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Posted on 24-Apr-2002 11:18 GMT by Ben Hermans/Hyperion67 comments
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In the last 48 hours interest in the OS 4 screenshots was such that it threatens to overwhelm the server. - 50000 visitors (!) - 9000000 page views - 2.2 million files transfered - 17.67 GB of traffic All within 48 HOURS
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 1 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Kent Seaton on 24-Apr-2002 09:44 GMT
Wow Ben, that's the closest I've seen to another server coming close the one weekend Amiga.org took part in the St. Louis show of 2001. I think it was somewhere into like 58GB of traffic for saturday and sunday alone. I know I don't have the official numbers but damn was that up there.
Cheers!
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Posted by Elwood on 24-Apr-2002 09:56 GMT
Nice idea to report this Ben. It's nice to see there is interest in 4.0
And I think there will be interest in 4.1 twice as much...
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 24-Apr-2002 09:58 GMT
Do you know who the main referer was for most of them? A link must have posted on some non-Amiga news site to get that many hits.
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Posted by john on 24-Apr-2002 10:17 GMT
Hmmm. Ben, you might consider this to be the thin end of the wedge. When you publish the shots of (say) OS4 with Matt Chaputs' Icons, new glyphs on the windows running on the A1G3SE, be afraid, be very afraid. The interest then will be huge.
;~)
Regards
-john
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Posted by Budda on 24-Apr-2002 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (john):
Yeah, when a tarted final "default" AOS4 look comes out i'd definetly pass on the URL to non-AMiga users to spy. I guess many, many others will do the same - making the server traffic go insane, hopefully.....
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 6 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 24-Apr-2002 10:28 GMT
Great number, althought I must admit I visited the site twice :) I hope you have got a bigger server system with the next release of screenshots ;)
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 7 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 24-Apr-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Jon):
Only twice?
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 8 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Viktor Schoeneberg on 24-Apr-2002 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Jon):
Yeah, me too... :o)
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 9 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by A on 24-Apr-2002 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Viktor Schoeneberg):
I think (hope?) he meant 50.000 _unique_ visitors. That kinda statistics are
easily available.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 10 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 24-Apr-2002 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (A):
Hi!
It was 47000-something *unique* visitors. Overall visitors was much higher.
Steffen Haeuser
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 11 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by A.V. on 24-Apr-2002 11:08 GMT
If only half of that people buy OS4....
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (A.V.):
...It would be a miracle. But first we need another miracle, the hardware and software promised in 2000 must arrive.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 13 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Young on 24-Apr-2002 12:31 GMT
Crivens. That's very encouraging - hopefully the sales of OS4.0 will come close to this figure. The screenshots deserved that much interest - they look great.
Chris
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 14 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 24-Apr-2002 12:43 GMT
the power of the name..
the single reason for morphos/bplan make a deal/compromise with hyperion..
good luck to os4..
good luck to morphos
hopeing for os4morph.
take advantage of the publicity people
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Posted by redrumloa on 24-Apr-2002 13:20 GMT
Awesome! Hyperion will definately need to upgrade their server soon:-) These were the first screenshots, imagine the traffic when the final screenshots come out, let alone when OS4.0/AmigaOne starts shipping!
Ben, you do not want the server going down and potential customers getting pissed by "page not available".
Yeah I also remember Amiga.org being brought to it's knees and going down completely after Wayne had something like 200,000 unique visitors in well under 24 hours.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 16 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 24-Apr-2002 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (cheesegrate):
>hopeing for os4morph.
That's a crap name.
We've got
MorphOS
and
OS4
so the simple solution would be
MorphOS4
No one would buy it though since they've never heard of the first 3...
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 17 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 24-Apr-2002 14:19 GMT
50,000 unique visitors, not bad at all. I'll note, I gave the URL to some friends who were curious what OS4 looked like. Pity, from the screenshots, it looks like you're still a year from release. (not saying you are, just saying that the components seen are not enough to convince me on a shorter time of delivery)
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Posted by anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Nathaniel Downes):
Did you exercise your English skills and read the preamble?
It's a sneak peek not a milestone.
Good grief.
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Posted by acg on 24-Apr-2002 16:01 GMT
The screenshots weren't that great, but I visited twice,
and am excited to see OS4 hit the shelves with AmigaONe....
If you could generate 50,000 sales of AOS4 and AmigaONe,
you could be on a roll....
I would like to see someone develop the new AmigaOne into
a standard machine which can handle something like 16-50
video feeds at once for security outfits, think of the market,
shopping malls, hospitals, airports, sports stadiums, etc..
If it becomes a defacto standard, like The toaster did for
a while, you could hog a big share of the market, then you
could "introduce games, etc to the device" and those people
familiar with the machine would buy amigaone for home use...
and then if it runs AmigaDE, they can be associated with any
other platform, format they want...It would be a great way
to bust into the mainstream computing market....
(oooh...wake up, man you're dreaming...)
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 24-Apr-2002 16:25 GMT
> 50000 visitors (!)
> 9000000 page views
> 2.2 million files transfered
> 17.67 GB of traffic
All these numbers tell is that the design of the pages is
not very effective. :)
Oh, and my 030 based A1200 does like 10-15k hits and 1-2GB of traffic every day,
running the UAE board and the demo ADF archive and various, it doesnt seem to
be bothered a bit :)
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 21 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 24-Apr-2002 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
There were around 20 screenshots to look through, so that is why the hitcount is so high, coupled with various other screenshots and html pages. A lot of people looked through more than once (hit recorded even if data not transferred again due to local caching on the browser). Then there were the ~10 thumbnails per page as well..
You saw the pages. Hardly anything complicated there at all. I just wish the pictures had been in .png format for greater clarity.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 22 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 24-Apr-2002 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (A.V.):
That would indeed be great! I also hope that a lot of new users will be among the first buyers because then we can really say that OS 4 has taken off.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 23 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 16:51 GMT
Amazing. Despite acting like a complete arsehole, Ben Hermans
doesn't seem to have discouraged interest in OS4.0 one bit.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 24 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-Apr-2002 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
I'm not out to win any popularity contests you know.
My job is to get the best possible OS 4 to the market.
Anything else is secondary. If I have stepped on some/many toes, so be it.
I'm certainly not going to loose any sleep over it.
I believe my company can stand on its record: we've never sold anything which you were not able to check out before buying and we've always delivered top-notch after sales support for our customers.
That's all that matters to me.
Now if you think I'm a moron, asshole, egomaniac, liar and what have you (just a small sample of the descriptions I've read here), that's fine with me.
I'm not asking you to be my friend or to like me.
Just check out the product, judge it on its merits and then buy it or not.
Anything else is immaterial to me.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 25 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 24-Apr-2002 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"I believe my company can stand on its record: we've never sold anything which you were not able to check out before buying and we've always delivered top-notch after sales support for our customers."
yep customer service is good :) , the other sides customer service :
me : hey !
them : hallo ba ba ho ho
me : i got this ppc yer and its unstable and basically crap , can you fix it , its only like a week old. Else i want my mojo back
them : one moment
ten minutes pass
me : hello ?
phone burrrrrrr
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Posted by Kay Are Ulvestad on 24-Apr-2002 17:28 GMT
:-D 47k unique hits! I suppose some of them could have been counted more than once if
they used a dial-up service with dynamic allocation of IP addresses, but still...
very encouraging! Revival of a self-sustaining Amiga platform might be a pipe dream,
but at least this shows there is still hope. To the OS4 team: Keep up the good work.
You know you have support from the majority of us. :-)
-
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Please, let us all support Amiga developers
and dealers as best we can. I've never heard of a company taking harm from extra sales,
nor have I heard of a person taking harm from some encouragement and approval. People
have a tendency of only speaking up when they have something to complain about. Please
keep in mind that a word of encouragement can make a real difference. :-)
-
Kay
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 27 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by James Whelan on 24-Apr-2002 17:30 GMT
You can't keep a good OS down...
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 28 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-Apr-2002 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Kay Are Ulvestad):
Yes, I'm absolutely amazed at the interest.
Just today I was contacted by somebody working at NASA, somebody from NATO and somebody from the European Union.
All of them sending words of encouragement and offering support.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 29 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by James Whelan on 24-Apr-2002 17:37 GMT
As a matter of interest, how many copies of OS 4.0 will need to be sold in order for further development to be commercially viable?
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 30 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 24-Apr-2002 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
..mindboggling.. :)
What The Name can do when used right.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 31 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-Apr-2002 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (James Whelan):
A few thousand.
We're not in it for the money but at the end of the day, we do need to pay all those external developers a reasonable fee.
I don't believe in slave-labor.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 32 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by The Editor on 24-Apr-2002 17:54 GMT
Easy answer to the Multiple/Unique Visits.
>
>
> start list
>
> I visited ALL pages ONCE
>
> Next person .............
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 33 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 24-Apr-2002 17:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
NASA used to run Amiga4000 it was used
to calculate routes for there rockets back in the days,
this days NASA use a lot of linux and the MIL.
use all-sow a lot of linux, ( WinNT is to unstable :-) )
As i remember they selected Amiga
back in the days because of it's small OS kernel
and the stability factor this brings,
and for it's multitasking.
I do not know if they use Amiga them this days.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 34 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (kjetil):
I also read this in a English Amiga mag. But it
kind of amazed me, that they'd dare running such
critical apps on it. Think about the Gurus.:)
But obviously, this was not a problem.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 35 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 24-Apr-2002 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Doesn't the AmigaOS license say that you can't use it in facilities where failure of the Amiga software can cause material damage, injuries and death?
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 36 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 24-Apr-2002 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Johan "Graak" Forsberg):
NO idear.
but im sure a game of QW could :)
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 37 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 24-Apr-2002 19:12 GMT
I've owned an amiga1200T for a few years now.
I've always been amazed with the Amiga's multitasking abilities, and it's speed.
Most of all, to me, the Amiga was just "FUN". Plain and simple.
But, my 1200 was fried.
Mainly because of, I think, Haage and Partner's solution to the ide hard drive interface.
I had a terrible time with everything after OS 3.1
Wasted about 4 ide hard drives trying to figure it out... never did.
Hacks for this, and hacks for that.
It just got to the point where it was not fun anymore.
So, I shipped it to my brother in Louisiana, just to get it out of my hair.
Another matter was the video scanmodes, that plagued the Amiga for all these years.
Truth is... Junk!!!
Scandoublers... Clip this wire over that chip, put this wire there.... It never ended.
The Amiga was totaly being destroyed, and I for one, was glad to send it down the road.
Now, many who claim to be Amigans, are really PC folks running through emulation.
A very poor argument indeed of being an Amiga owner, or an amigan.
Now, comes Bill McEwen and Hyperion.
The only hope for the salvation of the Amiga if you ask me.
I will sit back and watch.
I will read serious opinion polls, just to see what Amiga has done to the new system.
And if all goes well, I will surely get back on board with the new Amiga.
Especially with the promise of Memory Management.
This is the first time that I, as a REAL Amiga user, actually have real hope in the future of Amiga.
I looked at the new screen shots, and they were breathtaking to me.
A ppc REAL Amiga.
Wonderful!!!
I hope that the time of HACKS are over!!!
A real video card that will actually run a standard monitor without the need for clips on chips.
A real IDE interface that I do not have to worry about destroying my Hard Drives.
Memory Management!!!
My only concerns are this...
1) In the screen shots, I saw the dreaded Chip Memory limitation still in tact.
That's what it looked like, anyway.
2) Broad Band DSL!!!! Speedtouch (USB) (PCI)!!! Cable modems!!!! Got to be addressed quickly.
Who uses normal modems anymore???
3) 3rd Party Support!!! ( This is the tough one )
After saying all this...
I would like to thank Bill and Hyperion for all thier hard work, on an OS that is well worth saving.
Great Job guys.
And don't let these emulation "Amigans" down ya.
They wouldn't know what an Amiga was, if it slapped em.
There are plenty of REAL Amigans, who are waiting in the wings for something REAL!
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 19:57 GMT
Imagine the Bandwidth...if those screenshots would have been grabbed from 1280*1024 or even 1600*1200 resolution and jpg detail would have been good! Let's say about 3-400kB each picture instead about 80kB :P
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 39 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 24-Apr-2002 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Brad Ray):
@Brad:
I still use a modem... some people have no choice living in villages (at least in the UK) ! Judging by the speed at which USB drivers are appearing, I doubt it will be long before the required USB DSL modem driver turns up. Alternativly - can you not just plug a cable into your machines ethernet card?
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Posted by chris young on 24-Apr-2002 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Brad Ray):
> 1) In the screen shots, I saw the dreaded Chip Memory limitation still in tact.
> That's what it looked like, anyway.
OS4 is being developed on A4000s or A1200s with PPC accelerators. These machines have a chip RAM limitation as they have AGA. The chip RAM limit will not affect machines with graphcs cards, the AmigaOne etc. It is no more a limit than the memory on modern gfx cards anyway - in fact less so, as it can be used for things other than graphics.
> Who uses normal modems anymore???
Lots of people. I do, for one. There's no broadband available in my area even if I did want it (or, more accurately, even if I could afford it, which I can't)
3) 3rd Party Support!!! ( This is the tough one )
Yep, this is the major problem - but OS4 and the AmigaOne seems to be attracting a lot of interest from people outside the traditional Amiga community, so there is a possibility that we might get some non-Amiga companies porting their software over to OS4.
Chris
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Posted by tinman on 24-Apr-2002 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (cOrpse):
You wouldn't get customer support from anyone if you spoke to them like that, chances are the person on the other end of the phone isn't even the one you need to speak to.
Or a more likely reason would be they specifically ignore you.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 42 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 24-Apr-2002 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Brad Ray):
Just for the record I use my current Amiga 3000 with broadband(DSL) daily on a PCI ethernet card attached to a router. Very easy to set up!
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Posted by NeRP on 25-Apr-2002 06:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (redrumloa):
Heheheh, I was going to say it if you didn't ;)
My 2 miggies like their DSL...
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Posted by Kjetil on 25-Apr-2002 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
> Think about the Gurus.:)
Gurus will only appear if make an error in your source code,
If you use AmigaDos not WB, you limit the number of potential GURUS, by only running will tested NASA programmes, and not Aminet freeware/beta software.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 45 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 25-Apr-2002 06:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Bah, you wouldn't score very high on either rudeness or sarcasm on Olegil's scale. Maybe a 3.5? Some of the worst postings I have ever seen was actually pointed _against_ you, which to me says a bit about who should be lying awake at night. Keep the OS coming, man. And don't mind our toes, they have been stepped on by greater men than you ;)
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Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 25-Apr-2002 06:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Alkemyst):
Yeah, when you smash your computer to pieces and throw yourself out of the window when losing against me, then it would.. =)
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 47 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Apr-2002 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Brad Ray):
"I hope that the time of HACKS are over!!!
A real video card that will actually run a standard monitor without the need for clips on
chips.
A real IDE interface that I do not have to worry about destroying my
Hard Drives. "
These hacks that bother you are the result of your buying the wrong
Amiga. If you want to install graphics cards, extra drives, etc you
need an A4000 or A4000T, not an A1200. The A1200 was designed as a
budget model with limited expansion.
The AmigaOne is a standard motherboard with slots, as used in the
A2000, A3000 and A4000 Amigas.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 48 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 25-Apr-2002 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Johan "Graak" Forsberg):
Any product, no matter what it is FOR, has that clause in the license. That's basically to cover your ass so that if someone uses your product for something it wasn't tested you can't complain back to YOU about it. On the other hand, ultrasound scanners for medical use used to have 68040's with vxWorks communicating with a 68040 mac running matlab or similar programs. Nowadays they use w2k, because (and this is a direct quote from an engineer at vingmed ultrasound) "our customers use windows and don't know there are alternatives, so we have to, or they wouldn't take us seriously". This change came when they stopped making pure hardware scanners and started putting more of the bits into software. So they can't use linux, they have to base it around w2k. For something that is used while operating on your brain or heart. Remind me not to get sick, eh?
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 49 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Brad Ray):
>I hope that the time of HACKS are over!!!
>A real video card that will actually run a standard monitor without the need for clips on chips.
>A real IDE interface that I do not have to worry about destroying my Hard Drives.
Hacks are good for you :)
But seriously:
I run a voodoo3 2000 PCI at 1600x1200, 24-32bit in my 1200. On a 21" standard monitor. And I never had any problem with the ide interface, in fact I run a 40GB Fujitsu off of it.
It's too easy to just blame everything on H&P or something, you know.
Interest for OS 4 screenshots staggering : Comment 50 of 67ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 25-Apr-2002 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Johan "Graak" Forsberg):
:)
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