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Posted on 02-Apr-2002 15:19 GMT by Christian Kemp28 comments
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Tripper wrote: "Mekka&Symposium 2002 this year was the first M&S I have been and definately going to be there next year. The Amiga productions were amazing stuff." "Potion intro was so cool, but you need a highend Amiga to watch it. There were some other PPC demos too (Scenic+Encore, Creative Minds (PUP), MadWizards) so it looks like we are going to see more PPC demos later on too.

TBL won the demo compo ("Little Nell"). Tribute by Scarab was second and third place went to Creative Minds. It seems that people on the scene still prefers 68k demos more (when analyzing the votes).

I didn't see Mad Wizards second demo as their Amiga wen't to flames and could not been seen during the compo. They showed it later on, but I was sleeping. There were far too many PC-demos and it was the last night of the party so it's no surprise I passed out ;)

Check the Results!"

Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 1 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper on 02-Apr-2002 13:26 GMT
You could check the demos (for download) from ftp.scene.org, but I warn you.. it's full almost all the time.
At least you can get the Reason demo (7th) from http://www.reason.tk/.
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 2 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 13:42 GMT
I couldnt get the Potion PPC intro to run on my Amiga (PPC175/040 with Voodoo3/SB128) so I cant comment on it.
What I can say though is that the Loonies 64kb is fantastic - a 1x1 3d engine in just 30kb that runs smoothly even on my 040/25. Incredible... it just goes to show how talented Amiga coders are. Actually all the Amiga entries were of a very high standard.
Now I'm looking forward to asm later in the year - I'll definitely be there (and we'll hopefully be releasing our first PPC/Warp3D Amiga demo, and maybe also this PSX demo which I've been sitting on for the last 2 years but never got around to releasing :)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 3 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 02-Apr-2002 15:12 GMT
Damned man as if it wasent busy enough hehe crap now i can wait untill next year to leech this stuff.
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 4 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 02-Apr-2002 18:12 GMT
I saw in the results that potion got more than 700 votes. They must have kicked SERIOUS ASS again. Damn, i wish somebody with a PPC could make a video from it.
Anyone out there interested and able to do that?
Oh, what was so special about the potion intro. Tell us some more (3D/2D)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 5 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper on 02-Apr-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (wouter):
Design..very "electro" :D It was divided into 2 parts, the first being more 3d and the latter 2d. Some heavy effects on 3d side and fast too (that "tunnel" part in the basement-like place was just amazing fast). The second part also had superb music, with synthesized speeches (something like the old Amiga speech generator, but tons of better of course ;).
The music (what I heard) was actually about 10Mb big.
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 6 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 02-Apr-2002 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Tripper):
Damn, i saw what did could do in Gift.
Isn't there anybody who can convert ppc demos to video?
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 7 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 02-Apr-2002 20:23 GMT
I have put all amiga demos online at http://rafo.free.fr
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 8 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper on 02-Apr-2002 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (wouter):
"Isn't there anybody who can convert ppc demos to video?"
I'm sure someone will. Just need to have patience, that's all :)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 9 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper on 02-Apr-2002 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Rafo):
Thanks mate :-)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 10 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by DJBase on 02-Apr-2002 22:17 GMT
Yes, "Planet Potion" rocks da house. THIS was a really great demo.
But it will not run on my Amiga 4000 (CSPPC+CVPPC). :(
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 11 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Mauro Tavelli on 02-Apr-2002 22:49 GMT
Sadly Darkage didn't enter the intro compo. It's really a pity, because I saw Modem's new 64k intro and it rocks!!1
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 12 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 03-Apr-2002 01:16 GMT
... but as usual.. the REAL party was outside ;-)
excellent continue to an already amazing party-series
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 13 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Apr-2002 06:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Tripper):
actually it wasn't all that fast considering it was warp3d and ppc...
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 14 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 03-Apr-2002 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
It was PPC but not Warp3D. Actually, using Hardware acceleration for 3D stuff (in scene productions anyway) is quite lame and doesn't show off any skills of the coder.
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 15 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Psycho on 03-Apr-2002 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (anon):
It DOES require Warp3D, look at the readme or inside the exe ;) (haven't been able to run it myself)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 16 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 03-Apr-2002 08:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (anon):
Can't you just be proud of what those amazing AMIGA coders achieved? See http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=5633 for comments.
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 17 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Psycho on 03-Apr-2002 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (anon):
It DOES require warp3D too, just look at the readme or inside the exe itself (I'm not able to run it myself, so...)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 18 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Apr-2002 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Psycho):
sorry, something wrong with the reload in ie ;)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 19 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Apr-2002 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Has anyone at all got the potion 64k to run ? I havent yet a single person so far who says it works. It certainly doesnt work here on my bppc175/voodoo3/warp3d 4.2. And, neither does the Scenic demo although i do have stormmesa installed too. it just gives a black intuition screen....
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 20 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 03-Apr-2002 21:02 GMT
Wow! I've only been able to check out some of the smaller demos (curse you 56k modem!, why can't there be more 4k and 64k stuff ;) and it is all excellent.
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 21 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper on 04-Apr-2002 03:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
It works fine here, no problems. My setup: A1200T, BVisionPPC, 240/060, 128MB, Delfina Lite, OS3.9 (BB2) + something irrelevant.
Perhaps there will be a fix in a near future..
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 22 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by fusko^scenic on 04-Apr-2002 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
hmm... we noticed some problems on voodoo-equiped machines before we released "kheshkhash" at mekka. The coder only has bvision himself - so we were not able to test it any earlier.
Have any of you Bvision/Cvision-owners had any problems ?
.fusko
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 23 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Tripper^Reason on 04-Apr-2002 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (fusko^scenic):
Hi fusco!
Yeah, I had some minor problems (check my setup above) with your demo. The part where the scene was going backround (somewhere quite end) and the statue-like creatures coming in regular periods.. the head of a chinese man just didn't fade away and was looking quite weird (grey). I didn't remember seeing that on the bigscreen.. there were some other weirds things as well, but they didn't bother me. BUT I only run it once, so it could be just this time..dunno. But the GFX was just top notch! Keep 'em coming :-)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 24 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Trip.. on 04-Apr-2002 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Tripper^Reason):
Typo.. backround=backward ;)
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 25 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Trip on 04-Apr-2002 09:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (anon):
"It was PPC but not Warp3D. Actually, using Hardware acceleration for 3D stuff (in
scene productions anyway) is quite lame and doesn't show off any skills of the coder."
Potion guys CAN code (you have seen GIFT, right?) no question about that. This was mostly a design intro, nearly perfect one.
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 26 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Lando^Trinity on 04-Apr-2002 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Tripper^Reason):
Hi fusko
I was really looking forward to seeing your demo :) On my A1200T with Voodoo3 2000, 128Mb, Soundblaster, Blizzard PPC 175+040/25, I can run the demo but when it starts it will open a screen but nothing happens. If I press the right mouse button then a little menu will appear with 'project/quit' option. I tried reinstalling Warp3D and StormMesa but it hasnt helped so far.. I will keep trying.
Cheers,
Lando^Trn
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 27 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Lando^Trinity on 04-Apr-2002 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Trip):
>Potion guys CAN code (you have seen GIFT, right?) no question about that. This >was mostly a design intro, nearly perfect one.
I agree, Potion coders aver very 'gifted' :)
And I also think theres absolutely nothing wrong with using PPC and/or Warp3D in democoding.
Where do you draw the line ? Do you say that all entries must run on an A500 with 512k RAM ? Or stock A1200 ? Or do you make the limit 030 cpu with 4Mb fastram? I think that if the compo machine is an A4000 with Cybervision and CyberStormPPC then you should make an effort to use all the abilities of that machine.
I agree that demos are about showing the skills of the coder to some extent but also 'use of the machine' - getting the most out of the hardware that is available to you. And, of course, design. Melon demos weren't techincally amazing but they had very good design.
I was probably more impressed with Psycho's 64k because it was a well-designed intro with a nice 1x1 engine that ran smoothly on a 040/25 and runs in 2 frames on an 060/50.
Mekka&Symposium 2002 news : Comment 28 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by StAn on 05-Apr-2002 00:42 GMT
Once again, most groups (or was it the organisers ?) simply didn't write their demo requirements in a readme file.
So you have to download 50MB just to see which one can work on your system. Great.
TBL.. their demos are pure chunky and they still can't do an OpenScreenTagList() to render into so that it works on AGA AND graphic cards... :-((
Planet Potion.. simply impossible to watch it on a 040/25+603/210+BVision. It uses AHI. You need a 060. It doesn't care when you press the left mouse button. What I could see was not really pretty, but anyway I got around 0.0023 fps and a choppy sound. At least it didn't crash nor cut multitasking.. :]
I tried one or two other demos/intros.. AGA stuff.. so I could see nothing. I think both of them didn't react to mouse clicks either. Great.
I tried the CreateMinds/Demoskope thingy... ate around 40MB of ram, displayed "Wating..." in the shell... forever. Great. Finally, the elf exe crashed.
I stopped the disaster at that point.
Let's say that I am kind of disappointed... :-\
If someone can name a demo that actually works (under CGX), I'd be glad to hear about it :]
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