority with a single bench, the other one is about having a chance to get some Amiga collectors.
Which one is the most Amiga related ?
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 3 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Mar-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Phlegem):
One is 'politically correct', the other is not.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 4 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Mar-2002 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Phlegem):
*EXTREMELY RARE* one of a kind or prototype Amiga hardware being sold by one of the best known and respected Commodore/Amiga hardware developers *IS* news, it is of interest to any true Amigan.
Biased speculation of cpu performance between a P3 system and a G4 system based on a very poor and incomplete so called benchmark test is not Amiga news. Show me one Amiga MB that uses a G4! Don't say 'but Amiga will use a G4'. That's irrelevant, it doesn't exist now. Once there is a Amiga MB using a G4, then maybe a *comprehensive* test can be conducted.
Besides on the subject of so called G4 poor performance. The performance of a CPU largely is dependant on the MB it is used in. Come on you X86 lovers you know this! Compare a generic Socket A board, or even a Ali-Magic's benchmarks with a Via reference board. BIG difference in performance.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 5 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Mar-2002 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Typical anonymous comment.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 6 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Mar-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Actually I could respect that 'opinion' if there was a named or nick attached to it. But when it is done anonymously it is obvious you are just trying to stir the waters. I'd expect Darklite to say this, and I probably wouldn't even bother to respond since I know where he is comming from.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 7 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by John McKenzie on 12-Mar-2002 16:56 GMT
They are Amiga items. They are for sale. We would not know of their availablity if it not for this posting. That pretty much defines Amiga news.
Biased benchmarks, made by a website famous for posting rumours as gospel truth, is not news, just flamebait. As I recall, someone in the comments section, when it was still up, posted to other links from the Register showing the G4's great superority. That means they were just posting a story for the shock and surprise value.
And anyone who has seen real world side by side comparison tests, would have just laughed at that article.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 8 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Jules on 12-Mar-2002 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (redrumloa):
I totally disagree with this. If the headlines had been "G4 Trounces Pentium in Latest Benchmarks" there is no way the post would have got deleted, irrespective of whether a G4 Amiga was available or not. The sad fact of the matter is that there are too many people in the Amiga community these days who don't want to look at what they don't want to see, and don't want to listen to what they don't want to hear. It's a shame that some of you don't take a backstep for a mo. and see that the stance you are currently taking is identical to that taken by 'the x86 PC user' during the true Amiga days, many years ago. Whether the benchmarks are valid or not, you don't ever get a balanced view of the world looking at it from one side only (and that cuts both ways in in more fields than just computers).
Before anyone asks, I do own and use 2 Amigas (A4000 and A1200) as well as using a PC at work (so no accusations of being a blind, biased PC user not worthy of being on this list please).
Rgds
Jules
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 9 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Jules):
"If the headlines had been "G4 Trounces Pentium in Latest Benchmarks" there is no way the post would have got deleted, irrespective of whether a G4 Amiga was available or not."
I would have deleted it.
This register post made a lot of noise on Mac sites. Some of them already riposted and you will see on such sites new benchmarks that show PPC superioroty.
If anyone post such a thing I will delete it as soon as I see it.
I didn't delete any of the Amithlon posts that was saying the fastest Amiga ...
Amithlon was a new product and one major feature of Amithlon is to run 68k RTG apps fast. That was news.
If tomorrow I get news about the pegasos and some features like fast JIT, fastest Amiga ever I will let the post as we did for Amithlon
If someone tries to post multiple time this kind of news just to show how MorphOS/Amithlon is faster I will delete it.
Do you see how it can be difficult to judge the post ?
I thought the first Darklite post was kind of provocating so it didn't took too long before I took the decision to delete it.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 10 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Mar-2002 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (redrumloa):
Why is an opinion worth less if someone wishes to remain anonymous? I'm not a criminal just because I'd like to air my views. I simply don't want my inbox being clogged with flame mail, that's all. I stand by my views. Feel free to attack those views if you disagree with them, but please don't attack my right to anonymous free speech. I'm sure there must be something about that in the Bills of Rights somewhere..
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 11 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Anonomys on 12-Mar-2002 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
You're confusing Free Speech with the "right" to post your speeches here on this privately owned website. Free Speech doesn't apply here.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 12 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Jules on 12-Mar-2002 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Christophe Decanini):
In fairness I didn't see the original comment by Darklite so can't comment as to it's nature. My respnse was in part to the comment:
"Show me one Amiga MB that uses a G4! Don't say 'but Amiga will use a G4'. That's irrelevant, it doesn't exist now."
I was also basing my argument on many the many previous posings from TheRegister of this ilk remaining uncensored on ANN (e.g. a certain one in the not too distant past with reference to Steve Jobs at a conference). The only common factor I've seen is that this is fine so long as it fits in with what people want to see as a whole. If you are honestly saying that a Register post claiming that the G4 is faster than a Pentium would genuinely have been deleted, well, fair enough. Based on previous history this has not been the case, but going forward I suppose the proof of the pudding will be in the eating .....
> Do you see how it can be difficult to judge the post ?
As an observation, perhaps you shouldn't be judging posts and censoring in such a manner. Perhaps you should be restricting censorship to targetting abusive behaviour or totally non Amiga related subjects (qualified with clear guidlines). As far as the G4 is concerned, there are many people who feel it is very relevant to the Amiga seing as it appears to be the current path touted by AmigaOne, Mediator, Pegasos etc. As far as I am concerned, it is every bit as relevant to the Amiga as the AmigaDE, if not moreso. For example, AmigaDE to me is nothing more than a name sharing product that may generate the parent company some working capital whereas to many others my concept is rubbish and DE is Gods gift. Point I'm trying to make is that 'relevant posts' are generally relevant to an individual or group and not necessarily to the whole; Your notion of censorship maybe valid to you but may end up removing a post of interest and deemed relevant by a significant proportion (albeit not necessarily the majority) other than you.
Rgds
Jules
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 13 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Jules on 12-Mar-2002 18:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
To be honest, I personally don't think a view posted anonymously is generally worth less as a whole (I still read 'em and respond one way or the other where I see fit). The only problem has been that so many people have abused this and posted abusive messages and flamebait. I personally also tend (admittedly maybe wrongly) to look at people who post anonymously as not really having the courage of their convictions, and demonstrating this by not wanting to reveal who they are. I'm guessing that there are others who think along these lines as well.
Rgds
Jules
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 14 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Mar-2002 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
>I'm not a criminal just because I'd like to air my views. I simply don't want >my inbox being clogged with flame mail, that's all
You don't have to give your email address. Look at this post. you see my nick 'redrumloa' no email address. I sometimes post with email addy(including spam block), but usually I don't bother. Most people who frequent Amiga forums will recognize my nick. If your opinion has any weight, associate it with a nick name and ALWAYS use that nickname.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 15 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 12-Mar-2002 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (redrumloa):
I fail to see your point, to me redrumloa is just as anonymous as "ANONYMOUS"... just because you use that nick doesn't mean your views are worth any more than somebody who remains anonymous. Admittedly, a lot of people do use anonymous postings just as flame bait, but then whats to stop somebody from using your nick instead?
Cheers,
Ian
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 16 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Mar-2002 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ian Shurmer):
I use the same nick everytime. Ask in Dalnet #AmigaIRC, they know me. Ask CK or most of the people who frequent here,
they know me. Ask most people on Amiga.org, they know redrumloa. Need I go on?
There is a difference between this and 'anonymous' which usually follows with mindless
flames. Besides, I have never hidden the fact who I am. Let me reiterate.
Jim Farley
Dania Beach, FL
amigaguy@removeme.bellsouth.net
You could be faking your name and email, someone could fake mine. Usually the
ip will show the fakes. The main thing here is MOST people who hide behind an
anonymous nick aren't Raplh enough;-)
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 17 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Mar-2002 08:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (redrumloa):
Well, I'll admit that many of my comments are provocative... but that's the general idea, it stimulates debate :-) I don't provide any name etc in order to avoid my email box being flamed, otherwise I'd happily put my name in there. I don't mind being flamed on a public board, I just like to keep my inbox flame-free.
I still feel my original view has weight, though... if the original post had been about G4's outperforming x86, I doubt it would have been deleted. But processor speeds are relevant because it helps us know whether our CPUs are competitive. We're not onto a winner if we're attached to hardware that is behind in the game. And that's whether independent, objective performance benchmarks come into the game.
BTW: My views are not intended to upset anyone, and I apologise if anyone feels offended. However, I make no apologises for being controversial. You can't have a debate without controversary.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 18 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Steven L. Croucher esq on 13-Mar-2002 08:14 GMT
Dave Hayne must be short of money to keep selling this stuff off.
On the other hand, he's a smart guy in that he knows Amiga people will buy any crap. Perhaps I'll put my CD32 dev kits up on eBay.
Attention Amiga collectors : Comment 19 of 20ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 13-Mar-2002 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Christophe Decanini):
More power to DH, for whatever reasons he's selling. (Notice the relistings; at least 2 of 3 were things he intended to sell before the economy went sour-er, and if *my* place is crammed with psuedo-collectible now-useless hardware, I can only imagine what his looks like - On that note, anyone want a busted-apart Gavilan, or some bubble memory cartridges for same*? ;))
Unfortunately, I've got to chime in on the Reg PPC article [http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/24358.html] thread- the presentation was bad IIRC, but the news- that C't, not The Reg, who were just covering the story- ran SPEC CPU2000 on a G4 and P3, and got very poor FP results- was sound enough. It suggests what we might have known- without a yet-to-appear? good compiler (which RedHat may have just contracted with Motorola to provide via GCC- someone might've had something to say about PPC/Altivec support in GCC 3.x if this had been open for discussion here), or platform-specific tweaks, and bogged down by OS X, PPC MHz numbers are roughly comparable to Intel's.
This is bad journalism? If anything, it's interesting to hear that the 1GHz G4 'held its own' in the integer test (better than a Via C3 would perform, if we compare potentially fanless to potentially fanless), and it's fairly important news from a DE perspective- if Tao or Amiga don't rig up a translator that automagically uses SIMD under the current system, and Tao doesn't show up with a VP3, we'll probably be seeing the same performance on Amiga PPC hardware- I have a feeling we'll be swapping Display PDF (Aqua? Cocoa?) overhead for translator overhead, which is, of course, a good bargain in the grand scheme of things. The DE still offers the opportunity for optimized/native binaries, though it'll be a shame if this'll put all the focus on necessary, potentially hand-coded, PPC opts rather than their VP counterparts.
If I sound a bit chagrined about this- the article was modded out between the time I first loaded ANN that morning, and the time I refreshed before following up. Being utterly lazy, I didn't dig it up on the Reg myself until now.
Really, SPEC (http://www.specbench.org) deserves some credit. Their benchmarks are pretty impartial (vs., say, some of the old Ziff Davis benchmarks that would add/subtract points based on CPUID and such things), have shown PPCs in a favorable light before- at a point when they *were* ahead of the pack- and in this case, they've shed light on a bottleneck (whether it's the CPU or compiler remains to be seen) that we probably can't ignore out of existence (unless it turns out to be a known GCC issue, anyway).
Random footnotes that I couldn't weave into the above:
Among Reg authors, Andrew Orlowski seems to be a relatively sane voice, while all the Mac-rumors-that-never-come-true hav been attributed to Tony Smith- maybe he's a psuedonym the crazy stuff gets filed under..?
*The Gavilan was one of the first laptops, and the company was said to have invented the term. In theory, none were ever sold- in practice, I think their warehouseful made it to the surplus market- either way, I was surprised to find one, even if it was in 20 pieces. See, portable computing nuts really do exist. ;)
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Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 13-Mar-2002 12:25 GMT
Is Dave actually selling stuff this time or just testing the market value again for insurance purposes?
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