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[News] AmigaOne news updateANN.lu
Posted on 15-Mar-2002 18:41 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä141 comments
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Eyetech have released a detailed update on the status of AmigaOne. Boards targetted at developers, dealers and beta testers can be preordered now here. These ship with LinuxPPC. Full volume production should start in May alongside AmigaOS4.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 101 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Shawn on 17-Mar-2002 04:34 GMT
Have a HAPPPY EASTER as I more then likely wont be in here.
Saw the posts.
The idiots are attacking Bill for no reason and then jumping the gun by saying that Dave,Ryan , Joe , and Karl are morons. Well lets hope they have learned their lesson. The site he ,(Bill) was talking about is http://amigaone.f2g.net/
I can only hope the best for all true Amigains and AMIGA itself.
GOd Bless
Shawn I
Here endth The Lesson
AmigaOne news update : Comment 102 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 17-Mar-2002 04:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Anonymous):
So you meant Dave Haynie ? Didn't know that.
Theirs only one little problem.
When Dave was asked how a new Zorro-Bus would look like
if he did it today "pretty much like PCI" was his answer.
So he doesn't agree with you, and i'm sure same goes for
the others you mentioned. And Zorro was only introduced
because ISA doesn't have Autoconfig and a lot of IRQ-
probs, but the way the actual data is moved is the same
as on every other parallel bus.
UNIX <=> multiple processors ? Short history lesson:
The AmigaOS was developed on 68000 based Sage-computers.
These maschines had one cpu, very basic components and
ran UNIX as its main OS. There was no blitter no copper
or whatever. Maybe there was a extra CPU in the keyboard
but thats all.
>It will be great for me to leave and a sad occasion for you
>becasue again you will loose somebody great.
Yeah somebody great fun !!
>...made no proof and never went to shawns site as asked...
Been there and it was great fun too.
No real infos on that site, but really great fun.
Btw: Where's the G3-Card for my A2000??
AmigaOne news update : Comment 103 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 17-Mar-2002 04:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Shawn):
Just took a closer look at
http://amigaone.f2g.net/
And wow!!
The shiny old Blizzard2060 i just sold for as little as
250Euro isn't intented to be put in an A2000 at all! No
it an "Risc Card for the A4000T" and costs $1500. Damm
if had known that before.
And on the right side its "Risc Video Card and the G4".
And i though it was a CSPPC with a 060 + 604 on it and without
CVPPC.
But speaking of G4, does that mean you also got a G4-Card for
my A2000 ontop of that G3 you claimed.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 104 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Shawn I on 17-Mar-2002 04:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (ehaines):
NO you are a lier Haines and here is the proof. Dave said that pci agp was the short term soultion and not a real solution and that I was right we called and agreed on that and that is what I agree on evn though I dont call it a solution.
DAVE said and I quote "THe pci/agp is a emmulated (fake) 64bit with no real-time." RYan conversed this to me as he whole heartly agreed. I have never said the pci wast faster. If you had twice as much "bandwidth" you would be faster too. Even Ryan said somebody isnt on the right track or is on the "ball". %^)
Much less the chips redering faster, but dam as we all agreed that the pcs nor the macs can compare yet to the AMIGA in graphics.
The current model of (personal) computer architecture is based around the
“shared bus” philosophy. There is a central device, the Northbridge, that
is the true heart of the system and which every device in the system plugs
into. This includes the CPU via the front-side bus, system memory via the
memory bus, usually graphics via AGP, expansion via PCI and all I/O in the
form of the Southbridge (which was until recently just a PCI device itself).
This model uses multiple bus architectures that are incompatible with one
another. Aside from the difficulties inherent in this, it also makes it
difficult for a machine to scale well. The largest drawback, however, is
that the various busses easily become saturated. For example, a typical
Southbridge includes an EIDE ATA/100 controller and USB controller (in
addition to the other myriad devices). These two devices alone are require
more bandwidth than the PCI bus is capable of sustaining. With the
inclusion of FireWire, Ultra2 SCSI (let alone Ultra160 and Ultra320) and
audio it quickly becomes evident that the current shared-bus architecture
design methodology is inadequate and will only get worse as these peripheral
technologies improve. I won’t even discuss how bad it will get for video if
it continues to reside on AGP. -Ryan
Second my website has gotten great reviews and I suppose giving reverence to 911 is stupid and laughable. I have listed posts that people have emailed me on why AMIGA is better .
Now you called me on it and as always you speak with nothing comming out. Sorry Ryan and DAVe I had to respond to this in defense of myself. I know you said dont respond to the idiots but just his one more time. This will alwasys stand as a response to the stupid chatter that goes on .
AmigaOne news update : Comment 105 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Shawn on 17-Mar-2002 04:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Kronos):
I can have a g3 for my A2000, and no they arent avaible any more for the 2000 unless as a special order. The G3 604e are still sprinkling out. On a special order I can get you a G4.
Oh yeah when you convert lbs sterling or euro to american its about $700. I update my prices as soon as I get updates from my vendors. Ever heard of a dealer trying to make a profit? %^)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 106 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Shawn on 17-Mar-2002 05:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Kronos):
So you meant Dave Haynie ? Didn't know that.
Theirs only one little problem.
When Dave was asked how a new Zorro-Bus would look like
if he did it today "pretty much like PCI" was his answer.
THat was back then and even then it wouldnt have the limits that pci and agp have now -other comment.
It woulnt be limited to 16bit it would (will be)have been true 128bit and not conflicts that still occur in pci and agp.
You can have it look like one but its function is totally differnt.
No not a new one it would be totaly differnt not of bus design
In that he did agree with me. PCi is limited to 16bit bus width per each
bus pathway
So he doesn't agree with you, and i'm sure same goes for
the others you mentioned.
Never ddi you mention or read the other one.
And Zorro was only introduced
because ISA doesn't have Autoconfig and a lot of IRQ-
probs, but the way the actual data is moved is the same
as on every other parallel bus.
UNIX <=> multiple processors ? Short history lesson:
The AmigaOS was developed on 68000 based Sage-computers.
These maschines had one cpu, very basic components and
ran UNIX as its main OS. There was no blitter no copper
or whatever. Maybe there was a extra CPU in the keyboard
but thats all.
It has and was based on the Real unix and since has ben improved upon to multitask. Im not disagreeing with you on the Sage computer at all.
The real history lesson try and multitask on one with lineal design. You cant. Unix was and is based on a System with a multitasking not a single or lineal design.
>It will be great for me to leave and a sad occasion for you
>becasue again you will loose somebody great.
Yeah somebody great fun !!
How can I respond to that either way i do you will destroy the true meaning. How in the hell do you know what DAVE and Ryan said to me I was on the phone for over an hour with Ryan first to fix the miscomunication I had with Dave and
then Ryan told me how and what dave said and that he agreed with me after i explained it again to Ryan via the phone. Ryan also agreed and emailed me the what I put up. PLus some other stuff.
Summary to make it clear and concise as possible so that I may not to argue with you .
PCI and AGP is a short term solution becasue of the speed increase and the improvment of the chips,plus the majority of cards that are out there .
This by no means makes it better or the final answer. Im working on one with a company in California. THis DAVe Ryan and the rest agreed with me on. If it was the great answer Then zorro wouldnt be around at all becasue we still have conflicts with the "second generation" isa cards called pci and agp.
>...made no proof and never went to shawns site as asked...
Been there and it was great fun too.
No real infos on that site, but really great fun.
How can I respond to that becasue you dint go to my site and read the whole thing. Info on why people dont like pci or agp or the info On G4. Updated users of AMIGas. WEll look again and be open becasue ther is alot of info there. Nothing liek the newspaper ,but then again this isnt a news site.
Btw: Where's the G3-Card for my A2000?? read next comment
AmigaOne news update : Comment 107 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 17-Mar-2002 05:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Shawn):
The 604(e) is a G2 CPU just like the 603, while the 601 is the G1
(Generation 1). When i talk about a G3 i mean the one in Apples
G3-System or on the A1.5. The only PPC-Card that was developed for
the A2000 was the 2604 by Phase5 and was based on the CSPPC, but
newer made it into production and off course it only had a G2(604)
CPU.Every other G3-update planned ever since also failed to make
into production.
If Dave really said he could have done something better than AGP
by now (at resonable costs)it just shows he isn't some kind of
god but a mortal just like all of use (but i still doubt he said
it in the first place).
The Sage-computer had multitasking and this was done by the 68k
on its own, it even ran all the Exec-betas. Exec-multitasking
does in no way relly on any specific Amiga-HW, but on features
off the 68k. These features made the 68k superior to the 8088
and 80286 of that time. An Intel 80386SX running in "real mode"
offered the same features only years later.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 108 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Shawn on 17-Mar-2002 05:58 GMT
Its just not worth responding to he wont belive so whocares. The facts are Im right. JUSt learn thats all
AmigaOne news update : Comment 109 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 17-Mar-2002 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Bill Malone):
Sure AmigaOne has G3 and PCi and AGP like MA, but it wont make it MAC clone. Or what do you say abput this. I lohged in to Cisco 2500 series router yeasterday and I noticed that it has 68030 CPU. Are you saying Cisco router is Amiga-clone because it has 030 ? :)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 110 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 17-Mar-2002 07:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Bill):
If computer uses PPC does not make it MAC.If computer has AGP and PCI does not make it PC nor MAC. those are insdustry standard parts not parts of any specific platform. Sime of you guys don't seem to understand that if you build computer using industry standard parts then all computers are more or less similar when you look features. Motherboard design, architecture and logics etc aren't nesessarily similar. And Apple isn't the onlyone who do use PPC CPU's. PPC is not same as Apple. Some of you guys still seem to think that Amiga is Amiga only if it has customchipset and keyavoard case :P I can only say grow up, shut up and stop whining. We wabted new Amiga with industry standard parts and that's what AmigaOne is, so what the hell the problem is with you guys ?
AmigaOne news update : Comment 111 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 17-Mar-2002 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Anonymous):
Do I have to reply to millions of these bullshit posts ? AGP PCI etc is not any PC-technology. What AmigaOne has in motherboard is industrystandard parts.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 112 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 17-Mar-2002 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
>Some of you guys still....
Do you really think there is more than one person
posting (the same bullshit) frome the same IP ?
AmigaOne news update : Comment 113 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 17-Mar-2002 07:20 GMT
I wonder how many of those guys whining here are those who sayd all the time that AmigaOne will never be released. it seems to me that when Amigaone is now getting wery close to release, those guys are getting more and more desperate. Can't you just admit that you were wrong ?
AmigaOne news update : Comment 114 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by THE_Editor on 17-Mar-2002 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
Who cares who's right or wrong ... The proofs in the eating .. & the pudding is almost ready.
If you dont like the flavour ( or packaging ) DONT buy it !! No-one is forcing anyone to.
I DO like what I have read about the new machine, I WILL be buying one. Im gonna PIG OUT BIG TIME. Max chlohesterol ... Full fat ... Heart attack material. Just watch Mac/Pc users jaws drop when we get games/apps optimised for OUR system running at half the speed their cpu is rated at. (that speed comment'll make the flames burn brighter .. ha ha .. just luv it !!)
Paul ... Peterborough .. Uk
( The city where your Amigas used to get sent when they needed repairing)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 115 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 17-Mar-2002 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
Not "those guys" - one guy writing from the same (only slightly changing) IP-
adress (216.128.129...) If there are several of them (Bill, Shawn and the others)
sitting at the same computer chatting away, they sure all seem to have the
exact same vocabulary and grammar characteristics...
.
SlimJim
AmigaOne news update : Comment 116 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 17-Mar-2002 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (THE_Editor):
Sorry ........ Clicked reply to comment instead of ADD new comment ..
Oooops. Hey shit ....... Im Human
AmigaOne news update : Comment 117 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Roccati on 17-Mar-2002 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (amigammc):
> I don't care what you've "heared" (sic), Chris, I had the AmigaOne
> motherboard in my hands in two occasions, something sad individuals
> like you will never admit possible
And who you are to be more believable than all those who said the same
things about the Boxer or even iWin?
> As fot the "two more years" that's you pure speculation, you have no
> contact whatsoever with Eyetech or any other entity developing new
> HW/SW in the Amiga community, your comments are nothing more than
> FUD.
If you were an insider as you pretend to be, you'd know far better
than this...
> > Yet, six months ago, everybody sweared on his own soul that
> > amigaone was almost ready and it would cost less than
> > $1000
> And everyone being rumors on ANN and some newsgroups? Give me a
> break. 6 Months ago I knew the price was going to be prohibite and 3
> months later I was told about the new direction Eyetech was taking. If
> you like believing in rumors suit yourself, but don't come here
> complaining if it turns out not to be true.
Everyone, for example, being yourself. I still have your emails about
how wrong I was about the delays of the AmigaONE...
> Eyetech has never *EVER* given a price publicly on the AmigaOne until
> now.
They didn't. but their followers did a lot of spin control...
AmigaOne news update : Comment 118 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
no ,look at it, exact same archtiecture as the mac. thats what im talking about. open your eyes.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 119 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
whatever . you wouldnt know the truth if it came out of your own arse.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 120 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
yes it is. the pc was the first to market that design on a large scale. MAc copied it and put a ppc on it .The so called Amigaone is a "atx motherboard" with a ppc chip -just like a mac -mac clone.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 121 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Bill same for the previous ones on 17-Mar-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Kronos):
Thats becasue ther is stupid ass Lie. I said befor the isp was and is a isp I posted from my friend with a dsl line so it isnt shawn who inst using a dsl line the last time I asked. You posted the wrong Ip address when I went to dial up heheh shows how much you know. SO whatever he posts his name I can see why he doesnt do that the stupid idiots that are in here can get the idea that when shit stinks it stinks .
AmigaOne news update : Comment 122 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (THE_Editor):
Just watch Mac/Pc users jaws drop when we get games/apps optimised for OUR system running at half the speed their cpu is rated at.
that wont happen
AmigaOne news update : Comment 123 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Yeah.Me@again. on 17-Mar-2002 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Anonymous):
Who gives a dead rats arse if it is a Mac clone ? Fact is .. its gonna run AMIGAOS .. That makes it an AMIGA ...
Im pretty sure that as more apps come on "stream" Mac users will start to look at our O/s with envy, and maybe buy it and install on their Macs, turning them into AMIGAS.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 124 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by BIll on 17-Mar-2002 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (SlimJim):
Slim boy I had paul write for me and you still think its shawn and off hisip which is what you idoits kep posting in the room. Wrong ip, its pauls so far off its not even funny . Remeber what ann said , Shawn is from a dynamic ip and its always differnt when he logs in to email me so you cant say its shawn for sure.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 125 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (The_Editor):
WE all are
AmigaOne news update : Comment 126 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 17-Mar-2002 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (BIll):
Yeah. Whatever.
.
SlimJim
AmigaOne news update : Comment 127 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 17-Mar-2002 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (BIll):
Shawn, your different IPs always resolve to the same goddamn ISP. Do your friends share the microcephalic space inside your cranium, or are they patients at the same psychiatric ward as you?
BTW, how will your dear Merlancia designed computers be more "real" Amigas than the motherboards Eyetech are distributing? Ryan clearly states they'll use PCI and AGP, and there's no sign of your "Zorro VII" pipe dream.
If your phone conversations with Czerwinski and Haynie actually happened in the same dimension as the rest of us live in, then I'm not surprised they agreed with you. I'd also agree with whatever an obvious nutcase I never met before would scream over the phone. In our dimension, Haynie has already rejected your lunatic ravings regarding Zorro and PCI/AGP right here on ANN IIRC. ANN doesn't (yet) allow searching in comments, but it's there.
I remember seeing in an older thread that you had told Christian Kemp that you would refrain from posting here any further. Please stick to that.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 128 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 17-Mar-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Seehund):
BtW: Merlancia newer planed to design their computer
by themselves. They have (had ??) a contract with
BPlan that would allow them to use the Pegasos-design.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 129 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall on 17-Mar-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
I agree. Cisco routers also use PPC chips, but I wouldn't call them
PowerMacs. Actually certain models of firewall use x86 chips and have
PCI buses, but by no stretch of the imagination would I call them PC
clones.
Some people are obviously just nuts and have no grounding in the real
world.
Andy
AmigaOne news update : Comment 130 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 17-Mar-2002 13:24 GMT
How many posts is 'The troll from the same IP trying to hind behind different names' going to post in here. News to troll, planet earth is under your feet. Look at it. NO, actually taste the dirt. Get to understand earth.
G4 accelerator for the A2000? Good lord this guy must not even own an Amiga.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 131 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by José on 17-Mar-2002 13:43 GMT
Bill even talked about OS4 and AmigaOne on the TechTV. I was really surprised!!
Shame the guy that was talking to him was an asss. When I posted that the more time passed the more I doubt Amiga is not just using the Community, I also said that those were my evident concerns (and some others apparently), and I'm glad I did, cause after listening to the MP3 I can say the I trust much more that Amiga is not just using the community, since he talked about OS4 and AmigaOne:)
Guess the hardcore coders are happy. Damn, I can't wait to learn more coding.
Cheers
AmigaOne news update : Comment 132 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 17-Mar-2002 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (redrumloa):
> G4 accelerator for the A2000? Good lord this guy must not even own
> an Amiga.
He claims to own an Amiga dealership. If that's true, I pity his
customers. It would also help explain the lack of Amiga users in
the U.S. He is so dumb he called the 604e a "G3" just a few
messages ago.
Hey Shawn/"Bill", look at how nobody is buying into your stupid
multiple-personality nonsense. EVERYONE is laughing at you. Your
website sucks dead donkeys and everyone says so.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 133 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 17-Mar-2002 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (José):
Yeah, if Amiga didn't care at all about the classic market, Bill would not have mentioned the AmigaOne and AmigaOS4 at all. He wanted to talk more about it - he seemed quite excited by the whole idea.
And AmigaAnywhere just looks like it rocks. Shame that Amiga didn't get a stand at CeBit to show it off, like the guys at Comdex AU did with spectacular success.
I honestly feel that the Amiga is going places again, both in the mass market (Windows PC, Linux PCs, PDAs, STBs, Phones, etc) and for the community with the AmigaOne and AmigaOS4. It is the sort of positive feeling you had when finding out that the A4000 rumours were true in 1992.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 134 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 17-Mar-2002 18:51 GMT
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh. I was enjoying this thread. No new Comments .. :-[
AmigaOne news update : Comment 135 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 17-Mar-2002 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Chris Roccati):
> I've heared similar things about the BOXER a lot of times, you know?
And it (so that people has hold it in his hands) was even true! There were the first version of BoXeR. It was effectively finished, just they couldn't start production because of missing AGA chips. Then there were the second version. The PCB has been effectively finished. It's "just" the logics in the programmable chips wasn't ready.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 136 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Radfoo on 18-Mar-2002 10:20 GMT
So whats a T05AC tower then? Will my A1200 fit in it as well as the PPC board?
AmigaOne news update : Comment 137 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 18-Mar-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (BIll):
>Slim boy I had paul write for me and you still think its shawn and off hisip
>which is what you idoits kep posting in the room. Wrong ip, its pauls so far
>off its not even funny . Remeber what ann said , Shawn is from a dynamic ip
>and its always differnt when he logs in to email me so you cant say its shawn
>for sure.
Names begin with a capital letter, "it is" is abbrivated to "it's" not "its", "hisips" is yet to be found in any English dictionary I know off, the same goes for "idoits" (I presume you're were talking about your multiple personalities as that would make it "idiots"), there shouldn't be a space before a period or a comma sign, I've yet to hear of a place called dynamic ip (and if it's a place it should be considered a name and thus it should be written as "Dynamic ip" or "Dynamic Ip", you've written "its" instead of "it's" again, "can not" or "cannot" is abbriviated to "can't" not "cant", and you should really spell "shawn" "Shawn" (i.e. with a capital) or "CHEIF IDIOT" (all capitals).
Go back to elementary school you dolt!
AmigaOne news update : Comment 138 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 18-Mar-2002 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Lennart Fridén):
Wouldn't it be "CHIEF IDIOT"?
AmigaOne news update : Comment 139 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 19-Mar-2002 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Since he can't spell, he probably can't read so what's the difference to him? ;-)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 140 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 19-Mar-2002 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Chris Roccati):
>And who you are to be more believable than all those who said the same
>things about the Boxer or even iWin?
You're a moron, 'nuff said
AmigaOne news update : Comment 141 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Clousseau on 19-Mar-2002 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Kronos):
Kronos wrote:
"Exec-multitasking does in no way relly on any specific Amiga-HW, but on features off the 68k."
That is not entirely true...
Exec-multitasking depends greatly on interrupts, all interupts are controlled by the 4703 (Paula) custom chip, except NonMaskableInterupt.
Cheers!
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