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cOrpse quotes Amiga.org : This just in from Amiga Inc head honcho Bill McEwen... Rich multi-media applications designed for handheld systems to be released on April 15th, 2002.
April 10, 2002 Snoqualmie, WA - Amiga, Inc. announced the release schedule of the Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 for Windows Powered Devices. The Entertainment Pack will run on devices using Windows CE 3.0, Windows CE .NET, Pocket PC, and Pocket PC 2002 including handhelds, smart phones, web pads, and set-top boxes.

The Entertainment Pack #1 will contain four applications and the Amiga Anywhere Content Engine. These include the award winning Planet Zed and Convex games from ZeoNeo as well as Gobbler and Solitaire from Pulsar Interactive. The Amiga Anywhere Content Engine allows access to more Amiga Anywhere applications available now and in the future.

"Since announcing a change from hardware to software Amiga has strived to create and distribute content that can run on numerous digital devices. Amiga is now focused on the vision that all digital content should be available on all digital devices," said Bill McEwen, President and CEO of Amiga Inc. "To that end Amiga has announced distribution of dozens of applications that can run on a wide range of different types of devices with hundreds more currently in development".

The Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 will provide an exciting experience for owners of Windows Powered handheld devices without using the amount of resources consumed by other applications. Amiga developers are creating rich content using few resources. The average size of an Amiga Anywhere application is under 300KB and yet delivers a more robust experience than titles that are over 2 MB in size."

"As mobile devices become smarter and more powerful, users are asking for rich entertainment and gaming experiences," said Scott Horn, director, Embedded and Appliance Platforms Group, Microsoft Corp. "The combination of the Windows CE operating system's multimedia functionality and Amiga's software solution allows developers to deliver rich applications for a broad range of Windows Powered devices."

Amiga Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 will ship on April 15, 2002. More information can be found on the Amiga web site at http://www.amiga-anywhere.com/microsoft.

About Amiga
Amiga Inc. established itself in 1985 as the premier provider of multi-media technologies to the world. Today Amiga continues leading the way in multi-media by providing language independent technologies to developers for writing and porting applications to a new multi-media platform that is hardware agnostic. Amiga Anywhere, powered with intent(TM) from the Tao Group, enables applications to run unchanged on a broad range of processors including ARM, StrongARM, Intel X-Scale, OMAP, MIPS, Intel x86, Motorola 68K and Hitachi SH. It can run hosted on a wide variety of operating systems including Windows CE .NET, Windows 9x, 2000, Windows XP, Linux, and Embedded Linux. AmigaDE Player and applications can be purchased at www.amiga-anywhere.com. Amiga is based in Snoqualmie, WA, and has offices worldwide. Amiga can be reached at (425) 396-5660 or visit Amiga on the web at www.amiga.com. Other product or service names mentioned herein are the trademarks of their respective owners.

Bill McEwen
President/CEO
Amiga, Inc.

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Posted by anonymous on 10-Apr-2002 19:28 GMT
Nice hoax. And it's already on most major news sites.
This rocks, NOT.
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Posted by amigo on 10-Apr-2002 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anonymous):
oh brother
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Posted by Wayne Hunt on 10-Apr-2002 20:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anonymous):
Hoax? It came from their mailing list for press members. Might be forged, but security of their mailing lists is not my concern.
Wayne Hunt
wayne@amiga.org
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Posted by Alan on 10-Apr-2002 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anonymous):
Why would you think it is a hoax. It is just a repackaging of the software written for DE And although it does not say it will run on other devices besides MS.
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Posted by Herold on 10-Apr-2002 20:44 GMT
amiga makes me sick :(
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Posted by tinman on 10-Apr-2002 20:44 GMT
It's not on either of their sites. You'd think they might co-ordinate stuff like press releases. But lets go on the basis it's not a hoax:
1) Why do they to great pains to point out that it will run on Windows devices? Is it because it only ships with the Windows version of the DEPlayer or something? Or is it simply because that's the only way they could get an official from MS to add something to the mix.
2) Didn't they always say there wasn't a M68k processor module for tao? Why is it in the list at the bottom?
Overall, this has been expected since Bill mentioned this in the TechTV (if that was its name) demo. I'm willing to be corrected on both points by the more knowledgable.
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Posted by cOrpse on 10-Apr-2002 20:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (tinman):
its more likely that the media fs format is for windows ( probaly different from everyother device on the earth ) and that the player installer is for windows also . Windows is an obv. first release because of its market share. the main point is its still running on devices with different CPU`s :)
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Posted by leif on 10-Apr-2002 20:56 GMT
aha, theyve changed the name of the "Player",
to the "Content Engine". This is a feature Ive
been waiting for a long while now.
Well, it sure sounds better, but also a bit more pathetic.
Why does my stomach get upset every time I read
something about Amiga Inc ?
Yeah, The TAO stuff is REALLY good.
What they have added is Their name.
If anyone have the SDK manual, they can clearly see what I mean.
TAO is mentioned once in it. Rest is "Amigas revolutionary Virtual
Processor" "Amigas Java System" Hmm.. they also state that TAO
is a group of companies that helped them developing the
Virtual Processor and the Amiga Operating System.
Hehe.. yeah.
There is something wrong with that picture.
And now I will get bashed.
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Posted by victor # on 10-Apr-2002 21:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (leif):
> aha, theyve changed the name of the "Player",
> to the "Content Engine". This is a feature Ive
> been waiting for a long while now.
> Well, it sure sounds better, but also a bit more pathetic.
Anyway, the "Player" were even misleading.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Apr-2002 21:28 GMT
How dare Amiga do this. What is wrong with Amiga these days??
So now they are releasing crap for Windoze only. Why are they doing this? So much for "Amiga Anywhere", 'anywhere' is only anywhere that has Windoze.
This is why we are boycotting those lamers.
At least under Gateway etc. Amiga weren't writing bloody Windoze software.
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Posted by victor # on 10-Apr-2002 21:41 GMT
Well, it is interesting there will be different packages for Windows-based devices, and the Linux-based ones, and perhaps PalmOS-based, and so on... I mean, also the handhelds, etc. The TechTV demo suggested you have to buy only one flash-card, and it can be used for any (supported) device... Though, it is probably more simple this way than having separate packages for Windows/desktop, Linux/desktop, and PDA's (WinCE+Linux). So, it is now Windows/desktop+PDA's, Linux/desktop+PDA's. Just the latter comes later. Hopefully, soon.
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Posted by KenH on 10-Apr-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
>How dare Amiga do this. What is wrong with Amiga these days??
>So now they are releasing crap for Windoze only. Why are they doing this? So much for "Amiga Anywhere", 'anywhere' is only anywhere that has Windoze.
>This is why we are boycotting those lamers.
>At least under Gateway etc. Amiga weren't writing bloody Windoze software.
Hmm...perhaps some people should come back in about 6 months time when Amiga are further ahead in their plans. Because until then they will continue to believe they have sold the soul of Amiga to MS.
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Posted by 4pLaY on 10-Apr-2002 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
"how dare they"? what planet are you from? do you think these guys sit around all day just to make what a bunch of strugglings fans (us) want? theyre a company! companys are here for 1 reason and 1 reason only to make money! if this is not to youre liking find youreself a new hobby or get over it pal at least they are allowing other parties to make what we want! still people nagg and nagg! im sure you would rather see out platform go under then to earn money making software for windowse so we can survive? some people realy need to grow up! luckily i grew out of this childish die-hard behaviour years ago.
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Posted by NihilVor on 10-Apr-2002 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
>How dare Amiga do this. What is wrong with Amiga these days??
How can people be this stupid? And why do the stupid people always feel like they need to express themselves.
> So now they are releasing crap for Windoze only. Why are they doing this? So much for
> "Amiga Anywhere", 'anywhere' is only anywhere that has Windoze.
It is not windoze only...
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Posted by Hagge on 10-Apr-2002 23:07 GMT
I'm just bored about "announces" about the same thing over and over again.
(well, that's my opinion and it might not be correct and so on... please understand that)
i don't care of they tell amigade amiga anywhere, or if the old games is released as "new ones" in some sort of package, or if amiga anywhere runs on win ce then they already have told us amigade runs on windows from the begining...
Sure, it probably get them more publicity... but uhm, isn't it time to deliver something which i could think is intresting? something new?
(and my english isn't the greatest either)
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Posted by leif on 10-Apr-2002 23:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Hagge):
People buy the package. I dont know why. I usually rip
off the package to see and use whats inside. Package
is package. Theese days you could probably sell vacuum
and make a profit.
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Posted by coldfire on 11-Apr-2002 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (NihilVor):
Actually...as of this moment it is windoze only. It states it is released for windoze...nothing in there about Amiga, Mac, Linux or BSD. Maybe in the future but not in the NOW.
coldfire
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2002 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (4pLaY):
Amino (I have decided to no longer call them "Amiga") has betrayed the Amiga community. Why should anyone have any loyalty towards these arseholes. They are writing Windoze software not Amiga software. Well, they can do that if it gives them pleasure, but don't expect any support from the real Amiga community. Anymore than eg. Microfilth themselves. So Amiga are basically now just a company that does Windoze software, rather piss-poor software too so far. No wonder they have attacked H&P, who are now the torch-bearers of the Amiga.
Is no one alarmed at Amiga's alliance with a confirmed illegal monopolist? Obviously Amiga don't have any problem with illegal, unethical behaviour. Won't be long till Amiga formally merges with Microfilth. Mark my words. You read it on ANN first :-) Bill McEwen obviously just licks Bill Gates' arse. Metaphorically speaking. So much for standing up for principle.
Boycott Amino! Boycott AmigaDE!
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Posted by Neko on 11-Apr-2002 00:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (NihilVor):
Windows 98, 2000, XP, CE, PocketPC blah blah (and Linux) is pretty much Windows
Only from most standpoints.
I don't really mind this: I mean, they have their Content Engine for Linux but
how many PDAs can you name that run Linux? Umm.. Sharp Zaurus.. umm..
What I want to see is the Amiga Content Engine for PalmOS - now that Tao have
the m68k engine (and hence support for both types of Motorola DragonBall32
processors) then someone can get a Handspring Treo or something with AmigaCE
on it (oh that name is going to stick :)
THEN I might be slightly more impressed, since Palm do hold the other end of
the market. Amiga will have effectively covered the entire range. Half-assing
it this way just looks strange..
Matt
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2002 01:13 GMT
Yes, I thought the whole point of AmigaDE was that it was platform independent. So Amino has shot itself in the foot, AmigaDE will wither and die. This is not a likelihood but a certainty.
I will be starting a Boycott Amino campaign.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 11-Apr-2002 02:07 GMT
Okay, as best I can tell, this *is* the 'magic CF card' demonstrated on TechTV, though perhaps lacking the Zaurus (Whatever-Distro-of-Linux/StrongARM) software for space or marketing reasons.
Thing is, with the older variant of WinCE*, I think this means they're supporting MIPS, SuperH, and StrongARM off the same shrinkwrapped card- vaguely impressive.
I'm assuming they're going for maximum press-releasage here, and will either announce a shrinkwrapped Zaurus card as a seperate product, or will assume some other marketing channel for it. Yeah, it's getting old, but it's still not the end of the world, just business as usual.
*I know that SuperH and MIPS were dropped by MS at some point, because of the 3-way portability issue. I *think* this happened with the first "PocketPC"-branded release; anyone know the timeframe more accurately?
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Posted by acg on 11-Apr-2002 02:19 GMT
First of all, this is real old news for anyone who has been following
the "saga"...but it might be news for some poor consumer who
is going to the discount computer store and finds out, he can
run some software on his Window(ooh!)s powered device and that
SAME software can be run on another device...(maybe down the road
somewhere)....
So, that's it...it would be nice if there were more applications
out there...
P.S. A colleague of mine bought the Zaurus...I played a bit with
it, and for 206Mhz risc chip, it still acts like a PC...with the
awful pauses because actions, and the screen updates that you can
kind of see happening...the screen switches don't seem to be
near the kind of instantaneous stuff you can get on your old low
res or 640x400 Amiga screen, by just clicking in the upper
right corner...I have a feeling that we need 2GHZ or 200 MFlops
or some specialized graphic hardware with a real tight OS to
get that sort of stuff back...I really don't like the direction
of this Microsoft "partner" excrement....
If Amiga tries to piggy back to much on them, Microsoft will
not be happy if Amiga starts making inroad on other platforms,
unless...the real motive is for Amiga to run on other platforms,
then get people to buy Amiga stuff, then Microsoft buys Amiga,
and microsoft then can make anybody have to use their software
to use any hardware, and then computing will be dead.
Sorry about the krappy and somewhat tangential thoughts but it
could be a possible explanation for Amiga's actions, but I do
consider that I could be very wrong....I hope so.
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Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 11-Apr-2002 02:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
>Yes, I thought the whole point of AmigaDE was that it was platform >independent. So Amino has shot itself in the foot, AmigaDE will wither and
Just because they're not releasing the runtime for other platforms now, doesn't mean they won't soon. The Windows and Linux runtimes preety much cover the desktop market. Now with the PocketPC runtime, Amiga can reach a major (and growing) slice of the PDA market. PocketPC PDAs are very powefull.
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Posted by NihilVor on 11-Apr-2002 03:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
>Amino (I have decided to no longer call them "Amiga") has betrayed the Amiga community.
> Why should anyone have any loyalty towards these arseholes. They are writing Windoze
> software not Amiga software. Well, they can do that if it gives them pleasure, but don't
> expect any support from the real Amiga community. Anymore than eg. Microfilth themselves.
> So Amiga are basically now just a company that does Windoze software, rather piss-poor
> software too so far. No wonder they have attacked H&P, who are now the torch-bearers of
> the Amiga.
Who cares what AA runs on? If Linux users want a copy, they can still dload it from the web site.
But I don't see why people care so much about how Amiga chooses to market their AA product.
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Posted by priest on 11-Apr-2002 04:06 GMT
I just installed linux (with kde etc...) on a 350Mhz P2 machine the speed is pathetic... No wonder if zaurus tends to be slow...
(I'm very happy that I bought Palm a few weeks ago. It lacks features like multitasking, but applications and windowing is handled pretty fast, faster than any other PDA/cell phone (except perhaps the coming Nokia camera phone).)
Then note to Classic Amiga OS lovers, do not pay attention to AA news or at least do not worry about them. Not until it runs also on our OS. U C Amiga Inc needs to earn some money also in the meantime.
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Posted by ian@home on 11-Apr-2002 05:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
"Amiga Anywhere, powered with intent(TM) from the
Tao Group, enables applications to run unchanged on a broad range
of processors
including ARM, StrongARM, Intel X-Scale, OMAP, MIPS, Intel x86,
Motorola 68K and Hitachi SH. It can run hosted on a wide
variety of operating systems
including Windows CE .NET, Windows 9x, 2000, Windows XP, Linux, and
Embedded Linux"
Perhaps you should all READ the COMPLETE press release before spouting off! The press release is aimed at a windows audience, but it DOES also clearly say all of the above aswell. Nothing wrong here.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 11-Apr-2002 05:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (priest):
Priest said,
>I just installed linux (with kde etc...) on a 350Mhz P2 machine the
>speed is pathetic... No wonder if zaurus tends to be slow...
Linux the kernel isn't bad- fire it (or any other *NIX relative) up in text mode on a 386, and you'll see it's "faster" than DOS.
Of course, you're talking about XFree86 and KDE being pathetic, and that's definitely true for X- it's a pig- and potentially true for KDE. (I used KDE 1.x for a brief period on a similar machine, and it was okay; KDE2 is supposed to be bad even on 'modern' machines, depending who you talk to.)
The Zaurus distro sidesteps X for a raw framebuffer driver (no 2D accelleration, likely, but it's a small screen); in that case, the hog is the Qt-based interface. Again, it's poorly-written 3rd party UI software that holds it back, not the underlying kernel or OS.
Not to pick nits, but we can't correct the aspects of modern systems that suck if we can't properly identify them.
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Posted by DaveW on 11-Apr-2002 05:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
KDE is hardly pathetic in performance, Some people. I bet some also think that Windows on the palmtop is the same as Windows XP.
I get more hot under the collar about this:
> Amiga Inc. established itself in 1985 as the premier provider
> of multi-media technologies to the world. Today Amiga...[snip]
Deliberately worded to make it sound as if its the same company with the same credentials and its not.
Understandable but still very very misleading.
Besides, if anyone on here is so anti-Microsoft that they dont want to back Amiga, fine, go ahead. Back Eyetech and Hyperion instead. ;-) Put your money where your mouth is and when Amiga Inc. counts the votes and sees that AmigaAnywhere has sold 2000 copies and AmigaONE + AmigaOS4.x has sold 10,000 copies the will do the math. But because we would all rather bitch about things that part with our money for the platform of our choice that aint going to happen.
Dave.
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Posted by Budda on 11-Apr-2002 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (DaveW):
Totally true point, if people who sit and bitch about AA product all day would go and put some money up front for an AmigaOne + OS4 then maybe Amiga Inc. would see that there's more potential waiting to get out in the old rotting Amiga market.
Go and order your new mothboard now....
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 11-Apr-2002 08:12 GMT
>Of course, you're talking about XFree86 and KDE being pathetic, and that's
>definitely true for X- it's a pig- and potentially true for KDE. (I used KDE 1.x for a
>brief period on a similar machine, and it was okay; KDE2 is supposed to be bad
>even on 'modern' machines, depending who you talk to.)
And now they have released KDE3 *sigh* :)
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Posted by DaveW on 11-Apr-2002 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
KDE is as sweet as a nut if you dont run it off Xfree. Xfree is the weakest link.
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Posted by Shadowfox on 11-Apr-2002 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (DaveW):
Just a point of interest, about a month ago I ditched my RedHat 7.2 distro for FreeBSD. I was tired of my partitions always having to be fscked so often, and I finally go into the posistion where I almost had to re-install. To my surprise, FreeBSD runs faster, I havn't had even a single fsck, and KDE 2.2.2 was snappier then under Linux. It could be my imagination, but I always felt disappointed with the behaviour of KDE under linux, and I was very happy installing FreeBSD. However, I do feel it is still sluggish in its response and refresh. It could be my card I suppose (Nvidia DDR, 64meg RAM), but my machine is an Athlon XP 1800.
Sorry about the off topic, but I am curious what you are talking about though, running KDE without XFree86? I thought KDE was dependant on XFree86. You can email with your answer if you feel inclined at meridian@lkdllink.net
In case anyone is curious, I'm not pumping all of my money into *nix. This machine dual boots into Amithlon, I've bought both the original AmigaDE and the Party Pack, and my AmigaOne dev board will be on it's way any day now :)
peace,
-Jack
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Posted by DaveW on 11-Apr-2002 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Shadowfox):
Its dependent on Xlib.
I run it on z/OS USS and it flies. But then so does the platform.
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Posted by José on 11-Apr-2002 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (4pLaY):
I must say I'd agree with him, IF Amiga was doing what he says. Beacause the new AmigaInc has allways said they were there for the users, and the " the users would be rewarded.etc... I guess it's useless to say, but Bill talked about Classic OS and AmigaOne on TV, so they're not just scrapping the CLassic. Also OS5 will build upon OS4, so they good Classic stuff will be preserved.
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Posted by AmiTroll on 11-Apr-2002 11:57 GMT
Someone correct me if i'm wrong here. I'm a troll and i *DO* get
things wrong just by being a troll. Isn't this thing just the
DE for windows packed up with a few games that run under the DE?
Sort of like selling a deck of cards with instructions on how to
play poker and solitare right?
One thing im sure of. If you bought the windows package and copied
the included games over to your linux box, the games would run in
the linux box as well. It isnt platform specific so wake up already.
However the player wont, it needs to address the OS it's running
under.
Thats why its called Amiga Anywhere. This BS about it being a
windows only binary is a total lie. You need the player for your
specific OS yes, the rest is all independant of the hardware and
the OS you use. Yet some people can't make the distinction here
and claim Amiga is making software for M$. Which still isn't a bad
thing if your out to make money, but stick with the platform
independant apps and you have the windows market plus every other
market that you can sell in.
So amiga is selling thier Amiga Anywhere engin to the windows
crowd and tossing in a few games to boot. Whats the big fuss
about? The more people that can see they can take thier games
and apps, especially developers, from thier workstation to
thier PDA, to thier set top box, to thier cellphone, the better.
GRUNT
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Posted by AmiTroll on 11-Apr-2002 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (AmiTroll):
Sorry about the poor format of that last comment. I didn't expect it to wrap everything on me.
GRUNT
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Posted by Hitherandyonymous on 11-Apr-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Neko):
I'll do you one better. PalmOS is more than the other half, they are more like three-quarters.
If Amiga truly wanted to cover the PDA market, they would have DE/AA run on PalmOS. Oh, but wait, they don't actually develop any software. They are at the mercy of whatever Tao Group does.
Amiga is just a re-packager whose goal is to make money from the brand name "Amiga", which they license to other software developers like H&P and Hyperion.
This quote from Bill (I'll just refer to him as B.M. from now on) really reaches into my cage:
"Since announcing a change from hardware to software Amiga has strived to create and distribute content that
can run on numerous digital devices"
They've created NOTHING!!! They've barely distributed, most of the expenses and effort come from desperate thrid parties who have stuck with the Amiga platform against their better judgement. The DE/AA games-er, I mean "content", comes from small software houses who are honestly giving it a go at games for handhelds.
But, Amiga is doing no development for them. Amiga Inc. is just a brand "layer" between two development entities.
I've noticed in this thread NOT ONE person say "Cool, I'm going to buy that Entertainment Pack!" I've seen no one say "I bought a Zaurus and I'm running Planet Zed on it RIGHT NOW!!!"
I've not got the feeling that anyone on this board is going out to buy a PocketPC so they can play games on a PDA!"
Many of the companies developing software for PalmOS also port their apps for PocketPC, and they don't require you to pay for a VP to use them.
Amiga is not pushing this the way I thought, which was to create an online communication interface through handlhelds/PDAs/Cellphones - an OS for the inter-device communication. But that's because they have no ideas of their own. These guys are leeching off the work of
people they neither employ nor fund. They are an "opportunity provider", which is another term for middleman.
When you go to the DE/AA site to view the Entertainment Pack page, notice the url you are visiting. The directory you are in is "microsoft", not "ent_pack", not "games", not "content_engine". This pack, and, yes, their business plan going forward, is to run content on PocketPC ONLY! So, someone tell me, if I'm a DE/AA games developer, and my hard work
runs only on MS PDA OSes, then why don't I just write the game directly to PocketPC and remove the VP layer?! Why not speed things up and skip the extra download of the player?! If the DE/AA "Content Engine" actually acted as a games browser (like an AOL for PDA games), maybe it would make sense, but since Amiga cannot develop anything on their own, that's
unlikely to happen.
Oh, and please people, cut the shit about OS5. There is no OS5. If there ever is such a thing, it is at least 5 years away. Amiga Inc. knows nothing about software development, so how are they going to develop an OS without having someone else do it for them, and when they do, that someone is going to tell them that a cross-platform OS (and by that I mean the same software CD installs on different hardware, and the apps do not need to be recompiled for each hardware/OS combination)
is not really do-able and certainly there is no valid business reason to do it. No one in the corporate market is asking for it, and no one in the home market is asking for it. No, having cross-platform documents is what matters (html, jpeg, xml, txt) and that continues to improve. So, please, stop talking about OS5 like it is anyhting more than a virtual carrot being dangled in front of you to keep you interested in what Amiga Inc. is doing.
When they hit the wall, and you guys have STILL not spent a dime on their products, they will drop you like a wet sack of shit.
Have a nice day.
Amiga® Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 pending release : Comment 38 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 11-Apr-2002 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Hitherandyonymous):
Some of what you say is correct, however:
1. The reason Palm still leads it's because it appeared before pocketPC and some of their devices are a lot cheaper (although they're little more than pregnant calculator machines). However, PocketPC is catching up and it's likely just a matter of time until it leads (it is a Microsoft product...)
2. Amiga never said they won't release a Palm player. I'm sure they are aware what the "anywhere" word means...
3. It's true they should be more effective in getting the runtimes out there. It seems the runtimes already exist for other platforms, so there must be something else getting in the way.
4. I agree that having a cross platform OS is overkill. But cross platform documents is clearly not enought, unless you use your computer only to read docs all the time. What we need is to run the latest apps and games on the AmigaOS. The only way this can happen is to attract as many developers as possible to the AA layer and have AA running on AmigaOS.
Amiga® Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 pending release : Comment 39 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by leif on 11-Apr-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Ruben Monteiro):
point 4: buy a playstation :)
Amiga® Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 pending release : Comment 40 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by alan on 11-Apr-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Hitherandyonymous):
Palm devices usually do not have the memory capacity and the OS is not robust enough to allow things like 3D and 2d excel. sound etc. Perhaps if Palm releases a new version of the OS but the devices are ment to be simple and not the desktop in a pocket as MS device try to be.
Most of Amiga's content has been simple games but they targeting more complicated 3D stuff. I would like to see some useful applications. I have little use for games...
Amiga® Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 pending release : Comment 41 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Moause on 12-Apr-2002 05:41 GMT
Two comments:
- I own a Zaurus and it isn't slow. Quake runs much faster than on the fastest 68k Amiga. ;-)
- After this press release Amiga Anywhere should better called Amiga Anywindows.
Amiga® Anywhere Entertainment Pack #1 pending release : Comment 42 of 42ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2002 06:43 GMT
Well, like a lot of other folks on this board, I am convinced Amiga is much more concerned about *working with* Microsoft and developing software for Windows than they are about creating a *viable alternative* to Windows or working as part of an industry anti-Microsoft alliance to create something 'bigger' than Microsoft or something that could go head to head with them.
Propagating Microsoft, a proven monopolist which has used demonstrated illegal contracts, illegal price-fixing, illegal strategies and actions and questionable employment practices and artificially high prices, further is NOT A Good Thing. We need to be *chipping away* at this empire so that the future will be more competitive, have more variety, and be better for consumers. That means forming an anti-MS alliance, *not* supporting Microsoft's Anti-Java Project, .NET (the alternative to embrace and extend?)
Amiga should be working with the Sun's and the Apple's and the Linus Torvalds of this world to create a viable alternative to Windows, focus their efforts on developing AA for Linux, BSD, Mac OS 9 & X than writing stuff for Windows.
Think about it, instead of helping developers write lame shareware knock-offs, they could be helping developers write productivity apps for MacOS Classic, Mac OS X, Linux *and* BSD in one development cycle. That would be a highly attractive prospect for many companies. Think of the potential *there*.
Thank you for your time....
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