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Posted on 04-Apr-2002 06:34 GMT by Christian Kemp46 comments
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Jens Schönfeld writes: The Commodore One project is close to completion. Now it's supported by professionals. Commodore One is a C-64 compatible computer with lots of added features that has been under development for more than a year now. The project is close to completion, and the first production run can be started within the next three months.

Individual Computers will support Jeri Ellsworth, the developer of the new computer, with money, sourcing of material and knowledge about small quantity production.

The new board will be distributed in Europe by individual Computers, so it will be available from all our trade partners mentioned on the contact page of Jens Schönfeld's website.

Jeri Ellsworth, the former owner of the "Computer made easy" stores, will sell all retrocomputing-related products from individual Computer's product line, such as the Retro Replay, the Catweasel floppy controller and the "Retro Replay plus Silversurfer" combination.

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Posted by Douglas McLaughlin on 04-Apr-2002 04:39 GMT
Yeah! Go Jeri!
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Posted by Amigafreak on 04-Apr-2002 05:08 GMT
It's impressive to see what a single talented young woman is capable of between all the egomaniacs in this sh!thole called Earth. You go girl! :)
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Posted by jools on 04-Apr-2002 05:45 GMT
I want a CommodoreOne far more than I want an AmigaOne :)
It will ship first too :)
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Posted by lakeside on 04-Apr-2002 06:16 GMT
This is GREAT news!! I'm actually more excited about this development then I am about the AmigaOne. (Go figure) I got to meet Jeri at AmiWest2001 and she was INCREDIBLE!!! I am very glad to see that a "real" company has offered to help her along with her machine! As soon as they start selling them I'm going to get one!! And I'm sure your correct Jools. This product WILL ship before the A1...
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Posted by 4pLaY on 04-Apr-2002 07:25 GMT
Hehe if the price is right i might just buy one of these to play around with :) who knows maybe it can get me interested in C64 stuff again :).
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Apr-2002 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (lakeside):
ehh? first production run of A1 is ongoing atm...
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Apr-2002 07:51 GMT
Does anyone have a link to a webpage about this project?
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Posted by Elwood on 04-Apr-2002 07:58 GMT
If she could work on the A1, it would be great !
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Posted by James Whelan on 04-Apr-2002 08:19 GMT
Great news - I'll be buying one as well as an Amiga One.
As a matter of interest, who actually owns the rights to the Commodore name and logo?
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Posted by 4pLaY on 04-Apr-2002 08:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (James Whelan):
Tulip in holland does.
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 04-Apr-2002 08:32 GMT
I am *SO* going to get me one of these :)
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Posted by anon on 04-Apr-2002 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Elwood):
Problem is: A1 is designed in far east. She have move to some asian country to actually work on A1. And then she have to explain the engineers there, what an amiga actually was/is.
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Posted by Solar on 04-Apr-2002 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (lakeside):
> I am very glad to see that a "real" company has offered to help
> her along with her machine!
Yes, and a big player too...
</irony>
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 04-Apr-2002 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Solar):
Hey! Don't knock Individual Computers! They are very experienced at actually getting products to market, even when that market is small.
What they do, they do very well. That sort of comment is unnecessary.
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Posted by kriz on 04-Apr-2002 09:19 GMT
yeah Individual always deliver what they promise. !
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 04-Apr-2002 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (kriz):
Meaning?
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Apr-2002 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Peter Gordon):
Well it's in contrast with all these Amiga companies, isn't it?
They say "Give us $100 for free updates, free OS 4, free everything"
and then they say "Um, no free updates, and OS 4 will be from a 3rd party so..."
Or they say "We will ship this special AmigaOne in the Summer" and then they say "Oh, we decided not to do that. How about next Summer instead?" and then "No, wait, we're going to make a completely different computer."
Or worst of all they talk about "a few months work" and then six months later have almost nothing to show for it.
I see crazed Amigans licking the boots of people who have achieved NOTHING, and praising them for running PowerPC Linux on... drum roll... a generic PPC motherboard. Sure, stick a Boing Ball on it and all will be forgiven, whatever.
I think the POINT was that some companies deliver, and therefore you can expect to actually buy a Commodore One, and probably before you can buy an A1.5 even though it was _supposed_ to be here over a year ago.
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Posted by Budda on 04-Apr-2002 10:18 GMT
Any pictures of the product/motherboard yet, or Jeri? :)
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Posted by Mark Smith on 04-Apr-2002 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Budda):
Go to the website http://www.commodoreone.com and look in the news section there is a nice almost finished prototype picture there.
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 04-Apr-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Ahh... I just wasn't sure if he was being sarcastic or not :)
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 04-Apr-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Mark Smith):
Which, as almost always is down due to exceeding a allocated transfer amount :) They should get mirrors for this thing.
/Björn
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Posted by Raffaele on 04-Apr-2002 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (4pLaY):
James Whelan on 04-Apr-2002 wrote:
>Great news - I'll be buying one as well as an Amiga One.
>As a matter of interest, who actually owns the rights to the Commodore name >and logo?
And 4pLaY Replied:
>Tulip in holland does.
Tulip the canned meat company???
:-)))))
(Joking...)
;-)))))
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Apr-2002 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Solar):
>> I am very glad to see that a "real" company has offered to help
>> her along with her machine!
>Yes, and a big player too...
></irony>
That has achieved much more than you.
</irony>
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Posted by Andreas Wolf on 04-Apr-2002 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Budda):
http://www.luckyclub.net/2001-pics.html
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Apr-2002 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (anon):
No.
"A1" is simply a specification. There is nothing stopping her from creating her own version of the "A1" spec should she want to. As such, she can do that wherever in the world she wants :-)
Besides, she seems more at ease with classics. As such, the A1 spec probably wouldn't be that interesting to her. She'd probably be more happy with producing enhanced Classic Amiga compatible hardware.
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Posted by Graham on 04-Apr-2002 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Mick Tinker could learn a thing or two about finishing projects from her...
:)
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Posted by ehaines on 04-Apr-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
> I think the POINT was that some companies deliver, and therefore you can
> expect to actually buy a Commodore One, and probably before you can buy an
> A1.5 even though it was _supposed_ to be here over a year ago.
Eyetech generally seems to deliver, and so does Hyperion. AmigaInc. isn't
really involved now. Anyway, I already bought an A1-G3-SE, and unless the
factory explodes or the shipment gets lost or something, I should have it in
a month. So probably you are wrong.
However, I did quite enjoy the C64/C128 in some ways more than the Amiga, and
even sold some programs I wrote on them, so the CommodoreOne looks cool. But
maybe FrodoPPC on the Amiga is enough C64 for me now.
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Posted by Don Cox on 04-Apr-2002 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (ehaines):
So what is this CommodoreOne ?
A motherboard with a 6502 processor ?
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Posted by redrumloa on 04-Apr-2002 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (ehaines):
>However, I did quite enjoy the C64/C128 in some ways more than the Amiga, and
>even sold some programs I wrote on them, so the CommodoreOne looks cool.
The C=One is cool! Get one and write us some programs:-)
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Posted by redrumloa on 04-Apr-2002 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Don Cox):
>So what is this CommodoreOne ?
>A motherboard with a 6502 processor ?
6502? No. It has a 65c816 CPU.
All the specs here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=commodoreone&hl=en&selm=la0f8.518%24d%254.1563561%40bcandid.telisphere.com&rnum=1
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Posted by Don Cox on 04-Apr-2002 17:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (redrumloa):
So I was nearly right - it's a 6502-compatible CPU. And there is a
6502 on there as well.
I never owned a C64, but this looks like a very good project, even
including a Copper.
Perhaps she could design an Amiga clone next. ;-)
(My telephone has a 6502 in it.)
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Posted by NihilVor on 04-Apr-2002 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (redrumloa):
>The C=One is cool! Get one and write us some programs:-)
I think I'll pass... but have fun.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 04-Apr-2002 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Don Cox):
So has my keyboard, so what? :)
Actually, thats a 6570, a microcontroller with inputs and outputs instead of address and databus, but it is based on a 6502 core, afaik...
And I have several of those in various amigas... ;)
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Posted by priest on 05-Apr-2002 08:02 GMT
More tasks for individual computers:
-Amiga floppyadapter for A1.5 and for pegasos
-Amiga digital joysticadapter for A1.5 and for pegasos
-Geek port adapter for A1.5 and for pegasos
-powerfull DSP card for A1.5 and for pegasos
;)
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 05-Apr-2002 08:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (priest):
A1G3-SE, not A1.5!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Frans on 05-Apr-2002 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (priest):
That'd be a great idea, the floppy adapter'd be very useful I think.
If necessary the Paula chip could be user supplied and pushed into a socket on the card...
I have plenty of old Amiga's and I wouldn't mind pulling a Paula out of one of them to be able to use standard Amiga Floppies...
Frans
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 05-Apr-2002 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Frans):
Ok, I offer a control chip to allow for Amiga floppies and nobody bites. Now people are going "that's a good idea" make up your mind folks!
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Posted by redrumloa on 05-Apr-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Nathaniel Downes):
When did you make one? I havent seen this! Or if you havnt yet and think you could
pull it off, by all means do it! I don't wan't or need that fancy A1200 bridge,
an Amiga floppy controller would be nice for old games with an integrated UAE.
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Posted by Darrin on 05-Apr-2002 23:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Nathaniel Downes):
If you can make an Amiga floppy adapter for the A1 then I'd be VERY interested. I think if Eyetech/Bplan want to offer "the best possible clasic compatability" then the ability to read Amiga formatted disks (including ones with non-standard bootblocks) is a must.
Of course, not everyone wants to read Amiga formatted disks... but some of us do.
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 06-Apr-2002 00:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (redrumloa):
I did it awhile ago, maybe 2+ years ago. It's not that complex. The whole setup used a 6800 w/ a small FPGA to give an internal and external floppy port. Fit right onto an ISA card.
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 06-Apr-2002 00:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Darrin):
Do you guys honestly want this? I can dig up the design and upgrade it a bit to work on PCI. Even dig to see about adding some additional amiga compatability. I have the timing fixed, so that's 90% of the issue solved right there.
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Posted by Frank Brockway on 06-Apr-2002 03:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Nathaniel Downes):
> Do you guys honestly want this? I can dig up the design and upgrade it a
> bit to work on PCI. Even dig to see about adding some additional amiga
> compatability. I have the timing fixed, so that's 90% of the issue solved
> right there.
I bet it would be a big seller. Do it! A plus would be drivers not only for AmigaOS 4, but also linux, Winblow$ and Mac0s.
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Posted by redrumloa on 06-Apr-2002 04:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Nathaniel Downes):
Sure go for it! There is a market for this. If the price isn't nutz I'll buy one.
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Posted by Raffaele on 06-Apr-2002 06:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Nathaniel Downes):
Nathaniel wrote:
>Do you guys honestly want this?
>I can dig up the design and upgrade it a bit to work on PCI.
>Even dig to see about adding some additional amiga compatability.
>I have the timing fixed, so that's 90% of the issue solved right there.
If you will bring it to us as an UNIVERSAL FLOPPY READER for PC, then I will buy one...
By the way...
If you want to let it became a killer Card for PC, or at least for every PCI bus on the scene you must realize:
PCI CARD with UNIVERSAL FLOPPY READER INTERFACE
And with
USB CONTROLLER
FIREWIRE PORTS
---Any further wish---
Maybe Ultrawide SCSI?
---end wish---
But if you integrate first two issues, then you will able to sell it everywhere in very big quantities...
...and on almost any platform worldwide...
But if you want to add the USB support, I think that you have to deal with (at least) the persons who made the Highway-subway (who have already USB Know-how) and join them to realize such this brand new (/and expected) card...
Bye,
Raffaele
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 06-Apr-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Raffaele):
there's no point to adding firewire/usb to such a card as that's already included in the AmigaONE. And supporting every known OS for man is also ludicrus. This was just a "what if" question for amiga-folk only. And as it turned out an unnecessary one, as someone else is already plotting to release such a card for the A1. I'll continue to work on Eddas then.
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Posted by Raffaele on 06-Apr-2002 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Nathaniel Downes):
And regarding such a card for the Amiga I was talking about...
I have understood you are talking about the Amiga and the compatibility of floppies on PC...
About Amiga 1SE? Do you think that 4 USB are sufficient?
1 for keyboard (*)
1 for mouse & Tablet (*) (with pass thru or at least 1 for mouse and 1 for tablet)
1 for printer & scanner (with pass thru or at least 1 for printer and 1 for scanner)
1 for modem
1 for memory stick & cards
1 for direct link to USB cameras
1 for USB Satellite box (I have already seen one on a newspaper)
1 for external HDs and CD writers (for Backup compatibility)
How many USB ports must a poor man had purchased of?
And to add something to the soup...
What do you think about these other hypotetical USB devices for the existing ports???
1 for Bluetooth
1 for new electronic pencils to write on electrical conducing paper
1 for new monitors, usb based
One people can plug in and out those occupied by printer & scanner, but in the long time...???
And if they are placed all in the rear of the cabinet???
A plug in, plug out nightmare...
Geeee... future people must genetically engineerize theirselves in order to let increase the numeber of spare arms and hands...
A computer user will look like Kali goddess...
I think that in the nearby future we will submerged by USB devices of all dimensions, wheight... and God only knows what...
I hope that pass-thru ports will help us as well as USB-HUB devices...
But in lack of this all (many USB devices come with only one port), a multi i/o card will be welcome...
Bye,
Raffaele
(*)Amiga 1SE comes with PS2 connectors for Mouse and Keyboard,
but soon their production will be discontinued due to the reorganization of all production on USB based devices only...
If we are lucky PS2 based devices will be produced to keep compatibility with eleder machines for a long time,
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