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Posted on 07-Apr-2002 05:18 GMT by Christian Kemp32 comments
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kevin orme wrote: This is a somewhat cynical and sad review of the recent Amiga Expo, even so, I wish I could have gone: TurksHeadReview
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 1 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 07-Apr-2002 05:38 GMT
More like it was a platform for the writer to push his/her editorial than a lot of content about the expo. The fact that the writer didnt know that Australia is not in Europe and that skull is spelt with a 'k'.....
Also the information about Amiga and the Zaurus is incorrect, not that it makes any difference anyway.
Illuminati will go and get their reviews of the expo elsewhere.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 2 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 07-Apr-2002 06:23 GMT
LOL! :D
That's the best summary of the sad state of "Amigan" affairs I have read so far.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 3 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 07-Apr-2002 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
Maybe he meant Austria.
Seems to be a typical american mistake :)
A few weeks ago on VIVA (just think of MTV) in a interview
with some boygroup:
VJ:"So after the shows in Germany you are going to Austria..."
BB:"Austria no that can't be right its an european tour."
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 4 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 07-Apr-2002 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kronos):
Actually, I do believe he meant Australia, and yes, I actually believe he knows where Australia can be found on the map. A bit more structured thinking/writing would've solved this little problem. I'm not too sure about the survivability of an emulated platform, at least not as a platform of daily choice. Games? Yes. Some demo coding or coding just for fun? Yes, maybe. Serious business? No. Professional work? Hardly in the long run.
As for OS4.0 and Amiga DE/Anywhere, well, I'm too wise to start yet another flamewar, I'll simply leave that to the ones speaking before thinking.
He's right about REBOL having the Amiga spirit, though.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 5 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Jingo Jango on 07-Apr-2002 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Lennart Fridén):
You're right about REBOL, I've been reading about how it's stirred up passions a la amiga amongst it's users. Carl must practice some form of programming voodoo ;-)
The rest of it was a mixture of the truth (we have seen better days) and also a bit of Moobunny Anti-amigaism. When I started using amigas in 1998 the community was so much stronger, no-one was really too bothered about all the grand plans. It was the lack of platform migration (to PPC or x86 depending on your preference), the lack of cheap hardware (PCI etc.), and the lack of direction (H&P Amiga P5 ONX Pheonix yadda yadda) that has slowly killed us off.
Amiga have tried to resolve these, but it was too little too late.
We can only hope that things might stablise with the Next-Gen systems (but then we have a split!!!!)
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 6 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 07-Apr-2002 08:29 GMT
I spoke to a learning disabled woman who had taken part in the special olympics. She's a smoker, did not do too well and said of her race:
"Those one legged men are faaast"
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 7 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 07-Apr-2002 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Lennart Fridén):
I believe he also meant Australia but we will have to leave it to the author as to whether he was confusing it with Austria or whether it was lack of structured writing.
Go ahead start another flamewar over AmigaAnywhere/DE ( which is effectively what he was doing in the article ).
If your writing before thinking comment was directed at me read this: Im not bothered one way or another about the technology I was merely pointing out that Amiga Inc. not having apps ready in time for Zaurus was not the main problem.
If you think I meant anything else perhaps you need to apply that cutting remark to yourself. However Im sure that you cannot have been angling that at me - perhaps you will enlighten. :-)
It was not a great review of the expo, not because of its cynicism but because it spent a vast majority of its words as a platform to expound views on the Amiga rather than on the show. If there wasnt much to write about on the show a shorter article would suffice ;-)
Dave.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 8 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 07-Apr-2002 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveW):
Being in the UK at the time of the show i will now proceed to review it:
:)
Seriously, my take away from the show was that OS4 information which seemed really encouraging.
A couple of my concerns like ability to do online banking and scsi ability were put to rest.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 9 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Apr-2002 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (John Block):
It does seem that the show was a bit disappointing, which is a pity
after all the work Kermit and others put into organising it.
I think the timing was bad. A few weeks later and there could have
been an AmigaOne board to demonstrate, and probably more AA stuff too.
There really should have been somebody from Amiga Inc there, if they
support the Amiga at all. And it's a pity that QNX dropped out.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 10 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 07-Apr-2002 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
Well. The next AltWOA will rock.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 11 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 07-Apr-2002 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (DaveW):
Well I did mean to add.... will the map to the next alt.woa venue be downloadable as a payback map? ;-)
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 12 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 07-Apr-2002 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (DaveW):
Idea for killer app to brag off A1+AOS4 to the world:
Payback slightly modified to help you navigate on real world maps. Load map, plot start+end points, test drive the road and then get in the RL car. :)
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 13 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 07-Apr-2002 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
With or without guns, tanks and the pigs?
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 14 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 07-Apr-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveW):
Of course I wasn't angling at you, I merely stated that the bloke got a poorly structured article and that writing before thinking often leads to that.
Geez, ANNers are one hell of a jumpy bunch, aren't they? :-)
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 15 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 07-Apr-2002 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Lennart Fridén):
Blame it on too much Payback playing ;-)
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 16 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 07-Apr-2002 14:34 GMT
A rather boring article. Did not even find it amusing, let alone interesting.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 17 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 07-Apr-2002 16:24 GMT
Clever, but just a *little* self-serving - perhaps the author should understand the difference between a 'review' and a diatribe. And the arrogant jab at Dave Haynie was inexcusable. Not that Hazy would care - he's simply too cool to give two turds.
Let's face it, the location and timing was bad if anyone had any misconceptions of a return to the glory days. The forum is no longer ideal -- how many people listened in on the interview with Ben compared to the number that attended? Travelling just isn't feasible when you can participate virtually. For vendors the costs of setting up even a modest booth for a few days are unrealistic. How many of you work for companies in the IT industry that no longer attend industry trade shows? Preaching to the choir provides a pretty poor ROI.
September also would have been a better choice given the pending release of OS4, the AmigaOne and the ongoing evolution of Amiga Anywhere. The community is still in a vacuum.
However, Kermit and all involved should be given kudos for putting heart and soul into something they truly believe in. The show may have been amateurish for some but it didn't aspire to be anything more than a grassroots get together. By that yardstick, it was a success.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 18 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 07-Apr-2002 16:24 GMT
It was a sad article. But I think he was reflecting how watching
the Amiga start and grow, was as if one were watching a child
prodigy start with lots of promise, and have them have a few
challenges, and they fail, and their promise is gone. They are
replaced by intelligent, energetic types with no soul.
The "amiga" spirt was and is, more of a synergistic approach to
technology where the effect is greater than the sum of its
parts.
It needs a quantum leap in technological wizardry to get that
spirit going.....This is hard to do in a world where the "economics"
of the situation is controlled by one company.
Bringing it back in a somewhat modern form is not bad, emulation
in any form as long as it is flawless is not bad either,
but I for one would like to see it come back with some wizardry...
"3-D holographic displays?, super HDTV?, 4k x 4k displays?,
parallel computing (ala Cray?),
The idea of Amiga anywhere is a good idea..it carried out, it
can allow any Amiga anywhere program to run on any superduper
hardware as long as there is a translater...so if any of the above
mentioned technological wizardry can run Amiga anywhere that would
be very cool.
Hope so.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 19 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Apr-2002 16:32 GMT
Really a laughable "report". That guy does not have a clue about anything.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 20 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Apr-2002 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (acg):
I was under the impression "THATS" what DE was all about
Platform independance.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 21 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 07-Apr-2002 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (John Block):
The UK? Isnt that in Canada?
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 22 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by JW on 07-Apr-2002 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kronos):
A typical European mistake is to try and call one country of America, America! It shows the basic lack of education which seems to be universal now in the world.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 23 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 07-Apr-2002 18:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (DaveW):
London is for sure.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 24 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Apr-2002 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
DE is ... It's about building a platform that's "Not much worse, and really not that expensive". It's exactly as platform independent as modern Unix software, you can get it to work on a bunch of systems, except the ones where it doesn't work and the ones where it would be pointless even it did. That's pretty much state-of-the-art in platform independence anyway.
Cooked demos (we have hand-crafted this code to run on these disparate machines) prove nothing, iBCS demos did that too, but look at the world a handful of years later, the iBCS support in Linux gets used less often than old-world a.out. Of course the thing that killed iBCS was API standardisation. Fast forward to AmigaDE and look in horror at the level of functionality currently available on that platform. Where's my telephony API? Can I use pro audio plugins? Are there hooks for PKI? AInc's answer is always "Coming soon", but every alternative has the right answer now, and the answer is "Yes, use our native API"
Demos not cooked? With everything short of the name and some header files under restrictive NDAs and AInc's developer release always "around the corner" but never actually in sight you can't argue that. It's all smoke and mirrors until the real thing ships (years late) to third parties.
Amiga apologists will argue that you can escape to native code if you need to, but they miss the point here that the moment you do that you've paid the full price of entry (poor performance, additional licensing) only to leave the party (no more platform independence) already.
Hilariously the end result is the anti-thesis of old-school Amiga, trying to persuade the public NOT to expect games to run "on the metal," but instead look forward to getting the same game, with the same lowest-common-denominator features on every PDA from last years entry-level to a scorching hot new one.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 25 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 07-Apr-2002 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (JW):
Did you read the guy's comment? "typical american mistake", referring to the group of people known as Americans. And before you spout some more about how that could apply to anyone from The Americas, read http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 26 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 07-Apr-2002 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (JW):
>A typical European mistake is to try and call one country of America, America!
>It shows the basic lack of education which seems to be universal now in the
>world.
Another typical mistake is to try and call all of Europe one country. Unlike the USA, none of the countries in Europe have the name "Europe" as part of their names...
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 27 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 07-Apr-2002 21:25 GMT
Well, anyway. I thought the article was rather strange and lacked any continuity, purpose or structure.
It did raise at least one valid point though:
>or the vaporous Nokia settop box announcement, which last time I looked has
>yet to surface in the press releases archived at Nokia's web site,
Everybody seems to have forgotten about this Nokia partnership now, even the pro-DE lobby don't seem keen on talking about it.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 28 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 08-Apr-2002 07:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (smithy):
I've seen quite a few ads about in in Swedish mainstream computer magazines. Can't say I've paid it much attention since I'm about as interested in as...uhm...any other STB.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 29 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 08-Apr-2002 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Lennart Fridén):
STBs phtooie! AmigaONE and AmigaOS4 is the way forward, anything that allows me to play PPC games with silky smooth updates.
I dont know why people think that STBs will be remotely popular.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 30 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by jack on 08-Apr-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (DaveW):
"I don't know why people think that STBs will be remotely popular"
Because you need one to watch Sky or cable?
Seriously though, the Nokia thing is more like a TiVO/iTV than a STB.
I think the whole HD recording thing is quite cool, and web and email
is a bonus.
The main STB market will probably be a corporate one - devices
competing to be provided as the standard decoder box. The AmiAny thing
is a draw because it means the cable company can change the box any
time they want without redoing all the s/w.
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 31 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 08-Apr-2002 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (jack):
Ah but the STBs from Sky are closed systems as are the ones for Cable. Most people are waiting for integrated sets - which is my point. How many digital TV providers are left for Nokia to go after with this???
turksheadreview of Amiga Expo : Comment 32 of 32ANN.lu
Posted by Robb on 09-Apr-2002 00:22 GMT
I know I'm lame and al, but I saw nothing about Amiga when I went to the link.
Could somebody please show me the error of my ways?
Thanx.
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