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[News] AFUA visited Thendic-FranceANN.lu
Posted on 24-Apr-2002 15:30 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä629 comments
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The French Amiga user group AFUA visited the Thendic-France headquarters and met with Bill Buck and the Coyote Flux guys. Read their report here.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 1 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 13:54 GMT
Very interesting. Nice to see they're making progress =)
I couldnt download the Matrix DivX but I'm sure its very good.
Why do they have a C64 sitting on the table next to the A1200 and A600...?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 2 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by justin on 24-Apr-2002 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Why do they have a A1200 and A600 on their desk? If the 1200 has a blizzPPC in it (and if the MOS team has the developer docs ;-)) they might have MOS running on it, but on the 600... no way! I think they just bot out all the computers they had in the closet (or elsewhere) and put them on the desk.
I'm a bit worried about MorphOS though. They still don't seem to have their own desktop environment.
Justin
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 3 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by themoose on 24-Apr-2002 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
>Why do they have a C64 sitting on the table next to the A1200 and A600...?
Because they rock?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 4 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 24-Apr-2002 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (themoose):
as in "stone age"? :)
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 5 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 24-Apr-2002 15:08 GMT
> It will have an amazing graphic chip which can be compared to something like the
> Copper but a lot better ;). It'll also feature AGA emulation and so will be able
> to run existing AGA Amiga software
I'll believe this when I see it. Maybe they have licenced the work that Mick Tinker did?
I think that once they have delivered the Pegasos into peoples hands - then they can start talking about future projects and capabilities, but at the moment it is all very iWin.
Graham
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 6 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 24-Apr-2002 15:34 GMT
In Image3, why do "they" use a separate PCI network card ? Does the builtin one lack suitable driver ?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 7 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rafo):
Hello,
Maybe, they still have an old version of MorphOS and of the Motherboard so that'll not be surprising if there is no driver for the internal Ethernet in their MorphOS.
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 8 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (justin):
Hello,
Don't be worried, as i've written, this is an old MorphOS version and the MorphOS Team is working to make most if not all the GUI parts running natively and with some great improvements. Just wait until June to see the retail version of MorphOS running on the retail Pegasos.
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 9 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 24-Apr-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Hmm.. why do I have a A2000, CDTV, CD32 ,A4000, Schneider/Amstrad CPC on my Desktop?
Right.. it´s fun in Computing!
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 10 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (justin):
Hello,
People at Thendic-France are Amiga and Commodore fans for a long time particularly the Coyote Flux guys, so don't be surprised if they have A1200, A600 and A4000 on their desks ;-)
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 11 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 24-Apr-2002 16:12 GMT
WOW! It can play DivX movies? It can run CandyFactory? It will be just as customizable as the original Workbench? It will even feature custom graphics chips like AGA but better? Damn, I'm impressed! These guys are really making progress!
I'm sorry, that was lame, I know. I just couldn't help myself when I saw how easy it is to impress those guys. I mean, beeing able to play DivX movies isn't really an impressive feature, you know...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 12 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by chesegrate on 24-Apr-2002 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Samface):
>I'm sorry, that was lame, I know. I just couldn't help myself when I saw how >.easy it is to impress those guys. I mean, beeing able to play DivX movies isn't >really an impressive feature, you know...
yeah esp on a new kernal that has implemented aos compability is ppc native format.. not impressive at all and they only did it 12 months b4 anyone else.. a
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 13 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Jane on 24-Apr-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Samface):
Hey there.. are you still wowed and amazed and of course excited by the OS4 screenshots?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 14 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 24-Apr-2002 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (chesegrate):
Still, that's not what impressed those guys, those are not the features that they wow'ed at. You see, they were impressed by the amount of Amiga's on their desk and the fact that they could watch Matrix on the Pegasos in DivX format (a bit jerky though but, nevertheless). That's not impressive to me considering it's only a matter of running someone else software, created through the hard work of someone else. Respect goes to the Softcinema authors which accomplished this on the real classic AmigaOS + Phase5 PPC hardware. It's not a MorphOS or Pegasos feature, like these guys seem to think.
And yes, I'm still impressed by the *functionality* the AmigaOS4 team has already implemented into intuition in a vast amount of less time than the MorphOS team. It's far from what was even planned for it from the start, and they're not even done yet. I can hardly wait for the second round of screenshots. :-)))
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 15 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 24-Apr-2002 17:25 GMT
"The picture below is a screenshot of Quake 2 Beta running on a Voodoo3 on an Amiga 4000. This game run perfectly well and show that we can expect all the game we want in the future on the Pegasos (Of course for games that will be available ;) )"
Either they`ve started a port themselves or their showing off the old beta by "HYPERION" believe or not ;) and come on whats to show off ? that ran fine on my aos3.9 040/25 603e/240mhz blizzard vision , proves morphos really is usless ;).
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 16 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 24-Apr-2002 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Samface):
Your comments are not really interesting I must say.
Time after time its just about the same thing, looking
for possible angles to attack the MOS team which you have
some kind of personal hatred against. YES, WE KNOW YOU HATE THEM
Do you feel better now ? WE UNDERSTAND.
Pherhaps youre just doing it because there are those from
the other side doing the same thing ? Just be better than that.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 17 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Samface):
Hello,
I'm impressed by the misinterpretation you've made of my report ;-)
Of course i'm not impressed by the DivX as it's a G3 CPU even if DiVx don't play correctly on my classic Amiga. The workbench in the Thendic's Pegasos is simply the Workbench 3.9 of AmigaOS 3.9 and not what you'll be able to see in the retail version of MorphOS. As i said, the MorphOS which is at Thendic-France is quite old and with a lot of debugging options turned off.
The DivX movie was just to show you a brief idea of what you can expect as playing DivX movies require at least P2 at 400Mhz on PCs or G3 at 400/500Mhz on Macs. Thanks to the Softcinema author who made a MorphOS version it'll be possible to watch DivX encoded movies at full speed on the Pegasos.
CandyFactory Pro give also a good idea of the speed. Of course the best manner to judge the OS and Pegasos performances will be in daily uses but as i just visited Thendic-France i can't use the Pegasos daily ;)
The speed given by the G3 or G4 will be welcome anyway in the future because 040 or 060 Amigas are very slow for some stuffs like graphics manipulation, Pagestream...etc And the Pegasos will offer directly G3 and G4 choice when it'll be available and can be easily upgraded. MorphOS is a very good OS, i use it everyday on my PPC Amiga and i must say that it works very well (but slower than with the Pegasos ;) ). And as i've written in the report most of the GUI parts if not all will be native and with some great new features in the retail version.
Bye
--
Bertrand PRESLES
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 18 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 24-Apr-2002 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Leif):
"personal hatred against" no its called rip off bastards coming for a second round !
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 19 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Frodon):
Hello again,
Sorry it's: a lot of debugging options turned ON and not off ;)
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 20 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 24-Apr-2002 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Frodon):
"The DivX movie was just to show you a brief idea of what you can expect as playing DivX movies require at least P2 at 400Mhz on PCs or G3 at 400/500Mhz on Macs." Really it isn`t that impressive at all , i`ve had divx`s playing on softcinema on my classic(ppc) and i`ve watched them on 333 pc`s , it isn`t really that great.
Whats really great is the dev version of morphos thats so great no ones seen it, .
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 21 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 24-Apr-2002 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (cOrpse):
Same goes for you... dead body.
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Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Frodon):
Hello,
About the OS 4 improvements: In one word: not so impressive. And as AmigaOS 4.0 isn't available and as MorphOS isn't available we can't judge the GUI improvements of this OSes actually. Wait for their availability to judge.
For MorphOS it's very soon. For AmigaOS 4.0 I don't know...
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 23 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (cOrpse):
Hello,
you said:
"Really it isn`t that impressive at all , i`ve had divx`s playing on softcinema on my classic(ppc) and i`ve watched them on 333 pc`s , it isn`t really that great."
Are you blind??? Did i say that it's impressive??? NO! It's NORMAL.
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 24 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 24-Apr-2002 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (cOrpse):
The "rip-off" was done by the Phase5-management
(none off them came exactly rich out of the P5-
bankrucy).
Some of the guys in charge at bPlan are former
P5-EMPLOYEES and not part of the management.
So Dave Haynie was part of C= when it went belly-
up and therefore should not be allowed to work
in any Amiga-related company afterwards ? Is that
what are you suggesting ?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 25 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 17:51 GMT
Morphos suck for one reason, they are doing work Hyperion is doing.
And NO it doesn't matter they started porting stuff to PPC first. What does matter is who owns the rights. So, if you want to support Amiga go for AmigaOS. If you want to support other OSes, that be Amiga compatible or not, do it please. But please stop pretending MorphOS suddenly will take over as AmigaOS. It won't.
Morphos is as interesting as BeOS, QNX, Windows or your Unix flavour of choice for me. Get over it.
You might call me a sheep for following Amiga with blindfolds but I'm not. I just like thepath they've chosen and I admire them for trying to migrate classic AmigaOS to PPC and forward. And besides I prefer being an Amiga sheep than a Morphos sheep.
Sure, Morphos sounded like a good plan when it first was introduced, and if it hadn't been for Amigas decision to port their OS to PPC I might even go for it.
But since things have changed, it's time to realise the fact that Morphos in it's current form is just a waste of time and a massive egotrip from people that couldn't get exactly what they wanted when they wanted.
And no, I'm in no way affiliated with any of the Companies developing AmigaOS.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 26 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Hello,
You said:
"And NO it doesn't matter they started porting stuff to PPC first. What does matter is who owns the rights. So, if you want to support Amiga go for AmigaOS. If you want to support other OSes, that be Amiga compatible or not, do it please. But please stop pretending MorphOS suddenly will take over as AmigaOS. It won't."
Personally I don't want to support the name Amiga, I want to support the Amiga spirit, that's to say, the Amiga as it should be. And i see more an Amiga spirit in MorphOS than in AmigaOS 4.0 for now.
If one day Microsoft buy Amiga name and rights and then make a new version of AmigaOS based on Windows but with a GUI which look like AmigaOS to try to fool the Amiga users, will you buy it because it owns the name? Or will you prefer an alternative project that is more like the AmigaOS as you expect it to become?
It was a little example to show that the rights owner doesn't matter so much.
I don't pretend that MorphOS will take over as AmigaOS. It's an OS that has an Amiga spirit in my mind. And nobody can say if it take over as AmigaOS or not. We will know that only in the future. Except if you are god, but i don't think so ;)
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 27 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 24-Apr-2002 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
---snip---
Morphos suck for one reason, they are doing work Hyperion is doing.
And NO it doesn't matter they started porting stuff to PPC first. What does matter is who owns the rights. So, if you want to support Amiga go for AmigaOS. If you want to support other OSes, that be Amiga compatible or not, do it please. But please stop pretending MorphOS suddenly will take over as AmigaOS. It won't.
---snip---
Who is pretending ? Who is dreaming up scenarios not existing ?
---snip---
Morphos is as interesting as BeOS, QNX, Windows or your Unix flavour of choice for me. Get over it.
---snip---
Its a little more interesting than that.
It does run Amiga apps, its made by longtime Amigans, its pretty
much what one expects from a nextgen AmigaOS. Its just not
AmigaOS from a legal point of view.
---snip---
You might call me a sheep for following Amiga with blindfolds but I'm not. I just like thepath they've chosen and I admire them for trying to migrate classic AmigaOS to PPC and forward. And besides I prefer being an Amiga sheep than a Morphos sheep.
---snip---
Well, Im not a cheep, I'll use both if I can.
Leif
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 28 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 24-Apr-2002 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
>But please stop pretending MorphOS suddenly will take over as AmigaOS. It
> won't.
We'll see about it's role when it's released.
>Morphos is as interesting as BeOS, QNX, Windows or your Unix flavour o
>choice for me. Get over it.
Oh, YOU think that? That really hurts...
>and I admire them for trying to migrate classic AmigaOS to PPC and forward.
Oh, yes, very admirable. But I always seem to admire those who were first the most.
>But since things have changed, it's time to realise the fact that Morphos
>in it's current form is just a waste of time and a massive egotrip from
>people that couldn't get exactly what they wanted when they wanted.
Egotrip? Morphos was a big step for "Amiga" (At least it could be). Amiga Inc have seen this, and Morphos COULD have become the new official AmigaOS. Either if Morphos was released as the only PPC OS on amiga or if Morphos was released as the official AmigaOS for PPC, YOU would have been SO thankful. But instead, Amiga starts a race against Morphos and you turn your back instead. How ironic.
Yes, you're definately a sheep. If you were a sheep I'd be really concerned about you. Because they would have an enourmous influence on the likes of you. You can call it an egotrip, but get real; If someone has spent x years on developing something, of course they won't just STOP without a fight!
(I don't know the details of the story, this is just how I see it)
Illegal != Morally wrong. That's one of the reasons why laws are changed.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 29 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 24-Apr-2002 18:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (cOrpse):
>Either they`ve started a port themselves or their showing off the old beta
>by "HYPERION" believe or not ;) and come on whats to show off ? that ran fine
>on my aos3.9 040/25 603e/240mhz blizzard vision , proves morphos really is
>usless ;).
Oh what GFX card and which resolution were you using...?
;)
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 30 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 24-Apr-2002 19:07 GMT
I'm really not a pro MOS nor pro AOS fan. I like to keep my mind open for both os's and judge them only after they are ready and I can test them myself before making any kind of technical comments about them.
However I think it's fucking funny how there seem to be these motherfuckers who piss me off just by mouthing off at eachother because they don't like the other os development. If you dont like it, then why the fuck are you even reading news and postings of the subject you hate!?!? Not to mention commenting on it everytime there is chance when everyone already knows what your pussyhair infested mouth's are gonna say. If your an AOS fan but HATE MOS, FUCK OFF and go reading AOS news. The same goes for diehard MOS campers.
Funny how when there was no PPC native OS amiga development going on and AI was sitting on their thumbs up their asses, everybody was saying positive things about MOS. Now that Hyperion are doing OS4 some ppl think the MOS project is the most terrible thing ever happened to amiga (or then they just hate it cause it's not called "amiga"OS)
I'm looking forward seeing both these products, and on the contrary some people think, I believe it's good to have competition because then we will at least see them trying to improve their OS's over the other. Look at what we had with os3.5 and 3.9. Sure they were nice but minor improvements and some more colourful icons really isn't what we need. We need modernized os's and both MOS and AOS can give that now, thru competing eachother. By judging the numbers of interested buyers in recent polls, both OS's will gain enough supporters to sustain themselves without killing eachother out. (at least not right on the start)
So what are we afraid for? Live and let live, and lets see what the future brings. These OS wars piss me off more than my GF when she's on her periods!
(now I'm ready to get insults from both MOS and AOS camps ;)
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 31 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 24-Apr-2002 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (David Scheibler):
>We can notice that it fits perfectly on an ATX tower and we can recognise the impressive standard connectivities included by default.
whats impressive about something standard ? :)
tech stuff stops being impressive when its standard....even the A1 have this
marvelous impressive stuff....and X86 mobos for years....
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 32 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 24-Apr-2002 19:31 GMT
>Finaly you can watch a little movie showing Matrix running on SoftCinema on MorphOS (You can download it and see it with Action, Moovid or SoftCinema).
can someone give me that link ? i dont see it....(the maxtrix divx file)
so the pegasos hardware and morphos software are pirating movies even before its
for sale :)
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Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 19:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (catohagen):
Hello,
No it's just a part of the Matrix trailer. So perfectly legal!
The movie downloadable is encoded in Quicktime Cinepak because it had been taken with my digital photo camera that can take Quicktime movies ;)
Here the direct link: http://home.t-online.de/home/amiga-news/Images/Matrix.mov
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 34 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 24-Apr-2002 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (catohagen):
..Yeah, they must be *evil*..
Starting the MorphOS project must have been *evil* too,
they had it all figured out before they started.
"Lets make this system compatible with AmigaOS so
we can steal users from the real AmigaOS when it comes out.
But first : lets sacrifice some chickens to the evil one.
We want to be able to create the PowerUP, that H&P then will
make their own version of (we know this from looking into a
magic ball), then we have reached the goal of creating
problems for Amigas PPC migration to PPC.
We pray to the fallen one to make RS:s social skills
less appealing, this way people will start feeling hatred
towards us *as a company*, with the slow killing of Amiga
as the end result."
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 35 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 19:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (catohagen):
Hello,
About the standard interfaces included by default. There are more interfaces included than on the A1. Judge by yourself:
Pegasos: 10/100Mbit Ethernet, Firewire (3 connectors), USB (4 connectors), IRDA, Audio outputs and inputs, PS/2 (mouse and keyboard), Serial port, Parrallele port, Joystick connector.
A1: USB (4 connectors), Serial, parallele, PS/2 (mouse and keyboard), Audio inputs/outputs
And personally i'm a firewire fan so... ;)))
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 36 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 19:51 GMT
Hello again,
I forgot, there is also Ethernet 10/100Mbits on the A1. Sorry.
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 37 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 24-Apr-2002 19:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Frodon):
Dont forget that the Pegasos looks alot prettier :)
Not that it should affect performance, but atleast
the designer have some kind of feeling for placement.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 38 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Paul on 24-Apr-2002 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Frodon):
We'll forgive you.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 39 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Leif):
hello,
Yes and the Pegasos offer also a modular CPU design that is to say the CPU is on a module board. And so G3 to Bi G4 modules will be available when Pegasos is out (in June normally).
The AmigaOne currently offer only a soldered G3 600MHz. For some stuff like digital video, it's not enough powerfull to make realtime effects.
Of course for most of users it's enough. But not for all the users.
So for some users the Pegasos will be the only possible choice to make what they want (3D graphics, Digital video...).
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 40 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 24-Apr-2002 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Frodon):
>Pegasos: 10/100Mbit Ethernet, Firewire (3 connectors), USB (4 connectors), IRDA, >Audio outputs and inputs, PS/2 (mouse and keyboard), Serial port, Parrallele >port, Joystick connector.
>A1: USB (4 connectors), Serial, parallele, PS/2 (mouse and keyboard), Audio >inputs/outputs
>And personally i'm a firewire fan so... ;)))
just a quick visit to eyetech site :
In summary the AmigaOneG3-SE will come with:
o 4 x PCI slots + 1 x AGP slot on 2 buses
o 10/100Mbps ethernet
o 2 x USB connectors + 2 more on headers
o 2 x UDMA 100 channels (4 devices)
o Open firmware-compatible BIOS with OS4.0 extensions & NV memory
o PS2 mouse & keyboard connectors
o Sound, modem & gameport I/O via the AMR header
o Parallel, serial & floppy (PC FDD controller) connectors
o Real time clock
o 2 x SDRAM sockets for up to 2 GB of main memory
so you 'left' out 10/100Mbps ethernet, modem & gameport I/O...
and personally i'm a modem fan so... ;))) (joke)
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 41 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 24-Apr-2002 20:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (catohagen):
The AmigaOne also has IRDA header on board, although, like on PCs, using it will disable one of the serial ports I imagine.
But it is there.
However I would rather see some of the connectors on PC motherboards that allow you to directly connect flash cards like SD/MMC card, smartmedia and memory stick via a 3.5" bay adapter. One PC motherboard is shipping with a smartcard reader interface. I think these are simple LPC or I2C based busses, so it might only be a matter of sticking a small chip on the motherboard, and the headers...
Graham
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Posted by catohagen on 24-Apr-2002 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (catohagen):
>Yes and the Pegasos offer also a modular CPU design that is to say the CPU is on a module board. And so G3 to Bi G4 modules will be available when Pegasos is out (in June normally).
is it confirmed that both G3 and dual(bi?)G4 modules will be available at the release date ? Also since only a 600mhz G3 Pegasos is available as preorder now,
will bplan take back your G3 module and sell you a G4 module ?
Would be a plus if this was possible....A1 owners need to replace the whole
machine for a G4 model later if needed...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 43 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (catohagen):
Hello,
So ok here the specs of the AmigaOne and the Pegasos so people we'll be able to compare:
AmigaOne G3-SE:
o 4 x PCI slots + 1 x AGP slot on 2 buses
o 10/100Mbps ethernet
o 2 x USB connectors + 2 more on headers
o 2 x UDMA 100 channels (4 devices)
o Open firmware-compatible BIOS with OS4.0 extensions & NV memory
o PS2 mouse & keyboard connectors
o Sound, modem & gameport I/O via the AMR header
o Parallel, serial & floppy (PC FDD controller) connectors
o Real time clock
o 2 x SDRAM sockets for up to 2 GB of main memory
Pegasos:
o microATX mainboard (236 mm x 172 mm)
o 133 MHz processor slot
o 600 MHz PowerPC G3 750 CXe upto Dual PowerPC G4 MPC 7450
o PC133 RAM (two sockets), upto 2 GB
o AGP slot (2x)
o PCI subsystem with three slots, optional Riser Card
o IEEE1394 (Firewire) VIA VT6306 with 100/200/400 MBit data transfer
o 10/100 MBit Realtek Phyceiver 8201 Ethernet
o USB I/O system VIA 8231 with four connectors
o AC97 sound subsystem Sigmatel STAC 9766 Codec with mic input, line in/out and headset connector
o IRDA for infra-red remote control
o ATA100 VIA 8231 with two channels for upto four ATA devices
o PS/2 keyboard connector
o PS/2 mouse connector
o RS232 (serial) port
o Centronics port
o Floppy
o Gameport for PC-compatible joysticks
Bye
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Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (catohagen):
Hello,
>Is it confirmed that both G3 and dual(bi?)G4 modules will be available at the >release date ?
Normally yes, but i can't say it certainly as i'm not a BPlan employee ;)
>Also since only a 600mhz G3 Pegasos is available as preorder now,
>will bplan take back your G3 module and sell you a G4 module ?
I don't know how the preorders work. I think the preorders are in the responsability of the resellers who have putted this offers. So the possibility of upgrade to a G4 module have to be seen with the resellers i think.
Bye
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Posted by tinman on 24-Apr-2002 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Frodon):
But they still can't compare as you left some stuff out. or does the A1 really come without a CPU ;)
Also if you're going to do this, best to be impartial or you'll create 100+ comments by the losers around here (for example, you make the A1 list shorted by having three items in one line, whereas they get one line each in the Pegasos specs). For the same said losers, who also have an inability to read, they'll only see the A1 list being shorter and have some fits.
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Posted by Alan M Redhouise on 24-Apr-2002 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Frodon):
>>About the standard interfaces included by default. There are more interfaces included than on the A1. Judge by yourself:
>>Pegasos: 10/100Mbit Ethernet, Firewire (3 connectors), USB (4 connectors), IRDA, Audio outputs and inputs, PS/2 (mouse and keyboard), Serial port, Parrallele port, Joystick connector.
>>A1: USB (4 connectors), Serial, parallele, PS/2 (mouse and keyboard), Audio inputs/outputs
FYI
A1: 10/100 ethernet; 4 x USB; 2 x serial ports; 1 x parallel port; IRDA; audio outputs and inputs; PS2 (mouse & keyboard); Joystick connector; 4 x PCI; AGP.
(IMO a second serial port and an extra PCI slot is more useful than built-in firewire particularly as 4-port firewire cards are only about USD15 for those who need them)
(Plus Amiga Inc certification/licence fee paid & required OS4 piracy protection incorporated - but only relevant if you are ever interested in running OS4)
Alan
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Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Alan M Redhouise):
Hello alan ;-)
I respect your opinion of course. Personally i've also a Mac which as no serial or parallele port and i've to say that's i don't need them as now all things are in USB or Firewire. About the additional PCI, in fact that depend and what you should add. Personally i don't see what i should add to an A1 or a Pegasos except a Firewire card for the A1, a TV card for the both and a SCSI card for the both.
But anyway. i'm talking about the hardware only. Of course if BPlan get a licence for OS 4 it would be better. I prefer the Pegasos for its hardware, i can't compare MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 as i've never seen AmigaOS 4. I'd really be glad to have the choice between the both and so that the OS 4 to be available on the Pegasos too. But if not never mind. I buy first a computer so an hardware.
Bye
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Apr-2002 21:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (cOrpse):
Excuse me but that version surely did NOT run fine, i can assure you:)))
The latest versions run just fine...
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Posted by Tony Gore on 24-Apr-2002 22:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (catohagen):
"Would be a plus if this was possible....A1 owners need to replace the whole
machine for a G4 model later if needed..."
Well, not the _whole_ machine. Just the motherboard/cpu part. And that will probably cost no more than what bPlan charge for the "G4 CPU Card" if their pricing follows their heritage (not saying it will, and I hope it don't). By the time G4 support is fully implimented into OS4 (altivec stuff) there should be the Artica P chip which allows AGP4X modes, so AOne boards with G4's should also include AGP4X which would be useful in a motherboard upgrade anyways. Alot of us are stuck in the "wintel upgrade spiral" anyhow, so if I'm going to have to buy a new board every year or so, I would rather it be Amiga based hardware than Wintel.
To be quite honest, (even though I don't really care for RS and crew) I was excited to see the Pegasos coming along. I really do wish both sides would come up with a reasonalbe solution to this thing. The Pegasos looks like a good board, and honestly, I would probably buy it first just for the flexability. But I'm not going to throw away money on something that is not going to run what I want to use. If that means I have to buy AmigaOne to run OS4, then that's what I'll do, and I'll upgrade it when my needs increase or features of the next A1 meet a certain level. It's as simple as that.
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Posted by Graham on 24-Apr-2002 22:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Tony Gore):
I agree on both your points.
Although I am not troubled by the wintel upgrade cycle as I don't use windows, and thus I don't need greater CPU for each upgrade.
Games are always requiring more CPU power and graphics card power however, and these are the driving force in the PC upgrade market. And hopefully they will drive a future Amiga upgrade market...
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