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[News] AFUA visited Thendic-FranceANN.lu
Posted on 24-Apr-2002 15:30 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä629 comments
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The French Amiga user group AFUA visited the Thendic-France headquarters and met with Bill Buck and the Coyote Flux guys. Read their report here.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 51 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 24-Apr-2002 22:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Tony Gore):
Hello,
You said:
"But I'm not going to throw away money on something that is not going to run what I want to use. If that means I have to buy AmigaOne to run OS4, then that's what I'll do, and I'll upgrade it when my needs increase or features of the next A1 meet a certain level. It's as simple as that. "
How do you know that you want to use AmigaOS 4.0??? Have you ever seen it running? ;-)) (i'm kidding ;) )
Anyway, personally i won't buy an AmigaOne or AmigaOS 4.x compatible motherboard until i see AmigaOS 4.0 running and so until i could evaluate AmigaOS 4 to know if i really want/need it. So i have already seen MorphOS running and i use it every day on my PPC Amiga, so i know that it works really well. That's why i'll buy a Pegasos first because MorphOS will be available for this computer at the time the computer will be realised.
AmigaOS 4.0 for AmigaOne is not yet available and even the kernel is not yet ready (I know that from a very sure source). It'll take month to adapt and debug AmigaOS 4.0 for AmigaOne, i'll have time to see first if it'll support the Pegasos too and second if it's really interesting and so if i should buy an AmigaOne (if Pegasos will not be supported). I'm fed up to wait for a new Amiga compatible computer so i'll take the first that come to the market with an Amiga compatible OS, and if it's not the best i'll buy the other when it's available.
It seems today that the first to come is the Pegasos with MorphOS, so...
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 52 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 23:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Alan M Redhouise):
Ok, Mr Redhouise...
>IMO a second serial port and an extra PCI slot is more useful than built-in
>firewire particularly as 4-port firewire cards are only about USD15 for those
>who need them)
For what do you need a second serial port? I have my modem connected to a serial
port, but I'm using DSL 99% of the time. Pegasos and AmigaOne have both onboard
modem, so the serial ports stay free.
The firewire cards are not 15USD, but ~40EUR, period.
>(Plus Amiga Inc certification/licence fee paid
I thought AInc mentioned hardware certification etc. were to be free?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 53 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 23:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (justin):
>They still don't seem to have their own desktop environment.
The original plan was to have a WB replacement by the end of 2002.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 54 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 23:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Graham):
>> It will have an amazing graphic chip which can be compared to something like the
>> Copper but a lot better ;). It'll also feature AGA emulation and so will be able
>> to run existing AGA Amiga software
>I'll believe this when I see it. Maybe they have licenced the work that Mick Tinker did?
Maybe they secretly finished the work done for the 64Bit Caipirinha DLRP with 200MHz UMA?
:-D
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 55 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 23:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rafo):
>In Image3, why do "they" use a separate PCI network card ?
Maybe it's a gigabit ethernet card?
Just dreaming...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 56 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 23:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Kronos):
>Some of the guys in charge at bPlan are former
>P5-EMPLOYEES and not part of the management.
*cough* *cough* *harrumph*
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 57 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Apr-2002 23:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Tony Gore):
>And that will probably cost no more than what bPlan charge for the "G4 CPU Card"
>if their pricing follows their heritage (not saying it will, and I hope it don't)
WTF are you talking about?? Last time I checked, the AmigaOne+OS4 was around 15%
more expensive than Pegasos in Yurop. For the difference of 127EUR one could get
a nice G4 "upgrade". Not sure if bplan is offering single G4 systems, but maybe
they could design this dualcpucard to be able to work with just one G4 soldered
on (and the possibility to buy a second one later?)...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 58 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 25-Apr-2002 00:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
> Not sure if bplan is offering single G4 systems, but maybe
> they could design this dualcpucard to be able to work with just one G4 soldered
> on (and the possibility to buy a second one later?)...
Heh, to get your second G4 CPU, please mail your CPU card to DCE...
I wonder how many people will be rushing to take that offer up.
Anyway, I thought that G4 processors cost more than that. A decent (>900MHz) G4 is around $200 to $300 isn't it? So an upgrade card would cost around $300 - $400 for a single G4?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 59 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 25-Apr-2002 01:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Frodon):
>And personally i'm a firewire fan so... ;)))
indeed, and motion studio for morphos looks nice ; let's hope the morph kids implement low level firewire driver and dv codec for vid edditing.
support of firewire hardrives would be good too..
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 60 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 25-Apr-2002 01:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Graham):
@graham
no one apart from apple can get g4 higher than 500mhz. motorola is the only making g4 atm
you can get cheap 400mhz g4 zif for $175 us
this is maybe something along the lines of what bplan might do with a dual
cpu zif module.
http://xlr8.com/ProductInfo/machvelocity/index.php3
designed for 66mhz bus of beige g3 tho
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 61 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 01:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Graham):
>Heh, to get your second G4 CPU, please mail your CPU card to DCE...
Oh no! ;-)
Wait a minute...they had a nice one-hour repair service, maybe I drive by and
get my second G4 soldered on in a few minutes. :-))
>Anyway, I thought that G4 processors cost more than that. A decent (>900MHz)
>G4 is around $200 to $300 isn't it?
An MPC7445-800 is $125 list price (not sure if MOT already ship those). What
does the PPC750CXe-600 cost?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 62 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 02:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (cheesegrate):
>no one apart from apple can get g4 higher than 500mhz.
Bullshit!
Even Mr Hermans said this is untrue (iirc). E.g. look at:
http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7455&nodeId=03M943030450467M98653
They had ~8 orderable PPC yesterday, now there are only 2 left, but still...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 63 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Chris on 25-Apr-2002 02:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Frodon):
you forgot the 10/100 RJ45 Network connector and the IRDA...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 64 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Ceremuga on 25-Apr-2002 03:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
>Bullshit!
so show me where i can buy these g4 zifs higher than 500 mhz for my b&w and beige g3s smartass.. i am upgrading that at the moment and 400mhz g4 is cheapest for bang per buck. don't foget g4 400mhz is twice as fast as 400mhz g3 in some applications. and some of these mac accelerator companies have markets bigger than a1/pegasos so u sound like an ignorant lout to me..
maybe less with mr hermans and more with reality of ppc market.
my dosn't ure outburst look a little less clever now..
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 65 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 25-Apr-2002 03:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (cOrpse):
I play DivX movies on my P2@233...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 66 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 25-Apr-2002 03:22 GMT
so somehow bplan/eyetech will get MPC7440 proc? hopefully, but mac accelerator
companies haven' got them. due to the cpu multipler beige g3 cannot use faster than 500mhz g4 unless you uverclock them. but if cpu supply was there mac hw developers would be selling 600 and 733 g4 zif to mac b&w and yikes g4 users.
they're not because they can't buy these proc as motorola is just supplying apple atm
ibm have made noises about creating a g3 + an altivec compatible fpu so we'll see what happens in the future. esp if this gets integrated into an updated version of the gamecuble.
i don't see anyone using MPC7450 or later other than apple.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 67 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 25-Apr-2002 03:36 GMT
After seeing that "report": LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How low can they get...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 68 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 25-Apr-2002 03:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Adam Ceremuga):
I think company that wants to manufacture G4 based products just need to have a lot of muscle. IIRC Ericsson is buying 1Ghz G4s from Apple.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 69 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 25-Apr-2002 03:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (priest):
aaargh... not from Apple, but from Motorolla, of course.
(embedding them in their UMTS core network servers)
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 70 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Boy Genius on 25-Apr-2002 04:30 GMT
Remember the Common Hardware Reference Platform for the Power PC market that was sunk by lack of Apple provision of an operating system. Both Amiga and PlanB have a chance of revivng that market.Mos or Aos notwithstanding the success of the platforms require versatility in running other OSes for other markets. Linux, even BEos if possible. I'll probably adopt a tower PPC bus solution for Aos and buy a Pegasos MB. Bplan has the better board for my high end music and video applications. The Pegasos looks more like a workstation. The partners of Amiga couldn't pull off a credible MB design for my purposes from the ground up. If I were Hyperion I'd buy a Pegasos and write/adapt software for the platform. Why let personal issues spoil good business. People, for whom computers are an end in themselves, support these wars over an almost insignificant market segment that must be grown for anyone to survive. Users like myself are driven by what the machines can actually do and what peripheral hardware they can interface with. What happened to the Amiga "community"
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 71 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by TriPPon on 25-Apr-2002 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Frodon):
In summary the AmigaOneG3-SE will come with:
o 4 x PCI slots + 1 x AGP slot on 2 buses
Arghhh, only AGP 1x ??
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 72 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 25-Apr-2002 05:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (TriPPon):
Hell!
Only one AGP slot (=1x) but it's double pumbed (2x speed).
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 73 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 25-Apr-2002 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (TriPPon):
Yeah, 1xAGP and 4xPCI. Wow. 132MHz PCI. That's fast. Oh, you mean it's the _number_ of slots? Oh. ;)
Both seems to have one double speed AGP, do correct me if I'm wrong. Whether that is agp2.0 2x or 1.0 2x I do not know...
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 74 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 25-Apr-2002 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anders Kjeldsen):
>Illegal != Morally wrong
Morally wrong != Illegal, is equally true. To me what the MOS team is doing will always be morally wrong. I don't really care if it's illegal, that is insignificant. To me personally, what they are doing carries a foul taste that I would never want to take a bite off. I could not follow something that was born in such immorality. To me, what they are doing was never what the Amiga was about.
But that's just what I think, and no one of you here is going to change my mind about it.
/Björn
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 75 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 25-Apr-2002 06:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Björn Hagström):
Right.
These are your opinions.
I think that an operative system need time to be developed.
Morphos is developed since 3 years, OS4 since 6 months.
Morphos has got developers and betatesters due to the beta versions released during these months. AmigaOS 4 no.
AmigaOne is an hardware project 2 years old based on the work of a company that isn't Eyetech and will use only G3, remember "AMIGAONE WILL BE POWER PC G3 ONLY"
On the other side "BPLAN PEGASOS SUPPORT POWER PC G4".
That's the point why I consider Eyetech and, so, Hyperion immoral.
They are selling an OLD product not capable to use at least the G4.
This is my point of view.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 76 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 25-Apr-2002 06:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Eva):
And you are entitled to your point of view. I just wish that more people accepted that people have their own personal view, without getting personal or all worked up about it (Not directed at you).
/Björn
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 77 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 25-Apr-2002 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Eva):
What makes Hyperion "immoral"? Is it their fault if AmigaOne (One) won't be with G4s?
AmigaOS has been developed for YEARS, not 6 months. They are basing their port on the existing source, even thought many crusial part are being written from scratch. So it probably won't take 3 years to finish.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 78 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 06:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Frodon):
I said I was sorry already, I was just a bit sarcastic, ok? :-)
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 79 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Leif):
I do not hate anyone. I made a sarcastic remark and I also said I was sorry already. Who's attacking who?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 80 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Apr-2002 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Frodon):
"I'm fed up to wait for a new Amiga compatible computer so i'll take the first that come to the market with
an Amiga compatible OS, and if it's not the best i'll buy the other when it's available.
It seems today that the first to come is the Pegasos with MorphOS,
so... "
That's why I bought the Athlon hardware and Amithlon. A fast
new Amiga-compatible computer has been available for the past six
months. I admit it doesn't have AGA.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 81 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Fab1 on 25-Apr-2002 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Amon_Re):
> I play DivX movies on my P2@233...
And i was also rendering 3d scenes on my A1200 - 020/8Mo.
Yet, it's weird, but it really feels faster on my A4000 ppc now. I wonder why.
Come on, try to play a hires divx on your p2, and don't move your mouse pointer :)
If you're satisfied with ~15fps playback and sync-less sound, then keep your p2 indeed. Otherwise you may understand that divx playback really feels smoother on better cpu.
Why don't we have divx players for those old A500 after all, it's a shame.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 82 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 25-Apr-2002 06:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Björn Hagström):
> To me, what they are doing was never what the Amiga was about.
Excuse me, but could you explain why you think Morphos is "morally" wrong? You might have said it a couple of times around here, but I haven't noticed it.
I get the impression that you "really don't GET IT". But please, explain.
Again: Morphos was intending to do what would make any PPC Amiga user a lot more satisfied. To me it seems like Amiga Inc had NO plans what so ever to make a PPC OS for Amiga. I don't think it's morally wrong to enter a marked that has been abandoned for 10 years. That's just morally GREAT.
As I think Frodon said; Would you have been just as much friend with the "law" or your "morale" if MicroSoft bought all rights on Amiga? Either this will prove your "double morale" or it will show your stupidity.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 83 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Amiga Inc's plans for making a PPC AmigaOS has been known for quite some time now, why do you keep hanging on to stuff like that?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 84 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Anders Kjeldsen):

I agree. I mean, why pay 5 million dollars for a brand when you can reverse engineer it and use the brand recognition for free?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 85 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Björn Hagström):
>I could not follow something that was born in such immorality.
Fine. Others can't follow something that's just hot air. So why discuss this any further?
>To me, what they are doing was never what the Amiga was about.
Ok, now that's a reason I accept. I guess to you Amiga is about stagnation and being behind of the rest. Then you really should keep away from MOS.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 86 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by CyberZorro on 25-Apr-2002 08:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Samface):
Who told you it was 5.Mio$? I dont think this is a realistic figure.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 87 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Ruediger Hanke on 25-Apr-2002 08:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Samface):
>Amiga Inc's plans for making a PPC AmigaOS has been known for quite some time
>now, why do you keep hanging on to stuff like that?
Excuse me, *when* in the last 10 years was the point where you could say that the development of a PPC AmigaOS was secured so that keepers of the Spirit of Amiga flame could be sure that an alternate OS project wasn't necessary?
When Jim Collas announced Amiga to become a Linux window manager?
When Tom "Long live Amiga" Schmidt took over and declared every talking fridge to be Amiga?
When Bill and Fleecy bought Amiga and announced it was the end of the line for the classic AmigaOS as "we must move forward [with the DE], not sidewards" (Fleecy's own words)?
When they published OS3.9 as a test whether there would be an audience for an OS4 and named conditions for a development of OS4 (50.000 copies of OS3.9 sold ...) that any sane human being could imagine would never be fulfilled?
When they changed their mind yet once more a year ago in St. Louis and announced AOS4 as their new strategy to be published on Nov 1st? Probably? But as we know since Nov 1st, the project failed. It *failed*. The "new" OS4 is a new project. They maybe had a filesystem and TCP/IP stack from the previous attempt, but that was it.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 88 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Anonymous):
As far as I can tell, noone is ahead of the other as there is no solid proof for anything. There are indications of progress from both sides on different areas and assuming anything is pure speculation and probably only based on what the person *wants* to believe.
Please drop this useless MOS is ahead nonsense.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 89 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Ruediger Hanke):
It all depends on how you look at it. I mean, considering that Amiga Inc actually isn't doing a PPC AmigaOS but allowed a third party to do this tells me that they didn't change their original plan. They still focus on the AmigaDE/AA only and the development of AmigaOS4 is not one of their concerns. What's the problem?
The other stuff you mentioned was the dark age of Amiga and has nothing to do with the current owners.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 90 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 25-Apr-2002 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Samface):
Yes, they're just speculations. And if I may add: COMMON SENSE!
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 91 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 25-Apr-2002 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Samface):
"Quite some while" ? They've had NO spesific GOAL since autumn 2001, the way I see it. No spesifications.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 92 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Apr-2002 09:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Samface):
McEwen and Moss didn't have anything todo with Gateway's Amiga Inc?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 93 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Ruediger Hanke on 25-Apr-2002 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Samface):
>It all depends on how you look at it. I mean, considering that Amiga Inc >actually isn't doing a PPC AmigaOS but allowed a third party to do this tells >me that they didn't change their original plan.
The problem is that if people say the plans for migration of AOS -> PPC are much older than MorphOS, then it does not mean anything if there is actually no development work going on or any licensing given or or or ...
You could just as well say a C64/Plus/4/TRS-80/etc. emulator is morally wrong because one day someone might buy the rights to the name and create an "official" successor.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 94 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 09:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Anders Kjeldsen):
I'm sorry but, there's no way you are going to convince me that speculation is common sense. To me, assuming nothing is common sense.
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 95 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 25-Apr-2002 09:17 GMT
Hello everybody,
Stop this MorphOS VS AmigaOS 4.0 flames please.
Actually we can't compare, AmigaOS 4.0 isn't available. So you can give your opinion on MorphOS if you want (if you have tested it anyway, otherwise it's just speculations) but actually nobody know what is AmigaOS 4.0 and the announced features are not enough, it depends on how they are implemented. So just wait the products to come to the market and then compare objectivily.
Actually we can't say: MorphOS is better or AmigaOS 4.0 is better.
The report was just to see you that MorphOS run and the Pegasos work. AmigaPower have also made a report on AmigaOne running but under Linux. We have never seen AmigaOS 4.0 running for now and be sure that if I or others can go somewhere to see it running and make a report, they will do it.
But until that stop this little war. The only thing that you can compare is the AmigaOne and Pegasos on their hardware, that's all.
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 96 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Anders Kjeldsen):
Yes, they've made specifications and detailed plans for the future of Amiga which only led to misinterpretation, confusion and even more confusion when they had to change some of the details as progress came along. I'm sorry but, I'm glad that they've learned from this and keeps quite and focus on making progress instead.
May I add that there are no specifications for the future of MorphOS either?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 97 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by A2G4 :P on 25-Apr-2002 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Eva):
Think about resources, team size and work already done...and that 6 months isn't quite right either!
AmigaOS4 has internal betatesters and external developers (Contract work).
If I've understood correctly...it has been said that it's quite easy to recompile old programs based on C language and existing AmigaOS API if there's no dirty tricks included in the code (eg. Hardware banging or sh#t like that =)
Ahem...First Lowend...then Highend see TeronPX at www.mai.com that supports lots of different cpus!
2 years old based...Hmmm isn't Pegasos quite old too...Anyway it takes time to develop and test boards from stratch!
So...do you know differences between G3 and G4? I think you should check it out!
I think we should wait and see! ;)
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 98 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 25-Apr-2002 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Samface):
Hello,
There are specifications for the future of MorphOS, just read the website correctly.
Bye
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 99 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 25-Apr-2002 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Samface):
>I agree. I mean, why pay 5 million dollars for a brand when you can
>reverse engineer it and use the brand recognition for free?
Reverse engineer: Can you show me the proof, or is this just a SPECULATION from your side? (oh yeah, even common sense)
5 million dollars; that would be MORE than 50000 copies at the price of $100.. Don't you think it sounds like a risk ?
AFUA visited Thendic-France : Comment 100 of 629ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 25-Apr-2002 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (David Scheibler):
If I remeber it correctly, wasn't Fleecy fired for beeing too innovative or something like that? To me, that's an impressive achievement. I don't know about Bill McEwan's involvement but I do know that alot of people objected to the way Gateway handled things and neither Bill or Fleecy should be blamed for this. Or, do you know something I don't?
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