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Posted on 02-Apr-2002 20:20 GMT by Christian Kemp219 comments
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Bernd "Bernie" Meyer writes: "I have just released a public statement regarding the distribution situation of Amithlon. I have also released an updated kernel image and a bunch of useful patches." "I know this is going to cause a great deal of discussion and speculation. I would like to ask everyone to please be reasonable, and stick to the known facts, as well as to polite forms of discourse. The situation is bad enough as it is, nothing at all can be gained from aggravating anyone involved.

Thank you all for your understanding,

Bernd "Bernie" Meyer"

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Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 18:30 GMT
I want to know exactly what the shitty is between h&p and amiga , seems to be over os 3.9 cuz they wouldn`t let hyperion have the source , maybe their afraid of losing their baby.
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Posted by SlimJim on 02-Apr-2002 18:34 GMT
What is this file "isolinux/bigird.gz"?
I really feel sorry for Mr. Meyer if this isn't resolved. I may not be
an Amithlon user, but the blood, sweat and tears going into such a project is
always something worth respect.
.
SlimJim
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Posted by Troels E on 02-Apr-2002 18:36 GMT
Sad news indeed, just so fuc.... typical this happens in the Amiga market.
Not that I have bought (or considered to buy) Amithlon. But Bernd seems like a nice person, who have put a lot of work into this product, so this must be very hard for him.
Hope you can work something out with Amiga, good luck:-)
Troels Ersking
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Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (SlimJim):
i think it contains the kickstart and other bits amiga iNC. wholey own as in pre os 3.5 created bits , and if H&P haven`t asked amiga if they can use these theres ur reason why amiga want it sorted.
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 02-Apr-2002 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (SlimJim):
The file "isolinux/bigird.gz" is the ram disk image from which Amithlon runs. It contains all the files required to run Amithlon, which includes the executable, a number of rom images, a disk image containing a minimal OS 3.9 installation, and various config files. Basically, it _is_ Amithlon, so unfortunately, there is no way to replace it....
Thank you for your sympathy! Much appreciated.
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Posted by catohagen on 02-Apr-2002 18:40 GMT
what does bigird.gz do ? must me pretty important.....other emulators have
been around for years , why don't they bark at UAE too then ?
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Posted by catohagen on 02-Apr-2002 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (catohagen):
just forget my comment...
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Posted by Budda on 02-Apr-2002 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (catohagen):
Because the UAE user suppliers the Amiga ROM themselves. Amithlon came all set up and ready to go!
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Posted by catohagen on 02-Apr-2002 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Budda):
but isnt the rom files in amithlon payed for ? why AmigaXL package price so
high then ?
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 18:45 GMT
Hey , It sux. Time for H&P to do the right thing!!
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Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (catohagen):
the rom images are probaly meant to be licensed from amiga along with other things but h&p forgot to ask lol
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 02-Apr-2002 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (catohagen):
Other emulators (except for AmigaXL and AmigaForever) leave getting the rom image and OS to the user; The emulators only provide the mechanism to use the files once the user has acquired them from "somewhere". And Gary Peake has at times been very active at shutting down illegal "somewheres", so they _do_ dislike people pirating their stuff for UAE.
AmigaForever comes with a fully licensed version of KS3.1 and OS3.1 (plus many older versions of either, at least in the full CD version). This deal dates back to pre-Amiga Inc times, and thus was probably inherited by the current Amiga Inc.
AmigaXL is bundled with KS3.1 and OS 3.9, but it is part of AmigaOS XL and thus faces the exact same problems as Amithlon right now.
What sets all those other emulators apart from Amithlon is that they have a complete host OS they run on. If you install WinUAE, for example, it is running on top of Windows. Windows provides a filesystem that UAE can access. Thus, a user can download the rom files from her real Amiga, and simply place them where WinUAE will find them.
Amithlon is different --- it runs AmigaOS as close to the hardware as possible. There is a linux kernel underneath, but certainly not a full linux OS. This has many great advantages (In my not completely unbiased opinion :), but it has the disadvantage that there is nowhere for a user to put the ROM file --- all disk access is done under AmigaOS, which is in the rom. Chicken/Egg problem.
For that reason, the rom image and the minimal OS 3.9 installation are an integral and essentially unseperable part of any instance of "Amithlon". I wished it was different, but alas, it isn't.
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Posted by catohagen on 02-Apr-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bernd Meyer):
thx for clearing that issue, but since Amiga Inc. just have sent a
'warning' and not gone to 'legal action' im sure something can be worked
out..
sounds like 'they just want to get payed' ?
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Posted by David Scheibler on 02-Apr-2002 18:59 GMT
Maybe we will now see if AmigaInc really owns the AmigaOS (see court decision
when Escom thought they own it).
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Posted by William F Maddock on 02-Apr-2002 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bernd Meyer):
It seems to me, that if H & P intend to continue as a legitimate part of the Amiga Community *they* need to get this sorted. Like right now. Their reputation is at stake and if they don't do the right thing right away that reputation will be seriously and irrevocably damaged by their *own* actions.
Jesus is Lord.
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Posted by 4pLaY on 02-Apr-2002 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (William F Maddock):
They wrecked theyre reputation years ago! people forgot the H&P vs Phase5? etc :)
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Posted by Aw man! on 02-Apr-2002 19:29 GMT
What I find really strange is why Amiga Inc would go after Amithlon
when it was them who announced it to the world last year. Also Bill
was very proud of it on the Screen Savers programme.
Why is it whenever there is something going wrong H&P are somewhere
nearby?
Hope it's sorted soon Bernd, thankyou for Amithlon!!!
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Posted by Dr. Righteous on 02-Apr-2002 19:29 GMT
Woah woah woah, back this truck up... Exactly who is it that owns Amiga Technologies anyway? I was under the impression that Gateway still owned all the patents, and granted licenses to Amino Inc, who subsequently created Amiga Inc. to utilize those licenses. Please, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
Either way, WOW, this is NUTS!
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 02-Apr-2002 19:33 GMT
I thought the high price (my opinion!) off AmigaOSXL was due to Amiga's licensing costs off AmigaOS3.9 and Roms.
So was it just H&P making big bucks or did you Bernd, get a fair share? Seems 90+% bought the package for Amithlon only.
Troels Ersking
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Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Aw man!):
i think bill likes amithlon , i think its more of a case of mr haage not like amiga.
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Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Dr. Righteous):
i don`t think you can have patents on software in many areas in the world, so i think amiga ownz the os and gateway has all the hardware stuff.
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 02-Apr-2002 19:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Aw man!):
I think I should clarify something here.... Amiga Inc, to the best of my knowledge, have never expressed any dislike for Amithlon. They have, however, expressed grave concern over their IP being used without proper licensing.
While I do have disagreements with Amiga Inc, they have never threatened me personally in any way. I attribute this in no small part to the fact that as soon as I became aware of the unresolved issues, I cooperated with them.
If anyone read the statement as indicating that Amiga Inc threatened me, personally, you misread. However, it is certainly true that I abhor being in a threatenable situation, and am thus rather apprehensive about the whole thing. A damocles sword is not something nice to have hanging over your head, even if it's hung with strong twine and the guy with the scissors has been polite so far....
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Posted by yoodoo on 02-Apr-2002 19:49 GMT
The big problem is that Bernd is getting chased, not H&P, because of Bernd's contract details.
Amiga are probably having a go at H&P for not releasing 3.5/3.9 sources.
Still, makes a change from evryone having a go at Hyperion.
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Posted by pekr on 02-Apr-2002 19:49 GMT
So what do you suggest? Are we going to boycot HP now? :-)
-pekr-
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 02-Apr-2002 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Aw man!):
I think I should clarify something here.... Amiga Inc, to the best of my knowledge, have never expressed any dislike for Amithlon. They have, however, expressed grave concern over their IP being used without proper licensing.
While I do have disagreements with Amiga Inc, they have never threatened me personally in any way. I attribute this in no small part to the fact that as soon as I became aware of the unresolved issues, I cooperated with them.
If anyone read the statement as indicating that Amiga Inc threatened me, personally, you misread. However, it is certainly true that I abhor being in a threatenable situation, and am thus rather apprehensive about the whole thing. A damocles sword is not something nice to have hanging over your head, even if it's hung with strong twine and the guy with the scissors has been polite so far....
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 02-Apr-2002 19:52 GMT
I don't see a problem? Why not just do a 68K compile of AROS and use it instead of the original AmigaOS. AROS is AmigaOS binary compatible on the 68K CPU, so there should be no problems.
Except that you would have to release it under the APL :-).
Best wishes.
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Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Matt Parsons):
there would be no reason for the extra trouble of doing that if h&p and amiga sorted it all out in the first place.
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Posted by Kronos on 02-Apr-2002 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (yoodoo):
If mudfight are all that left over in Amiga-buisness
its time to leave !
I will continue to use Amithlon for a while , but if
this is made "illegal" by AInc. i will go somewhere
open-source like AROS or OpenBeOS, hell i even consider
taking up Linux again !
BtW: I smell french fries (not invented in France)
@Bernie
McBill is always exicted when he sees some money coming
in, but i don't think he really cares for anything
besides his beloved AA/DE/intent-crap.
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Posted by paul Hill on 02-Apr-2002 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bernd Meyer):
I assume Amithlon uses LILO (or something similar) to load. Could you not provide a utility to write the KS to the boot area? Alternatively, how about storing the KS on a floppy?
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Posted by cOrpse on 02-Apr-2002 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Kronos):
AA/DE/intent crap ? sadly confused
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 02-Apr-2002 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (paul Hill):
Trust me, I have been thinking about ways to get the user to supply kickstart/OS (mainly about 9 months ago, when licenses for that stuff seemed to be hard to come by and a stumbling block...).
The problem is that it all gets very clunky very quickly. Amithlon is about putting in a CD, booting, and ending up in Workbench.
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Posted by Neko on 02-Apr-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (yoodoo):
There is no source-release issue between H&P and Amiga Inc.
The contract details as most understand them are that H&P developed OS3.5 and
OS3.9 under the condition that they paid Amiga xyz amounts of money up front
for the licensing of the Amiga name and trademarks and symbols thereof, and
then a steady royalty for every copy sold.
The terms of the contract state that should Amiga Inc. wish to buy back the
product, they can: and so far, they haven't. Amiga OS3.5 and Amiga OS3.9 are
NOT official Amiga products that Amiga own, they are merely licensed software.
The source code is still owned by the respective authors and/or H&P as the
developer of those particular versions of the OS. That's how *I* understand
it anyway.
If H&P won't hand over code to Amiga, then tough titties to Amiga, unless they
do what they say and buy back that code and licensing. What we have here, I
suspect, is a dispute between H&P and Amiga for something else, which MAY be
exaserbated by the fact that AmigaXL came with OS ROMs - something H&P say they
negotiated by have never confirmed a real deal.
It wouldn't be a huge leap of the imagination to think that Amiga do not look
too kindly on the rebundling of their IP in a product they did not endorse by
contract since both AmigaXL and Amithlon both use the BoingBall outside of the
OS3.9 license (in logos etc.) and include AmigaOS ROM images (of which Cloanto
seem to still be the only license holder).
While Amiga could enforce the logos, it's debatable in German law at least
whether Amiga even own the kickstart rom, since Escom could not prove when
challenged by another company (Villagetronic, they say) that they had the
rights to it. And when Escom->Gateway->Aminomiga, the rights didn't magically
re-appear..
Matt
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Posted by redrumloa on 02-Apr-2002 20:28 GMT
This all is bad, very bad. Good luck Bernie:-/ I hope H&P resolves this very fast,
you deserve to make a profite and not feel so uncertain about it's legality. You
have a very nice product I have been meaning to buy:-/
Again best wishes, I hope this works out for you.
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Posted by acg on 02-Apr-2002 20:31 GMT
I just hope this gets resolved to the best of all parties....
These kind of disputes happens a lot of times, and a company does
have a right to protect its intellectual property, and sometimes
contracts are negotiated without taking into account "all" of the
possibilities, and then sometime later, the need for clarification
arises, and lawsuits, and the rest can follow...
I just hope this can be done in an AMIable way (no pun intended)..
so there can be more products out there that allow Amigas or
Amiga emulators to be used.....
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Posted by smithy on 02-Apr-2002 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (yoodoo):
>The big problem is that Bernd is getting chased, not H&P, because of Bernd's
>contract details.
Yes, you are right. I feel bad for Bernd - all he did was try to do something for the Amiga community, I hope this situation is sorted out soon.
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Posted by Don Cox on 02-Apr-2002 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (smithy):
Bernie not only tried to do something for the Amiga community - he
succeeded where everyone else has failed.
There may be other good stuff to come from Hyperion, but so far,
Amithlon is the best thing we have had since Commodore folded.
Let's hope this mess can be sorted out quickly.
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Posted by smithy on 02-Apr-2002 21:00 GMT
You know, I was thinking, all these lawsuits in the software biz (didn't Paul Nolan of Photogenics have problems too?) puts you off developing software at all just in case you tread on some global-corporation's toes.
If I release anything I may use an alias.
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Posted by Alan Watson on 02-Apr-2002 21:04 GMT
This is bad.For Mr Meyer's sake,I hope that this is sorted out as soon
as possible.It's horrible when you put your trust in someone and they
stab you in the back(I know,I've had it done to me).Especially when
it's out of your hands,and you're powerless to do anything about it.
I hope that Amiga Inc make H&P pay for their descisions,and that
Mr Meyer can find a decent distributor for Amithlon that will treat
him with some respect.
H&P deserves to be slaughtered for this kind of sly behaviour.
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Posted by Kronos on 02-Apr-2002 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Alan Watson):
I don't think it is that simple.
According to Mr Haage they have been negotiating
with AInc for the last 8 month or and AInc newer
said anything against selling AmigaOSXL sofar.
Why ?
a)Outside interference
b)AInc forgot H&P just like they had forgotten Petro
and the whole German-Amiga-section.
b) does sound very likely if you look at McBills record
sofar.
AmigaOS on DE
free Updates for the DE
Party-Pack
AOS4 and AOne right on time (last summer)
DE will ship with every Zaurus
and so on
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Posted by Alan Watson on 02-Apr-2002 21:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kronos):
>I don't think it is that simple.
It never is,is it?....The fact that H&P are still selling AmigaOS XL after being
asked not to says a lot for their methods...
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Posted by KenH on 02-Apr-2002 21:48 GMT
I don't know how the lawyers have the contracts worded. But it sounds like Amiga Inc own the base of OS3.9 and H&P own the trimmings they added to it. One thing I do know is that if a decent honest coder who is trying to help a dying platform (I don't know how much Amithlon has sold...but it has probably added to the value of the IP) gets messed around, there's going to be a whole lot of Boycotting going on...Amiga Inc included.(finally a justifiable reason;)
Think about it. It could be you or me...it doesn't exactly encourage people to code for a platform whose ownership is uncertain. It better be resolved quickly.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 02-Apr-2002 22:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kronos):
First of all I'd like to express my disgust that after all this time the situation has been allowed to deteriorate to the point where this action had to be taken. It is my opinion that both Amiga Inc and H&P could and should have made more effort in resolving a dispute which only serves to drag the Amiga brand through the mud once again.
I'd also like to express my full support for Mr Meyer as I know he has gone out of his way to respect all the IP rights involved, even when this meant taking the difficult route. Amithlon could have been distributed without a Kickstart image and AmigaOS, putting the onus on the user to supply these, but it was felt that the best way for everyone was to go with what should have been a fully licensed product. It seems that Bernie's reward for his efforts has been that he has been hung out to dry. "Good faith" is a term which the Amiga industry seems to have forgotten the meaning of.
@Kronos
> I don't think it is that simple.
Actually, the whole thing SHOULD be that simple. There's nothing stopping the dispute being resolved except a complete lack of a will to do so.
> According to Mr Haage they have been negotiating
> with AInc for the last 8 month or and AInc newer
> said anything against selling AmigaOSXL sofar.
They have repeatedly described the product as "Amiga approved", and I think we can take things at face value. Amiga Inc were happy with the arrangement as originally proposed, but eventually got fed up with the lack of a final outcome. Having heard a little about H&P negotations at other times, it seems stalling ad infinitum is one of their favourite tactics.
> Why ?
> a)Outside interference
No. I think you can discount this completely, and the situation should not be used to start another round of blame and counter-blame with Amithlon's opponents.
> b) AInc forgot H&P just like they had forgotten
> Petro and the whole German-Amiga-section.
Nothing so dramatic. They have probably simply got fed up with waiting for the revenue from what H&P have admitted is their best-selling product. I suspect that if Amiga Inc say the product is unlicensed , they have not received any of the license fees, which H&P in turn have repeatedly told the public are the justification for the product's high retail price.
It will be interesting to see if either Amiga Inc or H&P will be bothered to make a statement of their own and what, if anything, they have to say for themselves.
In the meanwhile, I hope that Bernie's own legal status with respect to liability is resolved quickly, and that he is not too disillusioned with the whole scene to continue the product in some way and bring out the much awaited "Big" update when the situation allows.
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Posted by Madtrekker on 02-Apr-2002 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (KenH):
What is this obsession with boycotting in the Amiga world at the moment?!
As users we are privy to few of the real facts behind what is going on at any point in time. I can see why faith would be hard to maintain in this market but that is precisely what is needed if Amiga is ever to return at all.
The situation with Amithlon is unfortunate but boycotts are totally unneccessary. If you have a problem with a company's practices then by all means don't buy from them, and even communicate that problem if it is likely to be of interest to others, but all of the boycotts that are going around at the moment paint a very negative view of the supposedly great Amiga community.
Let's wait and see what the end result is before we start burning people (or organisations) at the stake. Let's boycott the boycotts :)
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Posted by KenH on 02-Apr-2002 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Madtrekker):
>What is this obsession with boycotting in the Amiga world at the moment?!
My comment was kind of tongue in cheek. But it is more of a valid reason to be doing any boycotting......which involves not buying any products (H&P take note)
>As users we are privy to few of the real facts behind what is going on at any point in time. I can see why faith would be hard to maintain in this market but that is precisely what is needed if Amiga is ever to return at all.
Frankly the fact that a guy who has worked his ass off is even having to contemplate being sued is enough fact for me. I'm not jumping to anything now....it's just a warning that if enough people in the community put their minds to it, they could severely dent a companys bank balance.
>The situation with Amithlon is unfortunate but boycotts are totally unneccessary. If you have a problem with a company's practices then by all means don't buy from them, and even communicate that problem if it is likely to be of interest to others, but all of the boycotts that are going around at the moment paint a very negative view of the supposedly great Amiga community.
Yes it's true we should hear from the other parties involved first....If we don't like what they say then can we boycott huh huh!?!? ;)
>Let's wait and see what the end result is before we start burning people (or organisations) at the stake. Let's boycott the boycotts :)
I'd rather see organisations be burned a little than one man be burned alot.
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Posted by anonymous on 02-Apr-2002 23:17 GMT
Hang in there Bernie.
The fact that Amiga Inc. have issued an acknowledgement of violation of terms of the distribution policy for their intellectual property shows that they are acting in good faith -- they could have issued a cease and desist order.
At issue is either a misunderstanding or contravention of the terms of agreement between Amiga Inc. and H&P. Surely H&P consulted with Amiga Inc. before beginning to sell the product? And in turn, I'm sure Bernie checked with H&P to confirm that they weren't stepping on any toes given the level of accountability? Please Bernie say it's so!
Just as momentum is starting to pick up in this market fragmentation tries to rear its ugly head.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 02-Apr-2002 23:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (William F Maddock):
> Jesus is Lord.
You can't get him to do something about this mess, can you? ;)
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Posted by leif on 02-Apr-2002 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Bill Hoggett):
Well, if I understand christianity right,
Jesus lives in all of us, so it shouldnt
be too hard contacting him about this issue.
Anyone could do it, pherhaps not all wants to.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Apr-2002 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Neko):
Just on the subject of the logos, the issue would be cloudy even if it was part of the Amiga Inc objections - which it isn't.
Not speaking for AmigaXL, but the problem with the BoingBall is that Amiga Inc do not use a consistent frozen image. The one on the AmigaSDK is different from the one on AmigaOS 3.9 for instance. The one thing that is consistent however, is the number of latitudinal ("horizontal") bands used, which in the case of the BoingBall is 6. The red & white chequered ball that is part of the Amithlon logo has 8 such bands, and while the similarity at first sight is intentional, it might be hard to make a case for trademark infringement.
AFAIK, the logo used in AmigaOS XL *is* the BoingBall, with the exception of the splash screen which appears when you boot Amithlon from CD, which is the only place in the package the Amithlon logo makes an appearance.
However the issue is IP, not trademarks.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Apr-2002 00:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (leif):
> Well, if I understand christianity right,
It may be worth remembering that not everyone who uses an Amiga is a Christian.
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Posted by Dr. Righteous on 03-Apr-2002 00:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Bill Hoggett):
Indeed... I happen to be a Deist-Pagan myself... But nevermind that stuff.
I call into question Amiga Inc's claim to Amiga Kickstart ROM as it's intellectual property.
Currently, the US copyright for it was issued to Escom AG, who is now defunct. That copyright may have been transfered to Gateway... But I'm still unclear as to how things work between Gateway Inc. and Amino Corp./Amiga Inc.
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