28-Mar-2024 17:51 GMT.
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
Anonymous, there are 39 items in your selection
[News] Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel VelascoANN.lu
Posted on 18-Apr-2002 19:20 GMT by Kronos39 comments
View flat
View list
http://www.amiga-news.de/archiv02/020417_interview_bb_pt.shtml
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 1 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-Apr-2002 17:26 GMT
A particularly good interview.
Interesting excerpt:
amiga-news.de: Bill: You made public a Fleecy Moss email to you. IMHO this is not a professional way to act. What motivated you to do this?
Thendic France: I did not do this. [ cut bits about making it up with Fleecy ]
Who did it then and why? Perhaps this will explain why the prose was so wildly different.
Dave.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 2 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Jonathan Hart on 18-Apr-2002 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
Havemose is part of a team working on a JVM for Pegasos/MorphOS.
Haven't heard that before.
Jon
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 3 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Altarus on 18-Apr-2002 17:45 GMT
Allan is developing the Java Virtual Machine for the Pegasos/eclipsis and will work also on the Linux side of our efforts.
WoW. That's joker. :)
-altar-
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 4 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 18-Apr-2002 18:10 GMT
"Having said that, anyone can buy a Pegasos and do whatever they want with it."
Uhm, solder a AOS4 ROM somewhere on it?
or
Buy the ROM, read the contents , place it into the flash and start hacking AOS4?
"we will draw from the resources of all the companies to make the Pegasos and the eclipsis successful."
Ah...OK that's nice to hear....I'm glad they didn't mention MorphOS here
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 5 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 18-Apr-2002 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
Maybe he's stonewalling or he really didn't make the post
of emails. (or the email itself) I'll give the benefit of
the doubt on this one. But at least he has some senese of
public image. Still, i wish they would pair up with Amiga
and get a Pegasos+AOS4 machine out. I'll decide in a few
months if the HW survives and if the customer service
from bPlan is worth my money. I still remember the horror
stories from people who got ripped off by Phase5. Same
people, different name. I'll wait before buying one. For
now, the AmigaOne is the best machine out there. As for
MorphOS, it's a clone of AmigaOS, changed and revised
maybe but, still a clone. I'm no tricky lawyer but how
can that be legal in any country or even moraly right?
GRUNT
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 6 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 18-Apr-2002 18:28 GMT
seems to me they`ve just set up huge amounts of companies doing um ... just about nothing lol spose they need all those bank accounts to keep the money moving around so no one catches on ;).
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 7 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 18-Apr-2002 18:31 GMT
So the email sent by B??? B??? was "a regrettable incident."
Guess thats Fleecy being VERY diplomatic... Anyway, nice to see they have talked about that mail.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 8 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 18-Apr-2002 18:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (AmiTroll):
> As for MorphOS, it's a clone of
> AmigaOS, changed and revised maybe
> but, still a clone. I'm no tricky
> lawyer but how can that be legal in
> any country or even moraly right?
Guess how many parts of AmigaOS is a ripoff of other older technologies.
As to morality... How can Chrysler make a car... it's just a clone of the Ford car...
... copying and improving is the basis of any culture...
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 9 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 18-Apr-2002 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Mekanix):
>As to morality... How can Chrysler make a car...
>it's just a clone of the Ford car...
The car was invented (and patented) by Carl Benz
and Gottlieb Daimler.
Anyone not driving a Mercedes,Chrysler or Smart is
using stolen IP.
*veg*
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 10 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 18-Apr-2002 18:43 GMT
Before this gets out of hand:
Let the BEST OS win !
Let it win by fair actions.
Let it run on the best possible HW.
May it sell in millions (/me dreaming)
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 11 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Apr-2002 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Kronos):
"May it sell in millions (/me dreaming)"
Agreed (that you are dreaming:). It would be nice if the market was that big.
Someday maybe....Someday (/thats me dreaming)
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 12 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Apr-2002 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (AmiTroll):
>I'll decide in a few
>months if the HW survives and if the customer service
>from bPlan is worth my money. I still remember the horror
>stories from people who got ripped off by Phase5. Same
>people, different name.
Can you please tell us which one of the P5 employees that were working in the support department work for Bplan ?
>I'll wait before buying one. For
>now, the AmigaOne is the best machine out there. As for
Based on what test ? On what announced feature ?
>MorphOS, it's a clone of AmigaOS, changed and revised
>maybe but, still a clone.
How is it different from what AmigaOS4 could be ?
Isn't it just the name ?
Amitroll, Amifan : troll and fan sound negative for me.
Even Ami* does now.
It is time to forget the name and to resurect the spirit !
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 13 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 18-Apr-2002 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
"It is time to forget the name and to resurect the spirit !"
Yeah ! SNK FOREVER :)
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 14 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 18-Apr-2002 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amifan):
hmmm...I can see someone making somekind of boot loader that boots linux and then boots AmigaOS4...kind of a kickstart type thing. No ROM needed just a ROM image.
coldfire
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 15 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 18-Apr-2002 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (AmiTroll):
> Maybe he's stonewalling or he really didn't make the post
of emails. (or the email itself) I'll give the benefit of
the doubt on this one
Let me put it this way: It isnt the first diplomatic rewrite of history we have seen on this platform and it wont be the last.
I also fail to see how public commentary on a email publically released by someone other than AInc can be damaging to any AInc case. I also fail to see that any other commentary by advisors to subcontractors explaining the law can be damaging to any AInc case. This part of the interview I think is a little warning shot "please shut up about it" ;-)
It wont be what is morally right that settles this one, it will be what is legally right. Maybe. ;-)
A nice own goal amusingly scored by both "sides". I have copies of the original "revisions" of the Thendic press releases for historical purposes.
Time to lay this one to rest and look forward to the future.
Dave.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 16 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 18-Apr-2002 19:22 GMT
Argh!
Can't people just _comment_on_the_news_ without throwing the discussion
equivalent of a molotov cocktail: "Morphos is just an illegal Amiga emulator"?
Soon someone will follow up with "AmigaINC and/or Ben Hermans sucks", and the
cycle will be complete.
You people really do like shouting at each other don't you? There are BAF:s
and BMF:s around every corner these days.
.
SlimJim
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 17 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 18-Apr-2002 19:49 GMT
One thing that crossed my mind thats a bit funny to think of is BillMS leader Bill = Amiga leader and Bill = thendic leader! shit maybe i must name my son Bill to make sure he gets a leading job =)
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 18 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 18-Apr-2002 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (DaveW):
Perhaps it's just me, but with every rewrite there also seems to be a poorly veiled cheap shot at Amiga Inc. and each time I lose respect for the messenger. At the end of the day this sounds more and more like two cocks crowing on a dunghill. Everyone wants to be the hero, but neither is swift enough to realize what they're standing in.
Clearly there is a renegade group that wants to pursue the same ideals, but bubbling beneath the surface is an agenda that has its own aroma. And in the end, how many ways can you split a .01% piece of the pie?
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 19 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 18-Apr-2002 20:25 GMT
Some things I found interesting:
"If I was Amiga, I would not allow anyone with a legitimate association to Amiga Inc. to publicly discuss these specific issues online. Bill or Fleecy should do it if it is thought to be necessary. Anyone else is corrupting the process for them."
He is actually quite right - Hermans shouts his mouth off quite a lot, and yet nobody accuses him of being unprofesional.
""Amiga - my life" is under work"
I hope they make an English version. That book will be very interesting :)
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 20 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 18-Apr-2002 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (coldfire):
>hmmm...I can see someone making somekind of boot loader that boots linux and
>then boots AmigaOS4...kind of a kickstart type thing. No ROM needed just a ROM
>image.
There's more chance of that happening on the Mac. I don't see anyone whinging about the existance THAT PPC computer in case of piracy.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 21 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 18-Apr-2002 21:39 GMT
>Still, i wish they would pair up with Amiga
>and get a Pegasos+AOS4 machine out.
Well given that pegasos will be here a lot sooner I can only imagine your plea implies that you want bplan to get AOS4 up to speed |-\
There will be buttloads of time after the pegasos is released for AOS4 to be ported provided that come June AOS4 exists and people actually still want it. I'm not saying that won't happen, but it's a bit early to jump on a bandwagon which isn't even here.
I think I'll wait and see, unlike the Ami* people who are jumping like so many lemmings.
Down boy...
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 22 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 18-Apr-2002 21:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (smithy):
> There's more chance of that happening on the Mac. I don't see anyone whinging about the existance THAT PPC computer in case of piracy.
If I understand what you're trying to say (I hope english isn't your primary language) then I think this has come up in the case of PowerPC emulators which ran MacOS like sheep shaver and MOL.
I believe the end game was that it was legal to do so, so long the host OS was running on Apple HW. This is fair given that the price of MacOS didn't cover the cost of development but rather the price of Apple's HW did.
Apple didn't care much since the only non-Apple PowerPC PC was the BeBox which only had sales of like 1000, however now that POP hardware is cropping up piracy may become a concern (and it's too late to recall MacOS 9 and install some dongle protection scheme).
When this hardware becomes available, and no doubt many here will buy said hardware, you will be able to run LinuxPPC and thus MOL. If it is illegal to run MacOS on non-Apple HW how many of you are going to respect that? If you want to run Adobe apps are you going to wait until they port them to LinuxPPC, MorphOS, or AOS4 knowing that it may never happen and you could run them under MOL?
The alternative of course is running their software on a Wintel PC or an Apple Mac. Ah the price of a clear conscience....
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 23 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 18-Apr-2002 22:34 GMT
Hmmmm, has it been so long that people have forgotten that judgements work alot better when you actually have a product to make judgements about.
All else is just ...... well what?
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 24 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga User in Waiting.... on 19-Apr-2002 01:29 GMT
One of the sad things about the Amiga community.
Reading that interview, I really want to like The Thendic folks.
I already like Petro.
I hope that they are able to come to terms with Amiga before it is too late. I definately think that a partnership would help both sides, especially for Thendic & bPlan.
One thing all these people share, is that they really do love the Amiga.
They *need* to make it work.... no, they *HAVE* to make it work.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 25 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 19-Apr-2002 02:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
>Who did it then and why?
I guess then Fleecy must have done it himself while sleeping...
Seriosuly, if he didn't do it who else could? I thought that was an email exchange, which usually is between two parties or a very limited number of people. Of course one could have sent a BCC: to someone else but somehow I doubt that's Fleecy.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 26 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 19-Apr-2002 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (smithy):
>He is actually quite right - Hermans shouts his mouth off quite a lot, and yet nobody accuses him of being unprofesional.
Nobody? Try 100% of MOS fans and a lot of AOS fans.
I think Chris Hodges made good summary of it all:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2002-04-00150-EN.html
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 27 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Apr-2002 04:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (priest):
I love the bit where he sayes MorphOS fans and AOS trolls.
Does he mean that [all] MorphOS fans exhibit this behaviour but only AOS trolls do? ;-)
Bad choice of language in an otherwise interesting commentary. The few times I have winced when Ben posted was when he was practically accusing MOS of recompiling the OS3.x source for PPC or using it at least. A more choice use of words would have been "the allegations are...".
Dave.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 28 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Apr-2002 04:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (priest):
I love the bit where he sayes MorphOS fans and AOS trolls.
Does he mean that [all] MorphOS fans exhibit this behaviour but only AOS trolls do? ;-)
Bad choice of language in an otherwise interesting commentary. The few times I have winced when Ben posted was when he was practically accusing MOS of recompiling the OS3.x source for PPC or using it at least. A more choice use of words would have been "the allegations are...".
Dave.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 29 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 19-Apr-2002 06:29 GMT
heh, and just when there wasn't enough dirty laundry falling from the skies you get this:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2002-04-00154-EN.html
I think Amiga is 20% technological solutions and 80% mean-spirited politics.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 30 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2002 06:59 GMT
Time to switch...
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 31 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by AlphaFoX on 19-Apr-2002 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveW):
>I love the bit where he sayes MorphOS fans and AOS trolls.
>Does he mean that [all] MorphOS fans exhibit this behaviour but only AOS trolls
>do? ;-)
No no! That means that MOS has only fans, but AOS has only ...well, you guess it.
</JOKE>
He wrote "some MOS fans" :-)
Heck, I should better eat something than write such useless comments her. I'm off for lunch.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 32 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-Apr-2002 08:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (strobe):
> heh, and just when there wasn't enough dirty laundry falling from the skies you get this:
> http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2002-04-00154-EN.html
> I think Amiga is 20% technological solutions and 80% mean-spirited politics.
No matter how many times I read this I cannot find fault with Amiga Incs position. The
group that dropped the ball seems to be H+P and that "error" has landed Bernie in the
doggy doo.
Can you enlighten me ( without resorting to morality plays about software freedom ) why
this shows AInc in a bad light?
Dave.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 33 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2002 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (DaveW):
Re: H+P licensing dispute
What AInc did here was not say "This product isn't going to get licensed, no way, no how" nor "We will license this product" but rather "We are negotiating a license, and so... um, distribute the product and we'll agree the details later". They didn't tell the public (who they now accuse of being "pirates" for using this product) and they didn't tell the author, until it was too late. Yet another failed attempt to keep dirty laundry out of the public eye.
So we have the situation where Amiga employees are "thrilled" about the product and there are Amiga press releases / updates / whatever telling people to look forward to it coming out, and then half a year later AInc says "Oh, actually this is an unlicensed product. We are shocked *shocked* *shocked* that someone would go behind our backs like this"
That's insane, totally insane. Ever known someone buying a house who was allowed to moved in before the contracts were signed? Of course not, no-one conducts a property deal in such an insane manner. No properly run company would have allowed this to happen, so we have to conclude that AInc is still being run by a bunch of people who are "learning on the job" and not very quickly at that.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 34 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Apr-2002 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (4pLaY):
> One thing that crossed my mind thats a bit funny to think of is BillMS
> leader BillAmiga leader and Bill = thendic leader! shit maybe i must name > my son Bill to make sure he gets a leading job =)
Yes but there's also a 66.666666666666666666666 etc % chance of him becoming an idiot. I'll leave it up to all the flame war lovers here to decide which Bill is the only cool Bill :-)
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 35 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 19-Apr-2002 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
>Amitroll, Amifan : troll and fan sound negative for me.
>Even Ami* does now.
What about anonymous then?
>It is time to forget the name and to resurect the spirit !
The spirit? Go change to Linux and get everything for free if you want to resurrect the spirit. Or don't you like it when there's nothing illegal about it anymore?
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 36 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Apr-2002 09:53 GMT
a cease ad desist letter to bernie after proclaiming it aos x86. it makes me laugh at those clowns really. they got an inside deal with the gatway licencing and they've totally fu$%#@$ up the amiga market (atm, imho) as we know it with the everchanging borderline incometent DEad strategy.
accept that morph is legal and it's going to be released and many amiga users will use and dig it.
imight even buy a pegasos myself when that vid edditing app is released and at least attempts to match final cut pro on g3.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 37 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Apr-2002 09:55 GMT
<apologies jsut had to post this rant to the thendic thread ;) >
amino has to compromise with thendic or they will have no market left when 'official; os3.1 - to ppc is finished a long time from now.
don't forget mcewan clown stated that hyperion have to recreate parts of 3.5/3.9 even b4 they start ppc development? isin't that a joke?
so now because of amino the lineage of aos is broken with 3.5/3.9 source code not being used in the official software.
so what's this crap graham posts about aos being developed for 18 years when even havenhose or the guy who made aos 2/3 is doing stuff for morphos/linux on the pegasos
so what's the real aos? hyperion os or morph os? they are both replicating 3.1 onto the ppc proc family.
no legal chalenges must happen. either there is compromise or the best product will win.
amino has managed groups in the amiga community like bplan and hack&pack and titan etc really badly.
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 38 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 19-Apr-2002 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (cheesegrate):
> a cease ad desist letter to bernie after proclaiming it aos x86. it makes me laugh at those clowns really
A 'cease and resist'? Really? When did that come? All I've heard was that AInc
informed Bernie that there were legal doubt about Amithlon. Then Bernie invoked
a clause in his contract telling H&P to stop selling it - to be on the safer side
and play nice. Well done, I'd say. As far as I've heard that's all AInc's been doing
so far - informing him of of the problems with H&P. Perhaps you hold info not available
to me...?
Hopefully, things will work out. Bernie did write in his FAQ that AInc do want
Amithlon to be distributed and that new, legal packages would (hopefully) soon
be available.
On another matter: People accuse AInc of 'washing their dirty laundry in publiuc'...
I simply cannot support that notion: AInc:s PR may have been abysmal from time to
time, but they do certainly know how to keep their mouths shut. The only time their
inner doings have been exposed in public (where it does not belong) have
been through third parties releasing the information in one format or another,
lately even without AInc:s consent. AInc make their updates and their press-releases,
and whatever we may think about the content or clarity of those releases, you don't
see representatives of AInc flaming or bickering about it afterwards.
This stance is, at least in my book, paying off, conveying a sense of business-
like professionalism at least in this sense (I cannot comment on the professionalism
of their business handling, because I don't know. The snippets of info we are shown is
simply not big enough to make an informed opinion). The same must be said about the MOS-
side, at least the lead people have learned to refrain from ranting on the forums. That
does earns them an air of seriousness. To bad so many are intent on destroying
that image...<sad smile>
.
SlimJim
Interview with Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco : Comment 39 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 19-Apr-2002 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (SlimJim):
Hmmm "cease and desist" of course. I don't what a "cease and resist" would be...;-)
.
SlimJim
Anonymous, there are 39 items in your selection
Back to Top