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[News] OS3.9 Boingbag 2 availableANN.lu
Posted on 20-Mar-2002 18:03 GMT by Christian Kemp125 comments
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Jarmo Laakkonen writes: H&P is proud to announce the availability of Boing Bag 2 for AmigaOS 3.9
OS 3.9: Boing Bag 2 available now!

20. March 2002: H&P is proud to announce the availability of Boing Bag 2 for AmigaOS 3.9. Boing Bag 3.9-2 contains many bug fixes, small enhancement and new features in the areas multimedia (AMPlifier, PlayCD, sound datatype), shell, Workbench (Find, AsyncWB, UnArc, XAD v10), ReAction and harddisk support. The Boing Bag is delivered in three parts: The main archive with all the files needed to update AmigaOS 3.9, the translations into different languages and the contributions (CDDB library, OpenURL, ClassAction). We want to thank all people that made it possible.

Please download at least the main archive and the translation(s) for the language(s) you desire. The contributions are optional.

Note: This Update requires AmigaOS 3.9 with Boing Bag 1. AmigaOS XL users can install the Boing Bag 2 directly.

www.haage-partner.com

OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 101 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 21-Mar-2002 22:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (cOrpse):
>God damn shut ur face arse monkey , anyone that considers 68k emulation on X86
>as long term solution is insane
I agree with you, which is why nobody in this discussion thinks that. This idea of emulation as a long-term solution is a false story that has been cleverly spun out by the anti-a86 brigade for a number of months now.
Don't tell me I'm making things up because you believe this false story, yet ask anyone involved here whether they think emulation is a long-term solution and they will tell you 'no'.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 102 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Amigan Software on 21-Mar-2002 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Joe CD32):
Yes, you definitely should have put in a formal bug report, it's really quite straightforward if you use Report+ to do it.
This is part of the reason it takes a while for the Boing Bags to emerge, they have to wait for the bug reports to come in from the users.
I would not hold out much hope of seeing a BB3 for OS3.9, excellent if it did come out though. However it seems that several Amigans are having compatibility problems with BB2, so you never know...
Please complete a formal bug report immediately and send to H&P. They can't fix bugs that they are not told about! I have sent a few bug reports to them from time to time and they *do* investigate and fix them. So you will *not* be wasting your time.
Regarding the Amithlon/OS4 etc. debate, I think it's better to avoid writing PPC code and (especially!) x86 code, and stick to 680x0 code. This means apps will run on classic Amigas, UAE/Fellow, Amithlon/AmigaOSXL, OS4.x, etc.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 103 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 21-Mar-2002 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Christophe Decanini):
>And now we have a new boingbag thread just because we screwed this one ...
>
>I give up for today.
If you hadn't interfered and started an argument then none of this would have happened, I would have just lurked on this news story - I only felt a need to post after your attacks.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 104 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 21-Mar-2002 22:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (redrumloa):
>THIS IS AMIGA-NETWORK-NEWS!!! THIS IS NOT PC-CLONE-EMULATOR-CENTRAL. Amithlon
>is a nice product, BUT IT IS AN EMULATOR. As much as thse couple guys scream,
>yell and jump up and down, IT IS STILL AN EMULATOR.
If you want to be pedantic, then OS4 is at least partially emulated on PPC hardware. Now should we discuss that there? And AmigaDE, which receives vast swathes of coverage here is also an emulated system, what's more it has absolutely nothing to do with AmigaOS! I don't hear you complaining about that either.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 105 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 21-Mar-2002 23:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (smithy):
I've made it clear that while I do not hate DE, I am certainly not a cheerleader
for DE.I do not complain about Amithlon news, I do not dislike Amithlon or emulation
in general. what I *DO* take issue with is X86 fanatics like Darklite trolling
away, and then people blame Christophe or CK!
Look at comment 1, yup that's me. Look down for quite a few comments. Nice conversation
going eh? Where did the problem start? What's that? Comment 11? By Whom? Darklite?
What was his motovation? To piss people off and start an arguement? And you want
to blame Christophe?
Come on now!
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 106 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 21-Mar-2002 23:39 GMT
Good god what is this? Comment 106? Well if anyone is actually left in here that
is interested in the actual topic, I have a problem with BB2.
I finally got around to installing this and it nuked my system, relatively of course.
I was able to pinpoint it pretty quick to setpatch. I simply put back the original
OS3.9 setpatch and I am up and running again. I guess alot of people here are having
problems with BB2? I guess I need to send a bug report to H&P. I just hope everyone
who has this problem can figure it out quick enough. It's pretty nasty if you
cannot boot into WB at all, and you don't really understand the workings of the
system. Luckily I know just enough;-)
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 107 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 22-Mar-2002 00:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (redrumloa):
try "SetPatch SKIPROMUPDATES"
There's a new thread on BB2 BTW...
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 108 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel,Stefan,Anders on 22-Mar-2002 02:12 GMT
Hi there!
We a three guys who are having some problems.
All CGFX screenmodes have disappeared with BB2!
Otherwise it all boots fine and so...
Anyone else has this problem??
We have BlizzardVisionPPC and CyberVisionPPC with CyberGFX v4.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 109 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 22-Mar-2002 02:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (darklite):
>Here's an article about MS you didn't delete... it's a fine example of Amithlon FUD by Ben 'PPC' Hermans. almost 200 comments, a hard one to overlook.
>http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1014203880&category=unmoderated&194
>Be (makers of Beos) sue Microsoft Link
Yes I spoke about it a few comments before. I agree this was just to prove BH point.
>here are some more articles you 'missed', none of them have anything to do with Amiga, and most of them are MS FUD:
I agree Darklite. This has nothing to do with ANN. I would agree to delete them or to move them in a Misc category.
Next time you see a post like that email me. I try to catch the post before having too many comments.
The BH post for example. Users would have been angry after me if I had deleted. I guess that you guys would have say that I would have delete it to avoid BH confrontation.
I'am sorry if I can not be here every minute and if in the past I missed some posts we should have deleted.
I'am pretty sure to be the one that delete the most stuff. Perhaps I should even do more ???
I wish Christian will put a misc section. Even if so the problem will be to sort them.
Perhaps categories like: Amiga Classic, Amiga PPC, Amiga DE, Morphos, Amithlon
You would have to pick the one that interest you but it would be quite complicated.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 110 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 22-Mar-2002 02:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (smithy):
>I only felt a need to post after your attacks.
Attacks ? I think Darklite attacked, some riposted, some helped Darklite ripost again.
I described what I use to see regularly here and then have been attacked.
The only one I involved in the story that was not really involved was Mekanix.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 111 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Mar-2002 02:44 GMT
only the new rom update stoped my Amiga from booting.
but it backs it up anyway as xxxxxxxx.old so i just deled the new &
used the old
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 112 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Mar-2002 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Daniel,Stefan,Anders):
This is a problem with older versions of cgx 3 and 4 which check for the version of the exec.library. Try the latest version of cgx v4 or download the exec44.1 archive (sorry forgot the url) which contains a patch.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 113 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio on 22-Mar-2002 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Fabio):
Just to inform you all that I've solved such problem. After having
realized the matter was caused by new exec.library, I added the
AVOIDMEMFKICKFORPATCHES option to Setpatch and now my system is even
faster than before (!) (I guess thanks to new exec.lib and
scsi.device stuff, which speed up a lot).
I hope this info can be useful to others who are having problems
with BB2.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 114 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 22-Mar-2002 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Anonymous):
I have a Prometheus/P96 setup.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 115 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 22-Mar-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (smithy):
Well, poor argument, Smithy. MacOS was partially emulated up to version 8. Do you consider Shapeshifter to be the same thing as a real Mac? Do you consider Fusion to be the same thing as a real Mac? Does any of these emulators have any kind of acceptance from the Mac community? Do you think that a Fusion or Shapeshifter user can expect support from Apple themselves? Think not.
Go to a Mac forum and post a question on why MacOS won't work with Fusion on your x86 Amiga emulator, I'm sure they would appreciate a good laugh. :-P
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 116 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Mar-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Fabio):
yeah i managed to get the new romupdate working & it slow my Amiga down
as well.
just use the romupdate from BB1
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 117 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Anders on 22-Mar-2002 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Anonymous):
We are running the latest version of CGX 4, so it's not that...
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 118 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 22-Mar-2002 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Samface):
>Well, poor argument, Smithy. MacOS was partially emulated up to version 8.
>Do you consider Shapeshifter to be the same thing as a real Mac?
>Do you consider Fusion to be the same thing as a real Mac?
Shapeshifter is an emulator, a Mac is a piece of hardware, MacOS is an operating system. None of them are the same. It's no wonder you are so confused about Amithlon if you can't make this simple distinction.
>Does any of these emulators have any kind of acceptance from the Mac
>community?
They didn't need emulators because they've had regular hardware updates.
>Do you think that a Fusion or Shapeshifter user can expect support from Apple
>themselves? Think not.
Are you implying that I expect support for Amiga emulators from Amiga Inc? When did I ever say that? Go on, find it. Besides, what has Amiga Inc got to do with AmigaOS anyway?
>Go to a Mac forum and post a question on why MacOS won't work with Fusion on
>your x86 Amiga emulator, I'm sure they would appreciate a good laugh. :-P
Actually, I'd imagine they'd be flattered that I want to give MacOS a try - I might like it and move to it, I'd imagine they'd welcome me and be helpful.
Can you imagine what the response would be from people like you if someone wanted help in trying out AmigaOS? You'd insult them and chase them away. Another lost user, another step towards your own closed-isolationist vision of AmigaOS with only elitist users, with the same elitist opinions as yourself.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 119 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by mark on 23-Mar-2002 00:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Samface):
>Well, poor argument, Smithy. MacOS was partially emulated up to version 8. Do
>you consider Shapeshifter to be the same thing as a real Mac? Do you consider
>Fusion to be the same thing as a real Mac? Does any of these emulators have any
>kind of acceptance from the Mac community?
Fusion and Shapeshifter are programs which run on top of another operating system, as opposed to AmigaOS 4, MacOS and Amithlon, which are platforms in their own right. Amithlon may not be a "real Amiga" - in as much as that's decided by what Amiga Inc apply the trademark to - but it's an AmigaOS compatible system.
>Do you think that a Fusion or
>Shapeshifter user can expect support from Apple themselves? Think not.
What has this got to do with anything? Indeed, this BoingBag release comes from Haage and Partner, who are the ones who released Amithlon and AmigaXL, so asking for support couldn't be more appropriate.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 120 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Donovan Reeve on 23-Mar-2002 03:57 GMT
Hey, at least there's still signs of life here! It's when nobody even finds
anything Amiga-related interesting enough to even bother commenting or
arguing that I'll start worrying.
Actually, I like 'em all. I own 5 real Amigas, plus AmigaXL, and I intend
to buy a new PPC Amiga as well. And I would certainly buy an Amiga OS
version which ran on wintel boxes (with AMD processors) as well if it
existed even though I personally consider the PPC archictecture superior.
But, to get back to the origional topic...
THANK-YOU H&P AND ALL OTHERS INVOLVED FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON SUPPORTING
THOSE OF US WHO NEED AND OR WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE SOME OF OUR OLD HARDWARE
AND SOFTWARE!!!
By the way, that doesn't mean we're not interested in moving ahead, it
just means that we need to be able to function in the mean time untill we
can move ahead.
cacha later,
Donovan Reeve (bubby@inebraska.com)
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 121 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Joe CD32 on 23-Mar-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Budda):
I got BB1 downloaded and installed on the CD32. The Bad Packet error appears to have been fixed.
Where is BB2 downloadable from? I can't find any reference to it anywhere on Amiga.com
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 122 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Mar-2002 00:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (smithy):
Sigh... "They are not the same thing..." Did I say that? No. Did you avoid my point? Yes. Is there any point in even trying to discuss anything on a higher level than of a 2 year old at all? No.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 123 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Mar-2002 00:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (smithy):
Sigh... "They are not the same thing..." Did I say that? No. Did you avoid my point? Yes. Is there any point in even trying to discuss anything on a higher level than of a 2 year old at all? No.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 124 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Mar-2002 00:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (mark):
I'm sorry but Amithlon is NOT an OS on its own right, it runs ontop of a small, slightly modified Linux kernel. I don't think Linus Torvalds would appreciate your way of trying to steal the credits for his work.
OS3.9 Boingbag 2 available : Comment 125 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Patrik on 24-Mar-2002 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Anders):
I would say it is still a CGX version problem.
Upto version cgx4.2pre8 the cgxsystem.library checks for exec.library v40
and now fails because of the new v45 exec.library.
Please check again the version of cgxsystem.library.
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