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Posted on 09-Apr-2002 14:47 GMT by Christian Kemp38 comments
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catohagen writes: "VGR is proud to announce the release the first Webcam pictures taken with a Amiga with a USB Webcam connected to the Amiga with a standard off the shelf UHCI USB PCI interface card. " "The pictures were taken with the following hardware:
A4000, A4000 G-Rex by DCE VIA 83572 UHCI PCI USB card and a Aiptek Pencam Trio Webcamera. The software: UHCI drivers for Poseidon by Vision Factory Development, Poseidon USB stack & Pencamtool courtesy of Chris Hodges!"

webcam 1
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Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 1 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 09-Apr-2002 12:50 GMT
pics are here :
http://vgr.tc3net.com/vfd/webcam5a08-Apr-02.jpg
http://vgr.tc3net.com/vfd/webcam1a08-Apr-02.jpg
sorry for crappy post....
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 2 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by CD32Freak on 09-Apr-2002 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (catohagen):
No need to be sorry. This is a real milestone for the Amiga, it took a while, but now we know USB is working on a classic Amiga :)
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Posted by SlimJim on 09-Apr-2002 14:21 GMT
> This is a real milestone for the Amiga
Couldn't have said it better myself.
A big 'Great Work guys!' to those making this possible!
.
SlimJim
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Posted by analogkid on 09-Apr-2002 14:22 GMT
nice to see that DCE uses Poseidon for the G-Rex, too !
Looks like a USB Standard for Amiga !?
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 5 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 09-Apr-2002 16:11 GMT
Yeay!
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 6 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Aachthor on 09-Apr-2002 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (analogkid):
No it`s not an USB-standard for Amiga - I think this will more be an USB-standard
for MorphOS.
The author of Poseidon is AFAIK a MorphOS-Beta-developer...
Nevertheless very nice work !
Btw, where is Mr. "Harald - noone wants my USB stack - Frank" these days ?
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 7 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Nowee on 09-Apr-2002 16:21 GMT
Good thing.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 8 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Hodges on 09-Apr-2002 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Aachthor):
Although I'm a supporter of MorphOS and a "key developer", Poseidon was
made as an USB stack for ALL Amiga users. It was developed on a standard
A4000T/060 (no PPC) using Michael's excellent Highway and Subway USB cards.
Best regards
Chris Hodges
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 9 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 09-Apr-2002 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Aachthor):
This is also the USB stack for the HIghway and Subway cards, so the software should exist for 68k Amigas. So it could be a standard, since all platforms are capable of running 68k software.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 10 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 09-Apr-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (tinman):
OS 4 will have its own USB stack but we are working with E3B to ensure that their excellent hardware is also supported under OS 4.
We are similarly working with other third parties regarding USB drivers.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 11 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Dude on 09-Apr-2002 16:43 GMT
Interesting how people will buy a USB interface for the same price or more
than a comlete X86 motherboard.
But hey I still want one these things.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 12 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 09-Apr-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Why don't you just licence Poseidon?
So we will again have two different stacks (one for OS4, the other one for
Highway/Subway/OS3.x, Pegasos/MorphOS and Amithlon) with different drivers...
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 13 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 09-Apr-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (David Scheibler):
Maybe because we only recently found out about this stack? Like a few days ago?
What am I supposed to say to our own developer (who is an extremely talented fellow): nice that you wrote us a USB stack, no, you won't get paid for it and no we won't be using it?
I don't think so.
Contrary to popular belief in the MorphOS camp, I never stab people in the back.
Besides, we need full source-code access for important OS components like this and this may or may not be a problem.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 14 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 09-Apr-2002 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (David Scheibler):
Maybe because we only recently found out about this stack? Like a few days ago?
What am I supposed to say to our own developer (who is an extremely talented fellow): nice that you wrote us a USB stack, no, you won't get paid for it and no we won't be using it?
I don't think so.
Contrary to popular belief in the MorphOS camp, I never stab people in the back.
Besides, we need full source-code access for important OS components like this and this may or may not be a problem.
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Posted by David Scheibler on 09-Apr-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Maybe because we only recently found out about this stack? Like a few days
>ago?
You need a better Chief Intelligence Officer then ;)
>What am I supposed to say to our own developer (who is an extremely talented
>fellow): nice that you wrote us a USB stack, no, you won't get paid for it and
>no we won't be using it?
Well, he could concentrate on the AmigaOne on board USB support, exactly the
same way Frank does with Pegasos or Bernie with Amithlon I think.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 16 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by backvoice on 09-Apr-2002 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Contrary to popular belief in the MorphOS camp, I never stab people in the >back.
and pigs can fly ...
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 17 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 09-Apr-2002 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (backvoice):
>and pigs can fly ...
Only if it's a pigasos ;)
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 18 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 09-Apr-2002 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (David Scheibler):
Hilarious. Really.
.
SlimJim
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 19 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Mathew on 09-Apr-2002 19:45 GMT
Out of curiosity, if there any chance of using their software to run USB webcams on AmigaXL and Amithlon computers who have USB ports? We got the hardware here and no drivers!
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 20 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 09-Apr-2002 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Mathew):
Unlikely, as they will have written the drivers for a PCI USB card running through the GRex.
However, the other thread about the Poseidon USB stack mentions stuff about people developing for Amithlon, so I guess drivers will appear at some point.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 21 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 09-Apr-2002 20:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Mathew):
If a driver uses openpci's api, then it will run on amithlon
too.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 22 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Mathew on 09-Apr-2002 21:32 GMT
Amithlon is fine and dandy, but I'm using AmigaXL any chance of that? Anyone know anything about USB on AmigaXL? As far as I know it can already use keyboards, mice and come USB printers, but some scanners, webcams and CD writers would be nice.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 23 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 09-Apr-2002 21:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (David Scheibler):
>Why don't you just licence Poseidon?
>
>So we will again have two different stacks (one for OS4, the other one for
>Highway/Subway/OS3.x, Pegasos/MorphOS and Amithlon) with different drivers...
David, surely you know by now that this is the real Amiga-way: make incompatible to make it as hard as possible for the users - killing any chances of keeping somewhat of a unity. sigh :/
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Apr-2002 22:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Mathew):
I'm afraid that before you can get AmigaXL support you need QNX support, so the QNX newsgroups and forums is where you should address your question. When you have full QNX support for the hardware you want to use, then you need to talk to H&P and have them make that hardware accessible from AmigaXL.
Amiga drivers would be of no use whatsoever in this situation.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 25 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Allsopp on 10-Apr-2002 05:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (darklite):
Wanker
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 26 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 10-Apr-2002 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Daniel Allsopp):
Well, that's exactly the way it is since ben "took over". Just look at OS4 featurelist and try to understand the underlaying message.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 27 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-Apr-2002 08:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (darklite):
Stop whining.
The OS 4 USB stack will also be made available for 68K based Amiga's.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 28 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 10-Apr-2002 09:19 GMT
"David, surely you know by now that this is the real Amiga-way: make incompatible to make it as hard as possible for the users - killing any chances of keeping somewhat of a unity. sigh :/"
Actually, that's the "X-Phase5 peoples" way, and anyone associated with them... It has nothing to do with the true AmigaOS. I could care less about MOS for my own personal use, because that's not what I will be running. Besides, if the USB stacks are done properly, its the drivers that should matter/work on both, not the stack itself, right? Personally Darklite, I think the entire Amiga community is sick of hearing your PERSONAL jabs at Ben and Hyperion. You sound just like Ralph Schmidt when he use to frequent around. I lost respect for him and anything associated with him years ago for that very same kind of public insulting and "mudslinging"
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 29 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 10-Apr-2002 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Tony Gore):
Actually, you couldn't like someone trying by all means to
discourage 3rd part developpers from doing any morphos work.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 30 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 10-Apr-2002 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Stop whining.
>The OS 4 USB stack will also be made available for 68K based Amiga's.
Oh right, and that'll re-unite the Amithlon, MorphOS and OS4 userbases... why didn't I think of that?
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 31 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 10-Apr-2002 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Tony Gore):
You don't have to agree with me, you don't even have to read my comments - just ignore them if it bothers you that much.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 32 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by :( on 10-Apr-2002 12:56 GMT
The requested URL /vfd/webcam1a08-Apr-02.jpg was not found on this server.
The requested URL /vfd/webcam5a08-Apr-02.jpg was not found on this server.
:(
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 33 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Apr-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>What am I supposed to say to our own developer (who is an extremely talented fellow):
>nice that you wrote us a USB stack, no, you won't get paid for it and no we won't be using it?
It doesn't mean they shouldn't get paid for their work done so far.
>Contrary to popular belief in the MorphOS camp, I never stab people in the back.
This would be noch "backstabbing" but a strategic decision for the good of the Amiga market.
Chris' stack is for MOS, 68k AmigaOS, and Amithlon - why don't you join?
Don't split, but unite - many people would appreciate a cross-compatible standard.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 34 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by treboR on 10-Apr-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (:():
This works
http://vgr.tc3net.com/vfd/
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 35 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 10-Apr-2002 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
Right, so I have to pay twice then?
Once for work that won't get used, once for a solution by a third party where I'm not sure we will even be granted source-code access?
Sorry, that does not compute economically.
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 36 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 10-Apr-2002 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Right, so I have to pay twice then?
>
>Once for work that won't get used, once for a solution by a third party where I'm
>not sure we will even be granted source-code access?
>
>Sorry, that does not compute economically.
Why not, it works for the AmigaOne :p (couldn't resist)
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 37 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 10-Apr-2002 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (darklite):
It seems you never can resist. Yet every time someone flames you, you tell them to ignore your posts. Why is it you can't do the same?
More generally, does anyone think their continual public bitching will change anyone's minds, be they part of the AOS4 / MOS / Amithlon / AROS / PurpleMonkeyDishwasher teams - especially for the first versions (well, maybe apart from AROS where people can contribute)? If their product sucks, it will fail. Only the stupid would buy something that's crap - and why should that bother anyone (stupid people buying crap stuff)?
Worlds first Webcam-USB-PCI-AmigaOS pictures : Comment 38 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 11-Apr-2002 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (tinman):
"Only the stupid would buy something that's crap - and why should that bother anyone (stupid people buying crap stuff)?"
Microsoft products? hohoho :o) I'm bored in my lunch break.
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