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[News] New AmigaOS 4.0 ROM Kernal Reference Manuals in the works!ANN.lu
Posted on 24-Apr-2002 16:18 GMT by P Ericson86 comments
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In a recent interview with Hyperion Software, we're told that Olaf "Olsen" Barthel is working on new ROM Kernal Reference Manuals for AmigaOS 4.0! [The "RKRM" books are the official and prime development documentation/tutorial for AmigaOS developers] As some readers of Amiga Network News may already know, Mr Barthel has previously compiled the Amiga Developer's CD.
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Posted by Elwood on 24-Apr-2002 14:38 GMT
Olaf, add the Autodocs in Amigaguide this time ;)
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Posted by catohagen on 24-Apr-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Elwood):
im listening to 'Elwood - Stompin_little_scouts.mp3', your piece of work ?
heard it on Nectarine sceneradio , and dl'ed it after....great tune :)
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Posted by Leif on 24-Apr-2002 16:25 GMT
Even better, html.
And this was in the interview with B Hermans.
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Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 24-Apr-2002 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
Heh, Elwood the scene-musician is a Finnish guy called Jussi Salmela. But maybe Philippe also has musical talent I don't know of. :)
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Posted by Dagon on 24-Apr-2002 17:47 GMT
They should upload it somewhere in html version and a C/C++ compiler for it so to have as many developers as we can :-)
along with that they could distribute it also in CD-Rom with a better compiler dunno maybe StormC/C++ for PPC
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Posted by [JC] on 24-Apr-2002 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Dagon):
I would like to actually see some open variant of the Microsoft .CHM format used for autodocs. This is what's primarily used for most of the Microsoft SDK documentation and it's very flexible and comfortably readable.
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Posted by hweight on 24-Apr-2002 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 ([JC]):
i reckon that PDF could be even better... as it is very easy to print pdfs out. (i prefer the printed word!)
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Posted by Amigan Software on 24-Apr-2002 21:59 GMT
Excellent idea, this is something that has been needed for a very long time. Since a considerable amount has changed since OS2.04. These RKRMs will be useful not only for OS4.x developers, but also for 3.x developers. Will these new RKRMs be published in hardcopy (eg. books), softcopy (eg. ADCD) or a mixture of the two? Will we see a new version of every RKRM (eg. User Interface Style Guide, Hardware Manual, etc.) or just the Libraries & Devices volumes?
But please ignore the suggestion to change the autodoc format into whatever Microfilth uses, the current Amiga autodoc format is fine. Re. the request for AmigaGuide format autodocs, I'm fairly sure there are already AmigaGuide versions of the autodocs on ADCD2.1.
Please can you include a decent ReAction tutorial Olaf? :-)
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Posted by AmiTroll on 24-Apr-2002 23:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amigan Software):
>But please ignore the suggestion to change the autodoc format into whatever Microfilth uses, the current Amiga autodoc format is fine. Re. the request for AmigaGuide format autodocs, I'm fairly sure there are already AmigaGuide versions of the autodocs on ADCD2.1.
True, just like the RKRM's u can click a button in an amigaguide autodoc and not have to sift through a pdf to find the page your looking for. Much MUCH easier to get what you want from amigaguide formatted docs. Please keep them in this format. please please please please please oh god please ;)
>Please can you include a decent ReAction tutorial Olaf? :-)
Yeah, and dos.library as well. I hate that people who want more in depth info on dos need to hunt down an obscure book (even if it rocks) to get it. As well as the fact that Hyperion have made some big changes to dos, we will need better docs on it. The current autodoc is usefull but leaves out a HUGE amount of information that can't be gained anywhere else.
GRUNT
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 04:52 GMT
It would be great if they (Hyperion and Olaf) release a book containing documentation on all the OS4 api's. i.e. not just libraries, dos, exec etc but also warp3d5 (nova), warpinput (or whatever it's going to be called) etc.
They could then bundle this with a cd-rom containing examples and GCC. Would make learning to program for the amiga a lot easier :-)
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 25-Apr-2002 05:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (AmiTroll):
>True, just like the RKRM's u can click a button in an amigaguide autodoc and >not have to sift through a pdf to find the page your looking for.
Maybe I'm just too l33t for you, but my CV is a pdf with clickable links in the index :)
So is almost every pdf I download from the net, except the ones that are actually just a collection of png-format scans from books...
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Posted by smithy on 25-Apr-2002 05:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (AmiTroll):
I agree, PDFs are not suited for containing autodoc information. A developer needs to look something up fast (say the name of a field in a structure), and this is done very easily in HTML or AmigaGuide, whereas PDFs are difficult to navigate. Personally, I like the JavaDoc format.
But it's a moot point for me anyway, since I won't be using OS4.
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 06:00 GMT
We need decent program to create GUIs. I've tried Reactor and that was so buggy!
Something like eeek... Visual Basic / C++, but *better* would be nice!
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Posted by Elwood on 25-Apr-2002 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
You're completely right, the Amiga scene is enough for 2 Elwoods :)
BTW, I tried one time to do music and I stopped very quickly :)
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Posted by kjetil on 25-Apr-2002 06:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
How about not distributing API’s, as the MorphOS composition is big issue,
This will make it extremely hard for all the Amiga programmer to make any program except “hello world”, and this will limit the number of competitors and user on the Amiga platform,
In fact they most release the Autodocs for OS4.0 if any new program where to be released from 3rd party
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Posted by Alex on 25-Apr-2002 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (smithy):
Something JavaDoc like would be good, but I think you and some others here are sort of missing the point on PDF.
PDF has hyperlinks, "clickable" areas, Table of contents (for navigation), searching, forms etc etc. It's true that not everyone chooses to use them, but never the less they're there!
Cheers,
Alex.
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (kjetil):
?
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Posted by Michael on 25-Apr-2002 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Alex):
Another thing is printing the document. If Amiga OS 4 has the same lousy
printing speed as our current OS i surely would prefer PDF's. Then i could print the doc's from the PC at a decent speed. Like another person wrote - I
too like the printet word. I don't give much for onscreen doc's - They are always covering up the screen, making it difficult to follow a description without switching between applications and so tends to confuse more than help.
Ofcourse it would be the ultimate solution to include both AmigaGuide and PDF documentation on the CD. Then we would all be happy :-)
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Posted by Phill on 25-Apr-2002 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Michael):
> I don't give much for onscreen doc's - They are always covering up the screen,
> making it difficult to follow a description without switching between
> applications and so tends to confuse more than help.
onscreen docs are very useful: searching and copy&paste more than make up for any other inconveniences. if you've ever used Visual Studio + MSDN you'll probably wonder how you ever managed to write Amiga software.
Phill
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Posted by Daniel Allsopp on 25-Apr-2002 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Phill):
Yeah, I have been using VC++ and MSDN for a couple of years now, and I'll stick with what I've said all along, that the VC++ environment is simply THE best for development!! Period! Love them or hate them, Microsoft make some good software (apart from their OS). Visual Studio, Microsoft Office... to name two!
I come home from work and program on my Amiga, and it's such a chore to do many things in StormC. It's small things in the VC++ IDE that make it nicer to work with. Like the way it drops down a small list containing all of the members of your structure you're currently accessing with . or ->, and the ClassView with all of your variables, classes, structures.
Nah, we need VC++ on AOS4.0! :-))
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Posted by Leif on 25-Apr-2002 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (smithy):
Pdf is perfect for printing, but I rather have a
real book to read from in that case. Digitally,
I think AmigaGuide or HTML would be best.
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Posted by Lennart Fridén on 25-Apr-2002 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Leif):
Agreed. HTML should be the best pic as it's not a proprietary format and it has significantly better support for formatting text and pictures than AmigaGuide. In fact, I'd advocate using XHTML as it is more strict than the flawed HTML standards out there.
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Posted by Jon on 25-Apr-2002 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Michael):
PPC should increase the printing speed signifantly. But we don't know if there are updated printing system with OS 4 point 0.
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Posted by IanG on 25-Apr-2002 09:47 GMT
When I'm coding I don't want to wade through some cumbersome program just to read a bit of text for reference. The AmigaGuide docs as supplied on the Dev CD are ideal for the purpose as they are fast to load, fast to use, and to the point.
PDFs are excellent to print from, but are otherwise slow and annoying when you want a quick reference. HTML is completely inapproriate, IMHO, as web browsers tend to be slow and it would encourage people to add pictures, JS effects, etc, which detract from the 99% text-based info which we actually want.
It is probably also worth pointing out that the AmigaGuide docs are auto-generated from a text file format. This eases maintenance. If ppl want other formats, write a tool to convert this text format into HTML, PDF, etc.
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Posted by José on 25-Apr-2002 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (AmiTroll):
"...As well as the fact that Hyperion have made some big changes to dos..."
Hugh? Are you sure where did you got that?
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Posted by José on 25-Apr-2002 09:55 GMT
I also think that printed books are needed.
New AmigaOS 4.0 ROM Kernal Reference Manuals in the works! : Comment 27 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 25-Apr-2002 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (José):
Alas, the market is to small to justify this.
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Posted by John Chandler on 25-Apr-2002 10:07 GMT
This is great news. Hopefully, these will be available in both printed and electronic formats - personally, I prefer printed copies much more convenient but something searchable is always welcome.
John
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 25-Apr-2002 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Lennart Fridén):
Printing on demand isn't that expensive anymore these days.
Certainly not more expensive than licensing a game title.
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Posted by Don Cox on 25-Apr-2002 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Lennart Fridén):
Not so. Once you have a PDF file of your book, the Xerox Docutech
technology allows you to print and bind as few as ten copies at a
reasonable price.
The only problem is finding a company that offers the service, but
they do exist.
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Posted by José on 25-Apr-2002 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Allsopp):
"Love them or hate them, Microsoft make some good software (apart from their OS). Visual Studio, Microsoft Office... to name two! "
Well, with the resources they have, they had to. The only reason why they didn't want to do a better OS was probably cause they didn't wanted too. What sucks is their monopolistic policy, and that's why many people hate them.
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Posted by [JC] on 25-Apr-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amigan Software):
> But please ignore the suggestion to change the autodoc format into whatever
> Microfilth uses, the current Amiga autodoc format is fine.
You're a typical short-sighted Amiga wanker who needs to die.
I have developed for quite a few years on AmigaOS (in 68k assembler), and yes, AmigaGuide was good in it's day, but something better for modern systems is needed. Have you ever even used MSDN ? 0r CHTML based SDK references ? No ? Then shut up.
AmigaGuide does not have embedded pictures. It does not have a good search function. It does not have support for web/file links. There are many things it does not have that modern formats like CHTML and PDF do.
As for PDF, well PDF is cumbersome for development docs, since as this is pretty much what Apple provide thier SDK docs as. I prefer CHTML or plain old HTML - CHTML just has the advantage of being a compound file with an index that is easily searchable.
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Allsopp):
Visual C is cumbersome IMO. GCC, a command line and VIM is all you
need.
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Posted by [JC] on 25-Apr-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
You've obviously never used VC long enough to judge. In a review of Storm3 in Amiga Format (I think it was anyway), even the reviewer admitted MSVC was one of the best development systems available.
Working solely with a command line based compiler becomes tedious for big projects.
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Posted by Casper on 25-Apr-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 ([JC]):
If you like VC++, then you'll love Visual Studio.NET... It's rather buggy though... If anyone's thinking of doing a IDE for any language on Amiga then they should take a long look at VS.NET first.
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
> Visual C is cumbersome IMO. GCC, a command line and VIM is all you
need.
You are being sarcastic right?
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 ([JC]):
Your post is perhaps the finest example of an illogical
argument I have ever seen.
You start off with a lovely piece of egocentric logic,
"You've obviously never used VC long enough to judge."
This roughly translates as,
"This person doesn't agree with me therefore he hasn't
used VisualC."
FWIW, I have used VisualC quite extensively and IMO it's
cumbersome.
You continue with a subtly disguised "No True Scotsman" argument.
"[In Amiga Format] even the reviewer admitted MSVC was one of the
best development systems available."
Well, so what? You like it. The StormC reviewer likes. I don't.
You conclude with:
"Working solely with a command line based compiler becomes
tedious for big projects."
How? That is, how is it any more tedious than using an IDE?
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 ([JC]):
Your post is perhaps the finest example of an illogical
argument I have ever seen.
You start off with a lovely piece of egocentric logic,
"You've obviously never used VC long enough to judge."
This roughly translates as,
"This person doesn't agree with me therefore he hasn't
used VisualC."
FWIW, I have used VisualC quite extensively and IMO it's
cumbersome.
You continue with a subtly disguised "No True Scotsman" argument.
"[In Amiga Format] even the reviewer admitted MSVC was one of the
best development systems available."
Well, so what? You like it. The StormC reviewer likes. I don't.
You conclude with:
"Working solely with a command line based compiler becomes
tedious for big projects."
How? That is, how is it any more tedious than using an IDE?
New AmigaOS 4.0 ROM Kernal Reference Manuals in the works! : Comment 39 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Errr, No.
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Apr-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amigan Software):
> Excellent idea, this is something that has been needed for a very long time.
> Since a considerable amount has changed since OS2.04. These RKRMs will be
> useful not only for OS4.x developers, but also for 3.x developers. Will these
> new RKRMs be published in hardcopy (eg. books), softcopy (eg. ADCD) or a
> mixture of the two? Will we see a new version of every RKRM (eg. User
> Interface Style Guide, Hardware Manual, etc.) or just the Libraries & Devices
> volumes?
Nothing has been decided yet. It appears that the original publisher still
has some stake in the RKMs. Whether this is true and which consequences this
may have still needs to be determined. I'm all for a hardcopy version. There
are many things you cannot do quite as conveniently with electronic
documentation (the same can be said about printed documentation, too).
> But please ignore the suggestion to change the autodoc format into whatever
> Microfilth uses, the current Amiga autodoc format is fine. Re. the request
> for AmigaGuide format autodocs, I'm fairly sure there are already AmigaGuide
> versions of the autodocs on ADCD2.1.
A better autodoc format wouldn't be such a bad idea. It's hard enough to
compile the text from the autodocs and get the cross-references right. We
don't have the source code to the tools this is done with, so a better
solution for knitting the autodocs into a more manageable format would
be called for.
> Please can you include a decent ReAction tutorial Olaf? :-)
Ick. I didn't really want to go into technical writing any more ;)
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Posted by Olaf Barthel on 25-Apr-2002 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
> It would be great if they (Hyperion and Olaf) release a book containing
> documentation on all the OS4 api's. i.e. not just libraries, dos, exec etc but
> also warp3d5 (nova), warpinput (or whatever it's going to be called) etc.
> They could then bundle this with a cd-rom containing examples and GCC. Would
> make learning to program for the amiga a lot easier :-)
Do you have any idea how large those books already are? The RKM Libs runs to
almost 1100 pages, and the RKM Devs is up to 700 pages already.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 25-Apr-2002 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
For the very experienced programmer maybe, but for a beginner or someone used to another platform and a decent IDE there's no quicker way to put them off. VIM is really powerful once you've got the hang of it, but for the uninitiated it's about as intuitive as balancing on a pinhead.
Seeing the AmigaOS is known for being user friendly, isn't it about time the same was true for its programmers? Even StormC, arguably the best available for the Amiga, is showing its age when compared to other platforms.
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Posted by anon on 25-Apr-2002 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
If you say so. You are the lawyer here.
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Posted by anon on 25-Apr-2002 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Olaf Barthel):
But Ben said printing on demand is cheaper than licensing a game title. Where is the problem Olaf? :)
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Posted by kjetil on 25-Apr-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
> ?
My comments is stand agents relishing every thing at once and to early,
some one or even you, my be on the otter side of the fence just lurking
to get the API structures and every thing AInc has worked at as an
enchantment over the OS3.5,
On the otter hand there is no point having a grate API whit out using it.
*
There my be constructed specify Copyright violation notes to
prevent the API structure to miss used in rip of projects,
like MorphOS and Amiltalon.
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Posted by Olaf Barthel on 25-Apr-2002 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (anon):
> But Ben said printing on demand is cheaper than licensing a game
> title. Where is the problem Olaf? :)
I don't know. When did you last license a game title, and how much
did you have to pay for it? Books than run into >500 pages are not
exactly inexpensive today. Especially if they are made for only a
small market. For example, take "Applied Cryptography", which has
more than 750 pages. If the RKM Devs were set to the same page size,
I would estimate that it came out at 900 pages. Now suppose that,
because the RKM Devs is not a groundbreaking book which sets the
standard for its genre, it probably won't sell 100.000 copies.
Guess how much the RKM Devs would have to cost ("Applied Cryptography"
costs about 55 US$ in the paperback edition). Are you prepared to
fork over 60-80 US$ for that manual? Compare this to the RKM Libs,
which is even larger...
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Posted by JW on 25-Apr-2002 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Lennart Fridén):
Sur the market is too small... And it will continue to be too small as long as there are people around saying it is too small and not providing the documentation to make it grow. Anything Amiga generates so much interest that it takes down network servers, yup... your market is small alright but only cause you never provide anything!
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Posted by Don Cox on 25-Apr-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Olaf Barthel):
They were quite expensive originally.
Serious programmers will pay whatever it costs. At the publishing end,
one prepares a PDF or Postscript file, waits until 10 people have
ordered it (if that turns out to be the minimum), and then has a batch
prepared.
The libraries volume ought to be split in two - it's really too big
already, and I doubt if paper that thin will work in a Docutech.
I wonder if Eyetech might be prepared to handle the actual ordering?
They are geared up for mailing out parcels.
But it all depends on whether Addison-Wesley will allow the RKMs to be
reissued, and who owns the copyright.
"Devices" and "Style Guide" are still in print. Do a search for Amiga
on Amazon.com
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Posted by Jack Perry on 25-Apr-2002 15:30 GMT
I don't see what all the fuss is about, PDF vs. HTML vs. CHTML vs. whatever. Why is everyone acting like Olaf has to pick just one??? A half-decent word processor will export to PDF and HTML, I reckon CHTML wouldn't be too bad, and surely it wouldn't take a very difficuly program to translate those to AmigaGuide or other formats. (...said someone who hasn't written an Amiga program in a looooong time.)
But yeah, disk space is cheap; include all of them on the CD and let the developer decide.
My only request: PLEASE GOD don't make the HTML file one long-a$$ document as H&P did with the AmigaDOS manual. My Amiga 1200 didn't have enough Chip RAM for it; it was slow as heck to load and render, and completely forfeited the biggest advantage of HTML docs IMHO.
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Posted by MadGun68 on 25-Apr-2002 15:56 GMT
I don't really care what format it's in as long as it is easy to navigate, easy/quick to search through and allows me to print portions of it.
I'm suprised someone hasn't said they want it to be just like a Scene mag..
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