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[News] News from Power Computing Ltd ANN.lu Posted on 23-Apr-2002 17:35 GMT by Tony Ianiri 45 comments View flat View list The boss of Power Computing Ltd (UK) expresses his point of view on the newsletter from Software Hut. We at Power Computing Ltd, have been in the Amiga Market since day one. We are dealers, which means, just in case, that we are always prepared to sell all products once they become available, trying to stay away from all the diatribes that have spurred recently, as we know that at the end, they only damage an already difficult Amiga market. Surely if a new product comes out we are very happy to sell it, as long as it represent a good deal to our customers, and it is not changed on its way, as it has happened already with product like the Predator, that from a so much publicised original design, it became DCE’s G-REX with a different label. We have followed www.ann.lu for years. After reading with great attention the long thread of messages generated by Software Hut’s recent newsletter, we have to say that we found “strange” that if… ”There is no factual basis behind what Software Hut have said about the AmigaOne.”, the answer, supposed to set a good example and prove it wrong, has used some seriously damaging allegations instead of facts, involving even more Amiga companies. Is it really this the way those few Amiga companies which have kept the market alive? It is not vapourware that they have designed, manufactured and helped to sell spending a lot of money in advertising and offering technical support. We can’t sell vapourware but innovative products, like the ones that opened the PCI cards market to the Amiga. Elbox is the only company that has actually tried to create new hardware based on new ideas without “recycling” project of other Amiga companies gone bust (or that just couldn’t develop a product further) and then pretending that was their own. As a prove of our coherence, when we were told that the Shark would become available only with OS4, we removed it from our web site! Surely not because we hate Elbox? Finally, should we follow the example and ask if were any products ever actually “manufactured” by Eyetech? Manufacturing goes ways beyond from buying someone else boards and putting your own sticker. One thing make us happy, and is that, hopefully, the AmigaOne developer board, according what we have read so far, should be with the developers by now (if it is April 2002 that we were talking about). As the developer boards are going to be exactly the same, apart from the ROMs, then all these rumours should stop and we will see if the long waited AmigaOne has anything to do with some PPC Linux motherboards or is really an original project. We are waiting to see all of these products materialized, including OS4, and we are prepared to make available from our web site all the ones that will prove more reliable. We are also contemplating, once the dust settles, to explore all the solutions and alternatives, to offer to our customers the best deals, as we always do. Tony Ianiri Power Computing Ltd News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 1 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Graham on 23-Apr-2002 16:02 GMT > As the developer boards are going to be exactly the same, apart from the ROMs Actually, the developer boards do come with the correct ROMs preinstalled as well. This was mentioned yesterday or today on the AmigaOne mailing list, IIRC. Grhaam News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 2 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by SlimJim on 23-Apr-2002 16:29 GMT > We have followed www.ann.lu for years. After reading with great attention the > long thread of messages generated by Software Hut’s recent newsletter, we have > to say that we found “strange” that if… ”There is no factual basis behind what > software Hut have said about the AmigaOne.”, the answer, supposed to set a good > example and prove it wrong, has used some seriously damaging allegations instead > of facts, involving even more Amiga companies. > Is it really this the way those few Amiga companies which have kept the market alive? > It is not vapourware that they have designed [...] Maybe it's my english that's not being sufficient - but what point is this guy pushing? Is he dismissing Eyetech's reply, defending Software Hut, supporting Eyetech, bashing companies not doing their own hardware or...what? . SlimJim News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 3 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by The_Editor on 23-Apr-2002 16:40 GMT Hi Tony. Nice to see you on this forum and thanks for supporting Amiga from good times and bad and hopefully back to good. As a customer of Power I can vouch for your products & after service. > I dont know if you can recall me pulling up outside your flashy new shop in my 44 tonne Artic and buying a Epson Gt5000 scanner, and calling back a further 2 days running buying two more scanners for my very impressed friends? > Well just for your info ................. There ALL still running .. Only when I connect to my Editstation, My precious scanner isnt recognised anymore (Win2KPro). No Probs. Trusty Ami & ImageFX does the trick. Best of luck for the future & I hope that Amiga sales will once again become the mainstay of your business. Paul .... Peterborough ..Uk (Strange coincidence, that. I was in Bedford today.. Manton Rd) News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 4 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by DaveE on 23-Apr-2002 18:18 GMT In reply to "to offer to our customers the best deals, as we always do" hmm, coming from a company that charges £15 for a simple 25 pin to centronics cable? And that charges £50 for a SuperBuster rev. 11, where www.vesalia.de charge about half that? I could go on, but I won't. Personally, I think you're just trying to stir up opposition to Eyetech- there IS no other motive for that post. You say you are "always prepared to sell all products once they become available, trying to stay away from all the diatribes that have spurred recently, as we know that at the end, they only damage an already difficult Amiga market." But that's blatantly a lie- as you are doing the exact opposite here! In my opinion, there is no point to your post, except to say- we think Eyetech are lying, don't buy their stuff, buy Elbox stuff as we already sell it, and will sell more as and when it's released. Eyetech are doing a good job- they have the board ready, all it needs now is OS 4 and they, and we, are in business. You are in direct competition with them- therefore I would hope all readers would take your comments with a very large pinch of salt. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 5 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by DaveE on 23-Apr-2002 18:43 GMT In reply to Comment 3 (The_Editor): In reply to: "As a customer of Power I can vouch for your products & after service. > I dont know if you can recall me pulling up outside your flashy new shop in my 44 tonne Artic and buying a Epson Gt5000 scanner, and calling back a further 2 days running buying two more scanners for my very impressed friends? > Well just for your info ................. There ALL still running .. Only when I connect to my Editstation, My precious scanner isnt recognised anymore (Win2KPro). No Probs. Trusty Ami & ImageFX does the trick." I actually found Power Computing's after sales to be fairly bad. I bought some stuff from them, and when it was delivered I noticed a few things: 1. They charged £4.50 plus for postage and packing; the price for postage on the packet was £1.20. It was delivered in a jiffy bag, costing about £0.40. When I asked about this, I was told it was because "they are under contract to the post office, and they charge to pick it up"- fine, but not almost three times the cost of posting, surely. I do realise some companies use the p&p to bump up profits, but I don't like being lied to much. 2. I was delivered A1200 ROMs instead of A3000- I could tell this by the fact (a)the roms I had were exactly the same as the ones in my A1200 and (b)they came with a sheet telling me how to install them in an A1200. When I rang up to find out what had gone wrong, I spoke to a very miserable lady, who wasn't very polite, TOLD me to wait while she checked something (rather than being asked), and basically assumed I was an idiot- yes, she said, they will look like the ROMs in your A1200. I received the replacements today- they have A3000 written all over them, there's no WAY I could mistake them for A1200 ones!! Also I was told I would be refunded the cost of me returning the A1200 ROMs- I received the new ROMs today, but no refund. Basically, Power do a good job when everything goes right, but I was most dismayed by the lack of courtesy from after sales. I thought it was a given that if you work in that environment, you answer the telephone with "Hello, power computing, how can I help you?" and do everything to keep the customer happy. Also, I requested confirmation of receipt of the returned ROMs and information of when the replacements would be dispatched via e-mail. I received neither. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 6 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Graham on 23-Apr-2002 18:52 GMT In reply to Comment 5 (DaveE): Obviously you missed out the "and packing" part of "postage and packing". £3.50 is quite a good deal on P&P these days. Many places charge a lot more (£10 Scan) for it. And VAT is also put on P&P - I don't know if your P&P charge included VAT or not though. If it did, then the packing charge was around £1 which seems fair to me. Still, not nice when you get a miserable person on the phone for your other complaint... Graham News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 7 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Mikey C on 23-Apr-2002 19:46 GMT In reply to Comment 6 (Graham): I have bought tonnes of stuff over my lifetime from Power Computing and I must say that in the Amiga heyday they and Eyetech were/are the No.1 Amiga people in the UK for hardware. Recently though, it's only Tony who seems to be the only Amiga literate person left. Every one else there comes across as PC centric only. When I need to speak to someone about Amiga stuff and Tony isn't there, I get the feeling that some of the staff there seem to have an aversion to speaking to Amiga customers. (It's my perception only mind) Having said all that, Power Computing have been very good on everything that I have ever ordered and aside from my perception, their service is first class. UK users are very fortunate to have two of the best Amiga hardware dealers in the world based here. Tony if you are reading this, what are the chances of Power computing appearing at World of Amiga Southeast this year? News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 8 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Darren Glenn on 23-Apr-2002 20:28 GMT In reply to Comment 7 (Mikey C): I hope they are, IMHO they need to turn out to shows to attract more customer. Also does anyone read micromart? I do and i noticed PowerC advertise in it now, but to my amazment no mention of there amiga stock yet micromart attracts a few amiga users. I wouldve thought the double page advert would at least have a little box out on with "We also sell amiga hardware and software, check out our website for further details".... just my 2 pence worth :) News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 9 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by amigammc on 23-Apr-2002 22:03 GMT In reply to Comment 2 (SlimJim): >Is he dismissing Eyetech's reply, defending Software Hut, supporting >Eyetech, bashing companies not doing their own hardware or...what? I didn't understand either... I thought it was me News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 10 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 23-Apr-2002 22:21 GMT The tough thing for these companies is that their customers aren't buying Amiga kit, and haven't been for over a year now, because at any moment in time the A1 is always three months or less from completion. Since the AmigaOne has always been hyped as cheaper AND higher performance than all other solutions all but the richest users are naturally inclined to wait, and wait, and wait... You're thinking this is maybe exagerated? * Nov 2000 AInc announced the A1 for shipping 1Q2001 with dev boards available before the end of the year. * By Spring, when it was obvious that 1Q2001 had slipped, AInc and Eyetech announced "Summer" availability which Amigans leaped on as proof of a June/July arrival. * As June came around there was an "update" from Eyetech warning that dev boards would be available in September, and consumer boards in October. * During October Amiga fans swore blind everything was on schedule and then in November there was a new announcement, the A1 was now scheduled for the "New Year" which was generally interpreted as 'January or February' * At the end of February Hyperion were telling everyone that OS 4 was due for a March/April release, but perhaps not on the AmigaOne * Then Eyetech showed up with dev boards to be shipped, well, now and consumer boards now supposedly held up by AOS 4.0 (can't have it both ways) So I think every dealer [except Eyetech] has good reason to believe that their customers were deliberately misled by the partners (AInc, Eyetech, and more recently Hyperion) to keep customers' wallets closed until the Eyetech product arrives, which all three parties stand to make the most money from. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 11 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 01:09 GMT > > "We at Power Computing Ltd, have been in the Amiga Market since day one. We are dealers, which means, just in case, that we are always prepared to sell all products once they become available, trying to stay away from all the diatribes that have spurred recently, as we know that at the end, they only damage an already difficult Amiga market." > > Its not just the diatribes you've stayed away from. Actually you've stayed away from the whole Amiga market for the past couple of years. Power Computing has not attended any of the UK user group shows even though most of them are nearly in your own back yard. AFAIK Eyetech has been to every one. > > "Surely if a new product comes out we are very happy to sell it, as long as it represent a good deal to our customers, and it is not changed on its way, as it has happened already with product like the Predator, that from a so much publicised original design, it became DCE's G-REX with a different label." > > The Predator and the GREX were both DoA products because DCE never produced any Blizzard PPC's to attach them to, as they promised. What's your point exactly? Are you trying to blame Eyetech for DCE's now legendary failure to deliver virtually anything that they promised? > > "We have followed www.ann.lu for years. After reading with great attention the long thread of messages generated by Software Hut's recent newsletter, we have to say that we found "strange" that if… "There is no factual basis behind what Software Hut have said about the AmigaOne.", the answer, supposed to set a good example and prove it wrong, has used some seriously damaging allegations instead of facts, involving even more Amiga companies." > > Ah-ha, now were coming to the point. Software Hut have historically sold lots of Power Computing products and both you and Software Hut have prospered by getting territorial exclusives from people like Elbox, making huge margins and forcing other dealers to buy through you. I can see that the AmigaOne's open distribution policy is really going to screw up your regular business practices. Or is this just a bit of advanced groundwork before both you and Software Hut announce exclusive territorial distribution rights for bplan/Thendic products? > > "Is it really this the way those few Amiga companies which have kept the market alive? It is not vapourware that they have designed, manufactured and helped to sell spending a lot of money in advertising and offering technical support. We can't sell vapourware but innovative products, like the ones that opened the PCI cards market to the Amiga. Elbox is the only company that has actually tried to create new hardware based on new ideas without "recycling" project of other Amiga companies gone bust (or that just couldn't develop a product further) and then pretending that was their own." > > I presume that your reference to recycling projects of companies that have gone bust refers to DCE's abortive attempts to make Blizzard PPC accelerators - but I really cant see the anti-Eyetech point in this one either. > > "As a prove of our coherence, when we were told that the Shark would become available only with OS4, we removed it from our web site! Surely not because we hate Elbox? Finally, should we follow the example and ask if were any products ever actually "manufactured" by Eyetech? Manufacturing goes ways beyond from buying someone else boards and putting your own sticker" > > Oh so you don't like badge engineering? Well lets see now. Power Tower, Power Flyer, Punchinello - all made and designed by Elbox I think; Power Typhoon, Power Viper accelerators - designed and manufactured by Apollo and DCE; PowerPort Junior - designed and made by VMC. Shall I go on?. At least Eyetech designed and made some of their own stuff (tower systems, keyboard adapters, rack cases, midi interfaces etc - and most of it excellent IMO) but had the sense to pull in experts for something as complex as the AmigaOne (well perhaps not Escena, but at least they owned up to that and got in some real experts eventually) > > "One thing make us happy, and is that, hopefully, the AmigaOne developer board, according what we have read so far, should be with the developers by now (if it is April 2002 that we were talking about). As the developer boards are going to be exactly the same, apart from the ROMs, then all these rumours should stop and we will see if the long waited AmigaOne has anything to do with some PPC Linux motherboards or is really an original project." > > Well I take it you missed the ordering deadline as well as Software Hut, otherwise you'd know the real status. And since Eyetech has already stated that the AmigaOneG3-SE *will* run Linux what really is your point here? > > "We are waiting to see all of these products materialized, including OS4, and we are prepared to make available from our web site all the ones that will prove more reliable. We are also contemplating, once the dust settles, to explore all the solutions and alternatives, to offer to our customers the best deals, as we always do." > > Oh I see. What your really saying is that you and Software Hut have been caught on the hop by the imminent arrival of the AmigaOneG3-SE & OS4 and now you're both desperately trying to find a territorially-exclusive, me-too product to sell. If this is your best effort at supporting the Amiga market then kindly leave the stage and get back to selling your PC's. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 12 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by AmiTroll on 24-Apr-2002 02:24 GMT I think you people are being to hard on Power Computing here. But then anything i can say will be purely speculative and i believe most of the confusion here comes from the fact that english is obviously not Tony's first language. So please cut him some slack. If just a little. It looks like this was written in german(??) and then translated through Babelfish at Alta Vista which as everyone knows does a horrible job when you want to know 'what it means'. Still, it looks like they are behind the AmigaOne and OS4 and will be selling it. Other than that i can't comment because i can't make much sense of the translation. :) GRUNT News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 13 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by priest on 24-Apr-2002 04:11 GMT IMHO: it would have been better to not to post that, because this is what I dug out from your post... >We at Power Computing Ltd, have been in the Amiga Market since day one. We are >dealers, which means, just in case, that we are always prepared to sell all >products once they become available, trying to stay away from all the >diatribes that have spurred recently, as we know that at the end, they only >damage an already difficult Amiga market. Good policy, but... >Surely if a new product comes out we are very happy to sell it, as long as it >represent a good deal to our customers, and it is not changed on its way, as >it has happened already with product like the Predator, that from a so much >publicised original design, it became DCE’s G-REX with a different label. So Escena failed to deliver? Who did this hurt? DCE? I doubt. >We have followed www.ann.lu for years. After reading with great attention the >long thread of messages generated by Software Hut’s recent newsletter, we have >to say that we found “strange” that if… ”There is no factual basis behind what >Software Hut have said about the AmigaOne.”, the answer, supposed to set a >good example and prove it wrong, has used some seriously damaging allegations >instead of facts, involving even more Amiga companies. Pretty valid note. But bplan policy is starting to smell here... (even though you might not intend so) >Is it really this the way those few Amiga companies which have kept the market alive? I did not get that... ? (...way for those few... or ...way to treat those...) I thought Phase5 + Petro brought us from 96 to 98 (or so). RIP Phase5. >It is not vapourware that they have designed, manufactured and helped to sell >spending a lot of money in advertising and offering technical support. Are you talking about DCE? (U C, bplan has delivered nothing) But DCE re-used phase5 designs? And have performed poorly in customer support? >We can’t sell vapourware but innovative products, like the ones that opened >the PCI cards market to the Amiga. Hehe, it would be difficult to make business by selling vapourware... ;) So you are giving credit to Elbox. >Elbox is the only company that has actually tried to create new hardware based "tried" ... you mean they failed? You took the credit off from Elbox. (bplan smell...) >on new ideas without “recycling” project of other Amiga companies gone bust Stab at DCE's back? >(or that just couldn’t develop a product further) Stab at DCE's (and Eyetech) back? > and then pretending that was their own. Stab at Eyetech's back. >As a prove of our coherence, when we were told that the Shark would become >available only with OS4, we removed it from our web site! WOW! What does Elbox have to do with the quilty Eyetech. (bplan smell...) >Surely not because we hate Elbox? But because you got e-mail from bplan? >Finally, should we follow the example and ask if were any products ever >actually “manufactured” by Eyetech? I have always thought they do not have manufacturing facility, so they can not? Instead they paid DCE to produce A1 protos ... but now it's impossible for several reasons ... like bplan. What's the problem in paying someone else to produce the goods for you? I think even bplan boards are manufactured by third party. >Manufacturing goes ways beyond from buying someone else boards and putting >your own sticker. Oh... bitterness because of the predator sticker... WHO DID IT HUR? Damn, I was HAPPY that Eyetech used DCE product instead of splitting the PCI-bus standards even further. >One thing make us happy, and is that, hopefully, the AmigaOne developer board, >according what we have read so far, should be with the developers by now (if >it is April 2002 that we were talking about). LOL! This is just too obvious. Try again, currently bplan smells through! >As the developer boards are going to be exactly the same, apart from the ROMs, Well... someone educated you about that issue already... >then all these rumours should stop and we will see if the long waited AmigaOne >has anything to do with some PPC Linux motherboards or is really an original project. Now your artilery is fully set AND VISIBE! YOU KNOW IT! Like everyone else, STOP this game. A1.5 is a re-designed/updated/evolution version of TeronCX design, from the same company that designed TeronCX. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE? Isn't it better to use a proven and tested good technology than produce yet another buggy design that would need another 6 month to 12 month to prototype and debug it buggy free? I want guality on my Amiga and now it means some german motherboard or some asian motherboard... (I already have some high guality asian products and some poor guality german products.... but still, I will look into both.) Or is linux PPC the bad thing? Is it a desease? No it all sounds like bplan's microsoftian policy. >We are waiting to see all of these products materialized, including OS4, and >we are prepared to make available from our web site all the ones that will >prove more reliable. We are also contemplating, once the dust settles, to >explore all the solutions and alternatives, to offer to our customers the best >deals, as we always do. > >Tony Ianiri >Power Computing Ltd Ok Tony, time will tell if you abandon Amiga or not. But your post was really bad one (IMHO), it left the feeling that you have been contacted by bplan to follow certain policy. Only saviour is that I did not find pegasos on your firm web pages. Is there any sane company in Amigaland? No, sorry, I know it is required to be insane to stay in Amiga market. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 14 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by kjetil on 24-Apr-2002 06:02 GMT In reply to Comment 13 (priest): To me it looks like the AmigaOne and the Pegasus boars are going to sold with about the same policies they are coming with Linux “Trubo Linux” and “Linux PPC”, One difference is that O4.0 is going to fall behind some what and AOne board is going to be released with out an OS cabal of running Amiga programs in the start. On the otter hand the question if Bplan can be released because of copyright violation, or it just going to be Linux on the Pegasos, I’m not going to argue on watt is best I just have finger on OS4.0 for now, we just have to wait and se. Concurring the Grex there was some have debate on if Grex was able to deliver or gave the hardware access it needed to be Amiga friendly, and if the performance / price issue, were so be sold or not. This is watt I think he is talking about, when he says >>Surely if a new product comes out we are very happy to sell it, as long as it >>represent a good deal to our customers, and it is not changed on its way, as >>it has happened already with product like the Predator, that from a so much >>publicised original design, it became DCE’s G-REX with a different label. ---- >>Is it really this the way those few Amiga companies which have kept the market alive? >I did not get that... ? hear he is simply stating that he can’t understand the few Amiga companies left are, keep doing dirty tricks to destroy the otters credibility. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 15 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Andrew on 24-Apr-2002 07:14 GMT I once bought stuff from Power Computing, I still have a Power Tower, but then they messed up on several orders and when I contacted them they didn't even acknowledge they existed, in all I recieved a useless XL drive, and I gave them £80 which I recieved no products for. Still this was about 2 or 3 years ago. Which is why i don't remember the exact situation. Since then I haven't bought anything from Power, only from other Amiga dealers who have not failed to actually send me products. And when I recieve the products they work. I have no idea exactly what you were trying to say but I don't like Power Computing and you look like your just trying to stir up some pathetic argument. Childish bickering hardly reflects well on a company's professionalism. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 16 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by themoose on 24-Apr-2002 07:57 GMT In reply to Comment 3 (The_Editor): Why Toni descided to post this stuff I will never know, but I dont think it has anything to do with Power being a pants company or not... Like many companies that run on low margins, I have found that Power are fine if everything goes right, first time (Which it most often does). Its when things go wrong that everything can break down. I have had missing instructions on a ELBOX tower which needed lots of arguing over, but I got in the end. A non-working PC mouse addapter was replaced with out any problems at all. I think they dont have the money to employ enough people to handle the occaisonal crisis. I have, and still do, buy lots of Amiga stuff from most (UK) companies. I have had problems with all of them over the past. I couldn't say that any of those still in the market were better or worse than each other. The ones that were _really_ good at customer support had to leave they market, I think. Up untill about 4 years ago I always used to buy from a company called "First", I think they were in Leeds. Their customer support was fantastic. But I guess they were not making enough from Amiga stuff to cover their overheads. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 17 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by John Block on 24-Apr-2002 08:37 GMT Hi Toni! Toni's objection is to people who announce new innovative products, then pass off rebadged regular items as being those new innovative products. Toni is a businessman not a writer! He is also very enthusiastic and closely and emotionally involved in his business. As consumers we have no way of knowing what Amiga and Eyetech's support and communication with retailers is like. Amiga says that people who have stuck by Amiga should be rewarded for their patience, these people include retailers. John News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 18 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Frederik Yssing on 24-Apr-2002 09:08 GMT Well if the AmigaOne is just a Linux Based PPC board.. Then won't it be possible to use IBMs own Pop Based boards ?? That would give us a lot of borads to work with... Greetz.. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 19 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 09:09 GMT In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous): Let's talk about a hypothetical user, Frank, who wants an AmigaOne. He already owns a PPC accelerated Amiga but it's been getting tempermental lately and whilst it's far better than using an unexpanded A1200 he is having trouble getting excited about its potential for continued use in the 21st century. In 2000 Frank started saving up for his next generation Amiga. Instead of putting his spare capital into long term savings or revenue generating investments he left them in an "easy access" account ready to buy an Amiga. This lost him perhaps 2-5% interest compared to longer term investments so far. In 2001 Frank bought the 'Party Pack' to help/encourage AInc to finish the AmigaOS which they said was close to complete. This cost $100, and was to include several software services (which never materialised and will anyway expire next month) as well as free copies of the new OS when it came out a month or two later. Nearly a year later, Amiga Inc have no official word on how to redeem this offer. Later that year Frank bought an "A1 ready" system from Eyetech for GBP 200. It has been gathering dust ever since, and will now never be used because it is physically incompatible with the AmigaOne and doesn't include a modern OS license. In March 2002 Frank placed an order with an Amiga dealer, cleaning out his savings to get an AmigaOne early. He still hasn't received it, and now he's hearing rumours that he won't qualify to run AmigaOS on it at all. What kind of next generation Amiga is this anyway? News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 20 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Karl Hamilton on 24-Apr-2002 10:17 GMT Poor Frank! News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 21 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Ben Yoris on 24-Apr-2002 10:54 GMT Et allez toujours les mêmes conneries... Putain les Amigaïstes ont rien d'autre à foutre en ce moment. Codez ! Graphez ! Designez ! Mais laissez tomber ces forums à 2 francs, pardon 2 euros. Et apprenez le français aussi tiens. Ca occupe aussi ça ! Marre de toujours s'exprimer en anglais, je peux pas tout dire en anglais ! :) Allez la Paillade News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 22 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Björn Hagström on 24-Apr-2002 11:07 GMT A bit off topic. 'Rant mode on' What seems a bit fun to me is that people call a motherboard, a piece of hardware, for a "Linux based motherboard". There is no such thing in my eyes. What we have is a mobo that can run linux, just as a classic amiga, a x86 pc, a ppc amiga etc etc can run linux. You don't build linux based motherboard, you modify linux to run on a platform using a specific motherboard. But it just doesn't make it "Linux based". Just as little as a motherboard in a machine running Windows is a "Windows based motherboard". Sure, a motherboard may use linux technology on a ROM/EPROM to boot up. But that doesn't make the motherboard any more "linux based" than it becomes "QNX based" if you put a QNX based ROM/EPROM on it. IMHO. /Björn, 'rant mode off' News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 23 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 11:08 GMT With all due respect, Power Computing what is the point in this post. I guess that your fearfull of loosing sales, so have to make a desperate attemt to damage Eyetechs reputation. This makes you look very very bad. In the past I have purcased many products from you. I bought them from you because they were competitivly priced, and at the time you had a lot of respect in the Amiga Community - despite the endless jokes in my school about "the lady from power computing and her permanent time of the month". Thats right - her phone manner is known for being just plain rude. One day my father spoke to her on the phone - a cable hadnt been deliverd. She was so rude to the guy, that neither of us have bought anything from you since. In contrast - Eyetech have always been incredibly helpfull. I have only perchased a coupe of things from the - both have been deliverd on time, and neither have failed. Friends of mine who have had products fail, have sent them back for repair. The reapair, replacement etc was done very quickly. Eyetech provide a service that you dont. Service is king. A year or so ago, when I phoned up about the A1 - they advised that in the meantime I buy a PC to get myself through my degree, as the A1 will be some time (then they thought 6 months). They didnt try and sell me a PC - infact they said that I should have a look in Micromart (and this was long before micromart started to cover the Amiga). So some time passed - I got micromart, and saw that Powercomputing were advertising. I thought, - its been a while - things at the company might have changed. I phoned you up, was speaking to a really friendly turkish/greek guy. I said that I remembered you from my early Amiga days - the turkish guy then proceeded to tell me that Amiga is dead etc.... well I didnt buy from you. Not so much because of the Amiga dead thing - but because you were quite expensive and I doubted that your companies customer service had imporoved. Power Computing - I read this as your fairwell letter to the Amiga community - well your suicide note if anything. I dont want you anymore - SO LEAVE. . News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 24 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by John Block on 24-Apr-2002 11:18 GMT In reply to Comment 3 (The_Editor): I was inspired to ask how much that epson scanner was and got the reply that they don't stock it. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 25 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by George on 24-Apr-2002 11:29 GMT Is it just me, or is everyone in the Amiga community on crack ? News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 26 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Janne Sirén on 24-Apr-2002 12:13 GMT In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous): I believe one of Power Computing's points (not sure about others, but this in the beginning of their post did seem quite clear and legitimate) is that Software Hut's posting received such a reply from Eyetech (on the AmigaOne list) that included quite a bit of innuendo (list of speculatory questions as to why Software Hut did what they did, including in the subject a claim that it was deliberate) that in my opinion was very much unnecessary and quite counter-productive in many ways. No proof was suggested or offered. Software Hut may have just made a mistake, not everything isabout bPland as was suggested... I have no information one way or the other, but I do know the innuendo did cause quite a bit of bad blood around here. That was unnecessary and perhaps one thing Power Computing (if that post is from them) was commenting on. Personally I wondered about this on the AmigaOne list a few days back as well. It is curious and unfortunate that almost anything these days, even very likely mistakes, translate to bPlan advocacy to many people. To many I'm probably a bPlan advocate myself just by pointing this out although I have no connection to them and no plans to choose either way between these competitors, nor any personal or business interest in MorphOS (that is to say I find the project interesting but see, for myself, no use for the product at the moment or in the foreseeable future). News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 27 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Graham on 24-Apr-2002 12:41 GMT In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous): " In March 2002 Frank placed an order with an Amiga dealer, cleaning out his savings to get an AmigaOne early. He still hasn't received it, and now he's hearing rumours that he won't qualify to run AmigaOS on it at all. What kind of next generation Amiga is this anyway? " Well in this case the rumours are quite clearly a load of bollocks, and why you felt the need to write this part of the hypothetical story is beyond me. AmigaOS4 is being written to run on PPC classic Amigas (not Blizzard because bPlan told DCE to not give information to Hyperion - WTF?!) and the AmigaOne first and foremost. AmigaOS4 will run on the AmigaOne, that is the whole point! Now Amiga Inc need to do something regarding the OS4 rebate offer that they made, and they should have released an update to the AmigaDE Party Pack at some point. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 28 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Budda on 24-Apr-2002 13:43 GMT Well I didn't even know Power Computing were still in the Amiga market! So I guess its a good thing that they're still around watching for the new products. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 29 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by David Scheibler on 24-Apr-2002 13:54 GMT In reply to Comment 27 (Graham): >AmigaOS4 is being written to run on PPC classic Amigas (not Blizzard because >bPlan told DCE to not give information to Hyperion - WTF?!) and the AmigaOne >first and foremost. And DCE says they haven't been talking with Hyperion for 6 months now, but got a letter from Amiga Inc. which says that the Classic PPC boards will not be supported by OS4... News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 30 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by DaveW on 24-Apr-2002 14:17 GMT Thats the last time I buy from Power Computing. I was actually starting to think that they were the only Amiga resellers in the UK staying out of the rows but that hypocritical diatribe was totally out of order. Dave. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 31 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by The truth on 24-Apr-2002 16:23 GMT Hmmn, slagging off Eyetech for rebadging a board they commissioned from another company, but then praising Elbox for being original despite the fact the SharkPPC is just a rebadged Sonnet card. Tony, chalk another customer off. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 32 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Annonymus on 24-Apr-2002 17:01 GMT In reply to Comment 31 (The truth): Tony is a stooge. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 33 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Ralph on 24-Apr-2002 19:29 GMT To me, it is Eyetech who fights for exclusivity to get the highest prices. Those who know the backstage things, know that boards for which Eyetech has collected pre-orders were not designed for Eyetech. Every company can buy them from the manufacturer and sell cheaper than Eyetech. This is why Eyetech talks so much about ROMs which he will not be able to make, anyway. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 34 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Sjoerd on 24-Apr-2002 19:55 GMT In reply to Comment 29 (David Scheibler): >And DCE says they haven't been talking with Hyperion for 6 months now, >but got a letter from Amiga Inc. which says that the Classic PPC boards >will not be supported by OS4... And later they recieved a phone call from Fleecy Moss, 'You must produce PPC boards because we need them a. to develop OS4 b. we need them to sell OS4" Thats is AInc............ News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 35 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 20:56 GMT In reply to Comment 13 (priest): Now we know DCE, Software Hut and Power Computing are just spineless puppets of the 3vil BPLAN EMPIRE! *'arr* News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 36 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 21:14 GMT In reply to Comment 27 (Graham): >(not Blizzard because bPlan told DCE to not give information to Hyperion - WTF?!) Hyperion says they have _heard_ such a thing. Did they ask Mr Dellert, or is it again just a mudslinging contest to malign every company who does business with bplan? :-} News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 37 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 21:16 GMT In reply to Comment 34 (Sjoerd): Hey, now we know where all the PPC boards are gone...DCE couldn't produce new ones, but AInc forced DCE to give some to them for developing OS4! :-D News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 38 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by unclecurio on 24-Apr-2002 21:31 GMT In reply to Comment 25 (George): >Is it just me, or is everyone in the Amiga community on crack ? As you asked, yes. We're all great big crack heads. Why do you ask? News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 39 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Trevor Daley on 24-Apr-2002 23:42 GMT In reply to Comment 9 (amigammc): It doesn't make sence and to me looks like it was written by someone who's native language is not English. If it did indeed come from someone within Power Computing, then why a HotMail address. Sorry, but I don't beleive that this is for real, when I see it posted on Power's web site I will beleive it! Ciao, Trev Daley. News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 40 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by The Editor on 25-Apr-2002 00:43 GMT In reply to Comment 24 (John Block): Thats probably because it was about 7 years ago !! > > Btw ..... The scanner was £250 with PowerScan software!! News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 41 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by AmiTroll on 25-Apr-2002 04:11 GMT In reply to Comment 39 (Trevor Daley): >If it did indeed come from someone within Power Computing, then why a HotMail address. I was waiting for someone to point that out. :) GRUNT News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 42 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by priest on 25-Apr-2002 04:30 GMT In reply to Comment 33 (Ralph): LOL ! News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 43 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Eva on 25-Apr-2002 05:47 GMT In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous): I can't understand this big avversion to a rare amiga oriented company. Here in Italy, At Pianeta Amiga, we saw PowerComputing every years! This precence, passion and soft-hard support COSTS! I never saw here Eyetech or Vesalia in 5 years of Pianeta Amiga. Then the charge on the prices ... this is a free market, right? Everyone can choose where buy product "X". If you thing that Eyetech is good I can say you that I receive a 4000 tower completly damnaged and it's a year that I'm waiting for a new-one :( And onestly, if a company like Microsoft can sell WinXP for 300$ ... At the end a consideration about the actual state of our "market". Bplan Pegasos is complete. MorphOS 1.0 had freezed his developening route and now is in evil debugg and optimization stage. On the other hand while the Aone and AOS 4 was announced two years ago we have a "new" computer that was NOT created by Eyetech and is NOT complete and an operative system that AT THE ACTUAL STAGE is far inferior to MorphOS in native ppc code and in developenig time. Ben Herman told us in November that in febraury they would launch the OS 4, then April, now July ... but, to remain in a realistic world, before September we'll not see anything from Eyetech&Hyperion that can be designed as commercial product. But the hope never die ... (and the blindness too). News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 44 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 06:31 GMT In reply to Comment 43 (Eva): >>If you thing that Eyetech is good I can say you that I receive a 4000 tower completly damnaged and it's a year that I'm waiting for a new-one :( Some mistake I think. Eyetech has NEVER sold A4000 towers. Alan Redhouse Eyetech Group Ltd News from Power Computing Ltd : Comment 45 of 45 ANN.lu Posted by DaveW on 25-Apr-2002 14:26 GMT In reply to Comment 43 (Eva): > But the hope never die ... (and the blindness too). And the FUD too. Or the trying to blacken Eyetechs reputation. Or the trying to destroy the AmigaONE project. Anonymous, there are 45 items in your selection

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