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[News] AmigaOne news updateANN.lu
Posted on 15-Mar-2002 18:41 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä141 comments
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Eyetech have released a detailed update on the status of AmigaOne. Boards targetted at developers, dealers and beta testers can be preordered now here. These ship with LinuxPPC. Full volume production should start in May alongside AmigaOS4.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 51 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 16-Mar-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Chris Roccati):
>I've heared similar things about the BOXER a lot of times, you know?
I don't care what you've "heared" (sic), Chris, I had the AmigaOne motherboard in my hands in two occasions, something sad individuals like you will never admit possible.
>Please don't take us as fools. We arent
I don't know about the others, I surely know you are very close to that
>Besides, they gave up because their own design because it would have
>taken atleast two more years to reach a working design...
And what the F**k did I say? Are you losing your reading skills again?
Can you read this?
>>they realized that the original project was gonna be very expensive
>>and much more time consuming than expected
As fot the "two more years" that's you pure speculation, you have no contact whatsoever with Eyetech or any other entity developing new HW/SW in the Amiga community, your comments are nothing more than FUD.
>Yet, six months ago, everybody sweared on his own soul that amigaone
>was almost ready and it would cost less than $1000
And everyone being rumors on ANN and some newsgroups? Give me a break. 6 Months ago I knew the price was going to be prohibite and 3 months later I was told about the new direction Eyetech was taking. If you like believing in rumors suit yourself, but don't come here complaining if it turns out not to be true.
Eyetech has never *EVER* given a price publicly on the AmigaOne until now.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 52 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Mar-2002 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Thomas):
"The Amiga has never been a killer hardware platform."
The A1000 was.
It also cost twice as much as the AmigaOne, as did the A2000, A3000
and A4000 when they were introduced. (The A2000 went down in price at
the end of its life.)
No doubt Eyetech could make more impressive hardware for 2400UKP or
thereabouts, but they wouldn't sell many machines.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 53 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by THE_Editor on 16-Mar-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (AmiTroll):
Yes, all this technology is strange .......... Its a NEW AMIGA ... Woo Hoo.
Scratch me down for one.
Paul ..Peterborough ..Uk
(Official Lover of Monaros & all that Jive)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 54 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 16-Mar-2002 14:41 GMT
The first run on the A1.5 comes with a 600mhz G3.Why are people moaning
about it?So what if it's soldered.I work for a 3d animation company,and
a majority of our machines are 500mhz P3's(we need to upgrade).This is fast
enough to run the latest beta's of LW7(with a GeForce2),so a 600mhz G3 with
a Radeon will be more than most of us will ever need.Christ,many of us have
been happy with 40mhz 040's,50-75mhz 060's,and 150-240 603/604's for a long
time,and the A1.5 is in a different class speed wise compared to what were
used to.So what if we can't boast to other computer users that we have the
highest clock speed around.We'll have one of the most efficient OS's around
which is all that matters:)
I just hope that Amiga developers keep up their 'must optimise!' stance,even
with the G3's,and don't get 'lazy' because they have 600mhz to play with.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 55 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 16-Mar-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Alan Watson):
Forgot to add that in almost 8 years of working for a few 3d animation
companies,I've never seen them once upgrade the machines by changing the
processor module.They might change the gfx cards from time to time,but
normally it's only worthwhile doubling the processors clockspeed,which
normally involves a new motherboard.Christ,AFAIK you can't even get 1.2ghz
G3's,so show me an Amiga game of application that will max out a G3@600mhz+
a Radeon or Voodoo4 4500/Voodoo5 5500,never mind a setup at a higher clock
rate...
AmigaOne news update : Comment 56 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 16-Mar-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous2):
You do realise that if you aren't talking crap, then what you have written breaches NDAs and trade confidentiality and probably a lot of other stuff, and that Amiga Inc. can safely sue BPlan because the only way that you would know that is by working for BPlan, or getting the information from somebody at BPlan.
Otherwise, stop trolling and go away.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 57 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 16-Mar-2002 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Alan Watson):
Agreed.
If you aren't going to buy an AmigaOne, then don't post in a topic about the AmigaOne.
It can't be any simpler than that.
The AmigaOne is a pretty good bit of hardware that lies between an iMac2 and a PowerMac at iMac price levels, but without the software that is integrated into MacOSX.
iMac style: low clock speed processor
PowerMac style: 4 PCI slots and AGP slot, 133MHz FSB, 2GB max memory
+ legacy I/O on top.
+ ATA100, not ATA66
+ low resource usage OS which negates the CPU speed problem somewhat
In the future, as the processors become available and the OS supports Altivec, we will see AmigaOne(pointSix?) with integrated G4s at higher speeds. You will probably see the G4 version increase in speed as well, as IBM release faster variants up to 1GHz.
Hell, considering how well the Amiga multitasked on a 14MHz old CPU with AGA, slow memory, etc, this is going to rock. The processor is about 100 times as fast (higher clock rate and higher IPC than the '020), the I/O subsystem is a load faster, and it is properly expandable. And yet some people can but moan.
Graham
AmigaOne news update : Comment 58 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 16-Mar-2002 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (amigammc):
Not all of us are whiners. Many are just quietly waiting, never saying
much. I trust you don't consider yourself a whiner, and you are hear. ;)
I personally had hoped for a G4 option from the get-go, but I appreaciated
the way EyeTech explained the reasons behind everything to us. They didn't
have to be so forthcoming, few other Amiga hardware companys and almost no
other electronic equiptment manufacturers in the world have ever bothered
to explain the business decisions they made to the customers. It makes me
realise that they are on the ball and have nothing to hide. This will
definately be one screaming Amiga compared to anything before, and the cost
for a complete setup with case, drives and powerpack can still be built for
less than $1000. US which isn't bad at all. Shucks, I put that much into my
Amiga 500 with 2.5 MB ram and NO hard-drive! ($565 A500, $325 2MB ram expander,
$110 A501 1/2 MB chip-ram expander). And my A4000 040-25 with 4MB ram cost
me $2875. My CD-32 with SX-32pro 50mhz 030 accelerator cost me about an even
$1000. without ram which cost me another $278 for 16 MB. And one must remember
that the money was worth a WHOLE lot more in those days. Last but not least,
my Athlon-900 mhz powered Linux/Amithlon box cost me almost $1500 only a year
ago even piecing it together myself with a cheapy graphics card and cheapy
sound card. The good news is that I can now put together a super-Amiga for
about $1000 that will make all my best Amiga software FLY. Still, I hope
Eyetech will be able to get their hands on G4s soon and will make a G4-based
A1.5 available quickly. I would rather pay an extra $200-$300 and have a G4.
I thought the Boxer sounded pretty good, so I prepaid $1500 for one and
waited patiently for three years, then lost my money. That was a bitter
to NEVER pre-pay for anything. If a company isn't stable and well-financed
enough to develop products and market them without need for individual
customers to pre-pay for the product, they are an extremely BAD risk and
you shouldn't pre-pay any more than you would be willing to lose gambleing,
because that is what it is.
Pre-ordering without pre-paying is a whole different thing. Then the
company is just asking you to show interest in the product rather than
finance them. With A1.5 I now have the oppertunity to get my much-desired
souped-up Amiga without the pre-payment risk so I am goint to jump in again,
this time without getting soaked! ;)
All-in-all, this lookes like a pretty sweet little machine. I can use
many PC parts I already have (Case, power-pack, drives, memory, graphics card,
sound card, fans, keyboard, mouse, cables, etc) so I will actually only have
to put the price of the A1.5 mainboard and the AOS-4.0 into it. COOL!!!
Cacha Later,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 59 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 16-Mar-2002 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Donovan Reeve):
I'd love to be able to buy an A1.5 now,but the lack of SCSI drivers at
launch is stopping me(currently all my main drives are scsi(5)with an ide
for backup purposes).Hopefully one will appear soon ofter launch.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 60 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 16-Mar-2002 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Alan Watson):
I believe that OS4 will support LSI SCSI SCRIPTS controllers for SCSI?
Graham
AmigaOne news update : Comment 61 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 16-Mar-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Alan Watson):
I'm quite sure we will see driver for scsi-controller soon after AmigaOne is released. You are not only one hoping it will appear so I'm sure someone will write driver sooner or later.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 62 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 16-Mar-2002 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Graham):
Oh, I did forget that. I think you are right. I think that was part of OS4 specs.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 63 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 16-Mar-2002 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Alan Watson):
yeah, I'm in the same boat, I can't wait to put my Cheetah 18GB 10K drive in. Still going to buy one either way though, got a few spare IDE drives laying about.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 64 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by lyceus on 16-Mar-2002 15:53 GMT
All I can say is Wahay!!
To the peeps saying that this is a Max clone: It's not. It just has the same CPU. Oh, and that naturally means simlar hardware design.
To the peeps saying it's a PC clone: Huh? Are you insane? It just uses "industry-standard" PCI/EIDE/SDRAM.
To the peeps saying it's over-priced: It's £350 with a 600MHz G3!!! That's approx £200 for the M/B. Admitedly, it's not cheap, but considering it would cost approx £90 from someone else, I'm up for spending that £100 to keep Eyetech alive...
To the peeps who think 600MHz is slow: Well, I've compared a 700MHz Mac to a 1.6GHz P4 PC, and the Mac kicked butt for multimedia type stuff. I'd love to see faster CPUs in the A1.5, but, give 'em time...
To the trolls: GO AWAY. You obviously don't have a clue, and you really get on sensible people's nerves. Don't you have anything better to do? C'mon you know you can get more than -33 frags. You just need to control your arm. That's it, hold it still for a seco... Oh for pity's sake: STOP MASTURBATING SO FURIOUSLY. Go and get a life.
To the sensible people with opinions: Thanks for your opinions. You make life interesting and debate is good.
As for my opinion, well, I suspect I'm gonna buy one of these things and stick it in a box somewhere for Linux work. Maybe play with AmigaOS4.x when I can play SWOS and stuff. That's all I want: a machine that can do serious work and something for relaxing with SWOS for long periods of time. Mmmmm. Can't be bothered with the A1200 mods I was doing. too much hassle. One box for me :)
Hehehe: flame me. I taste like a Whopper when I'm done proper :)
Lyceus./
AmigaOne news update : Comment 65 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 16-Mar-2002 16:19 GMT
This is excelent news!! I am buying a developer board!! I cannot wait!! I'l be able to download a beta os OS4.0 before it is
released? Who in their right mind wouldn't want to get one?? Hell for years and
years I have be | | this close to buying a CyberstormPPC. I just couldn't spend
$1000USD for a product with such dubious reliability.
The AmigaOne is a WHOLE NEW MB, at least 3 times as fast as a CS-PPC, and at half
the price FOR A WHOLE NEW MB AND CPU.
How can some people claim to be 'Amigans' and bash this announcement? How can you
not appreciate this? This points the price point for Amiga hardware BELOW the Mac!
How long has it been since this has been true? As a matter of fact this puts the
price point VERY close to X86 hardware. this is Petro's dream machine.. a little late
but it's here finally!
AmigaOne news update : Comment 66 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 16-Mar-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (redrumloa):
> This is excelent news!! I am buying a developer board!! I cannot
> wait!! I'l be able to download a beta os OS4.0 before it is
> released? Who in their right mind wouldn't want to get one??
Yeah. :)
> Hell for years and
> years I have be | | this close to buying a CyberstormPPC. I just
> couldn't spend $1000USD for a product with such dubious reliability.
I actually did just that, and while I don't really regret it, the AOne
will stomp it into the ground for half the price.
> The AmigaOne is a WHOLE NEW MB, at least 3 times as fast as a
> CS-PPC, and at half the price FOR A WHOLE NEW MB AND CPU.
I'd bet it will be faster than that actually, remember the CS-PPC has
no L2 cache, and the AOne has faster memory and the IBM G3 they're
using has a kick-butt L2 cache (clocked at CPU speed). And that's
without getting into issues like graphics speed (AGP 2x is what, about
a zillion times faster than Zorro3 or the slot on the CS-PPC). We'll
just have to run some benchmarks and see....
> this is Petro's dream machine.. a little late
> but it's here finally!
Yeah, finally. :) Although due to market conditions (northbridge,
southbridge stuff), it sounds like this is the soonest we could
have gotten the AOne for this kind of price.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 67 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 16-Mar-2002 17:35 GMT
well the problem is that some ppl have ignored the facts about what Aone & AmigaOs 4 is for,
the Aone is not ment do be a Mac/Pc mobo beater, its ment to be a classic Amiga beater
an upgrade for Amiga ppl, not an upgrade for pc/mac ppl.
& what are ppl thinking saying its a pc or mac clone? its useing of the self parts so of cause it
will have parts that are in a mac & pc, if it did not then it would have custom parts.
& if ppl think that a small firm like eyetech could afford to make a fully custom mobo & leapfrogg to the front oh HW in one go
& with small first run sales & sell it in at PC mobo price & not make a return for 3-4 years are dreaming deeply.
the mobo would cost the earth to start of with & then the ppl with pc will moan about the cost of the Aone &
why aint it as cheap as the million run off the mill pc mobo.
this as far as amiga goes is a huge leap forward for Amiga ppl.
i dont care if its not the fastest thing out there cos if it was it would also be the most costly as well.
& as for the socket it would be costly on small runs as it will need another prodution line tool added to fix that socket on.
i know many Amiga only ppl wetting at the mouth for this Aone, they dont bother posting on Ann or even read it most of the time.
as they can be bothered to filter out all the crap.
im getting the Aone & the A1200 pci card & will part exchange for a G4 version as soon as poss.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 68 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 16-Mar-2002 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (redrumloa):
Eh?Can joe public buy the developer/dealer boards?Don't they check?
Hmmmm,I suppose a cheap IDE drive would keep me going....:)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 69 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 16-Mar-2002 18:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Alan Watson):
Sure Joe public can buy a developer board. Their website says there will be no tech direct
tech support for Linux PPC, so if you don't think you can figure out a Linux install,
don't buy a developer board. To me LinuxPPC will be a fun toy to play with until I can
download a beta of OS4.0.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 70 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2002 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Graham):
>You do realise that if you aren't talking crap, then what you have written
>breaches NDAs and trade confidentiality and probably a lot of other stuff,
>and that Amiga Inc. can safely sue BPlan because the only way that you would
>know that is by working for BPlan, or getting the information from somebody
>at BPlan.
>
Blabla...
I think it's good AInc's rip-off business policy come into daylight for everyone
to see (if this is true). AInc breached confidentality first, when they gave Mr
Hermans bplan's draft contract to look at and modify.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 71 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by B.vd.Meer on 16-Mar-2002 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Alan Watson):
>The first run on the A1.5 comes with a 600mhz G3.Why are people moaning
>about it?So what if it's soldered.I work for a 3d animation company,and
>a majority of our machines are 500mhz P3's(we need to upgrade).<cut>
No problem for me either, and why couldn't we use a G4 accelarator in a PCI-Slot with some memory on it in the future ?
AmigaOne news update : Comment 72 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion. on 16-Mar-2002 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
>I think it's good AInc's rip-off business policy come into daylight for everyone
>to see (if this is true).
It isn't true at all but when has that ever stood in the way of a nice rant?
>AInc breached confidentality first, when they gave Mr Hermans bplan's draft >contract to look at and modify.
Ever heard of client-attorney privilege?
Besides, it wasn't a contract at all, it was a non-legally binding "memorandum of understanding".
Finally, Hyperion and others were a party to those negotiations albeit it indirectly.
What was in the memorandum also directly concerned us and other third party developers.
Hence we had a right to review and comment on it in the interest of a workable cooperation.
All a bit theoretical I would say as the MorphOS team walked away from the negotiations which prompted Hyperion to step in and do OS 4.
This was never our intention to begin with.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 73 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 16-Mar-2002 19:23 GMT
Well, I did install Mandrake Linux 8.0 on the PC, so I could probably muttle my way through it...big question is: When will the Beta OS4 be available for download? It looks as if it will be around the end of April when these "pre-ordered" boards ship (didn't they say about 4 weeks from the order placement on March 24th? And the retail versions going to be for sale in May? That's not too big of a head start, but I know many will go for it. I might do it just yet, just to get the board and start playing around with OS4 Beta when it's available. THAT would be the main reason for me to pre-order. Plus you save $50.00 (US) and get an extra 10% off of the retail version of OS4 (which is like getting it all for $506.25 (US)...That would include the board, CPU and retail version of OS4! It's starting to sound more tempting to get one now!
AmigaOne news update : Comment 74 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 16-Mar-2002 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion.):
Nice to see you still checking the boards Ben. Lotz of flame wars still going on I'm afraid. But as you have undoubtably read, most of us support Hyperion/Eyetech .. So, Carry on perfecting the ammunition for Eyetechs Amiga cannon. First, win the battle, next ..the war !!
Paul ...Peterborough ..Uk
AmigaOne news update : Comment 75 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 16-Mar-2002 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Thomas):
>The Amiga has never been a killer hardware platform.
You either don't remember well or you are a relatively new user.
Amiga WAS about killer hardware, at least until 1990. 68k was far better than x86 back then, Zorro vs ISA was no comparison and the graphics capabilities of most PCs were limited. Amiga with a 040 was used for rendering commercially and there was incredibly powerful h/w for Desktop Video available.
It was only after hardware develpment slowed down that most people started appreciating its superior OS.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 76 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 16-Mar-2002 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (sutro):
Once AmigaOS2.0 came out, then people started appreciating the OS. Before that it was merely fine, but afterwards it had a lot of features that made it good for application development beyond creating a window and then emulating a text screen (Hmmm, wordperfect?) in essence.
But agreed, it was a killer hardware platform before 1990.
Graham
AmigaOne news update : Comment 77 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Brikk on 16-Mar-2002 20:22 GMT
Oh my..
I can't believe this piece of shit I'm reading here every day.
Why is almost everyone complainin' about every damn thing instead of showing
just a glimpse of joy?!
Here's my point of view:
-Amiga Inc., Hyperion, Eyetech and every else involved is doing a great job
these days!
-We WILL have OS4, AmigaOne, Amiga Anywhere and AmigaDE.
-The specs for AmigaOne is absolutely fantastic - if you think you have a
program that won't show off in 600 000 000 Hz, then go get yourself a hangover
and reconsider!
We have OS4 confirmed inbound!
Amiga Anywhere is a GO! I repeat - Amiga Anywhere is a GO! ;)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 78 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2002 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Bill):
LOL! It is totally new and great, it is 10x faster and better in every aspect than our senile Classic Amigas.
There is also some totally new HW being built, but make no mistake, it will also use standard components, I can not see any alternative..
AmigaOne news update : Comment 79 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by amigo on 16-Mar-2002 21:44 GMT
i am extremely happy about this, only thing im unhappy about is i cant get it just yet and download the beta, buaaaaa!!!
anyway i hope that those of you that do get it will give the rest of us the scoop on how great it is and all ;-)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 80 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Andy Hall on 16-Mar-2002 21:59 GMT
*Sigh* still the same old crap on ANN.
First to all the plebs who are moaning about standard parts/mac/PC
clones open up your Amiga (I mean you do own one don't you?) look at
the chips, OH MY GOD!!!! There are some off the shelf bits in there!!
Now either Bill Gates has personally snuck them in there while you
weren't looking, or there has always been standard components in Amiga
systems.
I must admit I didn't like the Idea of a soldered CPU to start with,
but I have been thinking about it.....
At this precice moment in time I'm using My A1200T with 040/28Mhz with
a mere 16MB of fastRAM, I'm using DBlPal screenmode and I have no add
ons for I/O just the standard Serial Port and yet I'm currently
writing this on Voyager (beta), Checking my Emails on YAM, chatting to
my brother on MSN (Via Jabber) and chatting to my mate in Texas on
IRC. (and listening to a mod). If I can do all this on a crappy
28MHz 040 smoothly imagine how good it'll be on a 400MHz G3 with a
Graphics Card, Soundcard and buckets of RAM.
The fact is......AmigaOS is bloody fast, Amiga programmers are bloody
good, and what ever hardware it's running on it's bloody great fun to
use (and I swear too much :) )
Anyone disagree?
Andy
AmigaOne news update : Comment 81 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 16-Mar-2002 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Andy Hall):
> If I can do all this on a crappy
> 28MHz 040 smoothly imagine how good it'll be on a 400MHz G3 with a
> Graphics Card, Soundcard and buckets of RAM.
>
> The fact is......AmigaOS is bloody fast, Amiga programmers are
> bloody good, and what ever hardware it's running on it's bloody
> great fun to use (and I swear too much :) ) Anyone disagree?
>
> Andy
Yes, I disagree. It's a 600MHz G3. ;)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 82 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 00:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Thomas):
eyetech is sellign old pc technology. hell i can get a mac now and put 0S 4.0 on it later . this is nothing new. there is reason to complain, wake up.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 83 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 17-Mar-2002 00:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Well pc people usally dont know the differnce anyhow until explained ,then they laugh. Thats the problem. The AMiga community now has pc users telling AMiga users that this is new when its not. Look at what you have. That is all the so called Amigaone is . Then add the ppc then you have a mac ,nothing new. The time they spent on doing this they could have made a new Amiga and its slots accept pci , AGP plus a new type of zorro, and the motherboard would be based on newer Amiga technology and not trying to resurrect the mac clone market.
If you cant see this, this is why the computer market is where its at now. It sucks, and why you have to pay out your ass sometimes.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 84 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 00:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (ehaines):
>Yes, I disagree. It's a 600MHz G3. ;)
>
Maybe he mixed up Pegasos and AmigaONE MHz - the latter one being 50% faster. :-)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 85 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Bill):
>Well pc people usally dont know the differnce anyhow until explained ,then they laugh. Thats the problem.
>
The problem is...they laugh about you, most likely! :-)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 86 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas on 17-Mar-2002 00:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (sutro):
Man do you have a screw loose ,(Many). AMIGa IS the best at
hardware/softwar . You cant have one without the other to be the best.
The concept of having differnt chips to take up the tasks is one of the
reasons its so great. Pcs have yet to catch up to the AMiga in graphics.
the chips on the video cards are killer but how they are accesed and run by the pcs/macs
isnt. In order to multitask and have real-time you have to have good
hardware based on the Idea and concepts of the orginal Amigas. Then once
you accomplish this you work on the graphics quality and sound quality.
Amiga accomplished this. Now all you have to do is update you sound and
graphics card and bingo you kick ass. Sure you have to update the
Graphics in the idea of being faster at rendering, and have the 128bit
true digital dsp chip for sound. Just put this on a new "zorro slot"
and not on the mothebord so youcan upate at will. try putting a PIV chip
on a 286 or even a P3 , you cant . You cant even have a 1.5ghz PIV
acccept a 2.ghz PIV chip much less an AMD. Why cant you becasue the
pc/mac(north bridge/south bridge) technology sucks . I had an A2000 and
put a G3 it . This setup works fine. Hell they even made a ppc setup for
the 1000 just to show it could be done. AMigas are still being used
widely in and at Nasa ,the movie and tv stations. Just to mention a few
out of many. Lets not mention the very famous people and Familys that
use and accept Amiga. The AMiGa has one grammys and Oscars for
excellence. THE pc and mac have yet to do that . SO please dont give me
any crap or lies of how much quality the pc/mac/sgi has. All they have
is faster rendering and that is it . Although the Sgi is better then the
mac & pcs . How many people render, not many ,and to boot we can have
ppc(s) and then render faster for an end price of being cheaper. I mean
try and add 6 ppc to a mac or a pc WE can, they cant. SO get your cards
all back in the deck and start telling the truth and not lies.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 87 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 00:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (ehaines):
The fact is the hardware , is what the problem is . Look at the
mac any wonder why we are faster then a mac with a G3 with
an 04/40mhz. The resons is simple the mac uses the same hardware as the pc adn therefore doesnt use the true power of the ppc. So if we have better hardware like the orginal amiga , but improved upon (same concept as orginal) .Then we will be even faster and much more stable .Plus have no conflicts.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 88 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 01:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Anonymous):
actually now they laugh at people like you who are too brain washed and stupid enough to think of anything differnt. Call Bill, as he and fleecy were told how stupid this concept is and how they could geta mac and have it at there door in less then a week. they were emailed bye 50 or so people from the sgi /mac/pc world .Its people like you that give AMIGa the bad name and what has caused AMIGa to be though of as a normal pc or rather not thought of at all.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 89 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 17-Mar-2002 02:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Thomas):
Wow.
Never have I seen so much uninformed drivel so badly mispelt and laid out.
Impressive.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 90 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 17-Mar-2002 02:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Graham):
> Never have I seen so much uninformed drivel so badly mispelt and
> laid out.
>
> Impressive.
What do you expect from Shawn the Bus Arch Troll? The closer the
AmigaOne gets to release the more desperate his broken-record posts
become. It's actually really funny. I'd laugh in his face if I
could; as it is I'll just laugh in his virtual face along with
everyone else. How does it feel to be the world's laughingstock,
Shawn?
AmigaOne news update : Comment 91 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 02:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Graham):
Like I thought . A person,(oversight there?) that cant back up his own misinformed concepts so he attacks mine spelling that isnt mispelled or few are . No wonder people have left this forum . It has been said that only trolls and idoits only need apply here ,and after being on this forum only a few months I cant agree more.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 92 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (ehaines):
Like I thought . A person,(oversight there?) that cant back up his own misinformed concepts so he attacks mine, spelling that isnt mispelled or so a few are . No wonder people have left this forum . It has been said that only trolls and idiots only need apply here ,and after being on this forum only a few months I cant agree more. With the exception of me and others.
Like someone that has very badly misninformed you assume I'm shawn and i'm laughed at . When It is you that is laughed at for calling me Shawn and not knowing the finer points in hardware concepts.
Like I said I agree with Shawn and so does Dave ,Ryan , Carl. Go to his site and see the growing people that laughed at you and others that belive that a mac clone, which this is ,is the answer. I asked you to do this for the third time now but both of you refuse for fear of being proven wrong. I went and caled Hall Greenlee and the others at NASA and they still say one thing (northbridge south bridge technology sucks. This would of course be Macs -pcs.
if you cant see this then ther is no help for you -maybe down the road there is
but now there isnt.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 93 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Malone on 17-Mar-2002 03:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (ehaines):
oops here ,reply here if you want to or anyone wants to.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 94 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 17-Mar-2002 03:10 GMT
I have to help balance the negative comments on here with a positive one..
I cant wait to get an AmigaOne! It's what I've been waiting years for.
There, done.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 95 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 17-Mar-2002 03:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Anonymous):
Hi there
>When It is you that is laughed at for calling me Shawn ..
>Like I said I agree with Shawn and so does Dave ,Ryan , Carl.
O.k. lets just take that for real and what would that lead to ?
Five village idiots instaed of one!
>Pcs have yet to catch up to the AMiga in graphics.
Has been true in the 1980s and maybe in 1992 when AA was introduced,
but did you ever ask why from 1995 or so everybody wanted to add a
GFX-card to his Amiga ? All Zorro-GFX-cards (and those connected to
a CPU-board) where based on (mostly outdated) chips used in ISA or
PCI-GFX-Cards.
>In order to multitask and have real-time
Multitasking was first introduced in the early UNIXes in the 70s.
Any idea what kind of HW they had back then ?
Just like multitasking real-time is a sw-feature and has nothing
to do with the underlying hw. Oh and i got big news for you:
AmigaOS ist NOT a real-time-OS !! It comes close to one, and it
may feel like one but it is none.
>Sure you have to update the Graphics in the idea of being
>faster at rendering, and have the 128bit
>true digital dsp chip for sound.
Why shouldn't this be possible with an A1.5 ?
>...put this on a new "zorro slot" and not on the mothebord...
Zorro works just like any other bus (AGP/PCI/ISA), the only
difference is, nobody makes any new hw for it.
>I had an A2000 and put a G3 it
A G3-Card for the A2000 ? Who made it ? Why didn't they sell it to me ?
They could have sold thousands of them ! Too bad you are just making
things up.
>AMigas are still being used widely in and at Nasa ,the movie and tv stations.
Moviemakers and tv stations have been taking their Amigas out of use for
a long time, and nowadays they are used by very small stations and for
minor tasks.
>The AMiGa has one grammys and Oscars for excellence.
And what does that help us now in 2002 ?
@all
sorry for answering the troll...
...to funny to leave him alone.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 96 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 03:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (James Carroll):
well call mac then its been out for years
on a postive not i cant wait for OS 4.0 or is that postiv<-sp erotr%^)
AmigaOne news update : Comment 97 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 17-Mar-2002 03:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (James Carroll):
Heck, I put my money where my mouth is and ordered myself a developer board. It will be fantastic to be able to put together a brand new Amiga system and take advantage of off the shelf parts. My most difficult task will be to find a case and keyboard that will do the Amiga name justice.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 98 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2002 04:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Kronos):
Like I said ryan of merlancia, Dave haynie ,joe torre, and, Carl of rebol. It is you that just called them idiots. Now who feels like a fool LOL. The rest you are wrong on all accounts. Zorro isnt like pci or agp its better in all ways except slower . It should be ,one 32bit pathway as apposed to 4 16bit pathways. If it was the same zorro wouldnt have come out in the first place. As far as the Unix multitasking it could only on those machines becasue they where built like the Amiga was built multiple proccesors doing thier each on thing. With inane responses like this I shall leave also. It will be great for me to leave and a sad occasion for you becasue again you will loose somebody great. Ironic as it is the great one never talk in here or leave becasue of morons like you. The may come back and say a few things, but not on a daily occasion.
You like the other 2, ehaines and graham ,and im sure there are others, made no proof and never went to shawns site as asked . The reason as you knew you would or will be proven wrong. As such ,UP YOURs.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 99 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Malone on 17-Mar-2002 04:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Adam Kowalczyk):
I will try not to get in an argument with you either.The board as you called it is a clone I can get that now. If it be a mac or pc clone its still a clone.
Im Bill the last two were by me, Bill.
AmigaOne news update : Comment 100 of 141ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 17-Mar-2002 04:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Anonymous):
I did go to your site, Shawn, probably about a year ago. It was
featured on a web site about the world's worst web sites. I have to
say, it's hysterically funny. Everyone laughs at it; I'm not sure
which is lamer, yours or Tim Rue's. Even so, I don't feel the need to
waste my time on it again, as amusing as it may be.
Also, it's funny that all of these people who you're name-dropping
never said what you claim. You might want to be careful, some of them
could sue you if they want to bother. Dave Haynie posted a message
here on ANN some months ago basically calling you an idiot and
completely wrong, though he was more polite than that of course.
The AmigaOne gets closer...
Shawn's desperation mounts...
It's SO funny! LOL! At this rate his head will implode when we
actually get the boards in our hands and start running them.
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