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Posted on 02-Apr-2002 10:07 GMT by Christian Kemp83 comments
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"Martin" wrote: "A new Voyager beta (V3.3.122) is available at v3.vapor.com."
New Voyager beta : Comment 1 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 02-Apr-2002 08:27 GMT
It's not mentioned in the HTML pages, but you can get it from the
download sites.
New Voyager beta : Comment 2 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by strawman on 02-Apr-2002 08:32 GMT
It's not on the front page yet but it's mentioned in Wagner's
.plan file. You can download it from ftp.vapor.com.
The .plan is worth reading as it mentions yet another instance
where B.Hermans has lied shamelessly.
http://v3.vapor.com/index.php?finger=owagner
New Voyager beta : Comment 3 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 02-Apr-2002 08:34 GMT
1 April 2002
============
* A new V build is now available for download (thanks to Zapek)
* Apparently, one "B.Hermans" claims to have gained access to the
MUI CVS repository.
Well, the MUI CVS repository is on this machine, and no
"B.Hermans" has access, unless he managed to hack into the box
unnoticed.
....these silly wars :)
New Voyager beta : Comment 4 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (4pLaY):
>and no "B.Hermans" has access, unless he managed to hack into the box
>unnoticed.
why the hell should he enter the mui cvs? isn't it more likely that
a coder gets access, B.Hermans is a laywer ?
New Voyager beta : Comment 5 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (4pLaY):
I don't consider it silly at all. When the lawyer of a commercial
company lies shamelessly in public, then I think it's
quite serious.
New Voyager beta : Comment 6 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 02-Apr-2002 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Did he specific say HE had axx to mui? no from what i remember he said they have so that can meen anyone at hyperion or the guys working on OS4.
New Voyager beta : Comment 7 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 02-Apr-2002 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Jeezus, ofcourse I'm not going to download the MUI code myself.
An OS 4 developer will handle this and no, we have no taken Stefan up yet on the offer to get access as we currently don't have time yet to tackle the MUI port.
I can however assure you that we entered into a legally binding agreement with Stefan Stuntz and that it was a pleasure doing business with the guy as he responded to contract amendments nearly in real time.
A signed contract for MUI has been in my possession for at least 10 days now.
I never announce anything without having a contract in hand.
New Voyager beta : Comment 8 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 02-Apr-2002 09:34 GMT
To quote Ben Hermans from http://www.swaug.freeserve.co.uk/interview010402.html
"Stefan Stuntz and I negotiated a contract which allows us access to the very latest MUI source-code stored in his CVS repository. Every licensee of MUI is required to feed back all and any changes into this CVS repository."
Nothing about a CVS account name "B.Hermans" in there. Chill out people.
/Björn
New Voyager beta : Comment 9 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 02-Apr-2002 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thanks Ben, though I don't think some people deserve the time you take to respond to them. It looks like there's always people trying to nitpick at everything without having access to the full facts to them I'd like to ask: Where's the joy in calling people lyars or spreading rumours about people without having 100% proof that what you're spreading is true?
Anyway, Ben, thanks for OS4 in advance, I'm sure it'll be a great addition to my computer collection and quite possible make Amiga my main system again.
Frans
New Voyager beta : Comment 10 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (strawman):
>The .plan is worth reading as it mentions yet another instance
>where B.Hermans has lied shamelessly.
Yeah who's the liar? It certainly isn't Ben Hermans.
New Voyager beta : Comment 11 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Cluke on 02-Apr-2002 10:23 GMT
Not much seems to have changed for this release. Would it be too cynical of me to suggest that this release was rushed out in response to the Hyperion licensing of IBrowse?
New Voyager beta : Comment 12 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by leif on 02-Apr-2002 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
..and thats the end of that chapter..
-homer
New Voyager beta : Comment 13 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Cluke):
Gzus - Another conspiracy! Everybody won't you forget your daily doze
of Prozac!
Man, it was rushed out because the last beta timed out April 1st.
New Voyager beta : Comment 14 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Electric Head on 02-Apr-2002 10:36 GMT
Sorry to go off topic.. but what's the new voyager like? ;)
New Voyager beta : Comment 15 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 02-Apr-2002 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Electric Head):
its shit....worst keyfile i bought...i'm buying IBrowse 2.3 instead if the os4
version have limitations
New Voyager beta : Comment 16 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Martin on 02-Apr-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (strawman):
Jeesh...talk about jumping i with both feet. Oliver made a retraction.
So where does that leave you now ?
Hanging I guess.
People, you all need to calm down and stop spouting off and spreading rumors.
It does nothing to help the Amiga
New Voyager beta : Comment 17 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 02-Apr-2002 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (catohagen):
>its shit....worst keyfile i bought
I'd have to agree, it's the biggest waste of money I have ever spent on software.
Sorry if that is harsh, but the truth hurts.
New Voyager beta : Comment 18 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 02-Apr-2002 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (catohagen):
Yep, I agree. V3 was the first browser i registered, but I shouldn't have bothered its so unstable. OTOH, IBrowse was worth every penny.
New Voyager beta : Comment 19 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas W on 02-Apr-2002 11:43 GMT
I still find Voyager to be the most capable Amiga browser on the market. I bought it when V3 came out and still use it. The latter betas have all worked fine on my machine.
New Voyager beta : Comment 20 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 02-Apr-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Peter Gordon):
Just to even up the score, I found the exact opposite :)
New Voyager beta : Comment 21 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 02-Apr-2002 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (tinman):
>Just to even up the score, I found the exact opposite :)
I don't see how that is possible? I haven't been able to use V3 AT ALL for about a year, just launching it crashes my system hard. Yes I followed all the documentation, and yes my libraries are all current.
New Voyager beta : Comment 22 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 02-Apr-2002 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Peter Gordon):
>OTOH, IBrowse was worth every penny.
After reading about IBrowse being the browser of choise in OS4.0, I went to
IB mailinglist(yahoo) and looked for the 2.2 demo, downloaded it and started
browsing around really heavy/agressive, going into all sorts of categories,
it lasted almost 20mins(demo timesout at 30mins) i remember i was at some
mp3/music site, and clicked on a banner, and *KABOOM* blackscreen/reset
not even a warning, so current IBrowse did/does same wierd crash as Voyager
do...
Maybe its a MUI thing ? Mui eats/need lotsa stack? or both browsers
uses a MUI class witch seriously need bughunting....Aweb have *never* crashed
like the two mui browsers do...
New Voyager beta : Comment 23 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 02-Apr-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (catohagen):
Unfortunately, the 2.2 version is not known to be the most stable release
ever. We have been testing 2.3 for quite some time and I am happy to say
that if 2.2 was somewhat unstable on my system before, 2.3 is rocksolid now.
I am quite sure you will be happy with the 2.3 release. Sorry it tooks so long
time, but skydiving has been my main interest for the past 1.5 year and that
consumes quite some time...
regards,
Stefan
New Voyager beta : Comment 24 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 02-Apr-2002 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Stefan Burström):
keyword 'rocksolid' is atleast all I need to hear :) IBrowse keyfile
is my next purchase for sure...
New Voyager beta : Comment 25 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 02-Apr-2002 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Stefan Burström):
Good to see Mr Burström appear here! And even better to hear about the words
"rock solid" mentioned in the same sentence as "IBrowse"!
(v2.2 is the most stable yet though, hope the new one doesn't leak as much
memory - My ChipMem is gone and won't come back after some Gfx-heavy browsing
(heve no gfx-card). Although
the new Amiga won't have Chipmen, this have to be corrected )
.
SlimJim
New Voyager beta : Comment 26 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Hill on 02-Apr-2002 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Stefan Burström):
Great to see you're still alive Stefan!!
Carefull with the skydiving though - I want to see IB 3.0 at some point :-)
New Voyager beta : Comment 27 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 02-Apr-2002 13:31 GMT
well sometimes i can go for a week with out IB2.2 crashing.
as long as the JS is turned off, & i only ever turn JS on when i realy need to
when a page forces me to, then i turn it off again when i leave.
im also useing the IB2.2 patch that fixes some of the crashing issues.
New Voyager beta : Comment 28 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Madgun68 on 02-Apr-2002 13:42 GMT
I believe the only reason for this release of Voyager is that the previous beta supposedly expired. At any rate, the difference between 3.3.120 and 3.3.122 is almost nothing. Perhaps that's why the version change is tiny.
New Voyager beta : Comment 29 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 02-Apr-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (redrumloa):
The first versions of V3.2 did that when I had AGA. Since then I've
done a completely separate installation of the latest betas (and they
are the only ones I use now), got a graphics card and cleaned all the
crap out of my system.
New Voyager beta : Comment 30 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 15:12 GMT
Vapour the people who made MUI and the amiga in general look buggy and unstable ... Never buying their halfarsed software. I just hope they don`t ever try to or get involved in making an os ;)
New Voyager beta : Comment 31 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Stefan Burström):
I'm quite happy with IB and rocksolid sounds fantastic. :-)
Can you please make a MOS-compile of your fine browser?
New Voyager beta : Comment 32 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 02-Apr-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (cOrpse):
Name one unstable app they made except Voyager.
New Voyager beta : Comment 33 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (cOrpse):
I never had a crash with AmIRC!
New Voyager beta : Comment 34 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
mmm lets see its well featured but loves to crash ..... AMIRC !! , reason i use blackIRC u say ? cuz it works everyday ! :)
New Voyager beta : Comment 35 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
nah forget ibrowse on mos , just go on IRC and tell Zapek to learn how to code and stop complaining about os 3.5/3.9 and get over it.
New Voyager beta : Comment 36 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (cOrpse):
BS! You system must be seriously f* up then.
New Voyager beta : Comment 37 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 02-Apr-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (cOrpse):
Isn't BlackIRC using MUI too? :P
New Voyager beta : Comment 38 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
nah ur just running wb 3.1 off floppies on a 4 meg a1200 ;) .
New Voyager beta : Comment 39 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (David Scheibler):
Exactly the point , blackIRC can use mui safely and i don`t have to pay for that, so ehy not vapour apps
New Voyager beta : Comment 40 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 02-Apr-2002 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (cOrpse):
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You made me laugh.... Never had ONE single crash with AmIRC, except when I installed that replacement MUIMaster lib....
On the other hand NEVER EVER managed to connect to a server for more than 5
minutes with BlackIRC... Always crashes...
New Voyager beta : Comment 41 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (cOrpse):
I indeed run OS3.1 on A1200. Maybe your crashes come from OS3.5/9? :-)
New Voyager beta : Comment 42 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 02-Apr-2002 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
And I use OS 3.9 BB2.
New Voyager beta : Comment 43 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (cOrpse):
You don't have to pay for BlackIRC? Last time I checked it had a 45 min timeout.
New Voyager beta : Comment 44 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
well i run os 3.9 on a Blizzard PPC 040/25 603e/240mhz , 64 meg , blizzard vision etc . so everything has to be coded right else it causes trouble , but i`ve never had an ibrowse crash , even with the first release of 2.2 which my bro got at the woa it was released.
New Voyager beta : Comment 45 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
duh , its freeware now , come back when you have a clue
New Voyager beta : Comment 46 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 02-Apr-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (cOrpse):
It's really strange why there are so much differences between the systems...
I have not experienced any serious problems with v3.3.120 which I hadn't with other web browsers. Also AmIRC always runs stable.
Sometimes I really think perople are running hacks like the MasterCrashProgram,
an unofficial MUI patch (like this 040 patch...) or VisualPrefs and then
complain because their system is so unstable with MUI...
New Voyager beta : Comment 47 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (David Scheibler):
My systems rock solid when the fans running on the blizzard vision perfectly , and will run for months , expect when i run vapour apps ... they usually kill the system after 30 mins or so.
New Voyager beta : Comment 48 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 02-Apr-2002 15:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (cOrpse):
My system is running for about 3 weeks now... running vapor apps...
New Voyager beta : Comment 49 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 02-Apr-2002 15:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (cOrpse):
I have exactly the same system as you (except 96MB RAM) and the Vapor apps I
use run stable. A bit strange...
New Voyager beta : Comment 50 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (cOrpse):
Nice, still the aminet version is not - and the homepage is down...
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