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[Forum] AmigaOS 4.0 on PegasosANN.lu
Posted on 15-Apr-2002 13:27 GMT by Morka510 comments
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This is email from Thomas Frieden about AOS4.0 and Pegasos board. Odosielate¾: Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.com>
Adresát: morka@zoznam.sk
Predmet: Re: AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos

Hi,
morka@zoznam.sk wrote:

>Hi. I have one problem. I want buy Pegasos but at today AOS4.0 not run on this board.

Say who ? I thought it was already said: We do want to support the Pegasos board. It's firmly planned. Unfortunately, we haven't received a developer board yet, but if we ever get one, OS4 will run on the Pegasos.

Regards,

Thomas Frieden
Senior Developer, Hyperion Entertainment
ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.com
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 1 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 15-Apr-2002 11:41 GMT
This was never the discussion. It about, if youre forced to buy Pegasos and Aos in a bundle (bPlan still has to agree in that point) and so many Users have to decide whether they go MorphOS or AmigaOS. Both seems not to be possible, especially when you buy the hw at its release. My personal decison is therefore mos for sure, when there wont be a positive signal about updating also to os4 when its available for this platform.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 2 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 15-Apr-2002 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (logain):
".....and so many Users have to decide whether they go MorphOS or AmigaOS. "
LOL!! Wishfull thinking....:-)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 3 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by CyberZorro on 15-Apr-2002 11:46 GMT
Looks like Hyperion has some other interests than Amino Inc. ...
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 4 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 15-Apr-2002 11:47 GMT
well, then thats cleared up ;) now, i wonder how developers of a usb stack
get access to/have a pegasos system, but developers of a OS that can help
raise sales of pegasos still haven't got one ? Or maybe theres only 1
board in existense, the one on bplan's photos..
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 5 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Apr-2002 11:47 GMT
good news, bad style of telling us this news (publishing the email)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 6 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 15-Apr-2002 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (CyberZorro):
There is a difference between OS4 RUNNING on the board and being RELEASED for it. As
stated in the exec update it will only be releaed WITH boards that:
a) it can definately run on
b) it has an OEM license for
The fact that Hyperion will be able to get OS4 running on a board when BPlan get their
board out of beta and in the hands of Hyperion is a different issue from the licensing
issue.
Sheesh.
Dave.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 7 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 15-Apr-2002 11:56 GMT
Do we know fore shore that the AOS4.0 Kickstarts romes will work on pegasos?
Don’t think so, this email says: go ahead by the pegasos board we my support it, if xyz and so on. In otter words there are no garnishes we will support it, and you most likely will end up with Linux / MorphOS.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 8 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Apr-2002 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kjetil):
Guarantees, not garnishes.
Garnishes are something that you stick on food. :)
As far as I see it, the ROM that will be shipped needs a socket on the motherboard. The AmigaOne will have this, but will the Pegasos?
And it is a ROM, not a flashROM, and it will be mapped to a fixed location in the PPC memory map. And if someone is against anti-piracy measures, then what can we conclude about that person's software purchasing habits?
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 9 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 15-Apr-2002 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kjetil):
Is it just to me that this is incredibly simple?
The A1 needs a bios upgrade to support Amiga OS 4.
The Pegasos may ( I dont know ).
Its not a Kickstart Rom ( as Ben stated on another thread ).
Before AmigaOS4 can be sold with Pegasos ( and that is the only way it is going to be available for the board - as an OEM product )
1. BPlan must ship a board to Hyperion.
2. Hyperion must do the work ( the HAL plus drivers ) to get it running.
3. BPlan must sign up for the certification and release scheme
4. BPLan must be certified by AInc.
5. The boards have to go on sale WITH AmigaOS4.0
It doesnt even have to happen in that order. The only order is that 5 must be prerequed
by 4 and 2. 2 is prerequed 1. 4 is prerequed by 3.
Dave.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 10 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 15-Apr-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (catohagen):
I still haven't heard anyone reliable saying that they've seen a working Pegasos, so I'm starting wondering if it really exists. The choice between AmigaOne and Pegasos might not be that much of a choice after all.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 11 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 15-Apr-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
>>good news, bad style of telling us this news (publishing the email)
I'll second that.The person asking the question should at least have the decency to ask if they can post the answer on news sites.If people don't start to do this,I fear that some developers will stop answering emails,because the slightest thing these days can errupt into a 100+ flame war if the reply is taken slightly out of context....:(
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 12 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 15-Apr-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (amigammc):
Oh come on!
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 13 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 15-Apr-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Alan Watson):
I dont think you even need that. Just look at post #10 ;-)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 14 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 15-Apr-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Alan Watson):
No wonder the Friedens pulled out of the discussion, eh?
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 15 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 15-Apr-2002 12:23 GMT
What about a bootloader?
Would be neat to have an easy way to choose which oOS to use at boot time instead of sitting and disable harddrives boots and floppy boots and reboots just to get the right os.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 16 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Ponyonymous on 15-Apr-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DaveW):
No, Dave, you are not alone. Some of us just like to sit back and let others make the sensible statements.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the difference between OS4 _running_ on Pegasos (in the test lab) and OS4 _shipping_ with Pegasos.
Those who do not understand this, let's try again:
- Unless bPlan pays Amiga Inc. their license fees and Amiga Inc. approves bPlan as a fit and reliable licensee (a bad licensee makes the licensor look bad - I used to work for the company that licenses Snoopy and let me tell you, you had to jump through some flaming hoops and pay out some serious moolah to get a Snoopy/Peanuts license, and even then you might not get it)
then OS4 will NOT be available for the Pegasos board, EVEN IF THE BOARD IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING THE OS.
- YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY OS4/ROMs ON THEIR OWN!!!
- IF YOU WANT TO RUN OS4, YOU MUST BUY APPROVED MOTHERBOARD!!! IF YOU BUY UNAPPROVED MOTHERBOARD, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE OS4!!!
- DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE MORPH-OS SHIP ANYTIME SOON, IF AT ALL (As soon as they try it, they will be hit with a cease & desist, followed by a lawsuit, so even if you get your hands on a release copy, you won't see it get developed very far - MorphOS is now effectively a hobby OS which Ralph cannot make a dime from, unless he thinks he has the resources to win in a lengthy court battle)
It's really that simple.
I'm sure, if they receive a Pegasos developer board from bPlan, Hyperion will try to get OS4 running on it. If they get it to work without too many hassles, then the ball is in bPlan's court to pay Amiga Inc. and get its approval. Either that or Vesalia will have to pay the license, get the approval.
Bill and Petro don't own Amiga or Hyperion, and they aren't calling any shots. Amiga Inc. is calling the shots, and they say "you gotta pay to play".
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 17 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Apr-2002 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ponyonymous):
"DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE MORPH-OS SHIP ANYTIME SOON, IF AT ALL (As soon as they try it, they will be hit with a cease & desist, followed by a lawsuit"
So yet more Microsoftian tactics from AInc - they don't think they can compete fairly with MorphOS so instead they will try to bury it?
*sigh*
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 18 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 15-Apr-2002 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Will you give over with the Microsoftian guff?
It is normal where businesses have a dispute over intellectual property to go to the courts to
get a cease and desist order until it can be settled one way or the other.
Its normal business practice when defending copyright, IP and branding. Nothing sinister
about it. Nothing Microsoftian about it.
If you were to talk about bundling or refusing to allow dual boot hardware or
restricting what OEM providers could put on the desktop or tying the browser to the desktop
or tying the apps to the desktop or allowing its own products to use private APIs then
THAT would be microsoftian. All else is just s**t stirring/
You could say its Microsoftian for MorphOS to duck the issue of supporting the A1 motherboard
or to SELL the OS rather than give it away for free or for BPlan to hold up the delivery of a
mobo to Hyperion. Doesnt help us does it?
Give over with the conspiracy theory c**p and stick to the facts.
Please! :-)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 19 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 15-Apr-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Mommy mommy, AmigaInc hurt MorphOS....that Bastards!!!!!
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 20 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 15-Apr-2002 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Ponyonymous):
Yeah, I'm waiting the moment :-) Only a shame that the Pegasos suffers from this MorphOS virus
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 21 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Apr-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Amifan):
Amifan? haha.. amiCLOWN is more like it!
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 22 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by pegfan on 15-Apr-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Amifan):
I wonder what virus you suffer from really :)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 23 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 15-Apr-2002 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Bit childish isnt it?
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 24 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Apr-2002 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (DaveW):
Oh really..
Do you think it would have helped if it made any sense ?
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 25 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 15-Apr-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anders Kjeldsen):
AmiFan is making more sense than you :)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 26 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 15-Apr-2002 13:51 GMT
This is exactly what I tried to tell Ralph Scmidt when I said that "I hope you know what you're doing, because if Amiga Inc.'s lawyers find anything...". I hate beeing the kind of guy who sais "told you so" but I'm simply have to say that this is exactly what happens when you don't cooperate in a corporate world. Wether we like it or not, the guys with the name, the cash, and the corporate deals is the ones calling the shots and the MorphOS team's way of trying to compete with that on such a small market just doesn't make sense.
Even if the Pegasos and the MorphOS hits the shelves, I don't see how they could ever make it a profitable product without support from Amiga Inc. I mean, what did they expect? That Amiga Inc. would just sit back and do nothing while they take over the Amiga community with a reverse engineered version of their product?
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 27 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Apr-2002 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Darrin):
Obviously.. Amifan has always made sense. That's why he's so popular here :)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 28 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 15-Apr-2002 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Samface):
>>and the MorphOS team's way of trying to compete with that on such a small market just doesn't make sense.
The probem, as I see it, is that some people (myself included) see the word "compete", as you have used it in conjuction with "MorphOS", as actually translating to "steal" :)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 29 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 15-Apr-2002 13:58 GMT
Like some others here, I too am uncomfortable with the public postings of private emails between two individuals.
:-(
At this rate it will be difficult to get anyone to reply to an email because they will fear that whatever they reply will become public knowledge.
Christian, I urge you to put up some guidelines on public postings of private emails.
Kind Regards
Mikey C
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 30 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Apr-2002 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Darrin):
What I'm wondering about is:
How many of those who make claims here, have tried the earlier versions of Morphos? How many people here know what they're talking about on that matter?
Just curious..
Let the best OS win
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 31 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Apr-2002 14:00 GMT
Yes.. However, this isn't really NEW(s).
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 32 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 15-Apr-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anders Kjeldsen):
How does the intellectual property issue get resolved by installing and running the latest
cut of MorphOS?
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 33 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Apr-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Uhm, my previous post was a reply to Mike.
(damn, sorry about all these postings)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 34 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 15-Apr-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anders Kjeldsen):
I've actually agreed with the majority of what AmiFan has said over the years. I always thought that what (used to?) alienate him with others was his use of "colourful" language when trying to get his point across when conversing with a brick wall ;)
Even I have been known to sprinkle one or two four letter words into a comment when the "frustration factor" gets too much for me :)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 35 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Apr-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Samface):
Oh look! It's SamFace, the self-confessed pirate, talking about rumoured theft of IP!
Oh, the irony.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 36 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Luca on 15-Apr-2002 14:05 GMT
Hey! Don't forget, that Mc Ewen said in his update, that
the Torro system was a probable future Aos 4 candidate.
And the Torro system should be a variant of Pegasos (am I wrong?)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 37 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 15-Apr-2002 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anders Kjeldsen):
>>How many of those who make claims here, have tried the earlier versions of Morphos? How many people here know what they're talking about on that matter?
Just curious..
Let the best OS win
Much as I hate to talk about "upholding the law" and "the need for justice" as I got ticketed for doing 71mph in a 55mph zone this morning... but it's more a case of "Let the LEGAL OS win".
Next time a motorcycle cop stops me I'll just reverse over him!!! ;)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 38 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 15-Apr-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Sigh... Guess what an anonymous posting with a personal insult means to me? Yeah, you guessed it; nothing!
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 39 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 15-Apr-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Samface):
> reverse engineered version of their product
How can you reverse engineer something that doesn't exist?
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 40 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Apr-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (DaveW):
I don't know exactly what you're asking for here. But I assume you mean that the previous release of Morphos isn't supposed to say anything about the next release ?
Have you tried it then?
If so, it's up to your intelligence to make an opinion. My personal impression is that Morphos was started a lot earlier than AmigaOS4. I then strongly believe that Morphos should be way ahead of AmigaOS4 at this date. However, that's just my impression and thoughts about that case.
What I dislike is that people make choices before any of these OS'es are released. I haven't - even if I believe what I wrote above.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 41 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Chisholm on 15-Apr-2002 14:22 GMT
I have been reading all sorts of Amiga news and their comments in ann for a long time now, and I am really sorry to see the community sinking without remedy. I think most of us have enough, not only of broken promises and vapourware, but also of bigotry, insults and of people writing without knowing what the heck they are talking about. It is really pathetic, and is getting me sick and sad, because this once was a great community.
I do not really think this has exclusively to do with the community, but mostly with the people that are leading us like sheep. Most of the so-called Amiga gods have done nothing to unite the users and, as of yet, have delivered nothing. They have more interesting things to do, as trying to cripple the competence with their lies and their biased comments. The true pitty is that we are following them without any kind of objectivity.
This is very very simple. Either you get MorphOS or AmigaOS. No one should feel deceived, as everything is quite clear. I would not hold my breath for OS4.0 on Pegasos or MorphOS on AmigaOne. This has to do with the policies of both, bPlan and AmigaInc. They have the right to determine what type license they want, and the decision to support whatever OS has to be taken by the different retailers and by the users.
One thing is for sure, most of these people complaining about AmigaInc or bPlan not supporting whatever OS are surely showing a great deal of opportunism. I would bet that they are not really interested in anything but in a chance to criticise the competition. This is really the sad side of things. There is space for everyone and for every choice within the community. What is terrible is the fact that nobody can speak now without flaming everyone else. Maybe it is because none is qualified to talk about the different platforms, apart from a few people that immediately get flamed when trying to defend their work.
It is utterly ridiculous to argue about things that have not been released yet. This shows a level of unprecedented ignorance. Please, do not post anything that is aimed at misleading other people. If you want to talk about a product that is as of yet not available do it with respect for the other people.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 42 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 15-Apr-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (anonymous):
> How can you reverse engineer something that doesn't exist?
AmigaOS 3.X doesn't exist?!?!? What the hell have I been using all these years? Please don't try to confuse me:-)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 43 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by José on 15-Apr-2002 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Yeah, and what he's done was so much more serious ... oh dear.. Everyone does it, come on. THe difference is that some people bother to buy some real products, others don't (MOS?):)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 44 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 15-Apr-2002 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (redrumloa):
>>AmigaOS 3.X doesn't exist?!?!? What the hell have I been using all these years?
MorphOS??? ;)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 45 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 15-Apr-2002 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Yep, I've tried MorphOS. Nice speed improvement when using an A1200 BlizzardPPC 603e + 68040. However, the BlizzardPPC version is still alpha and far from beeing in a usable state. However, I fail to see the future in MorphOS as long as they don't show any improvements in functionality over the classic AmigaOS. Still as of today, it's "simply" a kernel which you run the classic AmigaOS ontop of, kind of like Amithlon for PPC. Sure, improved functionality is promised. However, it's been a while since the first beta/alpha versions of MorphOS was released and no signs of a new version yet. That's my primary reason for choosing AmigaOS4 instead, it's more than just a PPC version of the classic AmigaOS and so much more is planned for it in the future.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 46 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 15-Apr-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Darrin):
noo.. Actually I'm pretty sure my computer is an A3000, not M3000:-P
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 47 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 15-Apr-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Samface):
Ooops! Please reduce that comment by a couple of "however"'s. :-P
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 48 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 15-Apr-2002 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Samface):
Let's not compare a year old beta-release of Morphos against a non-existing (public) release of AmigaOS4. It might SEEM like that was what -I- was doing, but it was not. Not that way.
What functionality-improvements were you thinking of in AmigaOS4 ? (My second question would be; What are you most fo(u?)nd of, the OS it self or the name?)
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 49 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 15-Apr-2002 15:01 GMT
I must point out that at the time of writing, Thomas was unaware of the Executive Update by Amiga so therefore his answer to it must be seen in that context.
Matter of fact is that we are eager to support the Pegasos (as can be seen by our application for a developer board and our unilateral approach of bPlan at the recent Amiga show).
It should however be clear that Hyperion does not dictate the rules here and if Amiga puts in place a certification scheme (which we actually think is a good idea), then we abide by that.
It's a matter of fact that bPlan can apply for certification just like any other company if they wish to ship OS 4.
It's a matter of fact that third parties like dealers can buy bPlan boards in quantity, get them certified by Amiga and ship them with OS 4.
There really isn't anything sinister about this scheme.
I should also point out that contrary to popular belief you don't need to pay Amiga anything for the certification.
What you are paying for, is OS 4 OEM and obviously the cost of OS 4 should be born by the end-customer, not the dealer or bPlan.
I fail to see what is so "evil" about this that a company must submit to certification and ship its product with OS 4 to those users that have specifically requested it.
It's not like Amiga is demanding that all these "industrial customers" of bPlan need to get a copy of OS 4.
It's not like Amiga is demanding that people interested in getting a Linux machine only get OS 4.
This isn't Microsoft where you need to pay for an OEM install of Windows even if the first thing you do is to install Linux.
AmigaOS 4.0 on Pegasos : Comment 50 of 510ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 15-Apr-2002 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anders Kjeldsen):
The new exec, improved gui (visually and functionality wise), improved and native PPC datatypes & libraries, etc.
And what I meant by "planned for in the future" was the AmigaOS5 specifications. Sure, those plans are very uncertain but nevertheless, MorphOS doesn't even has those features planned at all, AFAIK.
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